Macabre Grimoire

Macabre Grimoire is a podcast of paranormal and mystery exploration. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you’re a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.

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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 18 Live from SiouxperCon 2018 featuring Patrick Doyle from Ghost Mine

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 18 Live from SiouxperCon 2018 featuring Patrick Doyle from Ghost Mine
Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye
Produced by Robert Mehling and
Voice Over by Dave Holly
Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

Patrick Doyle, author of the Edgar Font children’s book series, star of Ghost Mine and film actor.

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[0:26] Macabre Mark chapter 18 I’m your host area so here is my co-host Robert Mehling and Travis Nye and episode about stopping goes in anything,
experiences really crazy experience myself personally that I can’t wait to share with all of you and that he wants me to interpret so I was a kid,
Recording this light at Super kind of different but see where this goes,
my ghost story actually starts at the first siouxpercon which was when I was back at the Ramkota Best Western and I was just starting out as a medium,
and on and I was sharing at 8,
when does Sioux Falls Zombie Walk table and the person who was my partner that day so obviously came around to ghosts and.

[1:46] My house is so hot as I was like,
tell me more cuz I’m just here and then
reach into the closet and there were my clothes were already swinging inside of a closet I was like,
major geek for ghosts.

[2:33] The very first
had just very very first started out so I was very new to all of this and so on,
we set the date and the date several months later and.
I was supposed to come over to her house and can I come by I was going through my recorder or was going to bring I really wanted to help service.
Scary movies.
This is true did is.
I did some research on how to prepare myself for a ghost hunt and what’s a kind of expect on all levels and one of the things was if it’s a negative energy they will do anything that they can.

[3:52] From going to the location and so with.

[4:03] 2nd Branch from UV driving to the location I was going to start to get physically sick your car breaks down on the way to the location you have,
live your dreams that kind of trying to scare you into not going to the location also there’s a chance of getting possessed while you’re on the location like I was so naive so.
I like to distance sessions so what I did this was on so I supposed to be there on Wednesday night,
so on Sunday night in session on her house and see what I can kind of human to know the only information I really had on her house was that her father had passed away so I made assumptions,
tune into her house and the first beer that comes through with this male Spear and I all I hear is leaving and I was like dude I’m just here to check things out,
who you are what’s going on you don’t no big deal.

[5:06] We’re going to get this party started out for you.
But he was just like.
Okay whatever but let’s listen I’m coming over I’m investigating you just tell me a little bit about yourself this is the recorded message,
basically I just visualize the device in my mind’s eye.

[5:45] You just like whatever but I’m not leaving download all this information about him and what is download is basically,
information at 1,
he had a son and daughter ever again.
His words were he fucked up a lot in his life and he doesn’t deserve to cross over,
please no one’s done so much bad in their life that they don’t deserve to cross over it and he was like you don’t understand I fucked up a lot I don’t deserve the crossover.
Okay that’s fine that’s that’s your Visa kind of deal with that I will see you on Wednesday and he was just like we’ll see about that and then that was kind of it,
you made an appoint,
sorry I just I ever wrote the story before you made an appointment with it so he’s just like this appointment so
starting me on work day.
So I get that so I get that information from him and the night before I’m supposed to go to my client’s house to do the cleansing.

[7:08] I have the most fucked-up dream that I have ever had,
that’s a good time standing Barefoot on a dirt road in front of the Cathedral Church here in town that’s going to
there is a demon standing over me leaving with rage and for whatever reason would not let me look at this
physically like even turn my head to like look at what this was so I did the only thing I knew what to do was to go into the church and get a rosary
and the way that the church used to be set up when I was growing up is that,
the basement of the church which are the basement entrance right off the main street there is a chapel and in the back row the chapel there’s like this little basket of rosaries,
the church I go to this basket of rosaries and they have multi colored rosaries in there.
Black or white black or white which is it and then cuz it matter if for whatever reason that meant something to me in my dream,
is like black for ground and or white for Purity and and cleansing so I and I just sent my standing,
and I couldn’t think of it I was like.

[8:27] Over and over again the end then finally the energy dissipated,
and then it was gone and then I wake up and I can still feel this entity standing over me Steven with Ray and I was just like look
I don’t care who you are or what you’re doing here but you will not intimidate me I’m coming to this person I’m coming to the house tomorrow and we will have a conversation and you are not paralyzed,

[9:07] So now I’m kind of like,
I still kind of think it’s her dad right so,
reporter with and I kind of do EVP session and as long as I know I’m not going to get any kind of like good audio my fuck you dude so then I go downstairs she shows her dad passed away,
feeling energy I was and I haven’t told her yet about the dream or any of this experience prior to me coming.
Grumpy old man type of man okay but your parents like her parents got divorced her mom got remarried and,
the skirted indicated to me that he was divorced.
And so was he with your mom at all and she’s like no pictures.

[10:13] Mom and dad still hanging out together post-divorce with her mom’s new husband.
Football games and picnics and party like they’re all BFFs and I’m like it makes no sense they don’t like Okay so.
Hi, but my dream.
Scared because they’re just like that intense and that’s bad and I’m like who do you guys think it is there go.
Maybe it’s Steve.

[10:50] At a point to an sitting on a shelf and I was like here’s where it gets even more crazy.
So Steve was an angry guy.
And this is a real person so we have to keep that in mind that this is this is this is a real situation he wasn’t very happy when he was alive and,
he wasn’t very happy in his marriage and so he went to go see his wife at work and his wife served with divorce papers and since Steve doesn’t deal with conflict very well he ended up shooting and killing his wife and then shooting and killing himself.
And those rashes with the house were in their house now.
So I was like oh well then so what ended up happening is that a friend of theirs this is their relative.
And they didn’t want to keep his ashes in their house because of what he did because it’s.

[12:06] Okay get it whatever sold them as friends decided that will keep them for you not I don’t think fully realizing what they were taking on because.
Counter depth when people are cremated I thought they hang out their energy the last stronger so.

[12:25] Anyways they had his ashes in the house or what are we doing this shit out of Steve,
I never said you’re going through something but you going through all of this is disrupting everybody’s life so you need to work with us on a different plane where you’re not disrupting everybody,
and then I never heard from them after that.
Everything’s okay and their house well my friend she also does the pr for the Zombie Walk So 6 months later.
I hear her on the radio talking about how she has a haunted house and how a friend came over and did some stage started like really excited that I,
that situation so that is my experience with ghosts.
Well I didn’t have my first one,
so before you continue those at the very beginning you said something about like goes to prison stuff like that you said something about like all the different feelings,
so I really like some of the weirdest things I’ve ever done I felt just like driving down the road,
I should be there something bad going to happen like I should not be driving right now and I get that alot and it freaks me out.

[13:55] Like it like stricken fear like you have never felt before and it’s just simply like going home the energy that.
Afternoon or evening that way into the environment around you and sometimes.
You are in the right frame of mind feel like when you get into an alpha stateland like you have different brain waves that your brain gets into you have you have beta which is wake you have Alpha which is a relaxed State the estate of which is sleeping,
which is where you are actually in a dream you’re dreaming,
the exact very very deep sleep and so usually when we’re driving we’re actually very relaxed and it’s when Brenda’s relax States like Alpha is when we can be very sensitive to things around us so when I do the work that I do I make sure I meditate,
before I go into any of my sessions to make sure that I am connecting with a higher vibration because things,
that we can’t see much higher rate than we do and so in order for me,
communicate with spirit I raise my vibration by getting into the alpha and so those feelings that you’re experiencing is probably cuz you’re relaxed enough to be perceptive casually Carolina.

[15:18] I’m home so I was going to drive,
what should we do today someone behind you know what there before I am.
So sure if you wouldn’t mind identifying yourself with a podcast of a boil and I’m probably best known from the Syfy show,
Ghost Mine which is on for a couple season,
thank you for coming,
how do I break a little bit from the story,

[16:25] Yeah no hands because this is a whole new audience,
why we do 30 go in just a little bit of like our background and why we’re in.

[16:43] I want to hear more about you so I wanted to start with you.

[16:50] No pressure.
Yes I would like just like how about everything is there with you like the whole show and tell,
I was just go to the Paranormal side then the number one question and one always likes to ask is like how did you get started in the carnal.
And for me it starts at age at 7 when I came face-to-face with a shadow figure will I now call Sam which stands for shadow of a man.
Thank you,
I mean 7 years old you don’t know anything about the coast it’s like you’re just learning how to tie your shoes so when people say I was 7 years old and I knew all this. No you didn’t you’re playing with toys,
so when I was 7 years old I didn’t know if I knew two things about ghost Scooby-Doo,
and Casper title,
it wasn’t as the last kiss I let myself in afternoon after school lockdown play video games at my parents email.
Coming from the basement which is next to the TV.

[18:13] Afterwhile the noise got a little louder so I went to the door thank you very much sir.
Peppered while I got up to see what the noise was open the door look down the stairs and there’s Sam staring up at me.
No facial features but I can sense that he was smiling.

[18:39] At that point instead of running away I took a step down the stairs and he was no longer smiling.

[18:46] So far about what felt like an eternity which is why I like 5 10 seconds he turned and walked in the basement I didn’t think of anything I just closed the door went back to my video game.

[18:56] First encounter.

[18:58] It didn’t come up in my life until later on when I started hearing other people wet stories.
Shadowland Rancho and that really got me into questioning everything but the girl.

[19:15] Cuz I like to say that there are no stupid questions in the Paranormal cuz we have no answer.

[19:21] And I come over some stupid questions. I have a Blog called what if.
Just crazy out there questions about,
What If ghosts are this what if goes for that what if there’s a ghost I’m seeing a person sitting in that chair right there but no one else is but I’m like user,
what are fewer a ghost to me but no one else has seen I start talking in that one’s going
walking down the street.
Is that was just those I love I’ve been burned and stuff like that by spirits but I’ve never been afraid of them.

[20:13] And I just continue messing up that’s why I continue my goal in the Paranormal field is to.

[20:20] Gay people ask deeper questions and on TV.
So I pass of weird questions not saying that the answer this question is going to give us the answer to everything paranoid stuff I’m asking the weird questions.
So they might spark something in your brain go okay that’s absurd.
How to make sense when you think about that and come up with the questions we will find any.
So are you looking for more I mean it so I like I see like there are some people who investigate paranormal occurrences are gold.
Perspective like if it can be replicated and I can prove it this the ghost but I have the mentality of ghosts are kind of like cats they do what they want when they want it or energy is right I believe that they are still there it’s just.
It’s just not used to want to do it today you know what I mean.
I use the term investigate because it’s common but I hate the term investigate and I hate the term hunting,
imagine do you want to be hunted and investigated as having a conversation like we’re having right now,
I’ve had a kid in my young kid in my paneling today and he was going on his first go son he was asked me all these questions I said.

[21:50] Don’t do anything cuz he’s out do I need to go last year and I have the I have this ghost at my phone I said delete that and just go in have fun have a conversation you already know that the,
we’re going to be dealing with this going to be a little girl.
Do some research figure out maybe when that girl died figure out what was the most popular music at that time where they’re moving movies by was most popular movie,
and don’t have that conversation like you were having fun.
The best evidence of paranormal I just have a voice recorder in my pocket somewhere,
and I’m talking to,
and I feel those are the most amazing.
Encounters I’ve ever experienced most parties involved or relaxed versus being in touch like yeah.
Paranormal dimensions and where you’re doing investigation guy and I see some people huddled in a little ball and asking stupid questions.

[23:06] Are you are you here with us what’s your name don’t stare your device.
I see so many people doing an investigation here they could be right here in front of them they’re sitting there going what’s your name,
yeah they have that,
Ghost Box app on the phone on the other hand and they’re wondering.
Then I order they haven’t seen a K2 meter to when they’re wondering why the K2 meter is going on,
limited equipment.
Voice recorder flashlight the other stuff I gave it to me but it’s.

[24:12] I made a joke wanted all I need is a Fisher-Price logo and is just a little bit,
that people there are people out there rip off the easiest or just a beginner so you got the amateurs with these outrageous priced,
there’s a voice record that shows up on a television show that’s worth 2 bucks and they’re selling it for a hundred hundred twenty bucks,
skip false readings but people are still paying a hundred bucks for this this phone right here right now.
But I always have a voice recorder rolling whenever I go to see.

[25:06] I’m not going there to investigate or I’m just going in there. I check it out early.
Screws or something happen another day.

[25:21] Well then I guess we’re going to level do energy if you wanted to continue the introduction or.
Probably just became a man thank you for that.
I got to pick on you a bit Yeah I deserve it I deserve it all,
so what I’ve been telling specifically why I started paranormal podcasts I have always been a huge fan of like.
When was it when I picked up my,
reading stuff like Chariots of the Gods and like who really built the Sphinx Egypt before the pyramids,
stuff like that I’m super into like lawsuit was Asians and aliens and just all sorts of like the fascinating like the knowledge and everything that’s on the periphery and I grew up in a family that was so that really helps dry.

[26:21] No I’m also like a Twilight Zone not and but I love like the real like I love I’m very shy project very skeptical,
real so hard because I really want to find that like piece of magic in the universe out there but I’m like,
and he’s a magician.

[26:48] Yeah I just want to find that like real piece magic but I don’t want to be fooled by something along the way so like I interrogate a lot of laughs at you.
So yeah and then I most like I kind of really got back into it recently done much with it for a while but then,
last podcast on the left really got me it was super kick with the the side with the like alien encounters and a paranormal like a history of the people that study the Paranormal which is like just as fascinating as the Paranormal sometimes,
so that’s great podcast super unserious but also like good research along the way,
so yeah I was just like I want to do something like that is like like Coast to Coast AM,
and so this was this is my attempted to that same kind of format and I’m really enjoying it so far I’m actually getting a brush off my history major,
besides as a like placemat for my programming.

[27:56] Yeah so obviously what magician I do exist,
what intrigues me is what you started out saying when the first time you seen Sam it was instead of turning and walking away you walk toward it.

[28:16] What kind of the approach I take with magic I’ve never to my knowledge I probably could have it was totally oblivious to it I don’t know.
However I love recreating those moments without being dead mice.
Start like reading that same thing cuz from you guys experience when people experience that type of thing it’s it can sometimes be pretty emotional.
Can you just like energizing like whoa what hap.

[28:49] That for me is exactly why I do what I do cuz I remember the first time that I seen a magic trick when I was a kid and I got to go up and help a magician at my Elementary School in that first feeling it had like.
What was that like that was my Sam that is what I was excited about Matt’s what I ran towards and then being able to recreate that motion that feeling.
I really can’t get anywhere else in Magic and pretty going to possible for Just A Moment Like that’s why I love what you doing what I do so I’m kind of playing that goes that Spectre whatever was feeling really don’t know where at.
Everything I do has an explanation I have no problem reviewing that to Idaho.
But I love doing this because I love hearing these types of stories that I’ve never heard.
And in my head one that gives me inspiration for possibly new theatrical piece or story to do but one as soon as I do these stories like how can I recreate that on stage live.

[29:44] That’s that’s why I’m a part of this cuz I love your aunt not to argue about it call it fate call it real anything like.
I I I love the mystery behind it and that’s that’s 100% why I do what I do and I love being part of this group here so.
Yeah that’s basically what I do in a nutshell.
Yeah for me I just really really into like the weird and like the crazy too creepy to,
true crime stories on paranormal most specifically I’m a psychic and a medium but I’m also I’m also skeptical of what I do so sometimes.
Whenever I have a situation and like I’m doing a reading I’m always very sometimes,
okay sometimes it feels like bullshit to me but it’s it rings true for them so but.

[30:34] Primarily like I have like those are states is like one of my favorite podcast and that’s on the Nerdist Network and I listen to that constantly and then,
grab ass like hey do you want to be part of a kernel of podcast and I’m like would it be unprofessional to say fuck yes,
like the response on messenger,
do it seems like spiritual people don’t have to be like all holier-than-thou people can swear cuz we’re human too so I was like alright,
that’s kind of why I got involved because I love this topic of BS all of it and then also what I like to do what I do.

[31:26] It’s going to be either prior to a show or wired well you’ve done this on your show is your show still currently why I don’t,
you’re not currently don’t know so what was,
the most impactful experience that you’ve ever had like a bunny.
Shopping in Bozeman that people saw in the air the show that I was on the phone like 2 seconds after,
watching episodes of on the Shelf that’s terrible I have to finish filming they sent us home.
Three months later we see it on TV,
why I’m watching it because of course it’s to camera Crews one tell me the miners one filming us.
Baylor site.

[32:30] You didn’t show that didn’t make the cut but it was so question the one that did air.
Partially air was in the dredge.
Season 2 don’t blend together in the machine that floats in the water.
Scoops the rocks from the from the water process is it inside and kicks out the bad stuff they don’t want out the back.
It was.
When working out the game room one working down in these giant massive gears and then another guy who’s just going to making sure everything is running smooth.

[33:15] How many people died in there so we’re doing investigation in what they called the break area where I knew a guy had a heart attack.
So do an EVP session me and Kristen it was my partner on the show so.

[33:35] I don’t think we have one camera One camera one sound guy and then the person is basically running the show making sure everything is running.
Element crystals got five of us on this honest one area do an EVP session really focus on the u p session.
Above us walking above.

[34:03] Well right here who was that again.
Pum pum pum pum pum even louder is it okay to go take care of this right now at the stairs and look down the hallway and double the size of this room here.
Look around the corner and there’s a guy standing at the end first appearance me so I do this but he stands there staring at me.
I just got to go is there anyone else on this right here there’s a guy up here, down to Chris and going,
are you here Chris and sag do you say you see someone I said.
You stand right in front of me and of course I was going up to like yell at somebody so I wasn’t carrying I wasn’t here to Cameron,
and so they can run upstairs soon as I say that it turns and goes into the wall.

[35:07] Story we came back another time I don’t know if it’s the next day or next week.
We went in there was a thermal Cam that same area sale okay I saw you there.

[35:23] How did your going we saw you there can you make yourself presence known after a while.
Figure shows up on the thermal cam right where it was even though the producer and the cameraman who are filming over me or just one,
your camera’s not on record.

[35:51] When the figure showed up the camera shut off so we can capture.
So how far is that from doing things like that with people who have no idea where literally just there is a camera crew or something like that like are they.

[36:10] It’s every once in a while ago.

[36:16] Ghost mine doesn’t like any other go show it looks like,
African movie.
So everything that he saw was blowing away,
if you listening cuz he’s here and everything.
It’s a little tough camera for the.
You can see mine everyone on TV The Adventures of shirt right there why mines yeah that was even my idea. I got called in to do it,
and by random chance it’s like that whole thing is it’s all about who you know that’s what this was.

[37:23] Syfy had bought the the show from a guy who came up with the show and the production company Syfy own the showhole like completely they bought it just off the premise goes in a mine.
Casting of the miners.
And they had that solidified but they couldn’t find any investigators willing to go into a mine because there’s so many issues can you survive in the wild for long.
Do you mind living in a cabin with no television no internet for 3 months,
do you want to go into a mine where sometimes you’re crawling through a 3-foot by 3-foot hole do you mind being 8000 foot up in elevation a mile deep under her underground for,
powered have time and can you investigate and they were having a hard they couldn’t find anybody,
they went through a whole list of people and I I think they talk to somebody that do we know anybody in my name just got floated out there.
Because I was kind of known as a Wilderness guy and I had a you a very popular YouTube channel at the time called Haunted hoax.

[38:39] So they threw my name out there sci-fi a sassy take with me.
I said okay we like his look at La for a meeting that’s where I met Kristen.

[38:52] And then we get some investigations and he said okay you guys are awesome come on the show.
I saw one episode of Ghost Mine and the episode I saw I like the location you guys had to get to you had to get to it by boat,
and it was,
what the hell is the only,
can’t break the fourth wall. Just me and Kristen the whole time.
I said okay here you go swap and then enjoy your time not like the show but it’s different it was one of them okay okay,
but you got one mind but there’s multiple tunnels.
And just kept going to cuz if the mine has been closed down for 80 some yours and that was a big mystery okay it’s like this if this mine is still producing gold.
Why would it be closed for 80 years so something must be going on that we start hearing stories of the Masons on dedeaux there’s Native American presents here.
May try to open it once but the miners got scared out where is this located Sumpter Oregon outside Baker City.

[40:21] Very small town hit no stop lights,
they used to have to stop signs but drunk driver from the saloon took down one of them I would like to hear a joke that you can lay down,
in the middle of Main Street,
and actually taken get a full night’s rest that I’m getting run over.
So then where are you originally from,
military family bud.
Answering questions.

[41:15] TV change your player.

[41:20] How did being on TV change the way that you approach investigate.

[41:29] Dunkin Donuts.

[41:32] Cuz I investigate on TV I’ve sea the way I do now the great thing about our production team is they let us be us.
And if we had any problems with them directing Us in any way we just tell him no.

[41:49] And they listen to us there are a couple of times swear they wanted me you certain devices I said no I don’t have them use those devices.

[41:57] So they are very cool with us doing that the only way that.
Investigation in the mine has changed my vest gate the way I miss game now was we had to rethink the way we investigate when we investigate a mine.
Because it had never been done before doing an investigation of working gold mine.
The lights there are no lights at the artificial lights play tricks with you when it’s bouncing off these wet rocks we saw so many false shadows and false movement happening just because the way the light down,
annoys it’s inside of a mind it’s amazing you be a mile deep in the earth and you get here diesel truck engine.
Nether portal cuz the sound just travels.
We were told that.

[42:54] Manhattan someone run back and say yes or no other truck running but there’s certain noises that you hear that made no sense.
Carrie pickaxes on Rock if they okay we don’t use pickaxes sing songs in the in the back of the Mind in the morning.
I’m confident you didn’t do this.
Producing you know content for TV show did you ever feel pressured to fabricate anything like pressured by the.
And the reason why is because.
Showing how people fake evidence,
bullshiter and I was very on YouTube,
fishing line and he’s hiding over here so I am perfectly and I show how it’s done.
Scified love that so when it came to your questions like they never asked and I never would because again I.

[44:17] I want the show to be true to the field.

[44:22] And it would have been to service to everybody and everyone watching if we are faking stuff that is just not right.
So so what would be like your percentage of like hit or miss of actually.
Finding something like how often did you actually just go out there not.
I used to get I use the word investigate.

[44:50] Don’t waste all the time and do you have nothing happen that’s why I love I signed on to the show because they said I said it was going to be like,
these popular shows location for 3 months I said that’s awesome because you don’t get evidence stuff all the time during one night or even two nights.
If you’re there for 3 months getting to know the place getting to know the energies in the spirit are there and then getting to know you.
You have a better chance I think you if you watch the show cuz is it linear.
A storytelling we do get more evidence of the show goes on but I believe that’s because we became a part of the place.

[45:31] And we were able to have very going back to communication just have a conversation we have had that dialogue going to the spirits.
Is there a special type of investigation like having,
a relationship with the Spurs are getting heading dreams or information come to you anytime,
cuz I mean you’re there you know I mean it cuz usually when I go into a place and if I’m there long enough like I feel them and I can like.
Can I get like dreams from like these dreams and stuff like that so I never bring anything home.
When I’m on the mound I totally open myself up and that’s when I tender the mine sometimes.
I would feel that connection.

[46:32] And I go in there alone a lot by myself no camera Crews or anything when the first things I did after the miners told me about Tommyknockers.

[46:43] There are spirits that you have to show respect to the time now cuz if you show her them respect they will keep you safe.
So I did a little research I said I saw that one of the ways to respected Tommyknockers was to make them on offering,
of whiskey so I went to the store bought a bottle of Jameson of course.
And just one night just went into deep in the line I just spoke to the spirits I said okay we’re going to be here this drinks just before season 2,
we’re going to be here for another 3 months please keep us safe Globe I just went to this whole Spiel that I brought this bottle for you,
just watch out for so I stuck it it it in the muck.
video Boos.

[47:50] It was just like my offerings,
daddy like from checking in on the present that give you a honey like a present.

[48:10] Cool cars.

[48:16] Is it all these questions I have that I just can’t like think about him.
Dive have some psychic abilities I never call myself,
no one would ever know about and I keep telling him some things.
Cuz you’re talking about driving when I first walked in and now you’re in a certain state.
A certain recent story so much hurt I was in Vancouver BC doing some work and I was just driving and I was coming up to a light.
The two rows I was going to take a right hand turn so the two rows next to me were pack of traffic this was my turn I was pretty clear.
Turns green but I search slow for snow really slow I stopped at the green light soon as I stop by a bicycle.
So if I kept going I would have hit that bicycle if I killed it and I just drove off and I was like.

[49:37] Driving you the hypnosis everyone goes to this when you’re driving me driving down the road and I’ll send you a quote.
Your brain base just took over for a while.

[49:52] So now that the show is over what are you doing now and what’s your plan going forward.
Nick Nolte and me.
I did.
Budget Television Jamaica Radio live television show so you can see me on the 101 Upon a Time iZombie Riverdale and a bit did a bunch of little movies and stuff like that and I replace the main characters.
And then doing a lot of writing and stories or books but I got them out there too so weird.
yep absolutely,
trying to go for something that you’re not comfortable with a zombie on iZombie.
The show Heroes he’s a bunch of stuff very cool.

[51:12] So do we want to wrap up with me telling you about the weird dreams I want to tell you about the weird dream your skill and I tell you what happened in the dream,
as I normally don’t have them like this clear and crisp,
it’s creeping me out even worse how I researched it afterwards from historical standpoint.

