Macabre Grimoire Chapter 6 Sideshow, Gaff, and Rogue Taxidermy
Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye
Produced by Robert Mehling and TheSiouxEmpire.com
Voice Over by Dave Holly
Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees
WHAT IS A GAFF?
Taxidermists refer to their made-up creations as gaffs because they are meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder.
While many claim taxidermy gaffs to be forgeries, some gaff taxidermists disagree.
A TAXIDERMIST’S TAKE ON GAFFS
Though many gaff taxidermists are known for their mythical creations, most don’t see it as a means to deceive people. Doug Higley, renowned for his chupacabra gaffs, for example, never meant for his creations to be marketed as “real,” but instead to let people make their own decision about what it is. He famously calls his work the “Chupacabra?” emphasizing the importance of the question mark.
Taxidermy gaffs are a fun suspension of disbelief in taxidermists’ eyes. They want people to have fun imagining the mystery of their creations rather than just being a simple statement of falsehood.
THE FIJI MERMAID
Perhaps the most famous taxidermy gaff, the Fiji mermaid was presented by P. T. Barnum in 1842. By convincing newspapers to do stories on his “real” mermaid, Barnum gained legitimacy for his creation and even managed to stump naturalists for a long while. In the meantime, similar mermaids popped up in smaller sideshows. Researchers now believe Japanese sailors made the original mermaid in 1822 by sewing a monkey torso to a fishtail. Robert Ripley presented the Fiji mermaid at his odditorium in the 1930s, but his presentation debunked the hoax.
The gaff of the American West is the spritely jackalope. The fusion of a rabbit with a deer, these critters are rumored to be so dangerous that frontier hunters were advised to wear metal stovepipes on their legs to keep from being gored.
In Douglas, Wyoming, they even offer jackalope hunting licenses to tourists. Legend has it that jackalopes can only be caught on June 31st—a day that doesn’t exist.
The ac is leaking again after something very differences was intrigued by the word of.
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Yes boobs that’s not on a well played well today we’re talking about a case you niggas sideshows gas and rogue taxidermy,
taxidermy is a by thing alright.
But my dad’s not he’s a into like actually making taxidermy but he has a lot of mounted animals and.
It is so so now is he a hunter yeah oh okay yeah that’s good do he just likes did animals like you know my step dad has a taxidermy need.
[2:04] Albino ring neck pheasant,
and so and it’s the one thing that he actually has taxidermy other at the hands alot that’s like the only thing that he has i’m kinda like,
think ima married hundred as of yet is in be like dead animals everywhere that’s in as it only displayed like a part of the house where everybody can see that basically greets you in the basement yup,
it’s that it’s a basement thing in our house to get his own bar in the basement that is like is gallery for all things mounted so there’ll cram in there.
At one point vijay shot a.
Thirty elk in custer state park and those are like monstrously family hanging cabela’s the take up like a quarter of a room and so he really tried hard to talk mom into breaking the.
The rule that none are allowed above the threshold lease don’t happen she go voice is actually in the basement oh yeah i’m impressed is.
Stay in the basement early got to the basement in it well the reason my dad.
Side story here mate my dental drinking buddy back in the day was in wheel chair so we built this house he built.
A a basement entrance there’s a patio door step cement pad and so it’s really easy to move stuff in and out of the basement is that it opens right into the bar how like to see them for a and moves down the stairs.
[3:28] The stairs of moment house you could do it just be figuring out what door you bring it is still on a holy prophet and even through like a normal size patio door for a white is that.
My goodness antlers itself gotta be it is huge it’s like five feet it out to be my like moving an l couch that doesn’t like separate in the middle so they probably head to lake carefully tingle angle it through and.
You know like move one part through and then step through the movie other while like the size of a small cam.
This is a huge they’re massive and their lease custer state park ones are like exceptionally huge is you can only.
I forgot how that works as a lottery for them and you can only get them tom years is it back in your step dad,
his is not one year but it is it is common knowledge is that carries use know that because my step dad he’s a hunter so when they first got together,
my mom my step dad he was a okay i got me a place and just like in,
need to go hunting for elk and was like some big weekend or whatever my mom was like no and then he’s like you don’t understand that i will never get this chance again so that our eyes and he when he got an easy stay there until that is elk and he just went bear hunting up in canada,
oh yes recently too and that’s another thing birth that’s it’s pretty rare of you to go bear hunting sell it depends on where it is cuz like when.
When my brother gas figured out that you know cuz like hunting is really valuable here in south dakota you got like it good pheasant hunting to so they.
[5:01] The trade off i actually have done a holder like crazy trips from it they got to go i think is it,
salmon fishing in the columbia river not unlike the gigantic salmon and like right on the clit like does that you need special permits for everything and they got do that not was like a life changing experience for him and,
oh and never j and put something else exchange oh they went.
[5:25] What’s he went like fishing for some be kind of like exotic fishing alaska all and eight that was a trip they treated for for hunting and an oj stone that wants for bear hunting in northern minnesota but they got start sure it will likely early start.
Noble okay now they did not see any bears shoes words say no when i step dad went to go bear hunting he had to stay in a ex cement cat in.
Say all the walls and then they can announcements there’s can smell your musical liability thing also gasoline on where was the head of key somewhere okay and then,
mom sends a text message picture of day getting is there i owe you a whose i’m not like.
Damn what kind of person yeah liver leaving missing the picture was still alive.
Well i don’t think they have that much time and so is quick also is not in the.
Dizzy and your please jarvis show of line or taking the sausage so yeah so he’s he’s a hunter and he gives you his tricks like that to.
So yeah so yeah an and obviously as we’re talking here that taxidermy is one of the fates that can befall one of these hundred creatures so.
Everybody kinda just knows what taxidermy israel mount the head are you your like mayor make a bear skin rug whiskey taxidermy is your making something out of a lake hunted animal or trap them all right.
[6:57] What what is calf taxidermy well taxidermy strafford.
