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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 6 Sideshow, Gaff, and Rogue Taxidermy

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 6 Sideshow, Gaff, and Rogue Taxidermy

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Taxidermists refer to their made-up creations as gaffs because they are meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder.

While many claim taxidermy gaffs to be forgeries, some gaff taxidermists disagree.

Though many gaff taxidermists are known for their mythical creations, most don’t see it as a means to deceive people. Doug Higley, renowned for his chupacabra gaffs, for example, never meant for his creations to be marketed as “real,” but instead to let people make their own decision about what it is. He famously calls his work the “Chupacabra?” emphasizing the importance of the question mark.


Taxidermy gaffs are a fun suspension of disbelief in taxidermists’ eyes. They want people to have fun imagining the mystery of their creations rather than just being a simple statement of falsehood.

Perhaps the most famous taxidermy gaff, the Fiji mermaid was presented by P. T. Barnum in 1842. By convincing newspapers to do stories on his “real” mermaid, Barnum gained legitimacy for his creation and even managed to stump naturalists for a long while. In the meantime, similar mermaids popped up in smaller sideshows.  Researchers now believe Japanese sailors made the original mermaid in 1822 by sewing a monkey torso to a fishtail. Robert Ripley presented the Fiji mermaid at his odditorium in the 1930s, but his presentation debunked the hoax.


The gaff of the American West is the spritely jackalope. The fusion of a rabbit with a deer, these critters are rumored to be so dangerous that frontier hunters were advised to wear metal stovepipes on their legs to keep from being gored.

In Douglas, Wyoming, they even offer jackalope hunting licenses to tourists. Legend has it that jackalopes can only be caught on June 31st—a day that doesn’t exist.