[51:37] So I’m in this like weird giant Gothic Cathedral I have never in my entire life,
is it usually at home or at school is where he’d for my dreams take place and Gothic Cathedral there’s a bunch of people like,
family members cousins distant relation stuff like that and stuff like that and everyone is coming up for communion,
except that in order to accept,
Eucharist instead of like a regular,
so I’m walking up I’m walking like with their Brett line of people doing this and what is this is the offering of Saint Bartholomew.

[52:42] And I woke up Bartholomew pool.

[52:47] Bartholomew or the fossil record mule like I’m stuck a donkey.
You’re a fine line here so I don’t know if this dude’s reels,
alright cool that’s where his story is going to blow your mind once we get to feel about church in general.

[53:18] And then how did you feel about the the environment that you were in my.
Is it like emotionally cold distant sterile like.
Who are the members in your family that were there.
A whole bunch of the the romneys were cousins that live in the small town where we live and like a bunch of mine.
Give me your family and stuff like that they’re all like scattered randomly throughout the the church so then how,
account what’s your relationship with these people that were at the church station of the host not being a host actually,
what type of.
It was just like a pretzel.
What’s the greatest snack in American history.

[54:45] Okay so.

[54:50] Indirect wrestling highlights.
Floor and for reference I have never heard of the same,
ever you like when he said that what was your what was your reaction like how did you feel about like.

[55:13] Okay cuz he basically like.
Turn to be dramatically like Guinness strapless when she’s like a turd in my dream.

[55:25] It’s like they always you like astromatic.
I think it would dump jumpy dreamer feel like.
The church or that the people or anything had anything to do with anything,
I think that that was a setup because it was something I needed there was something I feel like reaching out to you and wanting to get your attention to bring your attention to this to spend,
because I think that was the most significant thing because it needed to be normal enough,
for you to be like it’s church I’m with family because you would be going to church with family to be like any special occasion because you know,
whatever is reaching out he was saying okay we’re going to mix it up a bit and we’re going to do communion time which is a normal thing however,
it’s going to be different this Eucharist is going to be different,
to get your attention cuz this is this is what you always go through it’s the priest saying something to you and that’s when you wake me up.
As far as the person in the dream and like what they’re saying on the name.

[56:45] I feel like it was significant enough for them to give that to you because you had to research it and I think it was important that you knew about this so does that help,
it makes the dream much more disturbing.

[56:59] Is one of the 12 apostles he’s not talked about very much in the Bible but the most,
distinguishing thing about him is that he is always depicted in Renaissance art as Legend has it that he was murdered,
by being flayed alive,
that’s so in medieval paintings and sculptures at the Vatican holding a normal a carving knife,
with his face I have a problem.
You’re fine so crazy saying,
carries around his own light. Offspring pretty clear you don’t space.

[58:20] And to talk about this Apostle and I think that there’s more to it that you just haven’t uncovered yet like I feel like there is a but we maybe we need to do a podcast about this guy but there’s possibly something else.
What was his day I don’t know let’s go,
no but yes the Patriots,
the the biggest like distinguishing thing about us for as far as his Beast or festival or whatever,
like on this Greek island or wherever it is they carry around a sculpture of him,
The Village.

[59:30] August 24th what was the what was the last Monday of August.

[59:41] Oh I don’t remember you’re fine.

[59:51] August 27th.
Okay but it’s after the date so I’m super creepy.
I will stay in your car.
Reaching out to you and trying to get your attention and I can happen like things can reach out to you and just.

[1:00:19] What episode of the No Sleep podcast.
I don’t like asking this guy is going to be waiting for me in my car,
damn rolling your face carries the sins of your fam.

[1:00:44] Can you FaceTime me so horny,
are we about time or we were going to do anyway that’s awesome,
tables and stuff.
Ghost with special guest whatever with our special gas.

[1:01:36] I don’t know your name.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 17 Lead Masks Case

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 17 Lead Masks Case

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


“16:30 be at the agreed place.  18:30 swallow capsules, after effect, protect metals wait for mask sign.”

The Lead Masks of Vintém Hill – During August of 1966, the dead bodies of two men were found on a hillside in Brazil. Much of what was discovered at the scene would leave authorities baffled and has never been fully understood. What we are left with is a fifty-year-old mystery known as the lead masks of Vintém Hill.

The year was 1966.  Manoel Pereira da Cruz and Miguel José Viana were friends working as electronic engineers; television repairmen, really, in the town of Campos dos Goytacazes, located in the northern area of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.  It was on August 17th when they left the area, telling their families they needed to buy work supplies and hopped a bus heading southeast to Niterói, more than 3 hours and 160 miles away. On August 20th, 3 full days later, their bodies were discovered lying side by side on Vintém Hill by a young man named Jorge da Costa Alves who had been flying his kite at the time.  They were dressed identically in suits, each wearing trench coat style weather resistant jackets and, covering their eyes, lead masks designed to protect one from exposure to radiation.

Jorge hurried home and alerted the police.  Journalists, their curiosities piqued by the oddity, quickly arrived as well.  Though Pereira da Cruz and Viana’s bodies were partially covered by vegetation, there was no sign of a struggle.  They had no external injuries and the area seemed otherwise undisturbed.

Aside from the way, they were dressed, and the lead masks upon their faces, the police made note of a few other strange items as well.  Next to the bodies lay an empty bottle of water, a packet containing two towels, and a notebook with a bizarre and cryptic message scribbled inside.  Translations from Portuguese vary only slightly but remain perplexing because of the grammatical and spelling errors contained in the note. It read:  “16:30 estar no local determinado. 18:30 ingerir cápsulas, após efeito proteger metais aguardar sinal mascara.” Translated, this means: “16:30 be at the agreed place.  18:30 swallow capsules, after effect, protect metals wait for mask sign.” Though one can make some sense of the message, including the deduction that the bottle of water was used to swallow some strange capsule, it is just incomplete enough to provide one more stumbling block in the way of solving the mystery.  What was the effect they were waiting for? What was the mask sign? And why did they need protection from radiation, to begin with?


In the days that followed, good detective work was able to add a few more pieces to the puzzle.  The shop where they purchased the trench coats was located, and it was discovered as well that they purchased the bottle of water at a bar.  The waitress who served them made mention that Miguel Viana seemed nervous and frequently looked at his watch. Whatever Miguel and Manoel were doing, wherever they were going, one thing seemed certain:  time was of the essence.

Autopsies conducted in the days following the discovery of their bodies, however, did not lend any answers.  There simply was no cause that could be found as to why these men died. The capsules they swallowed may very well have had something to do with this, but we simply do not know.  It should be noted here that toxicological exams; quite normal, particularly in a situation like this, were never conducted. Why? It seems that the coroner’s office was so backed up that the victim’s organs were merely left to rot, more of less making the testing of them useless for traces of poison or other contaminants by the time the coroner got around to the job.

In the years since the tragedy, investigators have proposed several theories in an attempt to explain the events that transpired on Vintém Hill.  One was that the two men were lured to the location by an unknown third party and murdered. Proponents of this idea point to the note, claiming the spelling and grammatical errors were due to the words being dictated by someone else, possibly in an attempt to take advantage of these men’s gullibility in order to rob them.  Acceptance of this scenario requires several assumptions, however, it does seem to be true that the bodies of Pereira da Cruz and Viana were found without any money on their person.

Another contention is that the victims were wannabe time travelers and that they believed they had discovered a wormhole of sorts through which to travel.  Could the impermeable coats and lead masks have been protective gear meant to shield their bodies somehow? If so, why was it necessary to ingest the capsules?

Finally, the most popular belief is that Manoel and Miguel were UFO enthusiasts looking to make contact with extraterrestrial visitors.  This particular belief also has some evidence, albeit anecdotal, to back it up. The victims were both said to be very intrigued by the mysteries of flying saucers, researching them extensively and, it is said, had even built a small laboratory for that very purpose.  Vintém Hill had been something of a UFO hotspot, with strange hovering crafts being seen on a regular occurrence by the townsfolk. Even, some say, on the very day that Manoel Pereira da Cruz and Miguel José Viana made their final climb to the top.

Could this be the “mask sign” they were waiting for; the arrival of an alien spacecraft?  Were the lead masks (which, by the way, these two technicians cut and sculpted themselves in their workshop) designed to protect them from radiation emanating from the ship?  What, then, of the capsules? Or the two towels that were found alongside them? Could they have been using them, as Douglas Adams would write over a dozen years later in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” to wave as a distress signal, or to use for warmth on their interstellar travels?

Whatever it was that happened on that hill, we can be reasonably certain of one thing:  it wasn’t suicide; eerie correlations to the Heaven’s Gate UFO cult mass suicide of 1997 notwithstanding.  The two men had obtained a coupon to return the bottle for a deposit back home, and even their story of needing to buy work supplies checked out:  investigators found newly purchased electrical components among their personal effects. It seems clear they were not expecting this journey to be their last.

Among the facts, anecdotes, and supposition, the simple truth is that we don’t know what happened that day in August 1966 on top of Vintém Hill, and we likely never will.  Author Jacques Vallee, who profiled this case in his book “Confrontations,” wrote that, even years later, grass refused to grow at the location where the bodies were discovered.  Though it seems reasonable to assume that the investigators who worked the scene sprinkled formalin around the area to aid in masking the smell of decomposition and that this likely contaminated the soil, many remain unconvinced.  They believe that something sinister, something perhaps even truly out of this world, was up there that day.


Do more reading and you’ll only see the case gets weirder. These people were into some strange stuff. The Italian Wikipedia article details reports of the same two young men setting up extremely bright, powerful, explosive fireworks. The lead masks must’ve been to shield their eyes from the bright flashes from the fireworks they used. Several days AFTER their death, a UFO sighting sounding vaguely similar to their fireworks was reported. The strangest but most obscure report, though, is that another lead mask death happened 4 years earlier. Flying Saucer Review magazine reported that a man named Hermes Luiz Feitosa was found dead in 1962 around the same exact area with the same exact type of lead mask positioned on his face. According to Wikipedia: “Investigations had revealed that the victim had gone to that place with the specific intent to experiment alleged psychic abilities that would have allowed him to pick up radio and television signals without the use of electronic means, but only through the power of mind”.

If all this is true, this seemed to be some kind of occult thing. If it was a ritual suicide, it might’ve been done with the intention of continuing to live outside of their physical bodies. Accidental death can easily be ruled out if the Hermes Luiz Feitosa case is true. It’s disappointing that there isn’t more information about these spiritualists. Many have suggested they were a part of a group of people attempting to contact aliens.


Lead Masks Case


Machine Transcript
[0:27] Everybody Welcome to McCall grimoire chapter 17 the.
Flip desk.
Oh my gosh I’m your host kind of today are you show here in Cohoes Robert mehling and.
And then the special gas covering for Travis Nye today is Dominic winicki.
This I have not heard of this case I but then,
I feel like I might have you know and I was reading through the nose and everything I was like like it gets weirder and weirder as a story goes on so,
yeah leave it to me to find a weird obscure shed and you know it I tried finding it in my Atlas obscura book and I couldn’t even find anything related to it so I’m like this is like a really deep dive down,
but they did say I’m last podcast on the left my weirdness coming pretty much so.
1630 be at the agreed Place 1830 swallow capsules aftereffect protect Metals wait for mask sign.

[1:52] This is from the note that was found of the two victims of where the center of the mysterious deaths that this case revolves around.

[2:01] Give me to go for it sure sure the LED mask event M Hill.
30 continue during August of 1966 the dead bodies of two men were found on a hillside in Brazil much of what was discovered at the scene would leave authorities baffled and has never been fully understood,
what we are left with is a 50-year old mystery known as the lead masks of Denton Hill.
The year was 1966 Manuel Parra Del Cruz and Miguel Jose Viana were friends working his electronics and Engineers television repairman really in the town of Campos,
Contessa’s located in the northern area of Rio De Janeiro Brazil.
It was on the 17th of August when they left the area telling their family they needed to buy work supplies and hop the bus heading Southeast to the Detroit more than 3 hours and 160 miles away.
On August 20th 3 full days later their bodies were discovered laying by laying side-by-side on ventum hill by young man named Jorge the Costa Alvarez
could have been flying his kite at that time I think that’s so cute she was fine a kite
they were dressed identically in suits each wearing trench coat style weather resistant jackets and covering their eyes LED masks designed to protect one from exposure to radiation.

[3:29] Jorge Jorge hurried home and alerted the police journalist their curiosity speak by the Oddity quickly arrived as well,
the parody Frozen viana’s bodies were partially covered by vegetation there was no sign of a struggle they had no external injuries and the area seemed otherwise
undisturbed aside from the way they were dressed in a LED mask the pain their faces the police made note of a few other strange items as well
next to the bodies lay an empty bottle of water
a packet containing two towels and a notebook with a bizarre and cryptic message scribbled inside translations from the Portuguese
only slightly but remain perplexing because of the grammatical and spelling errors contained in the note it read and I’m going to read this in Portuguese 1630 is starting to local determinado
1830 in Riviera capsulas SE toe protector Arsenal mascara
translated this mean 16:30 be at the agreed Place 1830 swallow capsules aftereffect protect Metals wait for mask sign.

[4:36] So one can make sense of the message including the deduction that the bottle of water was used to swallow some strange capsule it is just in complete enough to provide one more stumbling block in the way of solving the mystery
what was the effect they were waiting for what was the mask sign and why did they need protection from radiation to begin with.

[5:00] And the days that followed good detective work was able to add a few more pieces to the puzzle
the shop where they purchased the trench coats was located and it was discovered as well that they purchased the bottle of water at a bar the waitress who serve them made mention that Miguel Viana seemed nervous and frequently looked at his watch
whatever Miguel and Manuel were doing wherever they were going one thing seems certain time was of the essence could you imagine like two likes.
Shifty guys like you know is that,
I see the bottle of water was probably used to swallow capsules which they probably did that as well as the towels they found on them were they back and they were soaking wet.

[5:47] They were wet oh my God,
she’s okay this is this is interesting sex part does autopsies conducted in the days following the discovery of their bodies however did not lend any answers there simply was no cause that could be found as to why these men died,
the capsules I swallowed my very well have had something to do with this but we simply do not know
it should be noted hear that toxicological exams quite normal particularly in a situation like this were never conducted.
Why it seems like the coroner’s office was so backed up at the victim’s organs were merely left to right,
more of less making the testing of the museless for traces of poison or other contaminants by the time the coroner got around the job what a bunch of pooey.

[6:32] Well you figure if they waited a couple days though
ask her to say the sixties in Brazil they’re not like throwing around a lot of resource you know it’s not CSI Miami they’re not answering it back to the lab analysis body deteriorates pretty damn quickly so.
Right yeah all right,
I’m here since the tragedy investigators have proposed several theories in an attempt to explain the events that transpired on Denton Hill one was that the two men were lured to the location by an unknown third party and murdered
proponents of this idea point to the note claiming the spelling and grammatical errors are due to the words being dictated by someone else possibly in an attempt to take advantage of these men’s availability in order to Rob them
acceptance of the scenario requires several assumptions however it does seem to be true that the bodies of Pereira Delacruz and Viana were found without any money on their person
another contention is that the victims were widely Time Travelers and that they believe they had discovered a wormhole of sorts through which to travel to the impermeable coats and led masks have them have been protective gear meant to Shield their body somehow if so why was it necessary to adjust the capsules
maybe I don’t know what’s up.

[7:50] I did not know what the kids dancers like for choir holy shitload of like mental and logical hoops.
So they got robbed by someone doing the like most elaborate over the top sci-fi oriented Khan in the history of.

[8:23] Betsy finally the most popular belief is that Manuel and Miguel where UFO enthusiasts looking to make contact with extraterrestrial visitors this I believe this particular believe also has some evidence
albeit anecdotal to back it up the victims were both said to be very intrigued by the mysteries of flying saucers researching them extensively
and it is said have even build a small luvoratory for that very purpose
Benton Hill has been something of a UFO Hotspot with strange cover and crafts being seen on a regular occurrence by the townsfolk even some say on the very day that Manuel Pereira de Cruz and Miguel Jose Viana made their final climb to the top
could this mask could this be the mask sign they were waiting for the arrival of it
alien spacecraft where the lead with the LEDs mess which by the way these two technicians cut and sculpted themselves in their workshop designed to protect them from radiation M18 from the ship
what then of a capsules or the two towels that were found alongside them.

[9:22] They’ve been using them as Douglas Adams would write over a dozen years later in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy to wave as a distress signal where he is for warmth and they’re Interstellar travels,
that’s interesting cuz of the towels are wet once you want to be like Snap them make a weapon
does whatever it was that happened on the hill that can be reasonably certain of one thing it wasn’t suicide Erie correlation to the Heaven’s Gate UFO cult mass suicide of 1997 notwithstanding,
the two men had obtained a coupon to return the bottle for deposit back home and even their story of needing to buy work supplies checked out
investigators on newly purchased electrical components among their personal effects it seems clear they were not expecting this journey to be their last.

[10:08] It’s really interesting that they.
I’m worried about the kind of discerning that basically like they had plans after this was to go down like I’m going to I want to get money for these bottles like I have yeah yeah yeah.

[10:23] Suicide you spend it on something.

[10:26] For Honor splurger something you wouldn’t be like well I’ll go by this electrical components I need for my job tomorrow
among the facts anecdote since the position the simple truth is that we don’t know what happened that day on August 1966 on top of them Tim Hill and we likely never will
Arthur Jackson Valley,
Cooper profile this case in his book confrontations wrote that even years later grass refuse to grow the location of the bodies were discovered so it seems reasonable to assume that the investigators who worked the scene sprinkled from
formalin around the area to Aid and masking the smell of decomposition and that this likely contaminated is soil soil,
many remain unconvinced they believe that something sinister perhaps even truly out of this world was up there that day formal is like a form of like what formaldehyde.

[11:18] Yeah yes, I kind of figured do more reading and you’ll only see the case gets weirder these people were into some strange stuff the Italian Wikipedia which I didn’t even know Italy
like I just want to Wikipedia was just like
a worldwide thing and just naturally translated but sorry I missed the article details reports of the same two young men sitting up
setting up extremely bright powerful explosive fireworks the LED mask must have been to Shield their eyes from the bright flashes from the fireworks that use several days after their death a UFO sighting sounding vaguely similar to their fireworks was reported.

[11:56] The strangest but most obscure report though is that another LED bass Depp happened 4 years earlier.

[12:05] Flying Saucer review make is he that’s so funny reported that a man named Herbies Luis Potosi was found dead in 1962 S40 okay
they’re on the exact same area with the exact same type of LED mask positioned on his face according to Wikipedia
investigations had revealed that the victim had gone to that place with specific intent to experiment alleged psychic abilities that would have allowed him to pick up radio and television signals without the use of electronic means but only through the power of the Mind.
If all this is true this seem to be some kind of a cult.
It was a ritual suicide it might have been done with the intention of continuing to live outside of their physical bodies,
accidental death can easily be rolled out of her Hermes Louis Vuitton suitcases true it’s disappointing that there isn’t more information about the spiritualists,
Manny has a definite they were a part of a group of people attempting to contact aliens.
There’s some people who and I don’t know if this is complete speculation I couldn’t find more sources to back it but there was one group I did link to the to the Reddit that was talking about this little bit.
What’s the idea that maybe they were with like the 14th movement.
And 40 answer so we’ll do like a whole episode about at some point give me a brief rundown.

[13:32] Imagine a religion that purposely exists to.

[13:39] White bass control the universe and to make people believe in weird things and.
A specific basically they do things for the laws like invent a language or.
You know will fake like an ancient Egyptian artifact if nothing else just a baffle people they are super fascinating and they like exist throughout history as a movement.
Yeah well like I said we could do a whole episode oh yeah I think it’s the one of the main like guys of it like the most.

[14:14] The most prominent piece of literature that explores it and like their movement to what they think about things which is hard to do say it’s hard to wrap your head around is like.

[14:24] You know understatement of the decade is called the illuminatus.
Are the Illuminati Trilogy if you look for those like through the first novel and I couldn’t get through the the other two cuz he was just so like it was wild like.
You know intelligent Dolphins helping the Illuminati attack Atlantis underwater with like.
Yeah it’s just like a conspiracy theory and just cranks it up this morning,
10 years from now Alex Jones comes out and just be like,
this was all an act and I can’t believe you bought it all good because I wanted to to stabilize the US government just because I can share you know.
Crystal like a 14.
Will like never admit they are a 14 definition is that they don’t it’s.
The perfect there like mission is to perplex you and that and that that’s how they see their like role in the,
it goes way back to like certain ancient Colts and stuff like that but it’s really hard to like pin down if it’s like one continuous thing throw up or what because even if it’s not true.

[15:45] If there’s lots more academics really smart and they’re smart enough to make it be like
feel legit and look legit sources and stuff like that there are out there that none of them have the need to have to service their ego.
Of BF coming out and saying I started this bullshit you know what I mean there’s so many people that want to get credit for things like that.
Yeah I mean we deal with all the time within the film industry that people want their credit they want their attention for like I thought that was my idea that was my thing and that nobody threw out
history of these think it’s more of a recent thing you know I mean I think years upon years ago people.
Did that way of you know getting credit was a lot less you know so I think they could do it and say they didn’t know he’s probably going to believe him anyway.
Yeah Bosley yeah I just.

[16:43] But yeah 40 games are like a we will need on Packer oh yeah yeah this isn’t even.
But yeah this is this is one that was early on on my list of things to cover the Paranormal podcast because.
This one really leaves me scratching my head I’m curious about the capsules that they took because I thought I read somewhere that somebody said it possibly could have been a psychedelic.
Traps that they were trying to take I believe that this guy for years earlier and thought well what was he.
Play into sub will try to.

[17:28] Yeah that’s so and I want to I mean there would have been more reports of people continuing to do this for up a 6 he’s at that specific location right I mean you would think that the.
It’s just interesting that it that it’s the same location or similar.
That’s a good that’s a good truck but that’s a good day.

[18:02] Distill still 3 hours away traveling 40 miles an hour,
they probably were in the sixties and yeah but I’m I’m going to,
my guess is going to lean on the side of underdeveloped.

[18:27] That’s yeah but I said that’s the thing though that I was surprised at that you left out of the beginning like I think should win in the beginning of the article.
Is the fact that they constructed the LED mask themselves like that’s the most fascinating part to me is the fact that they did this so clearly it wasn’t into intense like.
Like we have to make this mess like this their math Buddies the scrap metal that they tore the scrap LED that they took it from was sitting in there they’re shop bees.
During the time that they have left their house is that what that was that’s what I thought that’s okay that’s what I thought that they made it.

[19:10] Rates.
Where did they get these instruction maybe they were looking for aliens they got them from me they were beamed down to him or something.
Understanding of the Portuguese lines which maybe they were just really crazy.

[19:27] Well I mean aliens.
Saying these Doomsday Preppers up.

[19:43] We’re getting to like a level of coincidence coincidence coincidence the point that just came like aliens are becoming more plus.
But yeah it’s it’s a weird one and there is no.
No answer and they’re probably will never be a like definitive answer on what the heck happened to these guys
I hate that there’s no definitive answer I know but I want like some theories you know no I want a good theory.
It would be really more interesting if it had continued like every four years,
what’s a 2 and done because the guy in 62 and now these guys in 66 you think I 66 guys heard about 62 guy and they’re all like that sounds like a really good idea,
maybe we could do a better than him and I know shit this is a bad idea,
that’s all they had to travel back as basically spiritually because their energy their energy beings and they had to travel back so you basically get out of there meat suit.
Big on being some energy and they’re like soaring through the universe right now I like that.
What what movie is there’s a movie up there where the aliens are basically energetic beings.

[21:10] I know but like I remember watching the movie for kids and I remember that.
Finding out that the aliens are just being them energy really bummed me out there like all this work and build up till I get in till I finally like meet the aliens on this and it’s like this light being is like what the fuck this is dumb like why would it be a beating of light.

[21:35] No not contact.
It wasn’t explorers cuz he saw the Explorer you might be Miskin or little bit confusing Close Encounters of the Third.
No I saw that with you I don’t know that but I mean you see the ship open is mostly white true
it was like this this it was like just got scared into done with that part afterwards.
It was really good mashed potatoes the same way again.
Nobody was like they were there on a spaceship in there and they’re meeting the the aliens and it ends up being a being of light that’s almost like it was old windows like the Windows 98 like screensavers and like that like like bouncing around that kind of looks a lot like that
at least that’s how I interpreted it to be there was a good Disney Channel.
Movie or something maybe a Xenon I bet it was I would also Zenon movie.
Beyond oh my God girl of the 21st century I’m looking this up right now.
Girl of the 21st century here we go it starred Raven-Symone,
Holly fulger Stewart pancake Kirsten Storms Kirsten Storms.

[23:04] Kirsten Storms.
Got older strange how that happened Xenon alien alien scene.
Do not aliens feel like what it was is that there was this there was a moon ghost that like they were like
they didn’t know where the moon goes in the native it’s like her name is Luna like dumb name for Moon ghost but.

[23:38] But yeah when called me weird tentacle the alien thing.
It was like a hold of him like a Bama then thinking would like his alien of ends up being like a ghost.
Creature so a creature I don’t know.
Just that’s what that’s what made me think that it’s that you know what the energy beings and the aliens at this took a weird turn.
Tight at first I thought you were thinking the movie Lifeforce which was about space vampires but I don’t think I’m pretty sure you’ve never seen that.
That would be a pretty good assumption that I haven’t seen it but you guys said I’ll check out space for what was it.
The lead actress Mathilda May is naked throughout the entire film yeah why her character is naked throughout the entire movie,
do you see like what do you like boobs and butt or bad she’s not specifically directed by Toby to pair.