To their made up creations wanna make something of its light doesn’t exist in the real world they call it gaff taxidermy.
It’s meant to look and they call it that because it’s meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder i guess that’ll be saying i don’t i don’t know how these work.
[7:22] But well many claim it taxonomy gas are forgeries some gaff taxidermy is taxidermy is disagree.
Here’s a little bit of history with that.
[7:35] Though many calf tax services are know for their mystical creations most don’t see it as a means of deceiving people.
Doug henley renowned for his sugar copper gas which that’s awesome yeah for example never met for his creations to be taken as real but instead to let people make up their own decision about what they are.
He famously calls his work the shoe but com bra with a question mark in it and it s emphasizing the importance of the question mark.
Taxidermy after fun or fun suspension of disbelief in a taxi there missed size.
They want people to have fun imagining this mystery of their creatures rather than just being a simple statement of also it now.
[8:20] Gaffe taxidermy is not always had the most has always been quite that honest and open about what it is one of the most famous hocks years of history perpetrated what is probably the most famous piece of gaff taxidermy.
That is the fiji mermaid which was presented by p t barnum at eighteen forty two.
By convincing newspapers to stories about his real mermaid farm gained legitimacy first creation and even managed to stop natural lists for a while.
In the meantime similar mermaids popped up and other smaller sideshows researchers now believe the japanese sailor mean the original mermaid and eighteen twenty two by selling a monkey torso onto a fish tail.
[9:03] Diver robert ripley of ripley’s believe it or not present at the fiji mermaid as it at his auditorium are yeah auditorium the nineteen thirties.
But the presentation was debunked as a hoax that it was not the original feet what and it was no less than.
We actually we don’t know what happened to the usual fiji mermaid because he claims to have it and so everyone assumed he did and the carbon dated and it can’t be,
or you know did friends x on it and it’s not it’s definitely not the original.
[9:39] And we don’t know what happened to the last thing you at one point they thought of indonesia to like the new york natural history museum well but they checked their like back area where they don’t likes long term stores sensor and they didn’t find it.
Who have it somebody has some nice like that yes it def is like that so that they if they have like a few gas taxidermy is at that museum but none of them are.
You know all them are clearly not the original fiji mermaid are because we see the photos of the mermaid and the one that they do half that was a mess that crazy or whatever its like there not anything alike so.
Yeah not so much.
Here in south dakota where podcast is based there’s a little bit of and this is across the american west i guess i was in a funk this is the south dakota thing guarantee there were widespread.
It’s the sprightly jackalope which is the fusion of a rabbit with of the year.
Honestly these things were around so much when i was growing up but not the actual animal but like people with jack a lope being stuff coffee mugs hats the for the or stuff jackal over mounted actual actual called the area and.
As a little kid i didn’t think they were real but i always like to them for granted that were just like all over the place in inman think of it as like a weird thing that.
You know my dad has a couple of those and the bar downstairs i told me that area so it agent by the way the first in will he ever mounted put that basement was,
was the albino ring neck pheasant he shop so i hope it’s yup i live on ninth of the story was interesting reset the system really.
[11:18] These are when we’re not at all,
it means that we’re supposed to be friends period and taking his is and i know the first was a senior jack a lope and i found there are numerous on the cross country are in texas road house.
Really fun tax returns look at the stuffed animals will see jack loves nice as an elephant and it really grosses me out that he’s watching us all back is one of those things that have an average south.
I do lol oh.
That’s not the deer with handle al of look like kind of like in a single year and the year yeah,
i should explain i’m kind of on some weird but he shouldn’t made about my soaps interfered so i am little weird when the news.
More of them stay that i can hear what’s happening they.
My hands touching buttons lol okay okay sorry i didn’t mean to disturb your okay and so yeah.
[12:21] Like yeah texas roadhouse installed think that now getting and i can move on the moving.
That’s okay where were very sweet talking about jackalope since i am not i was very serious members your service and i thought that jackals are real and then it wasn’t until embarrassingly all,
thank you like this last saturday i was telling my husband about the top of the,
this in the mail has a college i realize the jackals for fake because of the st is you jack rabbits i was laid going to ends at but okay never did anybody that i thought the real and then.
Then they came up that they were fake i just lo que le oh yeah baby i knew that there were something embers in from your friend that something that has everybody that truly being there’s a from yourself yeah.
What’s happening in the bay so many spaces only thing the lake i didn’t find out until really old age.
[13:31] If like monitor is not pronouncement hear let’s made it find out till i was like thirty that.
[13:40] Pow pumpkin is pronounce pumpkin and not pumpkin i’ll,
and i was just like what and my wife is like yeah you see that it’s like the most adorable thing you are now spoken in your has appointed new and and humid saying say to q voices and.
Just like it’s so adorable and was like what he’s like mom i think we really missing the farm and like all as something like that ghastly.
Whoa really just really can still be corrected using a hundred but you always he may be on is hilarious.
[14:21] No shrapnel as a thing that flings something ounces i found a really.
Old age how did you fine out so okay so we were watching a lot of.
I get mythbusters okay and also he told me about.
I he my husband told me about how his dad was hit with some shrapnel,
in the vietnam war that had agent orange on it and then in my goodness watch this whole thing this whole house hose and health issues of can they all resulted in him getting a heart transplant and then.
Dying of eleven years later which was like super duper long for a guy getting a heart transplant in the eighties surrender live that long ever during a heart transplant that’s fantastic so the,
so anyway that wasn’t the sad part separated the agent orange getting hit with that and so he told me,
see you tell me cause legally gagged who shrapnel as a compliment the fake word they were saying it is that eventually i called model twenty shrapnel is a.
Am i busy on tv to the dome where the signal were in his late is it a serious right now mike will,
yeah they say it’s a thing i know its not so we had to go to like being and time to voice my gummy and hum so full of it so.
[15:45] And i think the funniest one of those have ever encountered was my sister joanie i think she headers doctorate shoes of peach tea at this point.