Machine Transcript
[0:26] But not sure it’s six sites show gas and broke taxidermy what.
The ac is leaking again after something very differences was intrigued by the word of.
What whatever it in magic gaff is like a mistake great no it’s actually a hidden item that the onion sees the don’t know it’s trickery oh okay new tilley like james bond of is.
Exploding sticking interesting so confuse so play the scene for me like what do you mean later seen him you.
[1:03] Rustic piece of pencil lead lemon tree okay app with it died piece of parchment paper.
[1:12] Of land and i have you write something down folded.
What you don’t know is that pain just electronically sent me the signal to tell me what are the road it like at you at all when i wrote out.
Yes boobs that’s not on a well played well today we’re talking about a case you niggas sideshows gas and rogue taxidermy,
taxidermy is a by thing alright.
But my dad’s not he’s a into like actually making taxidermy but he has a lot of mounted animals and.
It is so so now is he a hunter yeah oh okay yeah that’s good do he just likes did animals like you know my step dad has a taxidermy need.
[2:04] Albino ring neck pheasant,
and so and it’s the one thing that he actually has taxidermy other at the hands alot that’s like the only thing that he has i’m kinda like,
think ima married hundred as of yet is in be like dead animals everywhere that’s in as it only displayed like a part of the house where everybody can see that basically greets you in the basement yup,
it’s that it’s a basement thing in our house to get his own bar in the basement that is like is gallery for all things mounted so there’ll cram in there.
At one point vijay shot a.
Thirty elk in custer state park and those are like monstrously family hanging cabela’s the take up like a quarter of a room and so he really tried hard to talk mom into breaking the.
The rule that none are allowed above the threshold lease don’t happen she go voice is actually in the basement oh yeah i’m impressed is.
Stay in the basement early got to the basement in it well the reason my dad.
Side story here mate my dental drinking buddy back in the day was in wheel chair so we built this house he built.
A a basement entrance there’s a patio door step cement pad and so it’s really easy to move stuff in and out of the basement is that it opens right into the bar how like to see them for a and moves down the stairs.
[3:28] The stairs of moment house you could do it just be figuring out what door you bring it is still on a holy prophet and even through like a normal size patio door for a white is that.
My goodness antlers itself gotta be it is huge it’s like five feet it out to be my like moving an l couch that doesn’t like separate in the middle so they probably head to lake carefully tingle angle it through and.
You know like move one part through and then step through the movie other while like the size of a small cam.
This is a huge they’re massive and their lease custer state park ones are like exceptionally huge is you can only.
I forgot how that works as a lottery for them and you can only get them tom years is it back in your step dad,
his is not one year but it is it is common knowledge is that carries use know that because my step dad he’s a hunter so when they first got together,
my mom my step dad he was a okay i got me a place and just like in,
need to go hunting for elk and was like some big weekend or whatever my mom was like no and then he’s like you don’t understand that i will never get this chance again so that our eyes and he when he got an easy stay there until that is elk and he just went bear hunting up in canada,
oh yes recently too and that’s another thing birth that’s it’s pretty rare of you to go bear hunting sell it depends on where it is cuz like when.
When my brother gas figured out that you know cuz like hunting is really valuable here in south dakota you got like it good pheasant hunting to so they.
[5:01] The trade off i actually have done a holder like crazy trips from it they got to go i think is it,
salmon fishing in the columbia river not unlike the gigantic salmon and like right on the clit like does that you need special permits for everything and they got do that not was like a life changing experience for him and,
oh and never j and put something else exchange oh they went.
[5:25] What’s he went like fishing for some be kind of like exotic fishing alaska all and eight that was a trip they treated for for hunting and an oj stone that wants for bear hunting in northern minnesota but they got start sure it will likely early start.
Noble okay now they did not see any bears shoes words say no when i step dad went to go bear hunting he had to stay in a ex cement cat in.
Say all the walls and then they can announcements there’s can smell your musical liability thing also gasoline on where was the head of key somewhere okay and then,
mom sends a text message picture of day getting is there i owe you a whose i’m not like.
Damn what kind of person yeah liver leaving missing the picture was still alive.
Well i don’t think they have that much time and so is quick also is not in the.
Dizzy and your please jarvis show of line or taking the sausage so yeah so he’s he’s a hunter and he gives you his tricks like that to.
So yeah so yeah an and obviously as we’re talking here that taxidermy is one of the fates that can befall one of these hundred creatures so.
Everybody kinda just knows what taxidermy israel mount the head are you your like mayor make a bear skin rug whiskey taxidermy is your making something out of a lake hunted animal or trap them all right.
[6:57] What what is calf taxidermy well taxidermy strafford.
To their made up creations wanna make something of its light doesn’t exist in the real world they call it gaff taxidermy.