[24:44] 85 numbers are hard to.

[24:50] Yeah I’m kind of getting that I see about right there at the center one.

[24:56] Yeah she’s the whole movie she’s making poop Club it’s popo Club.

[25:06] What the hell it’s a really bizarre movie it’s kind of a.
Funny strapped to like some sort of like well it’s kind of they find these aliens on the ship image of it’s a movie poster for this life force film with naked women strap to what look like jet engine like,
Boeing jet engines flying out of a weird alien spacecraft.
Yeah it’s 1985 it was from the Canon film so you know they were little.
Weird things at that time there’s no naps on the poster.

[25:47] But yeah they find them in these like crystals and they bring them back.

[25:51] There’s like two naked dudes and a naked woman but of course you know the dudes are creature interesting.

[26:07] Okay that’s cool so yeah that looks wild the LED masks would not protect you from space vampires,
that much is abundantly clear from our research that we just yeah I don’t be hitting oh my gosh.
That’s so interesting I just yeah yeah that’s only thing I can think of is that they thought that they actually were aliens and they needed to get out of her meet suits.

[26:37] That would make the most sense Little Men In Black character.

[26:44] But what’s the line for the Galaxy is on Orion’s Belt. Yeah.

[26:50] That’s interesting so I guess I got nothing else in this weird dead bodies found in the 60s.
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 16 Mine Ghosts and Spirits

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 16 Mine Ghosts and Spirits

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees



The Knocker, Knacker, Bwca (Welsh), Bucca (Cornish) or Tommyknocker (US) is a mythical creature in Welsh, Cornish and Devon folklore. They are the equivalent of Irish leprechauns and English and Scottish brownies. The Cornish described these creatures as little people who were two feet tall, had big heads, long arms, wrinkled faces, and white whiskers. They wear tiny versions of standard miner’s garb and commit random mischief, such as stealing miners’ unattended tools and food.


In the 1820s, immigrant Welsh miners brought tales of the knockers and their theft of unwatched items and warning knocks to western Pennsylvania, when they gravitated there to work in the mines. Cornish miners, much sought after in the years following the gold and silver rushes, brought them to Colorado, Nevada, and California. When asked if they had relatives who would come to work the mines, the Cornish miners always said something along the lines of “Well, me cousin Jack over in Cornwall wouldst come, could ye pay ’is boat ride”, and so came to be called Cousin Jacks. The Cousin Jacks, as notorious for losing tools as they were for diving out of shafts just before they collapsed, attributed this to their diminutive friends and refused to enter new mines until assured by the management that the knockers were already on duty. Even non-Cornish miners, who worked deep in the earth where the noisy support timbers creaked and groaned, came to believe in the Tommyknockers. The American interpretation of knockers seemed to be more ghostly than elvish.

Belief in the knockers in America remained well into the 20th century. When one large mine closed in 1956 and the owners sealed the entrance, fourth, fifth, and sixth generation Cousin Jacks circulated a petition calling on the mine owners to set the knockers free so that they could move on to other mines. The owners complied. Belief in Nevada persisted amongst its miners as late as the 1930s.


Hungry Ghosts


If you visit the former mining town of Deadwood South Dakota and specifically the famous Boot Hill, one of the things I have always found striking is the number of mass chinese mine worker graves.


So far from home and family to venerate the ancestors, I have always wondered about mines and towns being haunted by those hungry spirits that would be left behind.


Hungry ghost is a concept in Chinese Buddhism and Chinese traditional religion representing beings who are driven by intense emotional needs in an animalistic way. The term 餓鬼 èguǐ, literally “hungry ghost”, is the Chinese translation of the term preta in Buddhism. “Hungry ghosts” play a role in Chinese Buddhism and Taoism as well as in Chinese folk religion. The term is not to be confused with the generic term for “ghost“, guǐ (i.e. the spirit of a deceased ancestor). The understanding is that all people become such a regular ghost when they die,[1] and would then slowly weaken and eventually die a second time.[2][3] Hungry ghosts, by contrast, are a much more exceptional case, and would only occur in very unfortunate circumstances, such as if a whole family were killed or when a family no longer venerated their ancestors.


We should definitely do our own episode just about the ghost festival that communities in China celebrate to feed these lost souls and then return them to hell.


But for now let’s look at some of the manifestations they take.


So the tapestries that depict these things are the most metal thing I’ve seen in quite some time.


There are many folk beliefs and taboos surrounding the Hungry Ghost Festival. Spirits are thought to be dangerous, and can take many forms, including snakes, moths, birds, foxes, wolves, and tigers. Some can even use the guise of a beautiful man or woman to seduce and possess. One story refers to a ghost which takes the form of a pretty girl and seduces a young man until a priest intervenes and sends the spirit back to hell. It is believed that possession can cause illness and/or mental disorders.


Shubin (ghost)

Shubin is the mythological spirit of the mines. The legend of Shubin is distributed mainly in the mining towns of Donbass, a disputed region claimed by Ukraine. In the north, one can hear several legends about the spirit of the mines. The spirit is usually good but can be wicked. There is no single point of view about the etymology of the word. Explanations include: (1) the nickname of a miner, whose soul, according to legend, walks in a fur coat at the bottom of the mine with a torch in his hand and burns the gas (firedamp); (2) the name of the cruel mining master Shubin, who slew workers underground; (3) the sound from methane (Shu-Shu), which often accumulates in the mines.


Bila Koroleva (White Queen). In the beliefs of some miners, the Shubin spirit appears as a female. Once, a miner from the Sverdlovsk region went missing. After a long search, he was finally found in the mine naked. He went mad and was taken to a mental hospital. Then some other miners went mad. All of them told about the “white queen”, a beautiful woman who tried to cheat them, but the miners could not bear her towering beauty and completely lost their reason. People have long mocked these stories and passed by the mental hospital where the miners were treated and said that it was the home of the white kings. Since the white queen has disappeared from the mine but no one can tell exactly when she would come again.


Rob’s Observations:

Mining was dangerous and still is.

Miners are superstitious.

Food and Mental Illness seem to be common threads in the legends across culture.




Macabre Grimoire Chapter 15 Toynbee Tiles

The Toynbee tiles (also called Toynbee plaques) are messages of unknown origin found embedded in the asphalt of streets in about two dozen major cities in the United States and four South American cities. Since the 1980s, several hundred tiles have been discovered. They are generally about the size of an American license plate, but sometimes considerably larger. They contain some variation of the following inscription:

IN MOViE `2001

Toynbee tiles were first photographed in the late 1980s, and their first known reference in the media came in 1994 in The Baltimore Sun. A 1983 letter to The Philadelphia Inquirer referenced a Philadelphia-based campaign with themes similar to those mentioned in the tiles (e.g., resurrecting the dead on Jupiter, Stanley Kubrick, and Arnold J. Toynbee) but did not refer to tiles.

In the United States, tiles have officially been sighted as far west as Kansas City, Missouri, as far north as Boston, Massachusetts, and as far south as Washington, D.C. Since 2002, very few new tiles considered to be the work of the original artist have appeared outside of the immediate Philadelphia area. Many older tiles considered to be the work of the original tiler have been eroded by traffic, but as of 2011 older tiles remain in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; St. Louis, Missouri; Cincinnati and Cleveland, Ohio; and South America, among other locations.

On June 19, 2013, tiles resembling the Toynbee tiles appeared on a street in Topeka, Kansas. They were removed by the evening of the next day. Less than a month later, on July 17, 2013, a tile resembling the Toynbee tiles appeared on a street in Salt Lake City, Utah.

In a documentary film about the tiles, Justin Duerr assumes that “Toynbee” refers to the 20th century British historian Arnold J. Toynbee, and that “Kubrick’s 2001” is a reference to the 1968 film 2001: A Space Odyssey, a film co-written and directed by filmmaker Stanley Kubrick, about a manned mission to Jupiter. The website speculates that Toynbee refers to Ray Bradbury’s short story “The Toynbee Convector”.

The majority of tiles contain text similar to that above, although a second set is often found nearby. Several of these allude to a mass conspiracy between the press (including newspaper magnate John S. Knight of Knight-Ridder), the U.S. government, the USSR (even in tiles seemingly made years after the Soviet Union’s dissolution), and Jews.[citation needed] The writing is of a similar style and poor quality.

A tile that used to be located in Santiago de Chile mentions a street address in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 2624 S. 7th Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The current occupants of the house know nothing about the tiles and are annoyed by people who ask,[16] though this is the former residence of a named recluse and alleged tile-maker, as shown in the 2011 documentary film Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles. Toynbee-tile enthusiasts believe that a native Philadelphian created the Toynbee tiles because of the large number that appears in the city, their apparent age, the variety of carving styles, the presence of the “tile creator’s screed”, and the Philadelphia address on the Santiago tile.

Possible subjects
Arnold J. Toynbee’s “The Idea”
According to letters written by the tiler, allegedly uncovered by Toynbee tile researchers in Philadelphia in 2006, “Toynbee’s idea” stems from a passage in Arnold Toynbee’s book Experiences, pp. 139–142:

“Human nature presents human minds with a puzzle which they have not yet solved and may never succeed in solving, for all that we can tell. The dichotomy of a human being into ‘soul’ and ‘body’ is not a datum of experience. No one has ever been, or ever met, a living human soul without a body… Someone who accepts—as I myself do, taking it on trust—the present-day scientific account of the Universe may find it impossible to believe that a living creature, once dead, can come to life again; but, if he did entertain this belief, he would be thinking more ‘scientifically’ if he thought in the Christian terms of a psychosomatic resurrection than if he thought in the shamanistic terms of a disembodied spirit.”

Ray Bradbury’s “The Toynbee Convector”
Another possible interpretation is that the Toynbee reference comes from the science fiction writer Ray Bradbury’s short story “The Toynbee Convector”, which alludes to Toynbee’s idea that in order to survive, humankind must always rush to meet the future and believe in a better world, and must always aim far beyond what is practically possible, in order to achieve something barely within reach. Thus the message might be that humanity ought to strive to colonize Jupiter—as in Clarke’s work—or something greater, to survive.

Arthur C. Clarke’s “Jupiter V”
Arthur C. Clarke’s short story “Jupiter V” involves a spaceship named the Arnold Toynbee on a mission to Jupiter. It contains elements in common with 2001.

David Mamet’s “4 A.M.”
Playwright David Mamet has spoken of his belief that the tiles are an homage to one of his plays, and has described it as “the weirdest thing that ever happened”. In his 1983 work 4 A.M. (published in the collection Goldberg Street: Short Plays and Monologues in 1985) a radio host based on Larry King impatiently listens to a caller who contends that the movie 2001, based on the writings of Arnold Toynbee, speaks of the plan to reconstitute life on Jupiter. The radio show host quickly points out the factual errors in the caller’s assertion and the logical fallacies of his plan.

Researchers for the 2011 documentary Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles claim to have uncovered several pieces of evidence that predate Mamet’s play, including a 1980 call by the tiler to Larry King’s radio show. They cite a 1983 article in The Philadelphia Inquirer which mentions a local man “contacting talk shows and newspapers to spread the message” about bringing the dead to life on Jupiter, as depicted in the film 2001.



There is no public or private agency dedicated to conserving Toynbee tiles. Many tiles now exist only as photographs taken before their destruction. The tiles have enjoyed attention from American and European media outlets, including from The New York Times, The Chicago Sun-Times, Spiegel Online, and NPR. In 2011, Philadelphia-based filmmakers Justin Duerr, Jon Foy, Colin Smith, and Steve Weinik released Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles, an independent documentary film about the tiles. The film was selected for the 2011 Sundance Film Festival in the U.S. Documentary category, and Foy won the category’s Directing Award.


Toynbee Tiles


Hundredth Monkey Effect


Macabre Grimoire Chapter 15 Toynbee Tiles

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

Machine Transcript

[0:26] Everybody Welcome to mahtab grimoire chapter 15 to 20 tiles and your whole Siri so here is my co-host Robert mehling and.
So the 20 tiles I first heard about these when I was listening to on my favorite episode one of my favorite podcast bizarre States,
and I just think it’s kind of interesting that they did,
the random they’re everywhere and they’ve been going on since the 80s which I think describes a lot of 80s bands.

[0:58] So the toy army tiles also called the toynbee plaques are messages of Unknown Origin found embedded in Asphalt of streets,
in about two dozen major cities in the United States and for South American cities since the 1980s several hundred tiles have been discovered we are generally about the size of an American license plate all those summer considerably larger,
they contain some variation of the following inscription toynbee idea in movie 2001 resurrect dead on planet Jupiter.

[1:30] Which that’s what caught my attention was documentaries and that’s like Resurrect The Dead on planet Jupiter whatever is like the name of the.
Famous documentary they did about this and I was just like what the hell and then I saw the toynbee tile on the cover and I was like what is this and that.
So that documentary kind of open the doors like this this is a thing as Charlie should that’s so weird that’s awesome so the first.
The toynbee tiles were first photographed in the late 1980s and their first known reference in media came in 1994 in the Baltimore Sun.
A 1983 letter to the Philadelphia Inquirer referenced a philadelphia-based campaign with theme similar to those mentioned in the tiles I eat,
resurrecting the dead on Jupiter Stanley Kubrick Arnold J toynbee refer to the tiles.
In the United States the tiles have been officially cited as far west as Kansas City Missouri and as far north as Boston Massachusetts and as far south as Washington DC.
Since 2002 very few new tiles considered to be the work of the original artist of appeared outside the immediate Philadelphia area.
Many older tiles considered to be work of the original Tyler have been eroded by traffic but as of 2011 older tiles were made in Pittsburgh St Louis Cincinnati.

[2:53] Cleveland and in some South America locations on June 19th 2013 the time,
tiles resembling the toynbee tiles up here to the street in Topeka Kansas they were removed by the evening of the next day less than a month later on July 17th 2013 entire resembling the toynbee tiles appeared on A Street in Salt Lake City Utah.
So I can copy cat possibly that’s the vibe I get from the documentary is it there is a lot of copycats that came after this
even Travis when you first heard the idea that for so you sinners like me to put some reason to fault so right yeah,
like immediately that’s everyone.

[3:38] Wish I was special.
Well I will spare our audience and get more of that were commonly a city will have a couple large colorful tiles with numerous small simple tiles.
In a documentary film and like I said this is the documentary that really inspired me with it.
Justin were at work assumes that toynbee refers to the 20th century,
British historian Aaron J twin be in that Kubrick’s 2001 is a reference to the 1968 film 2001 A Space Odyssey a film co-written by and directed by filmmaker Stanley Kubrick,
about a man mission to Jupiter.

[4:19] There’s actually a website for people who speculate about this. I mean obviously very short story between Beacon vector.
Which is something until I researched this episode I have not heard of it I’m a huge Ray Bradbury fan sounds like what will be about here in the,
the show notes although a second set is often found your but several of these allude to a mask conspiracy in the Press including newspaper magnet,
John S Knight of Knight Rider.

[5:02] The US government the USSR even in tiles that are seemingly made after.
Years after the Soviet Union’s disillusion and then its disputed here on the source which this was from Wikipedia claiming that there were a few that were there.
Claimed they were Toya B Tiles at mentioned conspiracies with Jews but I didn’t find any images of those or any other references other than the.

[5:30] The Wikipedia Wikipedia put a citation needed on that show of conspiracy theories so I guess it wouldn’t surprise me but we can’t substantiate it.
The writing is a similar style a poor quality.
Bia. See there was a title of Santiago Chile that mentions a street address in Philadelphia of 2624 South 7th Philadelphia.
Pennsylvania the current occupants of the house know nothing about the tiles and are super annoyed by people who come in the form of.
Resolute recluse and alleged tile-maker who basically the 2001 documentary film Resurrect The Dead The Mystery of the toynbee tiles.
2011 sorry.

[6:32] It’s the only documentary I’ve seen that’s called Resurrect The Dead the mystery solved.
Toynbee tile enthusiasts believe that the native Philadelphia created the toynbee tiles because of a large number of them that appears in the city and the Wither up very with their apparent age and variety of carving Styles the presence of the,
tile Traders Creed and the Philadelphia dress in the Santiago tile so basically.
There’s a lot of evidence pointing to the recluse guy that used to live at that house was the original like progenitor of the toynbee tiles.
So it’s kind of like a a street art thing kind of like a free bansky I mean there’s been other street artist but he still like most famous one that I do not know if that like people who don’t know anything else.
Our exists let’s see I thought this was interesting to me as I was researching it was.

[7:34] All the different theories about where this could have come from because apparently at the toynbee idea has a lot of like.
Speculation and it’s a thing that a lot of people have talked about so it’s like but I had never heard of it so.
Here are some of the possible subjects.
Arnold J toy B’s the idea according to letters written by the Tyler allegedly uncovered by toynbee tile researchers in Philadelphia 2006 Toyota B’s idea stems from a passage in Arnold toynbee’s book.
Call experiences and here’s a quote from the the book that they think this came from.
Human nature presents human Minds with a puzzle which they can have not yet soft and may never succeed in solving for all that we can tell but I caught him if a human being into soul and body,
it’s not,
the datum of experience no one has ever been or ever met a living human soul without a body someone who accepts as I myself do taking into.
Taking in taking it on trust,
the present-day scientific account of the universe may find it impossible to believe that a living creature wants dad can be brought to life again,
but if we did entertain this belief we would be thinking more scientifically if we thought in Christian terms of,
psychosomatic Resurrection then if we thought of shamanistic terms of a disembodied spirit interesting.

[9:04] I have no idea what to make of that so basically he’s saying that if they’re basically he’s saying.

[9:13] If there’s a resurrection if there if there is indeed a Christian Resurrection as the the religion portend so you don’t like that he thinks it will be.
A psychosomatic kind of like.

[9:29] More of a physical science based utilitarian kind of Resurrection then like a magical like a little,
little sparkles will fly out of the sky and this is where the idea stems from this passage in this book passage this idea of,
you no Sabe verse spiritual.
I think I got caught I think when you said that kind of me I was and I was like okay and then I just got lost I was distracted.
It’s quite the quite the chunk there happens to haven’t you whenever like there’s like a word that word in a while,
that I like other night basically getting the golden 8080 demote I’m just like I can fully relax detach from what’s actually happening so I apologize.
Okay this is another theory and it’s a shout out to my boy Ray Bradbury and apparently he is a short story called The toynbee convector.
Here we go another possible interpretation of the.

[10:40] The toynbee reference comes from science fiction writer Ray Bradbury short story The toynbee convector which alludes to Twin Peaks idea that in order to survive mankind must always rush to meet the future,
and believe in a better world I must always am far beyond what is practically possible in order to achieve something barely Within Reach bus the message might be that Humanity ought to strive to colonize Jupiter as in Clarksburg,
or something greater to survive.

[11:10] So basically kind of in that vein of like utilitarian like physical Universe you know don’t look inward look outward and the humanity should constantly put his boundaries.

[11:22] And then Arthur C Clarke which Arthur C Clarke also ties into.
You know he was getting off the other Rider on 2001 A Space Odyssey along with Kubrick Arthur C Clarke’s short story Jupiter 5 involves a spaceship.
Names of the Arnold toynbee on a mission to Jupiter and contains elements common with 2001 2001 itself as a lot about,
you like the obelisks you know bringing people back to life for around Jupiter.

[11:56] This one’s more of a stretch that this is if you’re familiar with the famous playwright David memet he’s play called the 4 a.m. and he kind of like latched onto it and says the toy to be tile thing is totally based on his.
His play because in it he’s bored of his belief is tiles is almost one of his place and it’s described as the weirdest thing that has ever happened in his 1983 work called 4 a.m.
A radio host based on Larry King impatiently listens to a caller who contends that the movie 2001,
A Space Odyssey based on the writings of Arnold toynbee speaks of a plan to reconstitute life on Jupiter,
the radio host quickly points out the factual errors in the colors assertion and logical fallacies of his plan.

[12:45] Now the researchers of the 2000 of the 2011 documentary,
claim to have uncovered several pieces of evidence that predate my Mets play which would kind of shoot a hole in this Theory but I think it’s funny it’s kind of that synchronicity we were talking about,
okay so Arthur C Clarke was talking about this Ray Bradbury was talking about this this is clearly like a like a thing that’s out there amongst futurist spiritualists.
Yeah and then they cite a 1983 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer and which.
Which mentions a local man was contacting all the local talk shows and newspapers to spread the message about bringing life bringing the dead to life on Jupiter as depicted in the film 2001.

[13:44] Which weird day to get that call.
Yeah imagine being being like that although if they’re like in a major city for a talk show they get like probably the weirdest calls anyway.

[13:59] And so here’s here’s a little bit of an aftermath here there is no public or private agency dedicated to conserving toynbee tiles many the tiles now now exist only as photographs taken before their destruction,
but I also enjoy the attention from American and European media Outlets including the New York Times.
Chicago Sun-Times Spiegel online NPR and a 2011 I don’t see a 2001 Smith and Steve Wynn,
when Nicky released resurrected okay yeah.
The documentary the film selected for 2011 Sundance Film Festival the US documentary category and 41 A categories to rectangle rectangle rectangle award on a documentary.

[14:51] Call lighting angles.
You’re not tricking anybody you’re literally interviewing people unless your DirecTV overall project even like.
I don’t get expertise like this is the tomb of Alexander the Great.
Country tag and then mention the bomb.
Oh my gosh yeah what what a weird kind of cool thing but there’s there’s out there but there’s evidence in other.

[15:42] Things within you know our world where if.
Somebody it’s me. There’s like this be certain types of monkeys wear on an island
oh I know what this is called and gave them.
Like if it’s fruit and a buddy toss it into the sand and the monkeys some of the monkeys would just would just eat it with the sand on it but the younger monkeys,
would like wash it off,
in the water and then eventually the older monkey started acting that behavior and they found that that was preferable way.
Yes the symbolic distance effect.

[16:32] So then what ended up happening is that another set of monkeys on a completely different Island far away from these group of monkeys so these two groups of monkeys don’t even like see each other interactive each other whatever but basically it’s the thought that,
it’s the theory that the father is in The Matrix than that.
That grows and you know it spread and so,
and it washing their fruit in the water also and it was just so
completely like interesting that idea was Unleashed right it was everywhere and every member of the species and the thing that he’s the also there was some sheep in.

[17:17] How to say I don’t know Ireland I need Bangladesh through the Bangladesh and
to basically from point A to point B in order to get around the fence they.
But it’s one sheep decided I’m on a roll underneath the fence and get to what I want to get to you and so,
the one she gets out and rolls and then the other sheep in the herd see and do this and so then they start doing other than other heard start doing the same thing to get out of the fencing,
until you know basically get loose until then the other Shepherds had to like you know basically account for that but it’s just it was you know heard that word,
heard that hadn’t even seen the Sheep.

[18:07] Rolling you know we’re adapting this so it’s so yeah it’s it’s kind of an interesting thing so what the toynbee tiles the fact that there was these.

[18:18] Separate themes and similar ideas going on at about I don’t know I wouldn’t say the same time but like it needs to be in the matrix’s so to speak is you know it was very interesting that you can pull all that together,
so I think I think one of something else.
Figure out what this is the rolling sheeper monkeys with Sandy fruit,
do you wash potatoes.

[18:53] I bet is potatoes yeah this is what it is.

[19:01] Monkey washing potatoes. Com hundredth that’s where it is yep but it doesn’t but it basically doesn’t get,
yeah it doesn’t get ground until it gets to like a certain number and then like a certain amount of people actually do it or animals or whatever doing it and then it explodes and it gets,
and it goes everywhere so so just kind of just blew my mind a little bit so I do a routine called hundredth monkey and I never knew why it was called that.
So if you want I can read that first paragraph on the hundredth monkey sure it says the hundredth monkey effect,
effect is a hypothetical phenomenon in which a new Behavior or idea is playing to spread rap.
Unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members in of one group exhibit the new Behavior or acknowledge the new idea one of the primary factors
in the promoter from you glacian,
that’s a word of the story is that many authors quote secondary tertiary or post tertiary sources which have themselves misrepresented the original observation.

[20:08] That’s where it is it’s pretty it’s a pretty cool thing and it happens with basically like all walks of life but yeah it’s kind of cool.

[20:17] So I think that’s kind of what this 20.

[20:20] Is I do believe that there is one source of the inspiration for the twin B tile switch created the tiles of the first place but there’s.
There is a similar Works said this about the same time that kind of contribute to not understanding.

[20:39] Basically.

[20:41] The fuck I can’t I hit I hit my packs of.
And this isn’t just for this toy and be thing this is actually we could do a whole episode about this down the road it just like.

[20:59] The atom bomb is the it’s a big one that pops my right away or it was like there were teams that made the Breakthrough like simultaneously all like three different ones all over at the same time interesting,
that were that made the same breakthrough that made it right,
there’s a bunch of other Technologies were happened at like the exact same time and so it looks like they go to court,
I know everybody just had the same idea even though they were like isolated.
With movies to where it’s like they couldn’t have you know cuz movies take a long time to.
To plant you know jelly put together and plan and everything else so when you have two volcano movies that come out like instantly it’s not always that once that happens,
but lots of times it is just like.
You know deep impact and whatever the other at our Armageddon.
But yeah we did a whole whole episode on similar movies.
And being released about the same time so yeah no it’s yeah so this is kind of what I think some of this is.