And it isn’t hate me for telling the story but it was late.
[15:58] For some reason our i said something about it was like easter something like that wasn’t about like jesus being jewish inches like what.
[16:08] Jesus was jewish when only was it on my gosh he can be catholic please.
Where is the sewing says he was jewish white.
So i can i give her crap for years and then it wasn’t like he julie.
Jesus was jewish that i hate you up whether she found out you know now vs much later.
Where he’s before the kids and stirred teaching them back off my adorable yeah.
That’s funny but apparently it also adorable the town of douglas wyoming has event every year on june thirty first oh yeah they.
Um they in they drink their city for tourism releases jackalope hunting licenses all of this but the jackals they’re only good for june thirty first nice haha yeah.
It’s okay no other side story here so one christmas one of my sisters got my brother and i didn’t know they made these fake lottery ticket all like scratch lottery and.
So he scratch it off and.
He totally bought him why is it because they look pretty real he thought he won twenty five thousand dollars now if he literally got up from the christmas dinner table and the like.
[17:41] Shaking jumped on my,
like one like and then the other can like irish jake and her is bad and it was just like luke,
just like your cousin was dying or something like that he had tears coming down his eyes are all relieved and happy he flips it over and.
[18:05] It’s like the the text on the back of the ticket is the fine print this yes it’s hilarious cuz it’s all light.
Redeemable only in your dreams ran been sent sent with an attached,
gonna graph copy of the bible to send the closet north pole on syria yeah i’ve i think they have a lot of those that he is on america’s funniest and like every variation there’s like rock prayers be redeemable at your mama’s house and,
stuff like that going on i get so mad resumes the users and dealers so mean cuz lake,
his sleep be here people sit saying programming things and different credit card that you know might be you like always relieve is coming they find out that new with.
Oh it’s so so so sad,
mean it’s kinda funny at first i would on paper of their hilarious but after having witnessed that christmas um i’m just like,
i want to eat twenty worst enemy they last summer i checked the do so them actually at walmart now justin like that she toy i’ll rice like that the yo-yos and stuff.
They think this and think i got one once.
But i was i was an only i just a desert february and then that was it that was the end of it but i think i need the arrow.
Summer yeah scott weird he so what’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen taxidermy i don’t know that this doesn’t actually classifies taxes during but is okay me off.
[19:36] Because you know it’s coming to see thinking of boars pos actually hunts this is not on kind of it was singer of them and was oh yeah.
But there’s a place here in town if he or any of that the store and like advertising like the puppies in a jar i know does that that everything will all the lies and beating inviting money other podcast,
it’s the sioux falls one yeah she’s late every time he poses owes me is like,
ten percent like it and then you just get reamed with the rest of our way and a yeah holy cow cell what is that those puppies are actually stillborn so they’re not like they do look real piece yeah,
i’m in an event like the will the other animals he have like they were already deceased so it’s not like he’s going i’m trying to find dad.
And my cousin she actually loves his work and has purchased many items from him and she delete these stupid papers why is is your sous.
But everything we were that you invite him for this so no sir taxidermy specially yes you leaving and what are we got an id one hundred episode of engine entry on,
yo that information exactly their ego so cs that’s that’s kinda rude story right hand i know a guy deathly cause that huge during the days is like in the news what is going on in,
what jason pope john.
[21:06] That’s number there’s a like kind of ms thing of my buddies and i were talking elton like in high school bonds i couldn’t.
What is a bonsai yeah of buttons i think it is like when it’s tube fed okay in a jar.
Bike and it lives in this jar so it actually grows to be the shape of the jar and has another to for go the bathroom of the other all know,
it is not a real thing that you get all in japanese you will cut their pets hair to be light shade smells different thing um is she search bars i get my you gonna fine like,
peach is a castle lite jar shaped heads killing perfectly round phone now also the miss was that they keep them in jars to until in there baby to the group and their per,
perfectly cylindrical oh my gash i really gotta that’s not real me to bail out of the biggies.
Yeah great my hat and be a little too disturbing for me to live the most random.
I mean i’ve seen random taxidermy like your bars where they have like a hat and.
[22:11] Here’s got like hunter’s cap and a cigarette in its mouth and i’ve seen a few people like jeff foxworthy is tells jokes about.
Going to the kind of place where the.
Where they mount to the to the air holes and have to like gun that killed the year on my own with your hoes and error the jeff foxworthy joke about that this is like as here’s a remington thirty six you’re not passing them manual.
He has everything in any other laying likely your taxidermy and i’ve ever seen besides the outage our stuff that was weird as hell which are jessica and.
[22:48] Yeah i think it absolutely does yeah i know that i go to fuel it for conventions and they will.
I some people take the bones of animals and stuff like that can amount to actually know i have this,
i do miss have were texting a friend of mine her from the get player real quick her shop is called flawed fox creations and liz both,
beautiful and grotesque all the same time we can’t like its like if,
someone was like from the victorian area got ahold of animals and my taxidermy them and mount them on beautiful lake or nate the brains and like dress them up and it will hats and beads and lace and i mean it is,
insane but it’s beautiful and she has a really really good job and it i’ve told are in this lake.
I love the work that you do but it is not me that i could not but that’s that she doesn’t his and,
she is really excited to questions is like a dead squirrel nearby shes like this usually doesn’t like snow and the outside and hurting me rumors logo orders episode or something where some losing my.
Dead animals and is freezer freeze taxidermy and all.
It was like an episode layout for a version of ace ventura pet detective there’s so many like taxidermy animals around him like it was like going into an antique store or is there some piled on god.
[24:21] Happy new year it’s when.
Yeah the service that the deer with the cigarette minor so like when payment redneck compared to the these these letters are going that’s what is my debt is some again as a jackal open bar and then he is also got.
The squirrel that but was too fat and is stuck in the tree.
[24:44] Nice this is the bake button squirrel but like all marley tree around that’s what like when the fixtures and is bar i think you should be deville marley tree.