It’s meant to look and they call it that because it’s meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder i guess that’ll be saying i don’t i don’t know how these work.
[7:22] But well many claim it taxonomy gas are forgeries some gaff taxidermy is taxidermy is disagree.
Here’s a little bit of history with that.
[7:35] Though many calf tax services are know for their mystical creations most don’t see it as a means of deceiving people.
Doug henley renowned for his sugar copper gas which that’s awesome yeah for example never met for his creations to be taken as real but instead to let people make up their own decision about what they are.
He famously calls his work the shoe but com bra with a question mark in it and it s emphasizing the importance of the question mark.
Taxidermy after fun or fun suspension of disbelief in a taxi there missed size.
They want people to have fun imagining this mystery of their creatures rather than just being a simple statement of also it now.
[8:20] Gaffe taxidermy is not always had the most has always been quite that honest and open about what it is one of the most famous hocks years of history perpetrated what is probably the most famous piece of gaff taxidermy.
That is the fiji mermaid which was presented by p t barnum at eighteen forty two.
By convincing newspapers to stories about his real mermaid farm gained legitimacy first creation and even managed to stop natural lists for a while.
In the meantime similar mermaids popped up and other smaller sideshows researchers now believe the japanese sailor mean the original mermaid and eighteen twenty two by selling a monkey torso onto a fish tail.
[9:03] Diver robert ripley of ripley’s believe it or not present at the fiji mermaid as it at his auditorium are yeah auditorium the nineteen thirties.
But the presentation was debunked as a hoax that it was not the original feet what and it was no less than.
We actually we don’t know what happened to the usual fiji mermaid because he claims to have it and so everyone assumed he did and the carbon dated and it can’t be,
or you know did friends x on it and it’s not it’s definitely not the original.
[9:39] And we don’t know what happened to the last thing you at one point they thought of indonesia to like the new york natural history museum well but they checked their like back area where they don’t likes long term stores sensor and they didn’t find it.
Who have it somebody has some nice like that yes it def is like that so that they if they have like a few gas taxidermy is at that museum but none of them are.
You know all them are clearly not the original fiji mermaid are because we see the photos of the mermaid and the one that they do half that was a mess that crazy or whatever its like there not anything alike so.
Yeah not so much.
Here in south dakota where podcast is based there’s a little bit of and this is across the american west i guess i was in a funk this is the south dakota thing guarantee there were widespread.
It’s the sprightly jackalope which is the fusion of a rabbit with of the year.
Honestly these things were around so much when i was growing up but not the actual animal but like people with jack a lope being stuff coffee mugs hats the for the or stuff jackal over mounted actual actual called the area and.
As a little kid i didn’t think they were real but i always like to them for granted that were just like all over the place in inman think of it as like a weird thing that.
You know my dad has a couple of those and the bar downstairs i told me that area so it agent by the way the first in will he ever mounted put that basement was,
was the albino ring neck pheasant he shop so i hope it’s yup i live on ninth of the story was interesting reset the system really.
[11:18] These are when we’re not at all,
it means that we’re supposed to be friends period and taking his is and i know the first was a senior jack a lope and i found there are numerous on the cross country are in texas road house.
Really fun tax returns look at the stuffed animals will see jack loves nice as an elephant and it really grosses me out that he’s watching us all back is one of those things that have an average south.
I do lol oh.
That’s not the deer with handle al of look like kind of like in a single year and the year yeah,
i should explain i’m kind of on some weird but he shouldn’t made about my soaps interfered so i am little weird when the news.
More of them stay that i can hear what’s happening they.
My hands touching buttons lol okay okay sorry i didn’t mean to disturb your okay and so yeah.
[12:21] Like yeah texas roadhouse installed think that now getting and i can move on the moving.
That’s okay where were very sweet talking about jackalope since i am not i was very serious members your service and i thought that jackals are real and then it wasn’t until embarrassingly all,
thank you like this last saturday i was telling my husband about the top of the,
this in the mail has a college i realize the jackals for fake because of the st is you jack rabbits i was laid going to ends at but okay never did anybody that i thought the real and then.
Then they came up that they were fake i just lo que le oh yeah baby i knew that there were something embers in from your friend that something that has everybody that truly being there’s a from yourself yeah.
What’s happening in the bay so many spaces only thing the lake i didn’t find out until really old age.
Relays recently.
[13:31] If like monitor is not pronouncement hear let’s made it find out till i was like thirty that.
[13:40] Pow pumpkin is pronounce pumpkin and not pumpkin i’ll,
and i was just like what and my wife is like yeah you see that it’s like the most adorable thing you are now spoken in your has appointed new and and humid saying say to q voices and.