[22:24] But yeah but.
It just it says a lot about the energy that is around all of us at all times and that we’re actually all kind of on the same.
Wavelength because like your thoughts are at having energy to it your actions have an energy to it and so the fact that some people that you can tune into those and a different energy wavelength says a lot because it’s free now
is proving its provable but you can’t exactly measure it because it’s so Random cuz it’s like how do I get and I know what.
Am I going to be the hundredth monkey on this particular idea I don’t know you know so yeah that’s what the psychic has to say about that.

[23:05] So yeah that was the toynbee tiles I think they’re super fascinating if it’s still on Netflix you should totally check out that documentary I found it super fascinating.

[23:15] I think that’s it for this week thank you for joining us again and.

[23:20] Yeah have a great week everyone be sure to check out all of our podcast at the Sioux Empire. Com,
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and text me anytime if you want to read and I’ll be doing Gallery events and intuition development.

[23:58] I do release monthly horoscope videos for you to kind of peruse at your leisure and those are always released once a month and then eventually I’ll start having live Facebook events in meditation Mondays in,
all kinds of cool stuff once I get my in-house Studio sap cell,
yeah I have a in-house readings I’m going to be doing and out sorry that was the whole hundredth monkey effect of there
she didn’t steal it so you can follow me at Magic of Travis Nye. Com
that links on my Facebook Instagram stuff like that I’ve kind of abandon my Twitter so don’t get on Twitter to look for me.

[24:50] You can you just not going to do it yeah right so I don’t really use it,
read I never post anything cuz I don’t think I have anything clever enough to say on Twitter supporters really like it,
and and then also for like Live Events it can be,
even in Sioux Falls that actually be pretty good but generally about 80% of the referral traffic like at the Sioux Empire gets his Facebook super super Facebook heavy.
When do you think this episode will drop like a month okay so.

[25:39] Oh well if I don’t know if it’s that time for us to plug our stuff like our day since I have a holistic health fair coming up on November 10th,
the body like a back so if you want to come down and see me in person and I will totally give you a reading I think I’m charging only $25 for that giving a reading.
When can I give you a reading charging $20 I will give you a reading.
So there that’s November 10th and that’s far enough out that I think this episode will be life by then so told you I could represent myself.
Flashback joke well thank you for joining us everyone and we will see you next time.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 14 Peter Madsen The Kickstarter Submarine Murder

Peter Madsen, the Danish submarine inventor at the center of the mysterious death of Swedish freelance journalist Kim Wall, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison for killing and dismembering Wall in a macabre case that has drawn international attention.

Wall’s dismembered body was found off the coast of Copenhagen in August. Prosecutors had said that during a trip on his private submarine, Madsen, 47, bound and sexually assaulted Wall, and either strangled or cut Wall’s throat before severing her body and tossing it into the sea.

Madsen was charged with homicide, dismemberment and the indecent handling of a corpse.

Madsen denied killing Wall but has given differing explanations of how she died, including that she suffered fatal carbon monoxide poisoning inside the craft while he was on deck.

During the trial in Copenhagen, Madsen confessed that he had cut up Wall’s body, saying it was so he could more easily remove her from the submarine and bury her at sea, the AP reported.

“What do you do when you have a large problem? You make it smaller,” Madsen told the court. “I am really, really sorry about what happened.”

In reading the verdict, Judge Anette Burkoe said Madsen’s explanation that Wall had died in an accident was “not credible” and that Madsen had committed murder in a “serious and brutal manner to a randomly chosen woman, who had accepted his offer to go on a trip in the submarine,” according to Sky News.

A three-member panel comprised of Burkoe and two jurors unanimously found Madsen guilty of premeditated murder and sexual assault, the network reported.

CBS News reported that Madsen “stood quietly listening as the judge read out the verdict” in Copenhagen City Court. An attorney for Madsen said he plans to appeal.

Peter Madsen stands inside his submarine in 2008. (Niels Hougaard/Ritzau via AP file)
“This is a very unusual and extremely brutal case which has had tragic consequences for Kim Wall and her relatives,” prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen said in a statement from the Danish prosecution authority when Madsen was charged in January. Denmark does not have the death penalty.

Earlier this week, Buch-Jepsen called the case “so heinous and repulsive that as a prosecutor, it renders you speechless.”

“Of course I’m personally affected by this case,” Buch-Jepsen told the New York Times. “This case has crept under my skin more than other cases.”

Wall’s disappearance and gruesome death drew outrage from around the world. Friends and family say Wall, 30, had reported from Sri Lanka, the Marshall Islands, and North Korea.

Wall boarded the submarine on Aug. 10 to report a story about Madsen, according to her family. Madsen is known in Denmark for raising money through crowdfunding to build rockets and submarines.

She was reported missing the next day. Madsen was rescued from Koge Bay, according to police, after purposely sinking his vessel, a 60-foot UC3 Nautilus.

Prosecutors were seeking a sentence of life in prison for Madsen or, based on the results of a psychiatric evaluation, that he be sent to a mental institution. Prosecutors said the killing was premeditated, but they did not provide a motive.

“The interest in the case has been enormous,” Buch-Jepsen said in his January statement. “However, we hope the media will respect that further evidence in the case must be presented in court and not in the press.”

Madsen was taken into custody Aug. 12 and has since repeatedly altered his account of the circumstances that led to Wall’s death. Before claiming in October that she died of carbon monoxide poisoning, Madsen in August said he dropped Wall offshore in Copenhagen before his submarine sank. He then told a Danish court in September that while giving Wall a tour of his boat, he lost his grip on a 150-pound hatch, which collided with Wall’s skull. He told prosecutors at the time he panicked and gave Wall a “burial at sea.”

“In the shock, I was in, it was the right thing to do,” Madsen told the court, according to Agence France-Presse.

In early October, divers found Wall’s dismembered remains. Wall’s legs were found in plastic bags weighted with metal, according to the Associated Press, and her recovered head showed no signs of fracture — which suggested she had not been struck by a hatch. Another bag contained a knife and Wall’s clothing. Weeks earlier, a naked torso that had been stabbed 15 times was recovered nearby.

A specific cause of death could not be determined from an autopsy of Wall’s remains, the AP reported.


Macabre Grimoire Chapter 14 Peter Madsen The Kickstarter Submarine Murderer

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees



Macabre Grimoire Chapter 13 The Cecil Hotel

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 13 The Cecil Hotel
Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye
Produced by Robert Mehling and
Voice Over by Dave Holly
Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

The Cecil Hotel is a budget hotel in Downtown Los Angeles, opened in 1927. Since 1931, it has gained a reputation for suicides and other violent deaths. Its name has since been changed to “Stay on Main” in an effort to distance itself from its tragic past.

On November 19, 1931, Manhattan Beach resident W. K. Norton, 46, was found dead in his room after ingesting poison capsules. A week prior, Norton had checked into the Cecil under the name “James Willys,” from Chicago. Norton’s death appears to be the earliest known suicide at the hotel but would not be the last.

In September 1932, a maid found Benjamin Dodich, 25, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. He did not leave a suicide note.

In late July 1934, former Army Medical Corps Sgt. Louis D. Borden, 53, was found dead in his room at the Cecil. He had slashed his throat with a razor. Borden left several notes, one of which cited poor health as the reason for his suicide.

In March 1937, Grace E. Magro fell from a ninth story window. Her fall was broken by telephone wires which were wrapped around her body. She later died at the now-demolished Georgia Street Receiving Hospital. Police were unable to determine whether Magro’s death was the result of an accident or suicide.

In January 1938, Marine fireman Roy Thompson, 35, jumped from Cecil’s top floor and was found on the skylight of a neighboring building. He had been staying at the Cecil for several weeks.

In May 1939, Navy officer Erwin C. Neblett, 39, was found dead in his room after ingesting poison.

In January 1940, teacher Dorothy Sceiger, 45, ingested poison while staying at the Cecil and was reported by the Los Angeles Times to be “near death.” No further reports were published about Sceiger’s condition so we are unsure if she survived.

In September 1944, Dorothy Jean Purcell, 19, was sharing a room at the Cecil with shoe salesman Ben Levine, 38. Purcell, who had apparently been unaware that she was pregnant, went into labor. Purcell later testified that she did not want to disrupt a sleeping Levine, so she went to the bathroom where she gave birth to a baby boy. Thinking the baby was dead, Purcell threw him out of the window where he landed on the roof of an adjacent building. Purcell was charged with murder. Three psychiatrists (then known as “alienists”) testified that Purcell was “mentally confused” at the time of the incident. In January 1945, she was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

In November 1947, Robert Smith, 35, died after jumping from one of Cecil’s seventh-floor windows.

On October 22, 1954, San Francisco stationery firm employee Helen Gurnee, 55, jumped from the window of her seventh-floor room and landed on top of Cecil’s marquee. One week prior, she had registered at the hotel under the name “Margaret Brown.”

On February 11, 1962, Julia Frances Moore, 50, jumped from the window of her eighth-floor room and landed in a second-story interior light well. Moore did not leave a suicide note. Among her possessions were a bus ticket from St. Louis, 59 cents in change, and an Illinois bank book showing a balance of $1,800.

On October 12, 1962, Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from the window of her ninth floor room after an argument with her estranged husband Dewey. Dewey had left the room prior to Otton’s suicide. Otton landed on a pedestrian, George Gianinni, 65, killing them both instantly. As there were no witnesses, police initially thought Otton and Gianinni committed suicide together. However, it was soon determined that Gianinni had his hands in his pockets at the time of his death and he was still wearing shoes. Had he jumped, his shoes would have likely fallen off during the fall or upon impact.

On June 4, 1964, a hotel worker discovered “Pigeon Goldie” Osgood, a retired telephone operator, dead in her room. She had been raped, stabbed and beaten and her room was ransacked. Osgood was well known around the area and had earned her nickname because she fed birds in nearby Pershing Square. Near her body was the Los Angeles Dodgers cap she always wore and a paper sack full of birdseed. Hours after her murder, Jacques B. Ehlinger, 29, was seen walking through Pershing Square, the area in which Osgood fed birds, in bloodstained clothing. He was arrested and charged with Osgood’s murder, but was later cleared of the crime. Osgood’s murder remains unsolved.

On December 20, 1975, a still unidentified woman jumped from her twelfth-floor window onto the Cecil’s second-floor roof. She had registered at the hotel on December 16.

On February 19, 2013, the naked body of Elisa Lam, a 21-year-old Canadian student, was found inside one of the water supply tanks on the hotel roof. Lam had gone missing almost three weeks earlier, on January 31, 2013. Her decomposing body was discovered by a maintenance worker in one of the rooftop water tanks, after guests had complained about low water pressure and water that “tasted funny”. Authorities later ruled Lam’s death as an accidental drowning. Video surveillance footage taken from inside an elevator shortly before her disappearance showed Lam acting strangely, pressing multiple elevator buttons, hiding in the corner of the elevator, and waving her arms wildly, causing widespread speculation about the cause of her death. After the elevator video was made public, many theories arose about Lam’s death. Lam was reported to have had bipolar disorder, for which she was prescribed various medications, which could have contributed to her death as well as her strange behavior in the elevator.

Surveillance video from elevator the night Elisa Lam died.

Some people dismiss the video as her being on drugs except while she was bipolar, she had no history of drug use and no drugs were detected during her autopsy.

Lost of people think the horror movie “Black Water” is based on this but it came out in 2005…

Elisa weighed only 121 lbs and was 5.5 ft. Police reports say she would have had to lift the lid off the water tank, and would have needed a ladder to get up there. No ladder was found on the site.

Her cell phone was never found. Even creepier her Tumblr account that she was very active on kept posting images after her death and continued to do so for 6 months. Computer forensic experts think she scheduled the posts before her death but the images and artwork she had scheduled are… Disturbing…

On June 13, 2015, the body of a 28-year-old male was found outside the hotel. Some conjectured he may have committed suicide by jumping from the hotel, though a spokesperson for the county coroner informed the Los Angeles Times that the cause of death had not been determined.

Thus it would appear that there have been at least sixteen deaths at the Cecil, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder. This excludes the 1940 case of Dorothy Sceiger who was reported to be in a critical condition after ingesting poison at the hotel. There is no further reportage as to whether she died as a result.

The Cecil has also been connected with several well-known murders:

Elizabeth Short, a murder victim dubbed by the media as “the Black Dahlia”, is one of Los Angeles’ best known unsolved murders. Short was reportedly seen at the Cecil’s bar in the days shortly before her murder in January 1947. However, this information remains disputed.

The Cecil has been the reported residence for serial killer and satanist Richard Ramirez who is believed to have killed 13 people while he stayed at the hotel in 1985.

Austrian serial killer Jack Unterweger stayed at the Cecil in 1991 and murdered 3 prostitutes during his stay.

The hotel has since been changed to “Stay on Main” in an effort to distance itself from its tragic past. (Start at 34:00 ish)
Elisa Lam, Richard Ramirez, Lots of bad shit.

Surveillance video from elevator the night Elisa Lam died.

Machine Transcript

[0:00] Music.

[0:55] Hey everybody Welcome to my cob grimoire chapter,
13 or talking about the Cecil Hotel I’m your host area show here with my co-host Travis Nye and Robert mehling.

[1:10] Welcome because the Cecil hotel is.
This old hotel that was built in 1919 20s as kind of like a nicer place for people to stay but,
for some reason just awful stuff can’t stop happening here.
We’re talking suicides were talking murders were talking crazy people staying here we’re talking to sterious Jeff a lot of mysterious deaths,
and it’s weird that you have such a chipper tone to your voice weird but it keeps happening I think there was one that happened within this decade so it just,
yeah it’s just kind of crazy how this this hotel is just.

[2:08] I don’t know it’s like dude it was a built on my burial ground was it you know it was it just located in epicenter of just like some bad juju I mean.

[2:19] You can’t is I don’t know it’s just really crazy so I mean there’s I don’t know how many accounts of just.
Tragedy is at this hotel but it’s it’s it’s up there so.

[2:36] I don’t know I really like the fact that this is something that I can read.
Get into it or just the disagrees accounts.
I mean it goes way back the hotel itself was built in 1924.
And it was getting built like very opulently but it.
Got overshadowed very quickly cuz it was like kind of a building boom in that area and so that ain’t became kind of a even though it was built in the like really classy gothic-style it would have been truly be.
You know what the more run-down hotel in the area that kind of discount hotel and then they switched from being like high-end business travelers to being like monthly and weekly rates that we’re really low for rooms at the Cecil.
So just to jump into the ridiculous history of this building here we go.
Family 27 and since 31 it’s gain reputation so I November 1st First Blood.
November 19th 1931 Manhattan Beach resident WK Norton 46 was found dead in his room after ingesting poison capsules a week prior Norton and checked into the Cecil under the name James Willis,
Chicago Jordan’s death appears to be the earliest known suicide of the hotel but it would not be the last.

[4:06] And then do we want to go back and forth and then so you could sell in September 1932,
not even a year after that other suicide a made from Benjamin dotage 25 dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head he did not leave a suicide note.

[4:26] And then you wanted one Travis I got a mean glare she’ll let you do it okay.
In Late July 1934 ferc former Army Medical Corps Sergeant Lewis keyboard in 53 was found dead in his room at the Cecil.

[4:44] She had slashed his throat with a razor board left several notes one of which side of his poor health as a reason for his suicide.
You know.

[4:57] I got a kind of a nice I understand like what why he wanted to do it because poor health I mean that I don’t know how for his health was but like you have to think about who’s going to fucking find you and why the fuck would you slash your throat was an awful way to go so I mean,
just so many thoughts of this anyways,
but suicide people are not the most raft,
you know who’s going to find that he’s going to clean that up so think it’s mostly like depression you know probably more depression than it is actually likes you no health issues but I was kind of like you know it’s a whole bunch of things,
anyways so March 9th in March 1937 Gracie Margo fell from a 9th story window her fall was broken by telephone wires which were wrapped,
around her body she later died at the now-demolished Georgia Street Georgia Street Receiving Hospital police were unable to determine whether Margo’s death was the result of an accident or a suicide and I think that was a
Gang Related one or not mistaken,
cuz it was like back in the day when they were just telephone wires going like all over the place as you basically like,
fell into a web of them and it was hanging over the street for a while and stuff and it just sounds like this is some of the verbal descriptions of it or just nasty sound.

[6:21] Keep in mind we haven’t even gotten out of the goddamn 30s yet so in January of 1938 Marine fireman.
Roy Thompson 35 jump from the Cecil top floor and was found on the Skylight of a neighboring building.
He is he had been staying at the Cecil for several weeks and may 1939 Navy officer Erwin C and neblett 39 was found dead in his room after ingesting poison name neblett.
So in January of 1940 teacher Dorothy C Seeker Geiger Geiger 45 ingested poison while staying at the Cecil and was reported by the Los Angeles Times at be as being near death,
no further reports were published about her condition so we’re unsure if she survived.

[7:12] And September 1944 Dorothy Jean Purcell 19 Wilshire and the room at the Cecil with shoe salesman Ben Levine 38,
Purcell would apparently better wear that she was pregnant went into labor Purcell later testified that she did not want to disrupt a sleeping Lovin so she went to the bathroom where she gave birth to a baby boy thinking that the baby boy was dead for sale
threw him out the window where he landed on the roof of an adjacent building Purcell was charged with murder,
three psychiatrist then known as alienist testified that Purcell was mentally confused at the time of the incident in January of 1945
so about a year or so after that her conviction she was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

[7:59] Which I could totally understand but.
Dedham flinging out the window like people hanging from the telephone I mean Jesus Christ and work,
what folks we are just getting started,
so in November 1947 Robert Smith 35 die by jumping from one of the Cecil 7th Floor windows.
On October 22nd 1954 San Francisco stationary firm employee Helen Journey 55 jump,
from the window of her 7th Floor room and landed on top of Cecil Marquis one week prior she had registered at the hotel under the name of Margaret Brown.

[8:50] On February 11th 1962 Julia Francis Moore 50 jump from the window of her 8th floor room and landed on the Second Story,
interior lighting well or did not leave a suicide know about her possessions were a bus ticket to from St Louis $0.59 and change,
and an Illinois Bank book showing a balance of $1,800.

[9:16] That’s all right on October 12th 1962 next day,
Pauline Otten 27 jump from the window for 9th floor room after an argument with her estranged husband do we do we have left the room prior to Suicide Atlanta a pedestrian Giorgio Armani 65
killing them both instantly as there were no Witnesses police initially thought engine Johnny you always about that,
it committed suicide together however it was soon determined that Gianni had his hands in his pockets at the time of his death and was still wearing shoes had he jumped his shoes would have likely falling off during the fall or upon impact.
Allie would suck you think about,
taking killing the pedestrians beneath,
so yeah we’re not it we’re still in the 60s on June 4th 1960 for a hotel worker.

[10:24] I’m sorry did I feel really bad for the people that work there is just like why they like taking carts around would bring out your dead.
Pigeon Goldie Osgood a retired telephone operator dead in her room she had been raped stabbed.
And beaten and her room was ransacked Osgood was well known around the area and earned her nickname because she fed birds in the air by Pershing Square.
Near her body was the Los Angeles Dodgers cap that she always wore in a paper sack filled with birdseed hours after her murder.
Shakey’s El Jack,
probably Jaques Belanger Shakopee onager 29 machine walking through Pershing Square in the area where Osgood fed birds in blood stain clothing.
He was arrested charged with osgood’s murder but later cleared of the crime Oscars murder remains unsolved how do you get cleared of that crime like.
I want to know what his Alibi was spelled out,
on December 20th 1975 I still unidentified woman jumped from the 12th floor window onto the Cecil second roof floor should registered at the hotel on December 16th.

[11:46] Weird.
On February 19th 2013 okay this is the big one so February 19th 2013 is where Elisa Lam.
Who is like going to be one of the big biggest Stories We Tell from this.
2013 guessing I had new management they forgot to do their annual sacrifice to give you an idea of.
Yeah just did to keep the momentum going here.
Network will come back to her store and got a lot more in-depth on it on June 13th that so this is since,
June 13th 2015 the body of a 28 year old male was found outside the hotel sum conjecture he may have committed suicide by jumping from the hotel though spokesman for the county corner and form Los Angeles Times the cause of death had not been determined.

[12:48] Just it would appear that 16 deaths at the Cecil Hotel resulting from natural causes either the result of suicide accident or murder,
this excludes the 1940 case of Dorothy who was reported in critical condition after the poisoning but there was no reporting on whether she died or not.
Let’s eat let’s take this opportunity now and jump back to Lisa lamb and then and then we’ll fill in the Gap those years where we like oh they’re doing pretty good with all the serial killers Escape 10.
So one thing I do want to say that was all these different killers and death some stuff that happened today.
Show me she hasn’t seen the movie 1408.
Was John Cusack in the haunted hotel okay so that one was actually filmed at look up to the hotel cuz I can’t remember the Hotel Del Coronado on the East Coast,
but then it also said that inspiration from the film came from a couple other East Coast hotels also.
And then some of the true stories came from the West Coast so I’m curious how many of them actually are related to this because I know in that movie you see ghostly figures like falling from Through the Windows.
Slick roads always do anything so I wonder how much that was inspired by the these events.

[14:09] Watch American Horror Story season 5 was filmed in this hotel I think so yes,
that would make sense cuz it totally looks like the CCF I believe it was filmed in the Cecil.
Yeah it was I just had it cuz I’m looking up again it popped up on the Hotel Del Coronado came up.
I’ll find it here but I’m sure.
So on February 19th 2013 the naked body of Elisa Lam probably the most famous victim at the hotel here,
a 21 year old Canadian student was found inside one of the water supply tanks on the roof lamet gone missing almost 3 weeks earlier on January 31st 2013,
her decomposing body was discovered by maintenance a maintenance worker in one of the rooftop water tanks after guests and complain about low water pressure at the water tasted funny I know.

[15:11] I was guessing sorry every time I saw that paragraph.
Video surveillance footage taken from inside the elevator shortly before her disappearance show lamb acting strangely pressing multiple elevator buttons hiding in the corner,
waving her arms wildly causing widespread speculation about the cause of her death,
after the elevator video was made Public public many theories are roses the Lambs death lamb was reported to have had bipolar disorder for which she was prescribed various medications which could have contributed to his death as well as her strange Behavior.

[15:49] Here’s my problem with that is she throwing that out there is I know people who are bipolar and I know people who are on bipolar medication and this is more like,
if this was like what cost at this is more like schizophrenia and bipolar bipolar doesn’t mean I see things chasing me and I jump right buildings
I know people who are bipolar and that aren’t on anything and should be on something and they don’t act that way so just putting that out there.
It looks like they are in season 5 the name of the hotel Cortez.

[16:25] So let’s see the surveillance video from the elevator I’ve got a link here to the surveillance video which you really need to see cuz it’s.
By far one of the all-time creepiest things on the internet especially once you know the backstory it is just goddamn weird folks some people dismiss the video with her being on drugs except.
Are accept while she was bipolar she had no history of drug use and no drugs were detected in her body during the autopsy.
One thing I wanted to point out was that the lots of people think that the horror movie Black Water was based on this,
but that movie actually came out and I didn’t know this cuz I’m a longest time I thought that was or was from the movie itself actually came out in 2005,
this story so basically they made a movie about that happening and then it happened in real life,
so at least the only weighed 121 pounds and was five foot five and a half feet tall should tiny woman police reports say that she would have had to have lifted the lid off the water tank,
I would have needed a ladder to get up there no ladder was found on the site now one thing that.
I did notice when you look at all these pictures and would like to them of the roof of the Cecil and the water tanks is that I don’t know how she would have gotten.

[17:51] I didn’t see a ladder but they’re so like there’s an elevator thing so there stairs to the right hand side of it so she got up on top of the elevator housing,
and then jumps down she could get us gotten onto the water tank that way and then climbed inside and climbed inside.
I mean super fucking weird but technically physically that’s what she could have done to get in there on our own power.

[18:15] Jesus and then this one Urban Explorer guy in La made of it I don’t know if he made a video but I did was reading about that he actually,
wanted to replicate it to see if it was physically possible and he figured out that there was a fire escape on the side of the building that wants you were up above a certain floor made it easy to get up to the roof cuz
one of these things is the rough was locked and had alarms on it if someone went up on there yeah.
So how awesome elevator work so maybe the alarms were,
probably disable just pass also possible and you know I’ve worked in a building to say what one but that had a lot of those security features like if certain doors were open alarms to go off specifically roof access stairways.
Employee used it nine times out of 10 they were intelligent enough to reactivate that alarm.
I’m thinking we’re going to go back up or something in the center don’t so I mean to his countless times that I’ve had emails reports of hey don’t forget to lock the door true.
So you know that’s not that’s a fact or someone left it unlocked and then if somebody died guys really crap I got to go.

[19:31] So I mean.
It is it’s physically possible for her to have gotten up there but it would have been challenging and a little weird for someone to just on the Fly,
if she’s the elevator the elevator screwed up it’s not letting her down to go down the hill to go down to the lobby let’s just say she’s going to she wants down to the lobby she’s pushing his buttons trying to get the elevator to like.
Free think it’s place in life you know so you can close the door so she can let go on with whatever she’s doing so the doors not working she’s like fuck it I’m just going to wander around up here so she finds her way,
up to the top of that access and then maybe it’s Falls in or.
Do you know that’s maybe that’s how it’s a way she could have got in there but it’s,
it’s stretching I’m stretching but it’s like the alternative is like basically Supernatural or,
like its Mega super-predator soup serial killer looks like the stretch logic is actually still a probable options on the table.