Yeah i went to discuss world but it will grow but be you’d screw be very well.
Yeah tenant rights and stuff purse posts on our page as sisters are honestly don’t know.
Where’s people’s ambitions and motives flight not now cx and yeah i get data science to it and when the like originally was somebody’s first idea saying.
I’m making sustainable forever.
[25:26] I’m on a guess that it’s crazy trophy yeah will be like the modern.
We’re talking like six fifteen sixteen hundreds modern quit in the air would be trophy hunting in like the monthly rate aristocracy in europe and stuff the dinner like a trial and error of actually preserving it like.
Oh it’s a general all come home two days later this is kind of jello hanging on the wall well yeah part part that is the.
[25:55] I mean if you ever been to a taxidermy shop and see how they don’t know i’ve not how to do it okay there is no light of fluids like it’s all dreamed will there’s no meat.
Right there’s its litterally nowadays it’s literally a plastic.
Cast kind of thing and then they just it’s basically like the skin so basically the for yet cuz like the eyes are glass the tongue is rubber and then he alot of air brushing on the for to get the color of light just right and.
Yes which is like the antlers and the fur are like the only actual thing that go into it like a lot of them the skull doesn’t even though i like into it anymore allow.
But yeah that’s the other thing is you can have like is that look was really popular in the taxidermy world for awhile some again has a bunch of like.
Deer skulls are elks cultures of like that that are have like a really cool a dream catcher can a thing like air rushing out to them on and then it just like the white skull with the painting and then the big antlers and so obviously that is like that the real scholar whatever but.
[26:59] Yeah there’s there’s actually now a days there’s not a lot to it and in the old days my understanding is that was just like sachs a strong as with the use of her and arsenic or do they do that for just a backing to the.
The furnace can oh yeah there’s that will they tn if why okay you have so that its like its like a fur like if you get like a rabbit skin and.
But tir shop west river or something like that animal furs with all soft on both sides you know that’s what they do to it basically i think it’s.
And some taxes harris is a stomach disorder all what we do for a white male in and tell us all about it so my brothers he works at the.
That’s mini museum downtown for the called heritage museum that was called sher score of the other house museum only activates actually amount of it so i.
when i first were there and i was like in fourth grade i was had by myself touring the museum and i took a wrong turn and i came face to face with this huge s buffalo and it,
freaked me the fuck out and at and i’ve been terrified of ever setting foot back in that museum again because of this buffalo well then fast forward several years later and now it’s is,
is buffalo again i’m missing and it was a lot smaller which good has now i remember now sleep i was pretty little self.
Pointed out to my brother he was like yeah i don’t touch that because that’s covered in our snake and that’s just really dangerous but they still keep it there because of an antique now.
So who okay yeah so so the order on to that for as museum the sea level it scared the pants off me and then there’s another one.
Always and bring up at least the bears and stuffy shields alley at the surf filter tax during are paying.
Ever fake about the the the bears shields doesn’t be real he thinks yeah yes the fuse we legally real.
To reiterate you shouldn’t touch taxidermy animals because they are like toxic my knowing they have the center of his leg.
A photo booth sides and the thing is probably fake okay that that may be the night of it i have it and haven’t seen the bears your talking about like i am,
but like when you see amount in the speak displays the defense office of like a balance where the home of animals and half that’s all.
[29:28] What new pets and can i say handling how is the reasons you add them they close doors at night in the museum is,
I don’t know that dead animal bodies it between like growing up around that and then like when i go back for christmases.
Usually my siblings that have kids get the all the spare bedrooms downstairs so i’m usually on a futon on our underneath all the mounted animal so i like literally like i fell asleep in their elk is like.
I can’t remember this way i can sit up completely straight in the food on or i will hit the very very bottom of the hallway so nice the companies that the severed head and i can’t handle that you know i can handle seeing it down its opposite all.
[30:18] Blood in my before pictures and my jason than freddie surrounding like i’m fine there i can have the apple falls,
i remember watching and how was last at road house with patrick swayze you know he has a guy that that breaking for it never colored cares names now.
The bad guy basically one of his assistants are was whatever was always afraid to go into a trophy room.
Where is full of taxidermy and stuff and what not shaking in my staring at the walls karen shotgun.
Dial in at the end of their fellow human security and you mall and of them you this night taxidermy that you have here in the office.
Now that would not be it the live in is a red real so not tags are real of you could that mean felons and yet is and we have been.
They’re really tiny night and.
How will one for halloween i put a gigantic alley d,
remote control light display and had the figured out the head is actually just attached to the debt control there’s a,
he can drop stuff all the way through him oh wow but it’s still deep enough that i can get that lighting back out of their change batteries what so lesson learned back for the.
[31:41] At some locations my are they down and shit all i have button that actually could try that.
Is there any chance i can earn for free right they do for an apartment in.
I would like to order the machine the money but my answer was i was going to stick with.
This is really interesting radio i was going to get a stick and put some tape on the end of it and now it is gone it that way cuz it’s only get pennies keep falling in my all my plug in and my car and i.
You know for my phone charger.
I want to change in there and i certainly fall into that the cigarette lighter thought i drive the dining at once and it actually sparta to cross that i wouldn’t think moving never seen happen one time actually or defrost.
What will our current weight where it are playing what was sold honda negative and will yeah and somehow it fell just red like it like scores that downtime.
Mike will not return and get that anymore so far as i know that can actually do that i probably wouldn’t have been as.
[32:43] Zealous as i was when i pursuit that in like eric eric eric ramming my probably metal rod thing i was using to try and get the the penny out of their.
Let me look tell that you actually feeling but i mean still get the car battery it just like in my hurt you that is not gonna kill yeah yeah.
Was it like it’s your heart just right or something like that that in itself makes me that was in a unit your heart and gas what’s her second do those things.
Well that’s okay question if you could taxidermy anything with the two things the whiskey oh joy them together.