Just like it’s so adorable and was like what he’s like mom i think we really missing the farm and like all as something like that ghastly.
Whoa really just really can still be corrected using a hundred but you always he may be on is hilarious.
[14:21] No shrapnel as a thing that flings something ounces i found a really.
Old age how did you fine out so okay so we were watching a lot of.
I get mythbusters okay and also he told me about.
I he my husband told me about how his dad was hit with some shrapnel,
in the vietnam war that had agent orange on it and then in my goodness watch this whole thing this whole house hose and health issues of can they all resulted in him getting a heart transplant and then.
Dying of eleven years later which was like super duper long for a guy getting a heart transplant in the eighties surrender live that long ever during a heart transplant that’s fantastic so the,
so anyway that wasn’t the sad part separated the agent orange getting hit with that and so he told me,
see you tell me cause legally gagged who shrapnel as a compliment the fake word they were saying it is that eventually i called model twenty shrapnel is a.
Am i busy on tv to the dome where the signal were in his late is it a serious right now mike will,
yeah they say it’s a thing i know its not so we had to go to like being and time to voice my gummy and hum so full of it so.
[15:45] And i think the funniest one of those have ever encountered was my sister joanie i think she headers doctorate shoes of peach tea at this point.
And it isn’t hate me for telling the story but it was late.
[15:58] For some reason our i said something about it was like easter something like that wasn’t about like jesus being jewish inches like what.
[16:08] Jesus was jewish when only was it on my gosh he can be catholic please.
Where is the sewing says he was jewish white.
So i can i give her crap for years and then it wasn’t like he julie.
Jesus was jewish that i hate you up whether she found out you know now vs much later.
Where he’s before the kids and stirred teaching them back off my adorable yeah.
That’s funny but apparently it also adorable the town of douglas wyoming has event every year on june thirty first oh yeah they.
Um they in they drink their city for tourism releases jackalope hunting licenses all of this but the jackals they’re only good for june thirty first nice haha yeah.
It’s okay no other side story here so one christmas one of my sisters got my brother and i didn’t know they made these fake lottery ticket all like scratch lottery and.
So he scratch it off and.
He totally bought him why is it because they look pretty real he thought he won twenty five thousand dollars now if he literally got up from the christmas dinner table and the like.
[17:41] Shaking jumped on my,
like one like and then the other can like irish jake and her is bad and it was just like luke,
just like your cousin was dying or something like that he had tears coming down his eyes are all relieved and happy he flips it over and.
[18:05] It’s like the the text on the back of the ticket is the fine print this yes it’s hilarious cuz it’s all light.
Redeemable only in your dreams ran been sent sent with an attached,
gonna graph copy of the bible to send the closet north pole on syria yeah i’ve i think they have a lot of those that he is on america’s funniest and like every variation there’s like rock prayers be redeemable at your mama’s house and,
stuff like that going on i get so mad resumes the users and dealers so mean cuz lake,
his sleep be here people sit saying programming things and different credit card that you know might be you like always relieve is coming they find out that new with.
Oh it’s so so so sad,
mean it’s kinda funny at first i would on paper of their hilarious but after having witnessed that christmas um i’m just like,
i want to eat twenty worst enemy they last summer i checked the do so them actually at walmart now justin like that she toy i’ll rice like that the yo-yos and stuff.
They think this and think i got one once.
But i was i was an only i just a desert february and then that was it that was the end of it but i think i need the arrow.
Summer yeah scott weird he so what’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen taxidermy i don’t know that this doesn’t actually classifies taxes during but is okay me off.
[19:36] Because you know it’s coming to see thinking of boars pos actually hunts this is not on kind of it was singer of them and was oh yeah.
But there’s a place here in town if he or any of that the store and like advertising like the puppies in a jar i know does that that everything will all the lies and beating inviting money other podcast,
it’s the sioux falls one yeah she’s late every time he poses owes me is like,
ten percent like it and then you just get reamed with the rest of our way and a yeah holy cow cell what is that those puppies are actually stillborn so they’re not like they do look real piece yeah,
i’m in an event like the will the other animals he have like they were already deceased so it’s not like he’s going i’m trying to find dad.
And my cousin she actually loves his work and has purchased many items from him and she delete these stupid papers why is is your sous.
But everything we were that you invite him for this so no sir taxidermy specially yes you leaving and what are we got an id one hundred episode of engine entry on,
yo that information exactly their ego so cs that’s that’s kinda rude story right hand i know a guy deathly cause that huge during the days is like in the news what is going on in,
what jason pope john.
[21:06] That’s number there’s a like kind of ms thing of my buddies and i were talking elton like in high school bonds i couldn’t.
What is a bonsai yeah of buttons i think it is like when it’s tube fed okay in a jar.