[20:37] Better understand that when she standing outside the other day when she starts throwing up all those gang signs
elevators at do that then like she stood outside of it after like.
Is almost like sign language her and fingers are going so quick,
234 like you’re pushing back each finger like she’s maybe she’s counting up like I did this I tried this I did that like she’s kinda like I don’t like taking off the different things that she tried or maybe she’s like making a grocery list
was something you know like to herself possibly I don’t think she was actually talking to anybody.

[21:26] I don’t know but it is weird and that’s that’s like since.
What I thought the first time I thought like oh my God it’s like this ghost but like now that I’ve seen it several years later I’m thinking she had like it 1.0 pretty good like startled jump.
She did but I’m wondering if maybe she just trying to like get something moving like maybe if I dumped her
if I jump off the elevator jump into the elevator and that’s why the doors aren’t closing so she’s just trying different things to get the doors to close.
So it’s weird to us because we were in an elevator we just stand there and expect the doors closed while she tried that and it didn’t work so now she’s trying a bunch of different things.
And all of this still doesn’t explain how she got into the tank.
How she got in the tank and then naked with all her stuff folded and floating next to her Amy she just really wanted to swim.

[22:27] I don’t know I got in there and realized folded by was in the tank with her and she was naked in the tank.
Are water very well could have been shut off she didn’t pay her bills need a place to bathe let’s go to the Rooftop in the water tank you get in there you realize you’re close I could kind of restricting you can I swim with a story because it’s like.
All the like rationalizing it away and trying to explain it but those are like grounded answers.
Sound sounds as fucking ridiculous as
ghost Sierra gas off Venus white caught on a plane Wing from a nearby airport you know.
A Rube Goldberg device of logic and where to make it not go.

[23:21] Must have been it I mean shit cuz it’s like so why was she naked why did she get into the I’m just kinda like okay so we’re doing the stretching logic they have like so she was trying to get down to the ground level,
she panicked Waldo like dancing on his stuff was trying to get the sensors to go off right let her down don’t know much about like
you know she was bipolar but did she have like special needs or something like that that they don’t really talk about the curious what floor she was staying on does it ever say that something I passed through to the 8th floor,
cuz one if the elevator doesn’t work the stairs are locked or whatever where else can I go maybe I’ll take the fire escape down.
If they need to think she would have went down yeah but especially if your submission.
What’s this about but it where is she where she from though.

[24:30] So so she went up instead of down cuz she was exploring so then if I mean if that’s our explanation is that she was exploring then it makes a little more sense cuz part of me was wondering if she’s like.
It’s dark and she’s trying to get she’s like okay I’m trying to get down the stairs were locked or whatever my elevator doesn’t work so I went up the the fire escape and then part of me is almost like.
Wanted to say well maybe she was going with the logic of will if I go up to the roof they’ll be an access door maybe I can get in through there and then like.
I don’t know it still doesn’t really work you know
as you see the tanks maybe she’s like what are these things oh cool is water tank oh cool at the pool this hotel has a pool but maybe she’s like she knows it’s not a purple Water Swimming is saying and then
she takes off her clothes because
I told her I told her very heavy and very restricted when you’re in water like that so she takes them off because she needs to be more free and she just having a blast you know but then she gets tired and now she can’t get out,
because there’s a ladder in that water tank to like actually help you get out it’s just a slippery size her now she’s drowning.

[25:49] That’s maybe what I wonder a little bit was and then maybe she took her clothes off specifically so that she could.
Get out that you could try and swim and get out maybe she just wasn’t a very good swimmer and couldn’t tread water but figuring out how long she was in there to ceased.
I mean you there’s no way anybody could try to water that long cuz I mean really I suppose she could have been in there for like,
48 Hours alive swimming trying to get out
that’s it and if and if her muscle mass is a lot denser she’s just going to sink and so for her to be able to keep herself up above water she’s going to have to tread actively that entire time and I’ll tread on his way to chew like
you’re not going to use as much energy but it still requires energy but.

[26:39] If you’re a dancer muscle mass you’re going to need to work a lot harder to be able to stay above water because we used when I was a lifeguard we used to tread water for hours at a time just to
for like life-saving techniques and stuff like that and a lot of the guards that were denser and muscle mass had a really hard time with the exercise wears like me who had a little bit more fat on her body I could literally just put myself in a vertical position and not do
anything and still be fine
like I could basically I could probably screw survived was Bob in there but like for her she probably she probably couldn’t she.
Had a very difficult time so she probably too tired out then eventually just drown.

[27:23] And my stairs theory of her getting on the roof not every building is the top floor stair access I’ve seen it like second or even third from the top floor to access the roof.

[27:35] Do witches correctly Lysol and case I think so I don’t know I’m still not convinced.

[27:44] Yeah it’s like I mean it’s talking with you guys it’s a little more probable she going to stuff but still it’s just like.
God there are so many like freaking logic and emotional.
Backflips and freaking gymnastics we have to do to make that work but still I mean I guess it’s a good it’s a big working Theory.
Without being there it would hardly be really difficult to buy into.
This you know cuz we don’t know what how it’s laid out I really like the 1408 Theory.

[28:20] I like that alot what’s that the haunted,
if it was an actual murderer I’m going to say the owners of this hotel is like a whole dynasty of just Hotel owners that are actually serial killers that,
shut down the elevator cuz they’re watching the cameras there access dollars to the owner at all ancient Rome scenario of death exactly.

[28:51] So yeah so in other words the plot of season 5 of American Horror Story,
so let’s see which happens to be the director the same owner of the Cecil Hotel he just like we got to tell people how this works cuz I’m so proud of it,
damage make a TV series and season 5 I will tell people how it was done,
so that gets us through possible paranormal deaths accidental death and suicides let’s get let’s dig into the murderers and serial killers just a little bit cuz it be in case you thought we were done with this hotel,
oh no it keeps freaking going so Elizabeth Short murder victim dub by the media the black Delilah is one of those.

[29:36] Dalia not Delilah I read that first two I was like what are you writing about the black one of the one of those,
best known unsolved murders in one of the most famous Los Angeles murders of all time.
Short was reportedly seen at the Cecil bar in the days shortly before her murder in January of 1947 however this information remains disputed okay so she might have been around the bar.
Let’s see it’s been a a the hotel has been the site for several serial to serial killers that we know of,
I and one of them is the legendary serial killer and Satanist Richard Ramirez who is believed to have killed 13 people while he stayed in the hotel in 1985.

[30:28] Riviera’s he’s The Night Stalker is he the is he the vamp the,
l a vampire or see The Night Stalker Hunter remember which which serial killer nicknamed he has last podcast on the left did like really in depth.
You know like for Park episode about him cuz that’s kind of their specialty.
Yeah he’s The Night Stalker here we go yeah this guy is like Beyond fucked and evil just like.

[31:00] Total rape murder slaughter people like,
you know he’s in the he’s in the bait he’s a big league Sky cuz that was in 2013.

[31:18] She was February.
The ghost of the Night Stalker Dead one more one more sacrifice what is B cell lymphoma.
Says it’s just cause of death skin cancer is it.

[31:43] Yeah I did I’m not sure about that but that is a type of cancer of your lymph nodes,
but just briefly touching on Richard Ramirez AKA The Night Stalker.
Let’s see how many did he get 25 at least a drink other people’s blood.

[32:13] Or we just around other people’s blood too much that would be a good thing to find out,
but yeah super super crazy violent guy will will do a little bit of talking about him at some point here we should really check out.

[32:31] The last podcast on the left slide full 3 episode just knock down drag out total like account of his life.
Dark shit on way.
Emmett we’re not done with the serial killers yet because then that we also got to Austrian till the killer who I’m not as familiar with Jack Hunter work.
Who stated the Cecil is she Australian okay I thought was Australia nevermind.
Old school Deadman I am going to Slit your throat,
register his last name sounded almost German but I my wife Australian nevermind.
Just trying to keep you away from knowing.
So yeah in what should come as a surprise to absolutely no one has changed its name to the stay on Main which is an effort to distance itself from its.
Colorful pass everybody fucking knows no.

[33:45] Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles,
and the very first entry that comes up is stay on Main and then pictures of the front of the building,
no they can’t cuz it’s just it’s a historical landmark and so we get a little bit into like.
That cuz I had the building like wondering they’re hiring I’m going to look that up just to see what the demand is for employees there,
and it’ll probably get on with the depressed,
prices and rates and stuff like that if he can get out of run-down area apparently it’s very close to Skid Row so something like.
I want to say they said that as many as 10 yeah here as many as 10,000 homeless people live within a 4-mile radius.
How do you have a 3 star rating though on TripAdvisor.
Nice I mean you’re not doing bad what’s their rank in Los Angeles.

[34:55] But nobody’s ever really talk about ghost in the Cecil they only talk about the event where as the Stanley Hotel everybody talks about his rights with ghost you would think like that has some goes it’s got to be the ghosts are too scared they’re like fuck
this place,
getting out of here you know we just wanted to like scare people make some noises but they’re like drowning people in this place get the fuck out,
how do I go to a better place other than the Cecil.
Yeah I died to get out of the Cecil I can stay here so it doesn’t really seem like they really improved the rooms though one person says,
very creepy no bathroom in the room breakfast tastes like cardboard.

[35:40] Another person says stinks no AC hot as heck in a tiny rooms toddler size bed and a bunch of prostitutes patrolling the hallways.

[35:50] Well so it’s yeah it’s still a hotel on Skid Row,
hair that is really boring lazy Sundays.

[36:04] I don’t want to die today can I stay in your room,
cuz actually I have it on good information from sex work actual sex workers that that is actually a lot of what they do is Hangouts.
Got hang out or even like really really sad stuff like cuddle.
Professional cuddlers I wanted to be a professional like people walk her for a while and I heard about the only people who walk around down to do that too,
give me some interesting people some great stories that’s probably how you become a serial killer but it’s just pretty cool.
I think you become more of Dexter style serial killer with that though cuz you’d be a
give me a serial killer for the good guys because I have to have way too much social interaction daily to be like
Richard Ramirez like drinking human blood and if they,
so Richard Ramirez drink blood right is that what you just said.
I believe so so that’s where he is.

[37:29] Yeah yeah kind of sucks but he couldn’t be put to death because of his crimes but.
Yep that’s the key you don’t want to and I’ll give them what they want tell jobs.

[37:50] Complications due to the Cecil B cell lymphoma but do you think it’s a doctor treating a republic.

[37:59] I have no idea I didn’t become a city Landmark until March 2nd 2017 so it’s it’s fairly new.

[38:10] I wonder if that’s helped it says its stature at all.
Probably not if they don’t even have like bathrooms in the rooms I’m just like Jesus Christ I didn’t think that was still a thing that like American hotels did.
Communal bathrooms instead of oh yeah and to confirm American Horror Story was not actually filmed in there,
but they did recreate to complete floors with a working elevator mirrored after this hotel especially the lobby I’m guessing yes so.
It’s like yeah it I believe it was very painstaking Recreation Recreation.
I asked here’s an interesting fact that is not terrifying the band U2 perform an impromptu live concert on the rooftop of a one-story building on the corner of 7th and Main in downtown Los Angeles,
I’m next door to the Cecil Hotel their performance with the hotel featuring as the backdrop was filmed,
commercially and released as the music video for where the streets have no name.

[39:12] I think it’s wise that they didn’t do it on the Cecil cuz I think they would have damn the belt the band to like some sort of awful.

[39:20] RL outcome for like their success.

[39:24] They just made it that the centerpiece of their occult video that they put out like spread evil across the world.
You too man demonic ass.

[39:40] So yeah that’s the hotel Cecil and I’m not seeing any jobs available there apply in person.
If your balls enough to come in here you’re hired.
you know what just like I have like family that live out in the country and they think of Sioux Falls is like that just being with Shimmer and I’m just like I have no idea and then,
I’m just like this is the kind of place that is in what in real life what parents think.
I wonder why when I first search those Hotel the scene from.

[40:27] The Shining Jack popped up did they use this at all for no no okay,
just I didn’t think so excited never seen any reference between the two but that was
now that the shining is much more based on there’s a real-life Ski Lodge resort kind of place up in Colorado that it’s based on Ever Seen The Shining.

[40:53] It’s a masterpiece I actually own the the digital copy on an Apple so if you can watch it sometime,
nice we could we could do a you do watch party viewing and put that on patreon,
but yeah it’s super duster it’s probably the best horror movie ever made that I think just because it’s like such a it’s got you know the like.
Gross that it’s got some gross out but I mean very very mild where it’s like torture porn but the psychological like Terror from it is just.
Brilliant yeah I have a hard time following any type of like horror story horror film type thing just because I feel like they don’t have that substance to.
Hook me I guess this is this is the cure for that if you want to ever watch that at that fixes that so yeah,
very good movie also check out the American Horror Story Hotel season 5 season 5.

[42:01] But yeah it’s Elisa Lam story has been one that’s like.
Take me out for a very very long time and it’s probably on what my list of like top 5 or top 10 like stories that were like I need to a podcast about missing paranormal and stuff like that.
You’re so goddamn weird yeah.
And we can explain it as something like mundane but it’s just like we will never know you know we’ll never see where a lot of people would think it’s.
Really bizarre behavior but it’s also a bizarre scenario she’s going through like to show the video to somebody who doesn’t know the story he’s trying to do here.
And she like hola obviously she’s doing this and back okay so that’s the logic is if you’re in the elevator not about to be killed.
Everything changes when you know you’re about to die like I want to know but at the same time
we were here all the suicides over the years I’ve just been people who thought they could fly,
best I can do it check this out nope nevermind.

[43:26] Or the other Hotel was just so shity they were like I have to get out of here at some of the bathroom toddler size beds and no heat.
And they’re just like that’s it I’m checking out something that water though it has to be terrible.
Yeah and I want to know like how do I clean the pipes for that where the guests like actually informed that that is what happened at the time.
Like how did they sue I wouldn’t want to know but yeah I got it,
so the people that are probably staying or probably can’t even afford a lawyer or anybody to,
to help them open Erin Brockovich story someone stepped on by everybody
it was it was absolutely cuz of these people start having health problems later on because of their exposure outbreak right not to wear glasses,
is a TB test.

[44:33] So it real man I mean maybe maybe this thing is more than an estimate to like any kind of paranormal dark Forces a testament to what poverty does to people aminated,
they said that was a highly trashed area for prostitutes they were in all the rooms already drinking this water went out on the streets passed around,
I’ll break it TV right there yeah cuz that was my first thought when they were talking about like people getting sick in the area from a.
Yeah Ausable cuz when I got back from Korea I had to be tested for TB even though I I was vaccinated for it so.
And I was vaccinated again because they’re just like you’re exposed sex makes so.

[45:22] I’m passing test consumption a lot of people.
Special Sarah Brown and okay so here’s your thinking for test results came back clean if no drugs or anything like that.
I mean the floating in water for how many days could have diluted that,
and I don’t know how that works like if that would actually rang but that is a theory that some people who I’m not sure our doctors have floated is that it would have diluted any substances that are system.

[45:54] I’m just going to like the tissue would still hold on to.
That although 14 days is a long damn time.

[46:07] Yeah I know this man just weird weird shit.

[46:13] So yeah that concludes this week’s Macabre moire will finishing on weird weird shit in the moral of the story is,
don’t stay at the Cecil Hotel even if it cleverly changes at me it’s named the stay on Main,
and check it out and let them do not stay there,
about try again and salsa ranked as a hostile right now so stay away from hotel hostel.
Here really talking about a dark Play Good Vibes next next chapter.
Richard Ramirez there are unicorns real green children,
I started saying but we’ll make it at this time alright I have a great week everybody.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 12 AATIP, To The Stars Academy, and Tom DeLonge

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 12 AATIP, To The Stars Academy, and Tom DeLonge

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP)


The New York Times Story that exposed the program


Tom DeLonge

Tom DeLonge is the co-founder, President and interim CEO of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science. As President of the company’s subsidiary, To The Stars Inc., since 2015, he was primarily engaged within the entertainment sector. His career spans over two decades, selling over 25 million records worldwide with the bands he co-founded, Blink182 and Angels & Airwaves. Prior to forming the TTS Academy, Mr. DeLonge co-founded Really Likeable People, Inc. (“RLP”), the parent company of international consumer lifestyle brands including Atticus Clothing and Macbeth Footwear, and the technology monetization platform, Modlife. Mr. DeLonge has taken his award-winning creative content that spans music, books, and film and built To The Stars Inc. as a vertically integrated entertainment business that develops, produces and distributes multi-media and merchandise world-wide.


How is he and the academy connected to AATIP?


On December 16, 2017, Tom Delonge’s To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science released two of three UFO videos that are in their “custody” – stating they were officially declassified by the U.S. Government.

It was also announced these videos were part of the secret UFO Research program known as the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program. This existence was based on the testimony of one of the  To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science team member Luis Elizondo. According to the website:

“Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East. Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US Government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management Staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luis’ academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.”

Sounds Crazy, but the list of people backing him is staggering…

Jim Semivan, Vice President Operations.  In 2007, Mr. Semivan founded the consulting firm, JimSem1 LLC, after his retirement as a senior intelligence service member of the Central Intelligence Agency. Since retirement, Mr. Semivan primarily worked as a consultant for the Intelligence Community (IC) on classified topics including IC leadership training, CIA tradecraft training and IC programs for countering weapons of mass destruction. Mr. Semivan retired from the Central Intelligence Agency’s Directorate of Operations after 25 years as an operations officer, both overseas and domestically.

Dr. Hal Puthoff, Vice President Science & Technology.  Since 1985, Dr. Puthoff has served as President and CEO of EarthTech International, Inc. (ETI), and Director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (IASA). He has published numerous papers on electron-beam devices, lasers and space propulsion and has patents issued in the laser, communications, and energy fields. Dr. Puthoff’s professional background spans more than five decades of research at General Electric, Sperry, the National Security Agency, Stanford University and SRI International. Dr. Puthoff regularly advises NASA , the Department of Defense and intelligence communities, corporations and foundations on leading-edge technologies and future technology trends.

Steve Justice, Aerospace Division Director. Steve is the Director of the TTS Academy Aerospace Division, tasked with leading the effort to examine the possibilities of emerging sciences and technologies. This team will work to define advanced systems exploiting radical technologies, prototypes promising concepts, and develop operational systems that shatter conventional thinking. He entered the defense aerospace industry in 1978 after graduating from the Georgia Institute of Technology. After 31 years, Stephen is the recently retired Program Director for Advanced Systems from Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs – better known as the “Skunk Works”.

Luis Elizondo, Director of Global Security & Special Programs.

Machine Transcript
[0:54] Everybody Welcome to Macabre Noir chapter 12 I’m how Siri show here with my co-host Travis and Rob I wanted to sound like I was in that
yeah you did I was really fun we are today we are talking about aliens.
I specifically we’re talking about the the very recently uncovered apparent successor to Project Blue Book,
which if you aren’t familiar it was the very first like legitimate US Government looking at UFOs program,
and ever since Bluebook the US government has been like well we don’t we don’t do that thing anymore we don’t track UFOs we don’t work investigate that that’s bullshit.
So this is one that was recently Declassified and.
The weirdest rabbit hole on this one just gets deeper and deeper as you go so first off the program is called the advanced Aviation threat identification program.
And it was basically exposed via a bunch of Freedom of Information Act requests,
that were put in it turns out and then it would enemies made it into a New York Times Like cover story that was like a very big deal on 2017.
Here’s the deal the organization what’s even weirder is the organization that filed for these Freedom of Information Act requests that blew this whole thing wide open.

[2:21] Is run by the frontman for the band Blink-182 wake me know Travis Travis.
So so today we’re going to explore what do.
The advanced Aviation threat identification program the to the Stars Academy which in itself is like.
A Weird Science supervillain Colt thing we’re going to get into and then,
Tom DeLonge the lead singer for Angels & Airwaves and Blink 182.

[3:00] Sorry I’m sorry you’re so definitely was not me.

[3:08] So let’s see where it where do we begin here Tom DeLonge is the co-founder and interim president and interim CEO of an organization called the to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science,
now this entity in itself is pretty.
Wild it’s just a whole bunch of like scientists researchers Engineers futurist which get futurist in your job site I fucking want that job title anyway.

[3:36] And forget just like yeah really really powerful influential it really is the historian you could be the futurist if history repeats itself so we got to,
yes like how I feel left out.

[3:55] Already planning for tomorrow future Tech.
So anyway this company started in 2015.
He is primarily engaged in the entertainment sector yeah I know shit his career span.
Blink182 Angels & Airwaves.
And that he’s also worked with the really likeable people which was a parent company of an international consumer lifestyle Brands Atticus clothing and Macbeth Footwear some serious business chops.

[4:41] How to make a really good like where are they now story.

[4:46] Where are they now but he’s also like where is there still putting at like like what I have to just put out an album what is he doing.
I’m going to go home and I’m in look up Blink 182 of the state okay,
best album of theirs from the from the mid-to-late 90s when I was a teenager that was like the greatest album ever,
on the dress code the other night with a bunch of musicians about how hot the nurse from the cover of enema enema of the state was back in 1995 or whatever everyone was heard about what’s your favorite album cover of all time and half the musicians in here we’re like,
enema of the state.

[5:33] So yeah it’s it wasn’t it was a big deal he’s a big deal and but normally you think celebrity frontman for a rock band or whatever okay so he put together some money and he’s got this crazy project whatever.
But if you dig deeper into this in addition to like blowing wide open like government conspiracy where they are actually actively investigating UFOs not to mention how weird that UFO footage is in that in which we are posting links to all these videos,
if they released along with the original New York Times article just incredible stuff for you hear the aviators being like what the fuck is that thing you know.
But yeah it was crazy it so it gets even crazier is that.

[6:18] The let’s see what did he call him he’s the head of head intelligence officer for.
This organization is to the Stars Academy is his name is Luis Elizondo and.
Part of how he knew to ask for these videos was that he was the head of This research this Advanced Aviation Group that was in charge of researching it but he was fed up with all the secrecy and stuff like that and how much,
pick up my try to cover stuff up so he left that organization was hired by these guys it’s been sold it
nice centerpiece like one of their heads of technology to give you a little background on.
History according to the art the to the Stars Academy.
Here’s his background his career is it at was us as an intelligence officer was experience includes working in the United States Army the department defense the national counter at teligence executive and the Director of National Intelligence,
as a former special agent in charge was conducted and supervise highly sensitive Espionage and terrorism investigations around the world,
intelligence case officer here and clandestine Source operations through Latin America and the Middle East through the middle of the height of the war on terror,
wow okay most recently Lewis managed security for certain sensitive portfolio the US government as the Director of the national programs for special management staff,
Premier League last day Lewis is also add sensitive Aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial Technologies.

[7:48] Luci’s academic background is in microbiology immunology and Pastor ology,
this is an adventure and holds several patents so basically it’s like okay,
Tom DeLonge you know it’s a pretty talented guy he’s got this guy who’s pretty talented is like holy shit this guy sounds like he could be Tony Stark.
Rayzr I can’t handle it too much crazy,
okay sorry we lost Robert will be back in just a moment. Roberts lost in a 90s SNL whole again.

[8:36] So here here’s a list here’s just some highlights but they had pages and pages of these people who are like I mean I swear to God it the janitor at this place must have like three phds and be like a theoretical physicist are some of the people working there,
there’s Jim semivan.
Who is the Vice President of Operations in 2007 he found a consulting firm called Jim someone that’s very original and after after his retirement as a senior intelligence service member for the Central Intelligence Agency,
so lots of Spooks in this organization primarily work as a consultant for the intelligence community on classified topics,
including leadership training tradecraft countering weapons of mass destruction.

[9:21] He was also retired from the Central Intelligence agencies directorate of operations after 25 years as an operations officer both overseas and domestically.
Okay so that’s that’s a holy shitload of connected it’s like he name his company after his first screen name.
Hey you think Jim said was taken so that he was at and then he was like.
Of course being as he’s been in the intelligence services so long he he probably,
kill the guy that invented AOL and then gave it to the guy that actually took credit for it over half of the government.
Next week got how to boot off vice president of Science and Technology cuz this place clearly doesn’t even have science.
Since 1985 you served as president and CEO of Earth Tech International,
director of The Institute of advanced studies in Austin published numerous papers on electric being Electron Beam devices lasers space and space propulsion and is patents issued in laser Communications and energy fields,
so like like I said we keep moving further and further until like Bond villain Tony Stark territory here.

[10:38] His professional background spans more than five decades free search of General Electric Sperry the National Security Agency Stanford University SRA International.
Just like a who’s who of organizations that work on clandestine you know DARPA initiative kind of like stuff.
Corporations foundations on Leading Edge of Technology got no shit and future technology Trends so where do these people get their money to pay themselves for this is this,
right now they’re like an angel investor face but they are commercially selling like you can invest on it on their website which,
I’m guessing that’s part of the the stick or right.
They just had their like IPO in Texas and then in another state that allowed in IPL where you can buy shares in the company and stuff like that.
And it just it’s going to put out crazy Tech and research UFOs and put out albums I mean it’s just it’s like the most ridiculous company but I need to pick it was just insane it you know like the dumbest thing ever except for.