Or multiple things weird um that’s a tough one it is a stuff when they think i’m gonna go with.
But did it make it convincing casts a quarrel where the snake that completely covering tropical bird feathers and all i all or i’m gonna go with keeping my theme of birds here i’m gonna get.
I don’t remember what this creatures call from greek mythology but it’s the that cock it’s a chicken.
With like slightly bigger claws and its head is like three feet of snake neck and a snake at.
Oh it’s just i forget ice of cinnamon leaks it doesn’t smell.
Yeah that sounds close to it okay but but yeah i’ve seen those before in light.
You know frescoes and stuff like that and then just like that would be cool but i think i’m going to cut squirrel can keep with my central america theme that a half with stuff so and yes.
[34:20] Alright you lose something like.
And phoebe is yeah yeah i’m thinking like her know it have to be like.
Stronger mixed was lie to make sense of the user to be like water.
[34:41] Yeah we an even surface given to like fish stores we this we talked about like you know the mermaids or whatever being like part fish but yeah the the whole mounting fish thing is like a whole world of its own cuz,
i only meant like that i’ve never seen taxidermy i don’t know how they do that it is.
Can we fish freak me the fuck out yeah they’re they’re weird especially like kinda remember when we were growing up grandpa robert was letting before dad had so much stuff even know what to do with.
He just had like sixty your heads and blake the pheasant on.
Some decent bunch of stuff like that there was one big panel on the wall that was grant roberts biggest fish he ever got in that state in there for probably like ten years before it finally took that back and put that in his cabin in city but it’s a big northern and.
[35:29] The way it’s mounted it’s like you could see inside of it see the girls and you can like series all the way back into in stuffings like.
That was was while i was a kid i’m so we super fascinated with that yeah yeah.
I know i was like seeing like swordfish stuff like those are of which religion is is.
[35:51] Yeah i don’t know what i would text me pro something funny looking thing is spader in the monkey in the middle of the monkeys are ready.
But i know that way hydraulic spare related like a d and d spider monkey and i are like bottom half of and the pot be great when the scorpion and a bit of money in our the scorpion hamster that would.
Freeway at the monkey torso was like giant spider legs wrapping around yeah he sat.
Come amaze that we and like beer often to mommy’s some point in this but i figure part of it is that that topic is.
Will work for one thing there’s a million kinds of of mommy’s it’s like will probably do episodes that are like just them in.
Mommy is just the ink on that’s just the egyptian eccentric cetera,
yeah we have so much to me in this whole huge apology in it mean like there’s a all white subset of things and around that there’s one guy i’m thinking of that a knife,
figured i do an episode about him at some point it but i’m trying but he when i think of him i think of taxidermy.
And i’m trying to remember cuz of what he he it is that he’s the one it like that cambridge university or where he had is his,
he came up with the event is on technique to preserve his head in to preserve his body me donate his body to the university and he wanted to use one of these great thinkers the light meant and he will he thought it was a waste that we throw bodies into the ground to strat.
[37:22] On the other like fascinating machines and stuff so he came up with this idea that.
You would have symposium is with the dead where you would preserve the bodies of your like great thinkers and.
You know like famous professors and stuff like not share and then you bring them out of special occasions having to do with their topic click each apology or whatever the study physics tray yeah and you have like someone speak for and represent the body but have them like,
sitting in station in the lecture whatever and people to beat that the issue back and forth and stuff like that and i’m trying to remember what the guys name is.
[37:59] How do even google something like that are in.
She and there was a reality show journey bend them that’s when thinking of.
And i love the first article that comes up is journey buttons preserved corpse will haunt your nightmares and yet the dead body at the hall of london university.
[38:25] So the thing that went wrong is they have a pc so in keeping with his will and is.
You know like grand scheme or whatever yeah.
They have his body in a cabinet but it’s a wax head but it is like is mummified body or whatever and so they will bring it out thinking halloween the bring it now and they do a symposium sulfites it it like he wanted yeah,
but he wanted he came up with this technique with all this like waxen weird stuff to preserve his head like it look supposedly we answer and.
And yeah haha yeah it it didn’t turn out so well so he still have his head,
and that’s on a platter it’s like not displayed or whatever yeah but it’s hot in there its yeah it is,
nightmare fuel like to the extreme cuz it looks worse than if they just let it like decompose into like a skull,
awe when do to see it looks like this will it make a terrible pose and.
Brown but waxy this is really gross this issue it yeah gross.
There’s something that him am in house of your and calendar that was something like that with all that they can keep was like the head and i.
And the picture of the handle my calendar why does calendar third article here’s an atlas obscure article i benny was germ event them.
That sounds familiar yeah the head of.
[39:58] Oh their ego hell wasn’t full yeah i’ve if this is the the guy in those are clearly class size but the head is super.
[40:07] Super gross lol thank is me eric lane is louis really hard why wide and i look.
[40:17] Well have you guys ever heard of young because of the human body i have.
What is the name for the human body explore whatever and it’s like he’s so,
it’s like basically there’s a bunch of different bodies they that they taxidermy than the sensor is he like that down the road we will do a whole song about bonnie’s began to extremely controversial yes and there’s a whole bunch of.
Mystery as to where those bodies came from and there are only mean because the german designer guy that created the bodies display.
It was a really big controversy cuz he bought them as medical supplies from china oh and it’s very.
Brava bleed where did you live at eighty percent that they were like political prisoners executed for the chinese government and not,
when they do that they don’t let your family have your body wherever and is usually don’t sell it but that’s a china does their organ donation system is that the builders takeout political prisoner execute them on their.
Give their or it’s like a party member something like that i mean it just like really sick election is be training partner and we forget about him it’s wear and suffice.
It’s still pretty fucked up over there’s further justice system and stuff like that so.
[41:36] The eu like the world court subject that they went after the german guy that designed bodies specifically because there light.
This violates our universal code of human rights because these people there’s no way these people consented to this and.