[11:44] You know it’s like you got people who are literally like inventing Auntie better weapons over here writing like what I can do,
so I’m guessing Angel Investors are just like shut up and take my money this is awesome I want my name on it,
just a few more inches or actually one more interesting person here this Steve Justice who’s the Aerospace director for the company.
What’s he’s eating their effort to examine the possibilities of emerging sciences and Technologies.
Is team of work to find Advanced systems exploring radikal Technologies prototypes and promoting concept promising Concepts and develop operational systems that shatter conventional thinking.
He entered the defense Aerospace industry in 1978 after graduating from the Georgia Institute of Technology pretty like okay yeah aerospace engineer.
Fletc after 31 years he just retired from as program director of the advanced systems for Lockheed Martin Advanced development programs,
better known to you know Aviation nerds like me as skunkworks skunkworks is the little little.

[12:58] Think tank that could that invented stealth technology among many many other things.
They’ve got their name from a little Abner cartoon that had a skunk that was so fun promotions or something back in like,
the sixties what have they started working on like a blackbird and stuff like that my aunt actually used to work on stealth fighters in Texas like just out of Fort Worth I think.
So she has like a whole bunch of pictures and stuff actually being in there working on those is really cool to see those yeah.
That that the reason I had to share that background best for me I hear skunkworks and immediately I’m just like holy shit okay.

[13:44] Do The Longshot hear it say that the government actually has like captured UFO Parts it is incorporating them into secret experimental aircraft skunkworks would be the guys who were actually working.
Nice like the very Cutting Edge of Aviation,
and then their director of Global Security of courses the Luis Elizondo guy we were just talking about who blew it wide open the whole Advanced Aviation Group.
I feel like I’ve been talking really fast and talking a bunch so any night show all these guys got together and Tom this is what I know what do you want us to do at it and he just says throw some science on it at crazy crazy shit,
I like it I love it yeah and so we’ve linked to the the website on here so it’s like there’s a lot to unpack here cuz it’s like.
Even ignoring the crazy celebrity you saw you know Science Academy / you know music project for the Stars Academy.
This the story would be worth as talking about alone just from the fact that.

[14:55] Holy shit the government really is like researching UFOs like as recently as 2013 and going what the fuck is this we have no idea we need to get on this and figure out what’s going on.

[15:06] Eyelash you know.
It’s so many of our UFO accounts of the guys I’ve been doing research for future episodes it’s like so much of it is like it’s hot you know it’s Hay Day with really the 50s the 60s,
70s and he get some really interesting ones in the 80s and 90s but they’re much fewer and far between than in the you know the whole AC and day out of the UFO is it a doesn’t like,
automatically do the Green Man,
thing you know like it’s like this is what we know and this is yeah that’s it like it’s not trying to take off and put theory behind it really.
Which is something I like like,
there were some viral videos what are three searching are not viral videos but videos talking about media response to it and so you know a lot of them trying to play,
you know they try to take like Neil deGrasse Tyson quotes and I always try to make it like Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn’t like X or does not apply when,
reasonable about it he doesn’t have ever say I don’t like this or I stupid or anything like that that’s them feeding words into his yeah but there were a bunch of them for this one that was like you know.
Neil deGrasse Tyson shut down that Tom DeLonge stupid UFO videos and all he said was he was like.

[16:26] You know if Tom DeLonge is got aliens bring up to Times Square is like but in the meantime he’s like I’m glad the government is investigating it if it’s an unknown phenomenon.
You know Tom DeLonge not claiming there aliens know that I know of I did not get a chance to watch the whole.

[16:45] He did an episode with Joe Rogan where he did like A4 hour long you know Joe Rogan ridiculously long and.
So I think he might have said a few things on there that were part of Wyatt Neil deGrasse Tyson chimed in about you never show us the little green man or whatever,
as far as I can tell this organization is not saying Little Green Men they’re just saying,
aerial vehicles that we know nothing about an app technology we don’t have ring.

[17:16] Isn’t it cool,
three weeks later more feel like it’s something sinister that the government is always like.
Nothing to see here at this is nothing this is absolutely nothing cuz I know seriously I’m watching it is really something interesting don’t shut it down. Was that a man in Black quote.

[17:48] Oh yes that was at Men in Black full nice.

[17:52] Yeah yeah it’s based on an actual explanation they wants gave for a UFO was that it was a small gas it was a common one in the likes 60s or 70s,
that in this one area where they were like Willow the Wisp switch with the lights you see out,
the ghostly spirits that lure people to their deaths and get them lost in the Everglades and stuff.

[18:21] The claim for those is that those are swamp gas so those are like light emanating from pesky swamp gas man.

[18:30] Gets me everytime I just can’t stand it though when it’s like.
I feel like we’re you know fairly level-headed individuals and we can see something with her own eyes and no is inside okay I’m clearly seeing something I moves Irving this,
real-time of the government’s like nope didn’t see it did happen just move on like why why are you so concerned.

[18:58] Assuring us along and telling us to forget about it and that we like what is you know there’s obviously,
it’s something huge and if you didn’t want us to pay so much attention to it then why don’t you just entertain us with it you know what I mean like Let It Right Out rather than saying forget about it cuz I’m just telling us to forget about it she’s going to make us look at it more you know,
and we talked about this and I episode that by the time this is out will have aired where we talked a little bit with the Flatwoods Monster about.
Was it 52 was the year that sounds right yeah we’re just UFO stuff was just going like crazy,
and did we get it all into the fact that they like the CIA releaser to feel like maybe this was
the whole thing was a psyops against the us to like create panic I think we text on a little bit yeah so you know I think maybe that’s still part of their mentality and why they do write the way they do is sit there like
well this is you know.

[19:57] Not healthy for the public to to get too wrapped up into this and it cost panic and just trust the government to stuff and just ran up with that seems like such a.
I’m sure there’s lots of things in the government that the government does are that are Obsolete and Cold War ask raise because that’s the way they’ve always done it,
they know a little bit more than we do as far as like if they were to.
Say yes this is a real we don’t know what it is possibly alien intelligence blah blah blah,
it might Insight mass panic and maybe that’s what they’re trying to head off is just as mass panic that by the way we have these entities are visiting our planet and we’re never parade,
make some pies.
Attention all humans we need to welcome our handsome new overlords what was the what was that that radio broadcast I just threw why didn’t I know that then gets into the,
actually the intro to our show.
Yeah that is I took that from the Library of Congress recording of the War of the Worlds.

[21:14] It’s pretty cool and you’re not familiar with War of the Worlds it was a radio broadcast that came on and people
thought it was legit but what actually was was I don’t know what they’re called thinner the right word for it but thank you for the time was run by and this was all written by
Pulp Fiction performed by
a young Orson Welles in this helped put him on the national map of celebrity not the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds original,
yeah which is funny because to them that it was old school cuz it was written by HG Wells so by the time they performed it and made their own Americanized version of it.
It already existed for like 50 years yeah so yeah so that’s.

[22:05] Yeah I don’t know I just want
to confirm like yesterday alien so that I don’t sound crazy when I talk about aliens you know what I mean that’s all I want so I don’t sound crazy but because other people would be crazier than me and go absolutely berserk I can’t have aliens.
Yeah this is why we can’t trust us with this information cuz they’re afraid we’ll all go crazy and start killing each other right,
but it’s just like can you just like whisper it to the smart people that like oh yeah we know about this this is aliens,
that they’re cool we hang out like on Labor Day weekend and stuff in Area 51 is a big barbecue.
But thank you for validating me I just want to be validated should we think they’re alien and do you think.
You know we’ve talked to let you know several episodes now and we haven’t covered the broad topic of aliens do you think aliens are.
Aliens there’s there’s several there’s lots of theories about are they aliens that are like a in the classic Sci-fi since they’re like beings from another world that are traveling here by spaceship.
Do you think they are alien as in they are Outsiders From Another Dimension do you think that they are time Trent like Time Traveler’s like the whole there us super evolved from the future and that’s why the greys have a humanoid kind of like form.

[23:32] That’s where that classification comes first super futurist yeah yeah he’s actually one who has traveled back from the future exactly.
And then another option that is out there is that you know people have been seeing.
You know lights in the sky and strange beings.
Yo tell them thank you like Angels sorcerer,
that they are the aliens are actually like demons or the nepheline or something like that and they just change their appearance to go with whatever time.

[24:11] They’re like Bumblebee in Transformers.
That’s a lot of options so I have a whole nother Theory okay and what we actually are.
And I actually had this discussion with a couple of my buddies is like 4 in the morning and we’re just.
Talking crazy and I’m like what if we were actually the center of like a nucleus or a cell.

[24:44] And everything around us is actually we’re actually inside of something larger like imagine we are like a cell inside of a human body,
controlling one function and that is our purpose on life is to,
continue the Earth in our daily chores to make sure everything functions properly so all these other planets that we know about her actually other cells operating something even bigger than we know about.

[25:06] I had that. Yeah so these aliens that we see or actually just.
Other organisms coming in and checking this out make sure we’re staying at making sure we good.
It’s possibility I’m saying that’s why I do good everyday except I want my dude to die.
Should I fail this all come on while you’re here.
So I’ve been listening to this documentary series.

[25:54] Fudgy just forgot it it’s with a Reuben Langdon he talks to people that channel,
extra extra dimensional interview with Ed so these are people that channel.
Sophomoric joke is out of my system please.
Now it’s going to be 9 Business guys like the diabeetus guy on extra-dimensional and.

[26:30] There’s many different,
theories on what’s actually on Earth with us but basically it’s a combination of a bunch of different things so.

[26:42] Imagine,
imagine like there is billions and trillions zillions whenever a bunch of different soul that exist in the spirit Realm,
all the different Souls have different places to go as far as like different planets in different systems excetera excetera well we as sold as we evolve,
we decide that we want to Incarnate here on Earth because Earth is one of the hardest places to Incarnate because of its density because of its environment because of,
just the socioeconomic status of Earth as a whole so we decide to Incarnate here on Earth,
to experience what Earth is like to help our souls evolve to a higher state so people who engage in carnate on Earth want to basically evolve,
higher up as a soul and Earth is one of the fastest ways to do it because it’s so difficult and just because of all the lifetimes you have to go through to Incarnate.

[27:38] So you know that that whole thing sounds like BS except for it does bring me Comfort to think that the reason life sucks so much is that I’m playing on.
Extra hard or extract to go so I’m continuing on so,
we have all existed on different planets and have different experiences but then at some point we decide as a saw that we’re going to incarnates here on Earth so.

[28:12] Basically some of us have these other experiences on different planets which is why a lot of us maybe have a lot of different theories on how life should work but we also,
people soak these individuals who can Channel these extra dimensionals explain that
there are many different alien races that are on earth right now and basically Earth is a place where we kind of battle at all out
so if you think about how there’s so much conflict in like other countries across this you know overseas how is conflict here within just like America
it’s basically we’re trying to work our way through all these conflicts that we’ve been kind of repeating generation after generation
generation and we’re trying to see if the Next Generation can do better than that if you think about it in Like a Star Wars terms I like how the international Galactica whatever like all this is coming together and
big like Auditorium like trying to come to terms with like certain rules and laws and stuff.
The kind of like how or if is kind of playing out right now so it’s kind of an interesting way to kind of put on it like kind of think about it.

[29:23] I don’t know if I entirely believe that but well but I also think that there.
There’s definitely there’s not a lot but I think that there are possibly like some alien beings living amongst us already,
I don’t know for sure I think it’s possible I don’t know but I’m not saying like over definitely is like I’m not like all the way into the crazy yet so.
Travis doing with this but basically.
Your first Duty ghosts aliens everywhere we’re all ghosts aliens that’s my summary of your first theory that you started going with almost got me to start thinking about the Matrix.
A kind of right it’s so like you’re laying out really really reminds it started out reminding me of my feet,
but now it’s really reminded with the ghost alien ghost baby’s thing is really reminded me of of $0.06.

[30:30] Scientology.
Oh cuz that’s what I believe is the fate and so basically these aliens that were that were at.
But you just ate out at like theory that I know nothing about saying it but I mean but that’s not like a hundred percent like what I believe is just kind of like.
What kind of I’ve read a lot about.

[30:56] And I totally forgot what the question was cuz I was I just got going.
08 reback song.

[31:19] Nutshell I do think that there are.
Aliens out there I think they probably look close ish to us because of just how like the carbon-based beings can arrange their cells I don’t know.
I think they can exist in many different ways as energy forms or as you know I don’t know by evolution.
I think it is I think it’s just a bunch of different things but I think they’re out there I think that they are here and I think that,
we all have a little bit of alien in our souls I heard it’s a really like weird dive on probably a simple question but,
we should really talk about extra extra dimensional and maybe I won’t seem so crazy about you.
That’s just going to be clickbait.
What are the tire on TV for a miss.

[32:24] So you’d mentioned you’d said the World War of the Worlds quote Men In Black quote and I got me thinking that one of the things I really like and we talked about this one.
The cameras and Technology instead of being able to see more and actually just go by what we’ve seen and not just run with it.
One of the Men in Black quotes that I actually like a lot and that kind of goes with this with actually having technology to be able to see these things more.
Was when he said that 1500 years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe 500 years ago everybody knew your ass was flat 15 minutes ago you knew humans were alone and imagine what will no no no tomorrow.

[32:59] That’s pretty cool the more technology we have the more we know cuz we would have never known the Earth was round without having technology advanced the world being flat thing is not a good example because.

[33:15] We’ve actually known that since you quit the whole thing real thinking the World is Flat is a like actually a relatively modern invention.

[33:26] Okay Rob what about you what do you think aliens are now,
my best guess is there either some kind of atmospheric phenomenon.
Or there I think they’re dimensional I don’t think I don’t think we’re being visited by aliens that can.

[33:48] Can travel between the Stars there’s something that’s preventing that I don’t know what yet because it seems like.
You know there’s a whole bunch of like different videos different kardashev level alien civilizations and how basically in the last like I’m teen billion years if a.
Civilization hop from planet to planet existed it would have consumed like the Galaxy by now before we even like came into being truant but as far as we can tell everything is completely empty so,
what the hell do you think it’s sorry,
I think it’s like they keep us the kids so far apart that like you can’t touch each other that’s why we’re so far apart from other planets wait I am kind of wondering if.
If that’s effectively how it works just because the distances in space are so fast to magnets close planet.

[34:48] I’m being really,
really dirty right now it’s just fuck it all up because
I just think about what we would do only laughing because it’s.
Totally true it’s just like people like what happened to the Neanderthals the boutwell based on the DNA of like a third of Europeans.
I don’t know we’re going to get weird.
We want to start having sex with them because we just want to see what happened I want to know who the first would be in like who drew the Short Straw.
Let’s do this.

[35:45] That’s that’s why we we are the like raced of Concord this planet,
I like they’re like another planet that they discovered that has earth like qualities it’s really super far away but like the likelihood of us ever being able to travel to it but I think there’s some like Divine Lake.
Being that controls all this that’s just like I know you guys are so fucking far away apart from each other that there’s no way you’re going to be able to survive even getting to the other planet,
because all you’re going to do you’re just going to fucking shut up.

[36:19] This is why aliens don’t stop you’re going to think whenever you find something dumb on the it makes me think of.

[36:27] Oh what’s the classic short story called they’re made of meat.
But yes it is like a radio drama kind of thing just a short like little 10 minutes kid or whatever but basically it’s like.
Does alien Scout talking back to his leader or whatever about okay so scanning the system holyshit what.
Okay so I found a planet and there’s intelligent life here is like oh really okay begin the first Contact protocol is like no Bob you’d understand.

[37:01] They’re made of meat well will you mean they’re like the dead X Adele’s where they’re like part Meat part cybernetic no no.

[37:11] They’re made out of meat.
Hey State they communicate by like moving air through pieces of meat in smacking two pieces in the front together and they just,
they’re all they do is just like flap around your meat it’s the it’s it’s it’s horrifying and they’re like
so there’s no swearing in it by accident but if it’s so it in the end after you know having the few minutes discussion about your stuff disgusted they are and how weird that is that they’re made of meat they’re like,
so so do I start the first cut it you know what Bob.

[37:48] We didn’t find anything on the third planet of the system,
you know what you’re right that’s way less paperwork then whatever the hell is going on down there that’s so so then they just leave the solar system and just mark it as uninhabited,
maybe like drones have been sent here to scope out,
what’s going on because I don’t think anything could survive possibly unless there’s interdimensional travel where they can pass through dimension,
and they’re inter-dimensional I don’t think they’re Interstellar cuz he’s got the ability to travel,
this is something we’ve learned more recently as we’ve learned more about how many planets are out there and all the different compositions their atmospheres and stuff is that.
You know people talk about like will the aliens are coming for a water slide,
there’s water all over space and then one, could give you like everything you need so why would you come to take their water. Rare at all actually.

[38:54] It’s like rare earth metals there’s more of those in space in there on Earth,
just excetera excetera going to worry about just like coming here for resources and conquering just because the vast distances doesn’t make sense if you got the technology to get between the Stars.
You already have the whole like getting materials thing from space truly figured out so there’s no point.
Check this out and see what is more research resource that they might.

[39:28] Like one one thing I’ve seen before like on the Discovery Channel was the,
president like a hypothetical Alien Invasion and what governments would respond like that and in that one they were like the best theory they could come up with for why aliens would actually do that even though they’re working like we don’t think they would would be,
carbon complex carbon.
And chlorophyll are things that are on Earth that we’ve never seen on any of the planets and stuff like that so it’s like.
Cub complex protein so basically meat chlorophyll are things that Earth has an abundance that aren’t anywhere else so that might be a resource that they would be after which is terrifying.
So yeah they would actually be coming for us yeah okay well that’s good not to plan it just us.
Yeah makes me feel so hot right now like so wanted the amazing I’ve never felt so wanted before.

[40:25] But yeah so.
Yeah that’s that’s but yeah I like it but yeah if they could already come here they would just be already know and they be fucking shit up left and right because that’s exactly what we would do.
Yeah but I also think too like,
a lot of people want to relate it to things that they already know and understand because if I get in my car and I drive to Brookings,
that’s how I know how to travel from point A to point B so we would logically think well I’m going to get my spaceship I’m going to actually fly from point A to point B because that’s the only way I understand right now
from getting from one place to another is I have to physically go there where is where as,
aliens who understand interdimensional travel it’s like no no no no no you don’t need to do that at all what you need to do if you need to raise your vibrational.
Level from from Mike Alpha 2 legs 8 or whatever,
from basically point A to point B but it’s not even going it’s actually you’re just you just flipping you’re there you know so that’s,
creating some kind of Heisenberg you’re going into the upside down I stopped in Big Bang Theory when Leonard and Sheldon’s like you ever think you’ll invent time travel.

[41:50] Any weights for a mini like no because I would have came back to this moment right here to prove you wrong yes I thought that.
Yeah that’s that’s what Stephen Hawking did about that teach City settled time travel once and for all pissy,
he threw a put on this this giant party to celebrate the arrival of a time traveler and so he advertised it and they like carpet and stone all over the place,
party for any potential Time Travelers.

[42:23] The sad because that’s the one thing I think that people miss out on on on Time Travel like if you travel to the Past first off if you interacted with anything,
it’s like I was talking with Amanda about her show she likes and books Outlander or she travels into the past,
let’s see you spoil it for her don’t you run I do will the Super bugs that she would be carrying would mean that she would basically be a Typhoid Mary would bring instant death to like to look up population of immediately.
And the whole time she was there she would have permanent diarrhea cuz her body wouldn’t be able to handle the bacteria on the food.
Stuff like that which when you think about those challenges and then think about what it be like for an alien interacting with us that’s what I don’t get is like so.
To Grey’s or whatever don’t need my space suits or something to that effect you didn’t like the aliens it was like little creatures are my rights as colitis.

[43:29] Would think they’d really really need like space suit if I travel back in time take a few extra pair of undies.
What is that stop you from pooling did you if you have diarrhea I’ve never really wanted to close that door so,
I have that was an unexpected the most intimate,
chapter we’ve recorded the right word just the TMI Edition we need to talk about my personal garment so.

[44:10] Just so remember kids if your time traveling you’re going to be shitting your pants a lot if you move.

[44:17] Back in time he move forward in time or not sure how it’s going to work if you just could be last like eat lasers or something I don’t know,
yeah so now we know who our supplier is Imodium AD official sponsor Street pharmacist,
that’s your new calling so in conclusion this is what happens when rock band front Men set up organizations to investigate the Paranormal.
The world proves itself in time travel everything that’s the bullet points are,
rockstars are science Geniuses who can open find UFOs Time Travelers are constantly crapping themselves,
but they got re Imodium AD so they’re okay and humans will fuck absolutely anything.

[45:14] Dimitrology end caps thank you for listening this week everybody and we will catch you next time.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 11 The Flatwoods Monster

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 11 The Flatwoods Monster

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

In 1952 five children were playing football in a small town called Flatwoods, WV when a strange object appeared above them. Streaking across the sky, they watched it crest a nearby hill, slow and then descend just over the top of the ridge. What followed after their sighting has become one of the most infamous local legends ever recorded. That night, seven area residents encountered a hovering, mechanical monstrosity that was described by area newspapers as “glowing” “Frankenstein-like” and breathing fire. The event helped shepherd in the 50s obsession with flying saucers and alien lifeforms and the “Green Monster” (one of three named given to the creature) has become a pop-culture figure in the decades to follow.

At 7:15 p.m. on September 12, 1952, two brothers, Edward and Fred May, and their friend Tommy Hyer said they saw a bright object cross the sky and land on the property of local farmer G. Bailey Fisher. The boys went to the home of Kathleen May, where they told their story. May, accompanied by the three boys, local children Neil Nunley and Ronnie Shaver, and West Virginia National Guardsman Eugene Lemon, went to the Fisher farm to locate whatever it was that the boys said they had seen. The group reached the top of a hill, where Nunley said they saw a pulsing red light. Lemon said he aimed a flashlight in that direction and momentarily saw a tall “man-like figure with a round, red face surrounded by a pointed, hood-like shape.”


Descriptions varied. In an article for Fate Magazine based on his tape-recorded interviews, UFO writer Gray Barker described the figure as approximately 10 feet (3.0 m) tall, with a round blood-red face, a large pointed “hood-like shape” around the face, eye-like shapes which emitted greenish-orange light, and a dark black or green body.  Kathleen May described the figure as having “small, claw-like hands,” clothing-like folds, and “ahead that resembled the ace of spades.” According to the story, when the figure made a hissing sound and “glided toward the group,” Lemon screamed and dropped his flashlight, causing the group to run away.

The group said they had smelled a “pungent mist” and some later said they were nauseated. The local sheriff and a deputy had been investigating reports of a crashed aircraft in the area. They searched the site of the reported monster but “saw, heard and smelled nothing.” According to Barker’s account, the next day, A. Lee Stewart, Jr. of the Braxton Democrat claimed to discover “skid marks” in the field and an “odd, gummy deposit” which were subsequently attributed by UFO enthusiast groups as evidence of a “saucer” landing.

According to former news editor Holt Byrne, “newspaper stories were carried throughout the country, radio broadcasts were carried on large networks, and hundreds of phone calls were received from all parts of the country.” The national press services rated the story “#11 for the year”.

1952 was a bellwether year for UFO’s.,_D.C._UFO_incident


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[0:44] Music.

[0:58] Hey ready welcome to Macau grand yr chapter 11 the Flathead monster,
then it’s eyes and roll of the berlin flat and monterey but i been doing i been leak so is at the braxton county monster or is the flatwoods monster,
clarifying Flatwood in the Flathead,
yeah where is Flatwoods I’ve looked at,
no but there’s a kentucky alabama tennessee west virginia west virginia is the next on.
Rain so i believe not that far from the infamous more of mans stopping rounds which is another thing that will.
If your only reason i brought that up is because i was i was researching this afternoon there was a holy crap load of pic images of people shipping the.
The Braxton County monster with the Mothman.
Like seriously like as a cute anime couple and like they are adorable little pictures together and mop bands playing the guitar and the Braxton County monster dancing and you know it’s super cute.

[2:22] That’s where their and that’s that’s waking up it seems to be a recurring theme because they’re kinda from us similar area and.

[2:30] Super Famous Cryptids from where you from come here often.

[2:39] Only when I’m here to steal people’s dreams.
Alright I’ll see you later anyway we should give people an idea of what we’re talking about here,
let’s see in 1952 five children were playing football in a small town called.
Appropriately enough Flatwoods West Virginia.
When a strange object appeared above them streaking across the sky they watch the cresta nearby hill.

[3:06] Slowly and then to send just over the top of the ridge will follow after their siding is become one the most infamous local legends ever recorded that night,
7 area residents encountered a hovering mechanical monstrosity that was described by an area newspaper as blowing Frankenstein like and breathing fire.
Event helped shape the Shepherd in the fifties obsession with flying saucers and alien life forms and the,
green monster now the name given to the creature has become a pop culture figure for decades now.

[3:43] I really feel like the video that we just watch talking about how the boys went out there and the mom and.
Always think is really,
Courage the Cowardly Dog episode it really feels like that like that that dog was totally like courage trying to be like stay away that’s what I Robot.
Like I literally looked it up to see if there’s any reference to that and encourage episode because it feels like it.
I’ve never seen that cartoon and I liked hurting,
yeah it was kind of,
the golden ear off or cartoon network and was just beginning like its first renaissance that’s not really goods q we do like it’s a really good horror cartoon.
Oh anymore i would probably be in the that yeah.

[4:29] So let’s see so it’s that night at 7:15 p.m. on September 12th 1952 two brothers Edward and Fred May.
Your friends top tommy hair was eighteen said they saw a bright object in the sky cross land of from a property of a local farmer named fisher the boys went to the home of kathleen may who,
they told their story to May being the most responsible adult I’ve ever heard a company the three boys and a bunch of local children Neil Nunley and Ronnie shaver,
it sounds like they were like
it looks like they’re going on a walk and Leave it to Beaver 50s thing where they’re like,
and also a come Company by a national Guardsmen and I’m just named Eugene lemon I just like.
Come from was he just like he was also around investigate the plane crash.