Have their bodies sold in the preserve forever for it for a display and something,
i don’t know how it was resolved but yeah and that’s part of the reason why i had a chance to see it and amanda really wanna see it live when we were in las vegas and.
It wouldn’t do it it is i i mean it’s silly.
But i have like a moral objection to that are in the display ceiling when the kids you falls i was like i kinda wanna see that we as ever at the time,
girl and it and i was thinking how cool that you’re all these people do any devices science servers research center sarah is the new display if like beef do you know is now is people that were to blink donated right.
[42:35] Think i’ll originally went from year and it was like two were in europe and stuff like that right national designer and creator of death just remember he was the nineties but i wanna see like the early oughts it just been a really big media kerfuffle about.
Raise the body’s came from cuz i know when.
I know it is usd they have a cadaver lab all those people definitely only had like hard yes i wanna be my by use for science the scientific purposes so do whatever you want it,
we blueberries and what not so i mean so would it so that’s why i like oh let me sense that.
This is probably you know of a product of a similar program where people to set yeah i’m using my by everyday do whatever.
And put that that have that means it does look different if it’s that they didn’t consent basically forcing do it.
[43:32] Yeah i’m on their website and there’s absolutely no surprise surprise is absolutely nothing about how they how that works as far as the.
The legal part of it for the body suggests the cities where they have displays going las vegas in atlanta georgia buy your tickets now.
Console gross yeah vesicular and and things off our all night i.
[44:00] Yeah with if that okay on you stop looking at that but that’s all we ever made yeah man.
So this is my man is actually in banff alberta canada and is carrying off of my calendar from at was obscure.
That’s some that really nicely it says in a glass case that the band indian trading post looks like the back end of a snapper fish glued to the top half of a desiccated monkey and is a god that’s exactly what it looks like.
Test of white here clean to the three foot long they needed point nine liter creatures me seated form one left hand reaches out as of in the throes of death maniacal grin bears two rows of tiny point to t.
This is the band for a man the legend of the merman because of norman kale extend the founder of the indian trading post and the sign of the goat curio shop,
accounts of its origin differ but of following of a help but fall in the field around the world canoe trip which that,
doesn’t surprise me it would fail.
From nineteen fifteen locks and either caught or bought the hokey looking man beast or maybe he just killed himself so no worries pressure like how he got every handle,
on this merman or where it came from but its kinda like the p t barnum merman it just.
Looks really super duper interesting but it says that mom a favor means have a long history with some dating back centuries but they really hit their stride as part of the pt burnham circuit.
[45:32] Um back an he eighteen forty five and then it locks stands remade came kim about in ninth nineteen fifteen so what is that like thirty years later.
Don’t like that so.
Say yes only three long waylon this is a written lease anything think you see,
but today there are several home a favor needs to be found of various appearances in all regions from japanese temples to seattle he old curiosity shop but banff may have,
may have the only merman.
So oh so this is the male lion vs everything else being email so that was special about them yes so.
[46:17] So yeah but this has kinda funny i kinda think he might’ve.
[46:21] Games medical joins made himself and it looks really gross than a pass that it looks like some good sex and i was really bad it you know crafts can i put together the reaction ahead with that one is that it is.
Not well-made gas like it’s very it’s like if i try to make him or his great great.
So following of because i brought that up on it i wanted to follow up with facts about the bodies display.
Eight that controversy is not settled all moved home yeah concert in race but the prevailing to the bodies.
Hmm let’s see in two thousand five us.
[47:03] The us for attorney general expressed opinion that states were approval should be required for this display um.
The four against having a ten exit in tampa florida so,
but really it’s at where it’s at in some places because i passed laws against it lol and all that and one of his release two in two thousand six the new york times and twenty twenty teamed up and did a investigation showing that a lot of it was black market.
[47:30] So was in the government like little prisoners it was just like black markets we have no idea where they came from all kinds hours and like i didn’t realize cuz addressing display they have children so the catholic church is raised concerns about.
Like will how do they get children cadavers and the children can’t really consent to that and it’s bomb.
Yeah and it goes on with after the twenty twenty investigation an investigation by the new york attorney general of time intercom wall.
The at the display ceo or any color had to resign in disgrace on.
[48:09] There was a investigation and subsequent settlement to two thousand eight um.
[48:19] Let’s see this this article says that the front page of the exhibition website casts a disclaimer about.
The origins of the bodies and stuff like that talking about this but.
I was just on their site and could not find the disclaimer so one of the he has died down of ten years are all sure that it’s not as big a deal or something but yeah cuz there’s nothing on their website they see about it but.
There’s clearly a lot here yeah on rumors of organ harvesting from a long gone numbers in china and will.
Aw that’s really breaks me heart that’s as late as it is twenty seventeen republic there was a giant oh cry by medical professionals in prague about the exhibition coming there.
I believe that i mean yeah if it’s that shady in that country basically lady they can’t tell you live where the bodies came from.
Yell and after twenty twenty investigation apparently there’s a really good chance that they were like.
Not ethically sourced you all of you though its like you know most people are like the ethically sourced.
Chicken and stuff like that honestly he’s people for got secretes order with ian’s or late party like that settlement dimensions that.
The switch down it’s not even real anymore.
Yeah i don’t know with the possibility of just not actually releasing that information publicly now.
[49:50] And you would be impossible to fake but gray and there’s a lot of things to like.
[49:57] Set a could technically be listed as a science thing in the,
well that’s how they marketing is that is a science thing me and i mean i could be where they get their licensing and it’s all actually permitted that they could come from donors essentially organ donors,
yeah i’m wondering is going for the did that or how that yeah work but like i said according to this no they have not.
I mean they basically did an undisclosed settlement with the stay in your working clothes there display their and now i have one and one in atlanta georgia and one in las vegas nevada.
[50:31] Hello to.
Hopefully i don’t know part of me will i am leaving note thing clicks hopefully you know it it shut down but i kind of like my cousin fascinating to be a follow up a person on that one just as we.
Learn more about it to say hi i mean it’s a controversy and he was out there but until we’re talking about taxidermy it didn’t cross my mind rain rain.
[50:54] But yeah so what other sites show taxidermy and stuff like that it by mean there’s lots of sight your taxidermy obviously.
Travis in your wanderings of you.
Encounter any any like interesting sideshow taxidermy i have it but it makes me think so like when using the word sideshow like what is gonna happen if people like the enigma.
[51:19] They do there so much like more than one from cells to actually be on display install it mean she ten to the base.
Higher body yeah so why couldn’t she pump or is it all a i don’t know he is he thousands of miles though he’s you quite often in here.
That be pretty funny if he was just like.
No i want a proper christian burial my body served and is like absolutely no that’s you know that’s mean i seen people who have of like and don’t other loser and.
Alterations were they split their tongue sec all different things like that i always wondered like we do this later revealed that sunday we are one half it’s probably neck and where.
[52:07] I think that a lot about body modifications of them was just like yeah there’s a lot of people see when they are late to the gauges and stuff yeah yeah there’s an look new looks sixty yeah exactly it’s.
I was the one that you don’t even like there some person ordering turn starting right now worry where and.
You won’t have to take out the gauges ks i don’t know whether policy is on that they think it was there it was there that the first couple days i think i’ve area of surface,
ignorance what is a gauge his following hole in here that’s what those are bad also and the freezer seen someone who were must of light fell out or if there’s something so yeah is to tear things that.
Hey we’re getting celsius your peers lines and still with the sisters now looking into you so.
Use like synthetic the rooms in like a little drizzle on a broom and come short.
Like every day so just add like two or three action brussels to stretch out the size and all i see share share so is this is the plastic piece that can they.
Yeah one thing i’ve always wanted to do but again goes back to where i don’t want to be there for me when i get older gas because robert seen the do the needle through the hand where i legit put a needle all the way through my hand to the back out the front.
One of the things i wanna do is actually for a friend to hands together.
And have like a card or for the in between rs and possible for me to get to orange is somebody to pick what’s hidden inside my head and have them cut the strings and pulsar.
[53:40] He took a loan bowl in order to do i have to dj my team.
I legit would it be if i had a la village il hold it all the time.
I mean yeah lets during your hands good to see a friendly little will hold my heat in the,
i only wanted for this moving great become of,
i mean the door catch water in your hands up like that it falls through the middle sixes english have driving right hand car i could live with that mean on a couple is strong enough still.
Book it for the love straight love you get pulled over with that and just be like,
what is the going to town to go and see your acting is here your memoir and now blake i just really wanted to do it for a one,
the one time that was it this one though the one reaction is simply a resume and cover your eyes peeking when each,
all i really really want to figure out how to thread together and he slipped through the biggest show flip a coin me like,
heads or tails of mastering in the.
Wait so late rent the whole place basically computers your for your hand yeah and it’s safe.
Yeah the decision me this get yeah his would i use a lighter in the tattoo shop selling them to someone flea so this is like say for medically approved right.
[55:13] Yeah it is your can you say things like is that you can hear the reason of used heels and oh i just did hose from show leg last month and made had added three back to back shows and i did.
Three times of the dream like you know.
Not the way he does it have to have you.
This just isn’t for in your hand that is always dead center beat if you follow your middle finger and index finger down.
The tendency the middle of your hand yeah in between those tenancy pressed of in relation to finally double cavity yeah that’s all the.
Is no blood flow reset or.
I think it had to be something like that yeah that’s what i wanted to suzanne hundred percent legit there’s been times where i’ve missed it ten mins of bone.
When i put the center my heating comes over by my phone because like she is hers.
When does witches nine pontiac syntax yeah sensor is it akward sterilize everything rainy.
Yeah well i use to sew would be very very serious i liked i liked your response there two blue yeah,
so i use i use to okay using with actual alcohol swab might meals we’re medically seal mode because i would come across a very serious thing am alcohol swabs on the table and.
[56:45] Open your shows new york and tara from the slot one doing and i say it’s very important that i’m safe here.
I need to make sure everything is clean so that i remove my glasses of all subjects that lives white.
What setting to go see what i’m doing so that he’s awesome and it doesn’t mean and what is the only tuesdays glasses up says that it is a.
Lies hallway and the visitors are real this is really hard know the first time i did it was courses very slow and nervous area.
But the first time accidental with you my hand is like the most you for feeling ever like my hand like we thought like you just had an hour massage.
Seriously it function yeah zuber acupuncture in your legs she really can do everything with his hand play dark when my back and bruises adjustment is.
Take me to mom’s all my guys sell okay so what did you coming to practice the hand thing before you but show people inhaling those were the angle i’m home personally okay tuesday good terribly wrong and if it does.
I want people to see you like french people yeah don’t know i did everything i need to reverse that shit visible is so differs me labeled like i really don’t when you.
Okay yeah you feel a ball.
More italiana sleeping that think is fit most famous for his business for on the podcasts because we are so obsessed with that the first time they came on yet and we’re all like trying to guess how we get it down and so.
[58:24] I was trying to guess the candy it was a candy shop in the glass and so when i said that uses like why tell you what you pick the label.
And when is terry labels for snacks no the only.
It was blown out lee there’s so what happens when they get rid of all the incandescent bali the halogen you ninety like is reaching out all the things to do like wine glasses of merlot dishes,
i prefer do liable because i can show on stage of a dude in a performance and frankly some really cool yeah and i choose to cool to no avail never one hundred percent be rid of.
What could incandescent light bulbs completely serviced oasis where they have to have them check so that when you do you swallow it,
yeah that’s for heating it doesn’t look i’m sure it’s the thought are you passengers turns out of milage.
Wearing its final time he has a new pastor hears this likely happens the glass and your body is.