[5:35] It really is a got a Scooby-Doo Vibe going on right now it’s like man there so many people who just randomly hang out of this abandoned amusement park it’s just.
So when are Motley Crue of random characters why is Eugene lemon not with them when.

[5:54] When I see that machine or is he would have got away with it if it wasn’t for you and your pesky podcast crew,
witnessing a witness of the actual thing literally the national Guardsmen let the chill.
Small voice and the woman go in on a three sexist but it’s the fifties,
beat woman in a dress and the,
adolescent boys who investigate the glowing object that for all he could be like a
katie be kinda late mama or what was his but he was off that we can cuz national guard only goes on like one week and months of year to delhi and there you go up,
so that’s probably why he’s like you know I mean I am pretty cruel joke post 911 you know that
check me out now. You’re fine I just think of all my friends and family a National Guard I’m just feel like,
we can months two weeks sweet here and my cousin the national guys help on.
Million with the sarcasm that is so well.

[7:03] Three.
And like figure was there national guard games and so many in the flashlight case he was there someway.

[7:27] I like so he ran because he is like i will run the voice of the book
what was your lease images of the artwork of like screaming little boys running away from the monsters another yet and in the national guard guys pick that none of this is is used
you just the belt water i think that’s exactly loses faith,
to alien attacks work like a bear attack you don’t have to be,
the fastest person you just have to be the fastest person in your group that’s right yeah,
not the slowest I also find it disturbing how.
Equally all three of us were just like yeah that’s totally the case yet
yeah can I resolve a bear attacks this podcast crew Rob screwed
you could be good can of which i gotta chancellor in price using those that we move your telling the story.

[8:23] You first hear there’s several boy young boys outside playing and then they get their mom,
and then the mom as are walking to this location and thought of hearing that old there’s a neighbor who’s also in the National Guard and he comes along so you kind of forget,
but he’s there because all you see in your mind’s eye thanks like maybe movies or whatever is this pack of boys and the mom like you kind of forget that there’s also another like.
Adult and let the boys go I miss May how are you doing,
actions buried in an article from fate magazine based on his tape recorder interviews which i listened to this interview by the way and so this gary barker that reported these interviews was very.
Adamant that he believed the boys just throwing that out there but and he sounded genuine but obviously you know he’s right for fake magazine he might be a little biased towards like UFO stuff but but,

[9:34] They describe a figure approximately 10 ft tall with a round blood red face,
large pointed Hood like shape around the face eyes like shapes with your.
I like shapes which emitted a greenish orange light and a dark black and green or green body.
Kathleen May describe the figure as having small claw-like hands,
yeah we just saw a video where they’re just like well they’re no arms maybe they were antenna so maybe just hands like literally like the Five Fingers of hands but like arms to support them so.

[10:09] Shapes kevin start small him yeah.
Clothing like folds basically she said that they like the skirting of it was kind of like pleated but it’s killing,
maybe it’s like the battle is just style the shoot me who also an alien shape,
aliens shape their killbots cuz I mean you get the 1951 model and then they come out with the 52 that’s got the pleated like skirt,
from the Targaryen in Beulah even lineup looks like s*** now it looks like a piece of s***,
it is in heaven black is in so immediately all your white appliances look like shit yes
I don’t even know what to do with the stainless steel stuff I have anymore I mean it just and then you like throw away all your Chrome killbots and then that comes back hardcore in the 60s was like f***,
you know I shouldn’t but I only have so much room to store killbot in my flying saucers anyway,
so according to.
Women screamed and dropped okay here we don’t lamb and screamed and dropped his flashlight causing the group to run away.

[11:28] Scared the women and children when running and then i’ll ran the women and children getting out of the forest with,
the alien monster not gonna lie i have cause other people to freak out based on my own freak out so i can use credence to the whole hysteria thing yes yes i see a very forrest gump style run with him,
yeah because like fingers even doing the like yeah crossing fingers bodies runs model of germany article from the daily will not let see.

[12:02] The group and smelled a pungent missed which I apologize for that now sometime later they said and they were nauseated the local sheriff and Deputy that have been investigated reports of the crash aircraft in the area.
Search the spot with mustard van and the saw heard or smell nothing corey to baker’s account the next day a lease to our junior of the press democrat claim to have discovered skid marks.
In the field and that part of that pungent smell,
and in the field there was a old gummy deposit which were subsequently attributed by UFO enthusiasts groups as evidence of the saucer Landing
now this description I have going to bring it over what was the video we just watched in preparation for this,
that’s right we watch a 10-minute YouTube video and that’s our research now we do a little more than that.
But no they talk a lot more about that has a kind of blowing off the smell thing.
Actually the smell thing is quite dramatic and that,
they basically got mustard gas to where they’re like throat swelled shut and some of the boys can drink water and they were taken to the hospital,
it’s what the doctor thought as that they were exposed to like mustard acquiring gas that one as well though the heat to heat that violently yell yeah from the whole ordeal.

[13:17] Does not just like a little bit of upset stomach.
And kathleen may it that mentioned in the video that she gets ordered with.
What we hope is oil and make a million semen or something but you now.
It’s what i know like the probably don’t even like analyzer dress or anything like that that was probably isn’t class a clean it to the house life will did they found some of the oil and the center of the air force and the air forces like it.
Nothing is fading reply that doesn’t like ever out that will give backs ya got going back to fixing the male chases email that.
It’s very much which this ties in a little bit with,
something I meant you were going to do a whole episode just on the year 1952 and how it’s such a Bellwether for UFOs but,
yeah cuz there’s a lot to cover John pack here but 52 the summer that cuz this takes place in September but the summer of that year was the year that,
photos were just scrambling over washington dc like crazy,
like 6 to 10 sightings at night and jet fighters being scrambled out of Delaware and Ellis Air Force Base and,
chasing them around and lots of like confirmed radar sightings and then like going objects over the runways it washing in or washing the sea was a huge summer for ufos.

[14:41] And one of the big consequences anybody explain why the Air Force never got back to them and stuff like that is this was kind of the beginnings of the the UFO craze and I believe Project Blue Book was going on at this time and,
basically between a washington dc thing and then this guy this creature.

[15:02] The government kind of Gears here’s where they’re at they they kind of got the idea the CIA and Project Blue Book and others that,
maybe this is all supposed to generate hysteria because of your foreign government you’re looking at ways to you know cover up an invasion or mover out you know do some clandestine shit up,
great way with Americans Apparently after the War of the Worlds broadcast would be there really really jumpy about the whole Alien Invasion thing.

[15:32] It aliens are so hot right now cuz what was what some KGB officer would say back then in perfect English for some reason and.
So they’re thinking is well this could be this could be a Soviet plot to create panic and confusion and mistrust and Bubba Buck hysteria who create panic in the United States so,
the Air Force they changed the directive of Project Blue Book and everybody in the air force that was involved in like touching anything with UFOs was.
Only talked about this the incidents and comment on it since that you can debunk.

[16:06] Three
and so basically al and i think that’s where some of the ideas like at
cover up come from is the whole just like total shutdown of information it’s like well where they covering stuff up or where were they like trying to suppress what they thought was developing Mass Hysteria,
which is interesting because it’s almost like they didn’t have some psychology professors helping them or something explaining that actually,
like being all fucking creepy and shutting down everything about it and being all hush hush and telling people not to talk about it.

[16:49] Sisters more conspiracy shit glass okay you’re clearly covering shit up as like.
Was it a government agent telling someone in a second
talk about ufos is that is it actually an official who was really saying that but it was more because that was their instruction to just blanket america and don’t talk about ufos cuz we’re free that it’s mass hysteria thing it’s being used as a weapon against america.
Yo hi the cold war so they ask us to leave my is it the red scare to some of the year like paranoia it’s like take your cold war paranoia bump it up to eleven so.
That’s pretty frightening phrase writing the real monsters in the story are as in yes that’s us were serious.

[17:41] We were the real monsters the whole time anywhere.

[17:50] Okay so.
This basically this story ended up being like rated the number 11 story for all of 1952.
And you know the other thing was all the ufos and craziness of washington dc what’s really interesting yeah i have user the movie called planet fifty one.

[18:13] Negatives no.
That’s not surprising considering that it was released on a weekend that I think like a Twilight Zone was really sound like a really big films released at the same time,
if you wanna as earliest and dominic i would,
like I don’t know why we got it in our heads to like see this movie but we’re just go see this movie Planet 51 it’s an animated feature it looks pretty good so.

[18:37] What you want and you planet is it panic areas of atlanta fifty one.
Between the rock johnson is actually the star of this film is this it’s so cute but what kind of reminding me of this and it’s okay think this is kind of my theory.
So this is alien planet
and there are in the fifty’s there to experience in your fifties of and kind of like their own million scare later italians are on there butt of her sociological psychological
logical implications that all apparently all civilizations experience an american nineteen fifties at some point you act absolutely and,
is so he’s a nasa ass uses isn’t his and s astronaut and his spacecraft crash lands on this planet well they had ss the nasa had center actually a little rover to this planet make sure it like,
there’s any life on this planet Will turns out that the Rover robot is like obsessed with rocks to all they thought that this plan was covered in was just rocks,
green aliens and so but technically he’s the alley in cuz he’s on their plan.
Anyway that’s the whole different thing but.

[19:52] There is a lot of you is it such a good movie like there some electric fence is like other bills and stuff in it but it’s kinda remind me of late.

[20:01] Their own scare and like the fact that it’s 51 which is like you could save 5152 like a start of like the aliens.

[20:11] When will also area fifty one oh i just got it now okay so so that’s why you know then that’s its is full transformation for the planet to realize that,
I know the alien isn’t bad it’s actually out he’s actually beneficial for xcetera,
he I don’t remember call him really eating but like his his adventure takes place over like the course of several days but,
for this drying the flat the flatwoods monster.
The character the astronaut in Planet 51 is it’s very similar like that’s very like because they’re alien monster was like I was basically an astronaut with a big eyeball.
And that was like that’s how it that’s how he looks so it’s kind of like.
I wonder where this alien actually was you know and you know this is our interpretation of a really it doesn’t look anything like that so.

[21:16] Anyways all the artwork shows arms but probably antennas.
It will be able to sew us a great rate so so so system of interesting the the the.
Correlations i can kinda see between the movie and then the flat what monster what do you guys think of the barn owl hypothesis is a really deadline and i am and i’m probably alien but.

[21:41] Do you think i don’t know the select the.
Cuz Mothman is also been said that it could just be a barn owls and there’s just like a timing of this
meet where this this crap were this group are not ready for strangeness in hahaha weird the weird fucking shit like the guy leaning is ufo next your car all your,
parked by the the road and then,
sing for directions and getting back into is ufo a flying away kinda like with the call high strangeness that comes in with an like men in black and plus the moth man plus the bridge when.
Whole thing will unpack but we’re not ready for that yet we’re warming up with flat what’s will get them off me okay well in that case.
I think it’s plausible that it could be a barn owl however based off of.
Everyone’s eyewitness account.
And all of the drawings from each of the individuals of what they saw there’s there’s no way that it was an owl.
I something it that it is an owl and it could be but i don’t think it is and listen flu i use its wings tucked.
Yeah and sprayed oil and then when walls fly i would.

[23:05] Well I was about to say that they’d be moving too fast but they don’t fly like Hawks actually fly pretty slowly and so that could give you the hover effect so I mean it’s it’s a damn good theory if you’re going to come up with the ethical theory for it.
Yeah i feel it that’s that would be the skeptics lake on the message like a whole concoction of wildlife of skunks and.

[23:31] Octopi inking out of trees,
adjust to sixty lbs have spatial technology that here but they have the odor in
if someone lives here is very tell it like it’s like there’s there’s there’s a dogs a cat is a horse or cow or whatever mail pile on top of each other
one of the musicians i was saying email eight and they’re all awful so you’re but they all seem to get like
it’s like all these creatures like stacked up on top of each other and they like they go around singing there so I have to figure it out now but
he like our these you know note of it you think that plate of butter it was a bunch of raccoons with a part on top and a trench coat,
like a waffle raccoon an hour and they all just want to be like towels and stuff for touching the turf.

[24:28] I don’t really have an answer like the metallic like body thing,
throws me off cuz I don’t know I’m obviously pretty much everything will glisten under the light of the Moon,
sorry I have never heard of that I’ve never heard of it.

[24:53] It’s a popular fairytale retrieved recorded by The Brothers Grimm,
was first published in bubble by telestory for aging domestic animals with after a lifetime of hard worker neglected and mistreated by their former Masters,
eventually they decide to run away become Town musician in the city of Bremen contrary to the story’s title the characters never arrived in Bremen and intriguing and scaring off of Band of robbers captured,
so theirs is there like a picture of a visit to doc he a dog that monkey know the cat the cat
and then a rooster so they’re all like 8
read all those stores my mom and my mom had like these lips mass of books of the grooms stories or a group reading this so that’s why i’m wondering,
Travis what you’re trying to get out of there earlier about like the interesting though,
alright so.

[26:03] Is what they seen another guy said it was the airplane Beacon.
Circular airplane Beacon tower that shining a red light.

[26:16] Pulsing random thing that require power unless the hold power just fell over.
I think it’s the the tower fell over it’s kind of those those being right where it says its casting red light oh okay i got you do but feeble know you know i mean if it’s if it was something so basic you could it was duplicate.
Than light at the light so even if there’s a meter it would be actually documented somewhere.
And is there a lake we should we should really research like the weather conditions of that time,
fish super windy like anything could have just been hurling through the air if there could have been a tornado and just throwing like.
But they said it was a red glowing object co hurling through the sky in and this is so i could have been there beacon reflecting off for debris from the tornado like.
Are in aluminum are can ripple born in its twenty feet block yeah the there’s no depth perception in the dark.

[27:27] I think there is any otherwise Pilots wouldn’t be able to do s*** in the dark out of me like I hit something but I mean they have.
The Horizon oh no they just ran into stuff all the time.
It’s like putting a white.
Oh wait piece of paper surround yourself away are we really don’t know how big the dot is.
Is it small and far away or is it small enough clothes can I see what you’re saying yeah,
so an infant reflecting light off the really don’t know how far it is see don’t know how big it is full and got to the site though that’s when these out the size of it.
They think maybe they’re like that’s really far away but it’s like 4 inches from your nose.
Man that was a whole truck they got her through the air and that’s what they seen and the hazards were on.
And Will Smith when he’s like coming up with his his version of the neuralyzer like the backstory full episode.

[28:38] That’s exactly what it was he knows what’s up so I don’t know.
I don’t know i know its hard to start and why is guard i don’t really know about these alien do just because it looks so leg.

[28:58] Unlike any other alien depicted,
very unique and it’s weird that everything we’ve seen or read or watch has been like and iconic alien I’m like I never seen nothing like this.
Because even when they are coming up the put it in you know what i was reading as late.

[29:16] I wasn’t teaching as this pitching the classic late gray man yeah yeah that’s that’s way i pick this one was yeah i was like this is.
Are you meek has a slight leaking so in the weeds on so many different ufo encounter stories about but this one this one.
You know especially like the with the it’s not a classic abduction scenario it’s not a,
could be like a whole astronaut farmer story yeah i mean some do just making stuff.
It’s it’s just weird me so is okay i think that wasn’t the national guard guy was fri may can some ass now pharmacist didn’t wanna be accountable for the night i don’t know this is kid you need to go check that out,
news for the rate hike run away exactly what ya need to get out of here so i hide this thing right.
So then he actually circled back and hides the s***.

[30:13] Gotcha and he might have soiled the misses dress.
How do you say and all the object flying through the sky.
Is a kite as it was a kite in Spanish,
alright alright I don’t know,
that’s fine you don’t have to I don’t know either this is all about we need to know when you get to the bar,
yeah no freaking ours just antenna so the hissing noises obviously legs of proportion system.

[31:02] I don’t think it actually hissed at people I think it’s just a propulsion system to make it hover and go after the people.
Sure sure so that’s solved that’s done,
we solve the Mystery Case Closed hissing noise.
And back at home.

[31:23] People are trying to ship them all right.
Are chromosomes don’t even probably match they can’t like.
You know it would it be funny if the the Flatwoods Monster or the Mothman are real and they’re like well that’s total b******* there’s no such thing as a,
the other thing and like to meet other like holy fucking shit out there like mind blown as your every.
Where we can get rid.

[32:03] Yeah this is it’s amazing how many eyewitnesses there were,
how they all this kind of tried along for the adventure and then they got like way more than that what they are in for i don’t think that i mean okay so.
Burlington that 11 minute video right people watch so it was very details like times and like what dogs were there.
Which seems a little forced to me
to have the information
it’s because it wasn’t investigative
sincerely so you have police-style like just the facts ma’am okay at this time this person did this thing this person did this thing 1952 how many people actually had a clock.
Readily available out on the farm,
ever had lots of everybody.
But Mrs May that’s her name right May and lemon and they probably definitely had a watch on suppose he might have.
She cheese senses that’s a mother sense into it on the market is giving a little gift that sells on we’re not gonna talk about mop man today.

[33:31] Yeah harvard yeah baby roll.
Okay we katelyn to their relationship a little then it we can i am very interested with the fanfic looks like for mouth man flatulence what’s the,
yeah it’s super interesting.
Oh i just i just think the concept that we human beings like before that planet you know they fly by at all that’s the plan it where they’re all like.
Who’s fucking who and what’s fucking white and they’re just like totally obsessed with reproduction and that just like the just still does like put anything in a relationship those those apes down there they’re fucking crazy literally the early.
All the time.

[34:17] Yeah with let’s continue to reproduce via mall thing or something when he sexual reproduction and get this week.
Yeah that is the ff the flatwoods monster and.
I don’t i don’t i don’t think we’ve yeah it’s obviously the that their cities where we’re not gonna.

[34:42] I don’t have a strong opinion on this one as far as like oh it was definitely fakers different wheel and atlantic piece that the ambiguous ones tell i think this is one that was just a good.
You’re topic to because probably not alot of people know about it,
yeah it’s very popular in like West Virginia Pennsylvania kind of that that area there like their local folklore
well yeah I had not heard of this until I really started getting into these like Paranormal investigations spaghetti
i feel like you do not see a lot about this particular encounter.

[35:20] Which is the weird because i thought i think they be jumping the chance to talk about one that isn’t a gray and white rate.
Why don’t I think people.
Maybe a general consensus about West Virginia is up there all kind of crazy anyways and so that’s that’s unfortunate.
Long time ago for a lot of people.

[35:46] You know what the whole West Virginia think that’s a very real Factor because that that Kirkwood incident with the little Goblin aliens that we’re going to talk about.
That one takes place I pretty sure in West Virginia or like not far from here and,
what is,
they’re like always stripping hillbillies in the appalachians is gonna violate a lot of consent is of city people of time and i didn’t get as much,
play as literally people like exchanging gunfire with aliens should be that kind of story.

[36:23] Three,
and I think it’s funny that they had to know that actually they were all visiting their mom’s house and that’s why this happened so none of them were drinking because they didn’t mother didn’t allow alcohol in the house so it’s just like.
Fact david had to of,
it’s like okay that’s the present your stereotyping that’s what your average joe blow in politically incorrect man on the street in the fifty’s of thinking about a bunch of guys from this virginia that i excel at a family in the west virginia pennsylvania,
area like that’s where my family originated but not all of them.

[37:10] I could ask a few of them about you know,
talk to us in our entire lives and also you come out of the woodwork to ask us about the freaking Flatwoods Monster are part of the estranged branch of the family that like moved away because of.

[37:30] Family is pick struggle cut well so okay so here it is my great grandfather.
His mom got with this guy will call him Tom okay so this isn’t like 1912 they,
slept together out of wedlock and ended up she ended up pregnant with my great-grandfather will then Tom decides that he doesn’t like my great-great my great-great-grandmother,
and he sure likes it her sister so so he ends up marrying her sister
That b**** by the way they end up having like seven kids together Meanwhile my great-great-grandmother remarried another guy and they have
seven kids together so my great grandfather now has fourteen half siblings,
but because it was kind of taboo at the time for someone to have a baby out of wedlock my.

[38:28] Great great grandparents so basically will call her grandma Melissa will say her parents adopted my great-grandfather and basically included him on the senses and said that he was their son and just kind of treated him like their son.
Oh man see there’s a flake.
That’s that’s all that’s that whole family that lives up in Pennsylvania and there’s like 10 of them and he got tired I guess Abby the way he’s being treated in the community and everything and ended up.
Movin Out West you rather,
you need a minute alright so anyways
he moved out west and then ended up in South Dakota and so weird that Friends of the family that made it out this far as the majority of them are kind of in that area still and so showing at areas like.
Johnson or smith yeah so there’s just so many.

[39:31] And every year they have a family reunions and the Tanner Church actually dedicated one of their outdoor pavilions to our family.

[39:41] Cuz we show up the third week they’re like the second week of August every year so they’re like mayonnaise on his name and after the show Family,
i see you didn’t and yeah it’s so so.

[39:57] Three
okay we’ll funny stories of actually watching the show ring oh and i told my brother is changing my from my online presence for mary show to irina cool and i’m having a
I’m actually pretty soon the show and my brother was like aren’t you afraid that dad’s going to be upset about
forsaking the family name or some bullshit you just bullshitting me right am i,
no like cuz he won’t care but sex but you know,
literally my show will be called the area Nicole show so,
I’m still like my last name is still in there it’s just not as obvious.
Then we’re gonna launch in aug so yeah so that when this,
actually what this comes out it’ll be.
Oh so this comm anything that’s going on right now and we’ll see how it goes.

[41:05] Mr and you too very cool travis i know you’ve got something that’ll be cooking up in october.

[41:14] Okay do okay i think i do if i don’t know what are you referring to,
magician among the spirits.
That’s pretty cool it’s kind of just alive tribute to Harry Houdini.
I’m trying to avoid using the word magic show,
not really a magic show it’s more of an experience.
Storytelling Adventure research kind of going through his research interests
if experience is anything that I’m really most excited about it every shows going to be different because the audience decides the outcome.

[42:05] We’re trying to decide what weekend we want to go so you might be different in the storytelling and.
Teddy glimpse of how that’s gonna happen is houdini focused a lot on spiritual is a medium psychic stuff like that during his later part of his life
and as I’m not a person who can do those things we’re going to recreate a moment that the audience comes up with on the Fly of a day to time an event,
what happened to who,
how to happen and then perform that is a medium experiment,
yeah so that sounds fun and hit me I’m up to my usual podcast hijinx and Misadventures so be sure to check all those out at the Sioux
What see anything else in the flat was monster once twice and i’m making think we’ve covered it.

[43:11] Much as he can consist of a question mark but,
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 10 Coral Castle

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 10 Coral Castle

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

Coral Castle has been featured on Leonard Nimoy’s program “In Search of…” and been the subject of speculation for decades.  It’s been the film set for nudist films and campy 60’s sci-fi. But we still don’t know how it was built. This week we explore the strange origin of Coral Castle: “Florida’s Stonehenge.”  Latvian immigrant Edward Leedskalnin claims he built it using magnets and perpetual motion aka psychic powers. That seems far-fetched but if that’s not how he moved all that stone, how did a single man with no equipment or help move 1,100 Tons of rock?

The grounds of Coral Castle consist of 1,100 tons of stones in the form of walls, carvings, furniture and a castle tower. Commonly believed to be made of coral, it is made of oolite, also known as oolitic limestone. Oolite is a sedimentary rock composed of small spherical grains of concentrically layered carbonate that may include localized concentrations of fossil shells and coral. Oolite is found throughout southeastern Florida from Palm Beach County to the Florida Keys.  Oolite is often found beneath only several inches of topsoil, such as at the Coral Castle site.


The stones are fastened together without mortar. They are set on top of each other using their weight to keep them together. The craftsmanship detail is so skillful and the stones are connected with such precision that no light passes through the joints. The 8-foot tall vertical stones that make up the perimeter wall have a uniform height. Even with the passage of decades the stones have not shifted.


Many of the features and carvings of the castle are notable. Among them are a two-story castle tower that served as Leedskalnin’s living quarters (walls consisting of 8-foot-high pieces of stone); an accurate sundial; a Polaris telescope; an obelisk; a barbecue; a water well; a fountain; celestial stars and planets; and numerous pieces of furniture. The furniture pieces include a heart-shaped table, a table in the shape of Florida, twenty-five rocking chairs, chairs resembling crescent moons, a bathtub, beds, and a throne.


With few exceptions, the objects are made from single pieces of stone that weigh on average 15 tons each. The most massive stone weighs 30 tons, and the tallest are two monoliths 25 ft tall each.


A 9-short-ton revolving 8-foot tall gate is a famous structure of the castle, documented on the television programs In Search of… and That’s Incredible! The gate is carved so that it fits within a quarter of an inch of the walls. It was well-balanced, reportedly so that a child could open it with the push of a finger. The mystery of the gate’s perfectly balanced axis and the ease with which it revolved lasted for decades until it stopped working in 1986. To remove it, six men and a 45-ton crane were used. Once the gate moved, the engineers discovered how Leedskalnin had centered and balanced it. He had drilled a hole from top to bottom and inserted a metal shaft. The rock rested on an old truck bearing. It was the rusting out of this bearing that resulted in the gate’s failure to revolve. Complete with new bearings and shaft, it was set back into place on July 23, 1986. It failed in 2005 and was again repaired; however, it does not rotate with the same ease it once did.