So it’s a no fuse the sun surgery and use the science behind please glasses simply made a sand,
yes okay so he chew it fine and nothing is returns back to saying.
No yes yes a really fine powder but you have to chew a lot you like once you engage count and i can choose is usually it know i just keep going till feels like i just a spoonful sugar basically that’s real grainy in my mouth all.
And then just swish it swish dose of water yeah i’m good.
[59:58] But glass lee cuts in a slicing motion gray okay so i can i have to choose directly like my teeth straight up and down i can’t let you looking to again where glass.
And i can’t use my tom to switch around of it and place yeah later random he get can like.
My baby suddenly cheese with in la back in so once it’s completely chewed add to fill my mouth will water i switch around of the water everything take care of an industrial bacons lol.
[1:00:26] Now there was an asians because i got to a point for let my audience choose the glass of oj and one time they chose a fairly large.
Piece of glass goes down wagering that is so that.
Will do have a way out of that if they do that again okay because it takes so long to actually chew it entire label them like this break it flooded piece,
and i need gotta insole the game is fairly large piece of ham and staging can’t back down till is he this whole thing it took a while i was in a hurry and emily is getting bored cell is this lol.
So the next day like i poop glass like that was a legit.
Terrible terrible experience a handful of la or the just plain wasn’t painful and pooped and then look graphic your when one of the wives a glass it’s exactly what hat.
Yeah so now when they take a big piece of glass and break in am aq you want some and then i have my smaller piece that will take a.
When that jackass knowledge of year i can’t do i just appoints be added to a glass for.
Give me a sec guys a little bit but can we talk that like other metric for that is more stage craft than it is actual like.
Safety about eating that much what is rate yeah funny thing is the first time i did it like i’m not gonna do it like the first time i use i wanna do home stays like.
Joey prepares all to do is to read how to do it right okay so i did that like as mentally prepared much more than actually thought i really need to be yeah.
[1:01:58] Invite are i’m not doing to stage times if it goes wrong alleyway mess up once and it was so well everybody’s like,
you bobby liable and in this like every show i’m evil eyeball now all cash only williams labelled so does the glass forgot you like the and then the middle five k is that was in question.
At three she working email that will come out well elegantly when and a while and know that legions groups.
[1:02:30] The smaller certainly need still run the risk a lot of internal damage yeah yeah.
Ss and eating taxidermy in the sun are have you even find a lot of skin fishing stuff.
Well having the oven interesting life which means that you’ll be like front center and the bodies display her fix the stove ticket for china to all i hope that they have layed flip me inside out.
[1:03:01] Show all the glass or and yeah the thing is glass mean.
I go with you tell your doctor the glass lid dentists all and would you guys there like we were and recommend a mica would regulate when i go into third to may denizen my.
Here’s the deal this is what i do my probation.
Do not lecture me about my tees because like the enamel everything isn’t so scratched up and so got all sure serially be schooling to left and right back half nineties are just terrible like they’re all there yeah after just,
and terrible terrible condition.
Adventures are in your future yet the first time actually did the glass eating is like three weeks before i fill a cavity coming on shift and mike.
I’m just getting this tooth pulled because i am not having glass stuck inside a cavity and of fitting in so when we to the dentist said he and the pulled to so it was a character in my nose pull it and it will.
Yo mike for saying those gonna be susan three weeks and the like way of you’d shoe and stuff like that might.
I’m eating glass and like i don’t like.
Pack my goals of glass in the heels over a and i have with that so this is a van most most metal conversation with her dentist and error yeah.
has actually was acting of though said that when can we performed in premonition live at the orpheum as the first time i did he do with goes wrong like them in a bleed on stage.
He’s do that so metal yours yet they does it now.
[1:04:36] Has a flashing but does he do that i don’t think he does often as i do the stickers say,
as in that’s your bitch you got your gonna have beef with him if you like the idea too far it no use doing i seen posts on social media about like he live all on my.
Yeah let’s fix i’m tired doing yes like honestly.
I’d like to outsource the label heating core to this point for me it’s mundane so it’s like you know honestly.
Bit middle of your show and this is my in turn molly it’s her first day she’ll be eating like well yeah following assets in its.
[1:05:14] Smells friday canaveral it is call and alot of things.
One of the things i wanna do this in a guy if he actually took wicked clear plastic to like almost like an aquarium too yeah he put it through his nose as mouse which is up now again.
That it is like fifty feet of it and then you are completely wrapped himself with it and then put it plugged into a milk picture on top of the ladder and impose like a living statue an open the valve.
And the milk was are all these tubes in his nose and and screwed out of his mouth and fill the cup.
It’s not on the fountain stage you let that is awesome drake in the in which people think is gross but it’s stones and a two bolt gas early like.
We have a lot of prayers such that to yeah so i have says like a terrible gag reflex and i want to do it so i can hardly do the nail and those now too that would be so awesome only wish.
Who is it in and they said we record i’ll do the needle for you okay and that’s their.
[1:06:27] So i think we’re gonna wrap set this up nineteen jeans gray has an.
I have i think we’re gonna take that conversation make that are apple log if that’s cool with you and nelia so.
Welcome back where they wrap up this episode for you but be sure to check out the copper more patria on if you’d like to hear a whole bunch of stuff about,
different mahdi of body modification things and body tricks that travis is done and a little behind the scenes on some.
[1:06:57] And a body for magic that’s not right click blood man to put his hands called the magic.
Oh shirt jackie click from this freak show okay so steve and jake so how about this every get some video up and will put on a picture of yours and you can tell all that is a very modest a really deep magic is ninety percent of its legit,
so geek starts i guess marissa got five different to that of you drain interpretation’s only and has.
So far so thanks for listening everybody and next time speaking of magic we’re gonna go we’re gonna take a historical deep dive on one on the obscure in very weird magician from the turn of the century you cross,
crosses paths with.
A number of great and famous magicians including harry houdini and yeah it’s a really fascinating history and we will tell you all about it next time on macabre more wall lol.