Coral Castle remains a popular tourist attraction. Books, magazines, and television programs speculate about how Leedskalnin was able to construct the structure and move stones that weigh many tons. Claims that nobody had ever seen Leedskalnin at work and that he levitated his stones have been repudiated. Orval Irwin reportedly witnessed him quarry his rocks and erect parts of his wall and illustrated the methods in his book Mr. Can’t Is Dead.  Coral Castle’s website states that “If anyone ever questioned Ed about how he moved the blocks of coral, Ed would only reply that he understood the laws of weight and leverage well. “He also stated that he had “discovered the secrets of the pyramids,” referring to the Great Pyramid of Giza.


Coral Castle in Pop Culture

Nude on the Moon Film NSFW (Filmed at Coral Castle)


The 1958 film The Wild Women of Wongo used Coral Castle as the set for the dragon-god temple.


In the 1966 children’s musical film Jimmy, the Boy Wonder, Coral Castle was used as a backdrop in several scenes.


“The Castle of Secrets” is an episode of Leonard Nimoy’s program In Search of… (1976–1982) that includes a dramatization of Leedskalnin moving the stones with minimal effort.


On June 20, 2014, the History Channel aired a segment about Coral Castle in the Ancient Aliens series (Season 8, Episode 2), “Mysterious Structures”.


Billy Idol’s 1986 song “Sweet Sixteen” was inspired by the story of Leedskalnin and Coral Castle.


John Martin’s book, Coral Castle Construction, released in November 2012, describes how Ed Leedskalnin built his structure based on fundamental engineering principles.


Columnist Benjamin Radford claims on the Live Science blog that we know how he built the castle.  


As tempting as it is to view the amazing park through a veil of mystery, in fact we know how the castle was built. Creating a structure like the Coral Castle today could probably be accomplished in a few months with a construction crew and modern machinery. But Leedskalnin worked alone using basic tools like picks, winches, ropes and pulleys. Leedskalnin himself said that that he did it using hard work and the principles of leverage. The tools he used to quarry the rock are on display at the Coral Castle, and several old photos depict the large tripods, pulleys, and winches he used to move the blocks. Though the quarried stone slabs are large, they are actually lighter than they appear because the rock is porous.

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26] History of many ancient monuments.
Stonehenge and Easter Island.
So versions of these particles may be concealed in florence coral cast this monumental structure was created by one man with his bare hands in the twentieth century.

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[0:58] Re very welcome to have from white chapter eleven,
I’m irie show here with my co-host Robert mailing and Travis Knight
super dramatic coral castle and its x is it,
is it that actually in Miami Florida in Miami itself it’s Palm Beach County Florida and then.
There’s a name for the township that it’s in.
The city museums address was Miami so.
This is weird castle and it’s made out of coral,
if you’re not excited about a listen to Leonard Nimoy tell you about it because he’s like the original Morgan Freeman
so I guess you have some did you want to.

[2:07] You want to read your what you wrote up or whatever you want me to read it or whatever describe a little bit for the uninitiated,
America’s America’s Florida’s Stonehenge and Florida is known for its messed up stuff so I mean.
You know if they think it’s their Stonehenge then it gets Florida so I’d imagine there’s like 10 things just as weird.
No this one is the Stonehenge of Florida okay enough Florida fashion program.
It’s been the film set for our newest films and can be sixty psi phi.

[2:50] We still don’t know how it was built this week we explore the strange origin of Coral Castle Florida Stonehenge laughing immigrant Edward lead skin,
with scott cullingford glenn county,
claims he built it using magnets and perpetual motion aka psychic powers,
this really say psychic powers he never explicitly said the word psychic powers that’s why i couldn’t find member saying cycling wheels down tools like a power yeah in my slow thrown in like,
he shifts paradigms while he,
crypto walking blockchain cryptocurrencies I mean it’s like it’s very much like the buzzwords from the fifties about like Paranormal soup.

[3:44] So
okay so it seems far-fetched that he do this like with magic powers or something but how would a single man with no equipment no heavy equipment will get will get into that more or help move.
1100 tons of rock by his self by his loneliness.
Yep apparently worked at night and if you if peoplescout it out and watched him working and stuff you would stop and wait for them to go away.
And he himself was wait you’re saying the guy that lives in the castle he built by Lev estate levitating chunks chunks of coral is a little little weird.

[4:30] Could you imagine like your work you’re doing your thing at work and your boss comes by to check on you and you literally just stop
everything that you’re doing and just
three magic that was part of his income was the main ten cents per to work any a little bucket by the door and people came in and to risk right can’t,
that’s cute it’s super cute those were the days when,
money is actually buy things and yeah.
Tours of eccentric Coral Castle.
Hey Dad I’m coming to the finish next year.
Help him load the bigger peace like cuz he built in one location and then,
somebody like load it on all at once like pieces like onto a truck transported to the new location and then basically lake.

[5:43] Just left him to emily and the reports are that he made them leave the trailer overnight yeah say with load he would load the trailer one knows how we get it and suddenly come in the morning all this like.
Multi-ton Stones we loaded on the truck.
And then they take it you know leave the trailer overnight for him to unload it at the next place and back at 4.

[6:07] Don’t know what Trucking Company he found that like agree to those terms which is totally like.

[6:15] Clearly you’re you’re not hauling bodies or so. Good night,
plus I think it’s essentially like he’s just we should probably State he doesn’t drive he didn’t drive it all the only rode his bike and,
to write it into town every day to get his supplies and whatever else that he needed so the fact that he has somebody else driving this truck for him isn’t that weird but it’s almost like you renting a U-Haul flatbed,
and then also hiring a driver to be like okay bring it to my house I’m going to load it.

[6:52] But you have to like not be here and then I need you to drive it from point A to point B and then I’m going to unload everything by myself the next day,
crazy cars that does not couches and should it’s like huge ass rocks giant rocks which felt like rocks,
unstable and wanted to fall apart halfway down the dorm stairs,
Coral Castle Coral Castle Castle consist of 1100 tons of stones that form walls carvings furniture and a castle tower,
family believed to be made of coral it is made of light also known as Olight Limestone Olight is a sedimentary rock composed of small spherical grains,
Concentra cleared carbonate thang mo,
food localize concentrations of fossil shells and coral so basically like what it looks like in the pictures where it’s like.
This is this is like.

[7:52] Beach Bayou Limestone sedimentary rock.
And so is it a while it is he’s do way several times they they don’t weigh as much as they would be if it was a like granite him.

[8:11] So it says the tallest the walls are like eight feet tall but doesn’t say how tall the entire thing was.
Yeah I think I’ve got that in here hang on so yeah and Eli is very common in that part of Florida if you did beneath the topsoil.

[8:30] The tallest points in it,
with few exceptions the objects are made from single pieces of stone that weigh on average of 15 Tons each the massive Stone the most massive Stone weighs 30 tons and the two tallest monoliths in the building,
are in the construction are 25 feet tall each.
Some of the features and carvings in The Kessler notable among them is a two-story castle tower.
Does his living quarters and consisted of a bunch of equipped all,
are 8 foot high pieces of stone.
An accurate Sundial a Polaris telescope and a barbecue a water well of Fountain Celestial stars and planets and numerous pieces of furniture,
some of the furniture was in fun shapes like for example there’s a heart shaped table and there’s a table in the shape of the state of Florida 25 rocking chairs that resemble Crescent moons a bathtub beds and throw.
In nature thought right now are we sure is a national state with state of florida he wasn’t does drum like dicks and balls la,
because he thought it was a simpler time true this is true people control like that back then that’s true of.
Really funny though that could have been the pioneer of trolling though.

[9:53] Well,
in the history of trolling zach goes,
Echoes way back to like ancient like Greek people writing letters back and forth just like you’re such a douche you’re a douche,
probably a saying you’re insulting graffiti I know some of the oldest is.
It’s in northern it’s actually let up on the island in england for the phone this like village it was preserve the married and whole bunch of graffiti it’s like the oldest england and some of the oldest in europe and.
There’s a whole bunch it just a lot of like sounds like sexually frustrated people.

[10:42] I’m talking about their exes and jenny is a total bitch and that that’s it’s the name wasn’t jenny but it’s a woman’s name and she was a total you know.
A word of there’s that kind of resembles RC word apparently.
Speak your mind and that’s true,
good good good confession on the walls no I don’t think that’s that’s quite how it work it wasn’t Pompeii,
yeah it does but let’s see Coral Castle,
allah see it oh and this is a cool part of it that i liked and,
intro which we will link to the show notes kind of showcases it back when I was still working but there’s a,
ring tone revolving the foot tall,
that’s one of the most famous structures in the castle.
And they documented on the show in search of and it’s cars so that fits within a quarter inch of the walls and it’s just basically a gigantic wall of.
Of the stone and you rotate it back and forth to get in and out and it’s so it’s so well-made that they like a small child can like push it open and closed but it’s you know it’s a 9 ton Boulder.
Let’s see they had to remove it in 1986 because it broke and the band I’d like in the 50s.

[12:11] So in order to fix it it took six men and a 45 ton crane once they move the gay Engineers discovered how we did it.
Here used a drill the hole from top to bottom in the stone and it started a metal shaft in The Rock was actually resting an old truck bearing and probably the reason that it failed was that.
He wasn’t around a toilet anymore and since they didn’t know what type of oil
falling back together nothing new house and working again in

[12:56] Aunts was appear again,
but they say that nowadays it doesn’t rotate white as easily and in some of the pictures you’ll even see it’s fenced off now be honestly a hazard to somebody tries Indiana Jones through that door was closing,
like you’re not stopping that door at some of the idea of why it’s like fenced off now and yeah probably liabil.

[13:19] But you know just how well how well made it was and how well it works for so long and then you know awesome like balance point.
So Coral Castle remains a popular tourist attraction in the area and it’s been featured in books magazine television etc etc.

[13:43] You know a lot of it claims that no one has ever seen him do the work and we’ve already talked about how there were some teenagers that played they so it levitated and reportedly one person you know saw him like worrying the rocks,
there’s a few people,
basically what you see from the pictures as he’s got really light little wooden pulleys and ropes and chains and stuff like that and I actually found a photo of his Tool Shed which is
on the site but it is a whole bunch of like surveying tools and,
chisels and stuff like that so it’s just kinda like it might not even be a mystery so much as just determination and just being really good at,
average rate that’s tell anthony cuz he’s actually in his family was actually a stone mason back a lot the f wit will they would have to be because like the the tower that he lived in the story one,
others no motor in the joints on that,
if you know anything about stonework it’s like that’s really hard to get back to we build something that lasts that doesn’t,
have that ass to be like perfect solutely.
So why Wonder have if anybody’s ever interviewed someone like who was a stonemason from Latvia to ask what what what are your methods and how do you.

[15:08] You know what I mean like you just go to the source if you don’t need the dude I mean you know.
He had friends that he hung out with and stuff like that and I’m working at get to here I have,
an article that mentions like a friend of his that hung out and thinks that the the Paranormal stuff is pretty hilarious just like knowing it’s just that stubborn and determined,
nude on the moon was filmed there which is a 1950s nudist film,
which hilariously enough the full version is available on YouTube please wait to it’s not safe for work,
so just a whole lot of topless women sitting around all the different furniture and stuff Coral Castle Lane while two guys in 1950s space suits or just like.
You don’t even get naked like song that’s like,
a minute and 30 seconds,
yeah that’s all I’m saying.

[16:29] Another kind of snuff film made their 1958 classic film The Wild Women of wongo use Coral Castle is the set for its Dragon God Temple at the like.
Can a 650 is like caveman movie Death by snoo snoo.

[16:54] Let’s see the 1966 children’s musical film Jimmy the Boy Wonder used it as a backdrop for scenes and then obviously the episode castle of secrets on Leonard Nimoy’s program in search of.
That full episode is also on YouTube live link to that the show notes.
History Channel did a segment about it on a course Ancient Aliens in the episode season 8 episode 2 mysterious structures.

[17:21] Interesting Lee Billy Idol 1986 song Sweet 16 was inspired by the story of Lisa and Coral Castle in the back story yet is Sweet 16.

[17:35] Would be because he was my with this girl.
They were engaged to be married she was 10 years younger than him,
and I think she was probably like 16 or so he always affectionately called her my sweet 16,
they have the wedding dates and everything and the day before they’re about to get married she calls off,
being and he is devastated so this man spans than.
Basically the rest of his life erecting this Coral Castle in her honor because he still heartbroken and then the guy literally dies.
Okay so he put a sign on his castle that says going to the hospital and then he goes to this hospital I think somewhere in Miami and he ends up dying three days later how freaking heartbreaking is that.

[18:28] He spent what was what were the years that he spent building the castle I can’t oh my gosh it’s like so he stopped building in 1951 but he started building I want to stay in leg.
1940s because yeah yeah so,
so it’s just.

[18:55] What did I mean so like you’ve been in like fits of like Rage or whatever we’re like you have to like get all that energy out because you know.
You’re really upset about something I don’t think it’s like a rage Castle dinosaurs.
Creative Outlet to express his,
probably his sorrow or just in basically all emotions the go through you go through like a bad breakup and this is the result of then and maybe he was wanting to.
Cleaning the character attention maybe he was just like you know why and is ninety something creative and.

[19:29] This is this is it sometimes you like.
Cuz kinda jealous i wish i could build stuff.
Imagine just living off the grid living castle made out of coral in southern florida and.
Living on like pennies a day but you’re just you don’t care and you just keep keep making castles out of at a choral such a simple life it’s like.
The testimony of his great love for Agnes took him from 1923 to 1951 to complete.
Wow the only other tribute that can compare the Coral Castle guys is the Taj Mahal.
Which is built over 20 years and several thousand slaves as a monument to the king’s wife but this guy did this all by himself over that stretch of time so.
It’s a pretty amazing test match twenty twenty eight years well yeah.
So call Miss Benjamin Radford who with Life Science Blog he’s at he’s a skeptic and a debunker and here’s what he had to say about it it’s tempting to view the amazing park for the veil of Mystery.
In fact we know how the castle was built creating a structure like Coral Castle today could probably be accomplished with a few months of construction with.

[20:52] Within a few months with a construction crew and Modern Machinery but lease can himself did it himself and he did it by using hard work and the principles of Leverage.
All the tools he used to Corey The Rock are on display at Coral Castle like I said that shed is there with all the tools and everything and there are several old fold photos that depict large tripods pulleys and winches would you use to move the blocks.
Zelda quarried stones are very large there actually a lot lighter than they appear because the rock is porous now that was the.
One of the better like skeptical things it was like to explain why this isn’t Supernatural and I don’t think it’s supernatural to be a really like weak argument on several fronts for example.

[21:37] The being like the stones pure large but they’re lighter than you think cuz they’re porous well will a porous 8 ton Stone.
Is still ain’t right,
that’s like that’s not very scientific up you would be appearance at least it’s early like a modern construction crew and a crane and everything else,
but he did it himself it’s like yeah that’s what’s impressive about it right that is the that’s the Gap we’re not connecting here exactly,
with the truck Transmission in it basically to make the stone move perfectly smooth it’s like.
You know what that like I said they had to have a crew of 20 people and 48 ton crane come in and left it out.

[22:23] So I wonder at what point I mean obviously is an impressive feat on by itself but at what point in Florida say.
This is going to be a monument of ours rather than let’s sell this house.
If that’s basically what they did after he died he had no heirs all I found it is Castle in along with the castle and the tools,
was they found a chest with like $3,000 in it which was a lot of money for the time yeah part of it was because he’d sold the land it was originally on for them to build Highway 1 to the government,
okay so became government property yeah so that so basically like eminent domain or you just sold it to the government,
I saw that he actually left before he died he left to his nephew who lived in Michigan and then his nephew sold it to a family in Illinois and then I think then it fell to the state,
so wonder what the value of is on that property.

[23:25] I don’t know but it’s not cuz it’s not family of him that owned it today right and it’s not government anymore today but like in the 50s when but when you have a lot of these like filled cruise and stuff like that that’s that’s when it was basically a public park or a or a while.
So it is it still open to visit it is still open to visit we have linked to its Museum on the the show notes okay so tourist destination that you could like go to when you propose,
I don’t know what the tour cost nowadays but they have brochures in a museum about his life and
he wrote some things some very interesting.
Yeah and what’s funny is no podcaster like show I’ve seen that like gets into like histories of got into this stuff but you actually like wrote a whole bunch of.
Stuff about how.
The week shouldn’t be Anna were talking about a guy who is very like an r and Batman Bruce Wayne to build it all will he didn’t think that,
invalids and the poor and people that they couldn’t provide for themselves should be allowed to vote.

[24:35] When holding hands so that gives you just a flavor of some of his political pamphlets that he would like print along with
call this in heat have the heat and out at the the castle castle,
what was he wasn’t angry dude but it just that he had some interesting political idea see yeah says there are five pamphlets any wrote a book in every home was contains and starts on three subjects,
sweet sixteen domestic and political years and he wrote the pamphlets on magnetic current and his men and best festival and all it contains is leaves on my cycles,
these three panels are available in the gift shop about his his death.
So is that okay so it says in December 1951 and became ill he put a sign on the door of his castle saying go into the hospital,
took a bus to Jackson Memorial in Miami and died three days later in his sleep at the age of 64 after his death and nephew living in Michigan inherited the castle,
1953 shortly before his death and nephews sold the castle so in 1953 shortly before his nephew’s death.

[25:50] He sold the castle to a family from Illinois,
during the switch in the ownership a box of Ed’s personal effects was on containing a set of instructions that led to the discovery of $3,500,
his life was basically his life saving and made a small living giving tours for 10 for 10 and $0.25,
and it’s from the sale is pamphlets and from the sale of the land where US Highway 1 passes.
Passing the castle so US Highway 1 actually passes by the castle so he probably that’s where that comes into play is that he just sold portion of the land debate basically like Highway 1 pass through that one piece of land so that’s probably where the Third.

[26:32] And it doesn’t really playing anything so it’s this but yeah so.
Travis yes being a master of manipulation and,
deception and trickery and whatnot what are your what are your thoughts on this guy how did he do it you think it’s,
being like literally like how did he do it but I’m kind of like what are your thoughts on the you know it’s kind of like we talked about with the magicians that commit their whole life to the event kind of like,
Chung Ling Soo we talked about her son committed to a bit,
so there’s no doubt that he put a lot of work and time into it i don’t doubt that at all,
if I would like some big saying like Okay cool he built this big Stonehouse thing Castle thing how he did it to me is kind of irrelevant but what really kind of.
Makes my gears turn is how he loaded it on the truck to relocate it so it almost makes me think that if I were to do it that because the crew that he hired whatever the truck.
Never actually physically touch the rock the big stone slabs whatever yeah so.

[27:47] I would say that he had them prepped because he prepared all the stuff prior and he said just leave the truck and I’ll load it that it was just Hollow slabs and that he basically shattered them hold them off.
And then had new things that you just build or they’re Hollow and loaded the tree.
The guy said it be lighter and then gets there and then,
I think that would be more work and more complicated than I mean but yeah you’re right,
that was one one of his comments at one point he makes is that,
after doing this he’s pretty sure he knows how the Egyptians built the pyramids and,
I’ll back cuz I mean I don’t mean any Supernatural sense I mean just like using very very simple tools to do it and raise probably just come like oh yeah they could have done what they did.

[28:45] I don’t think they’ve physically measure the weight of every stone in this Castle to know exactly how much all of them weigh.
Or just not as heavy like they yeah cuz they are quite porous so just,
free appear to be I haven’t even been in Florida like sand and like salt everything like that is going to slowly start to fill these pores and it’s going to be heavy enough core I think.
But if you if you could drill a hole through an 8 foot slab of concrete which is very hard to do even today like on a piece of wood.
Yea she could’ve done that all of the new reduce the weight,
expect a lot and you would never know because they’re stacked and unless they’re actually like test drill through the sides of each one to see if they’re Hollow or not which you know they won’t do because it’s their Monument.

[29:40] Don’t know I don’t know if you could lightning significantly enough to make it but yeah it’s a it’s a head-scratcher you know,
go to the Coral Castle and knock on the rocks and tell her Halo Coral Castle in the middle of the night and deface this.
Dino Thunder on your own free will completely without influence from this show and citing you to do illegal activity
we visited the teared up to one of the clear and chisel it just crumbles is hole is actually all salt that’s what songs all sound very light.

[30:17] So yes that is the mystery of Coral Castle so what do you guys think is this the.

[30:25] Super I think this is the most roadside e ish like literally.
Sickly see it and touch it for me till i really really want this if nothing else this is maybe like if i go to if i ever go back to florida will check marks for this hell on earth.
I 100% I don’t care about seeing Disney or Universal writhing I want to go see this yes this is damn cool.

[30:53] This is say i mean we’re seeing some overhead pictures here on the screen but does it say like how many like a creature whatever it is.
Like the compound essentially an aerial view of the place if you can.
Download bit more literally on it,
that’s one of the two giant obelisks.
Parking lot oh yeah parking lot right there no it’s not that big but.
I’m confused and I want to know how much was actually reworked cuz I imagine the slabs everything is.

[31:40] Original but that pavement people are walking on his pretty smooth how much of it is actually original and how much of it just like modern landscape.

[31:57] Because if they had to go in and fix stuff and like restore stuff and.

[32:04] Travis there’s a hole there there’s a hole drilled through one right there.

[32:11] A 30-ton telescope exactly where to look.
I don’t have to but I’m just like your your theory about drilling that is a massive goddamn hole in that thing and it’s a bit I mean it’s a clean hole.

[32:28] And that article title throughout then you would see like inside of it,
yeah and I don’t think that door they actually,
castling it yeah I hope that’s not stairs to the right of it because those are some big step so those are stairs.
I like down into the chasm down into the chasm the only thing I found in one really old video was somebody,
at the top of the stairs he was worried about children falling down the stairs oh nurturing,
yes we actually built a gate that is just one giant,
stone that rolls and then locks and it’s got like a track and then it like rolls into places like there that blocks the stairs a little kids can’t build on it.
I guarantee you never seeing that whole because if you go in and look up it’s Halloween you can see the sky.

[33:40] Wow probably probably not because it looks pretty dark in there there was a reflection on the ground from the water.
And then here are some of his tools so far we’re looking at pictures of the tools I’ll post links to these on the show notes but,
slaughter chains pulleys work plank for clicker met males or metal things i can’t quite yeah i can’t alter death sickle was there there yet there is there’s a circle there.
Which I suppose back that if you look at some of the older photos with the groundskeeping and stuff that’s basically how we like trim stuff back before got all paved fancy and stuff like it is today.

[34:20] Is that the guy who built it right there.

[34:25] If it is in the sold he looks super like,
tall thin unhappy that old that’s the crazy part he’s only,
he died at 6464 back then though is like way 80s now.
Has the fifties arrow i mean i know she’s adele and let genealogy so.

[34:48] Yeah let’s just say I was not that shocked for what’s quick that is that a bell tower pictures of the top one in the middle left this one left.

[35:02] Grass on the other side so it looks like I’m going to say cuz why is it Hollow is that Halle Bell Tower.
I’m not sure what i’m intrigued about every full ac now what
I am at 13 year old boys.
Play some good pictures here in this blog will definitely lincoln yeah do think that the museum’s website yeah museum’s website is,
reading your photos they just lake beaver lake was busy labor camera name in the uploaded the photos i’m intrigued violate the she will,
the shapes that he made are interesting,
like in that photo they’re half a crescent moon the moon and then like the little Lego guy with the hat.
The way it’s totally okay and is.
That’s pretty smooth for him to make compared to every other item in that place is.

[36:26] The star was originally his and then they just made it like a hollywood star type thing yeah say yeah here on a page where,
the page happens to be the bone.

[36:38] Me and blow hard to see there’s also get more shots this tools.

[36:47] I don’t see anything new here just piece of wire looks like on that one secrets of the pyramids secrets,
exactly it’s like entry and i think the whole thing is actually like a huge like planets align rube goldberg thing all the car plants are saying heart since i owe,
the stories from middle of the phone i’ve seen video of oh bill that,
the insights so that it and probably line it with claire something that chest make it water proof gotcha.

[37:23] Alright picture of a Bob was just like basically like a way up close picture of
gotcha that’s really clear water,
jesus christ i wanna live in coral castle it is so beautiful out there’s never mind now afternoon think yeah but yeah billion have a lot of scratches email bose it’s it’s were selling their.
Record the furniture seems like it real hard like at bed the main and a stone as come like.
Yeah a fight because of this no description that pictures just literally is a pineapple.

[38:12] There’s a pineapple there.

[38:17] There’s a whole restricted area what so whole hold the tv and why is now down here a back.
Sorry Bohemian by Etsy I just feel pretty sweet site though.

[38:36] I felt have a photo of it from the air and it didn’t have that pool in it that we saw on this other photo here online.
Slate and without arrogance very crazy horse people are still working on.
She like yours in are really out of it I like how they have a food court now so where would the fountain be a coordinator that star thing would it be bottom.

[39:06] Taking to the Drone photographer.
Now usually well Isaac he’s a drone photographer so he tries like hide himself under something so you don’t see him in the actual photos.
There’s some tourist doordash.

[39:26] Yeah that’s super spooky well down there.

[39:33] Yeah i didn’t wanna go down there trent.

[39:39] So if you could support us on patreon yes we will.
We can debunk the cool coral house thing I will drill a hole for you.
Will not come also for you cuz i’m not about to arrest in florida.
How do I do a family in Florida.
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