Bike and it lives in this jar so it actually grows to be the shape of the jar and has another to for go the bathroom of the other all know,
it is not a real thing that you get all in japanese you will cut their pets hair to be light shade smells different thing um is she search bars i get my you gonna fine like,
peach is a castle lite jar shaped heads killing perfectly round phone now also the miss was that they keep them in jars to until in there baby to the group and their per,
perfectly cylindrical oh my gash i really gotta that’s not real me to bail out of the biggies.
Yeah great my hat and be a little too disturbing for me to live the most random.
I mean i’ve seen random taxidermy like your bars where they have like a hat and.
[22:11] Here’s got like hunter’s cap and a cigarette in its mouth and i’ve seen a few people like jeff foxworthy is tells jokes about.
Going to the kind of place where the.
Where they mount to the to the air holes and have to like gun that killed the year on my own with your hoes and error the jeff foxworthy joke about that this is like as here’s a remington thirty six you’re not passing them manual.
He has everything in any other laying likely your taxidermy and i’ve ever seen besides the outage our stuff that was weird as hell which are jessica and.
[22:48] Yeah i think it absolutely does yeah i know that i go to fuel it for conventions and they will.
I some people take the bones of animals and stuff like that can amount to actually know i have this,
i do miss have were texting a friend of mine her from the get player real quick her shop is called flawed fox creations and liz both,
beautiful and grotesque all the same time we can’t like its like if,
someone was like from the victorian area got ahold of animals and my taxidermy them and mount them on beautiful lake or nate the brains and like dress them up and it will hats and beads and lace and i mean it is,
insane but it’s beautiful and she has a really really good job and it i’ve told are in this lake.
I love the work that you do but it is not me that i could not but that’s that she doesn’t his and,
she is really excited to questions is like a dead squirrel nearby shes like this usually doesn’t like snow and the outside and hurting me rumors logo orders episode or something where some losing my.
Dead animals and is freezer freeze taxidermy and all.
It was like an episode layout for a version of ace ventura pet detective there’s so many like taxidermy animals around him like it was like going into an antique store or is there some piled on god.
[24:21] Happy new year it’s when.
Yeah the service that the deer with the cigarette minor so like when payment redneck compared to the these these letters are going that’s what is my debt is some again as a jackal open bar and then he is also got.
The squirrel that but was too fat and is stuck in the tree.
[24:44] Nice this is the bake button squirrel but like all marley tree around that’s what like when the fixtures and is bar i think you should be deville marley tree.
Yeah i went to discuss world but it will grow but be you’d screw be very well.
Yeah tenant rights and stuff purse posts on our page as sisters are honestly don’t know.
Where’s people’s ambitions and motives flight not now cx and yeah i get data science to it and when the like originally was somebody’s first idea saying.
I’m making sustainable forever.
[25:26] I’m on a guess that it’s crazy trophy yeah will be like the modern.
We’re talking like six fifteen sixteen hundreds modern quit in the air would be trophy hunting in like the monthly rate aristocracy in europe and stuff the dinner like a trial and error of actually preserving it like.
Oh it’s a general all come home two days later this is kind of jello hanging on the wall well yeah part part that is the.
[25:55] I mean if you ever been to a taxidermy shop and see how they don’t know i’ve not how to do it okay there is no light of fluids like it’s all dreamed will there’s no meat.
Right there’s its litterally nowadays it’s literally a plastic.
Cast kind of thing and then they just it’s basically like the skin so basically the for yet cuz like the eyes are glass the tongue is rubber and then he alot of air brushing on the for to get the color of light just right and.
Yes which is like the antlers and the fur are like the only actual thing that go into it like a lot of them the skull doesn’t even though i like into it anymore allow.
But yeah that’s the other thing is you can have like is that look was really popular in the taxidermy world for awhile some again has a bunch of like.
Deer skulls are elks cultures of like that that are have like a really cool a dream catcher can a thing like air rushing out to them on and then it just like the white skull with the painting and then the big antlers and so obviously that is like that the real scholar whatever but.
[26:59] Yeah there’s there’s actually now a days there’s not a lot to it and in the old days my understanding is that was just like sachs a strong as with the use of her and arsenic or do they do that for just a backing to the.
The furnace can oh yeah there’s that will they tn if why okay you have so that its like its like a fur like if you get like a rabbit skin and.
But tir shop west river or something like that animal furs with all soft on both sides you know that’s what they do to it basically i think it’s.
And some taxes harris is a stomach disorder all what we do for a white male in and tell us all about it so my brothers he works at the.
That’s mini museum downtown for the called heritage museum that was called sher score of the other house museum only activates actually amount of it so i.
[27:56] So
when i first were there and i was like in fourth grade i was had by myself touring the museum and i took a wrong turn and i came face to face with this huge s buffalo and it,
freaked me the fuck out and at and i’ve been terrified of ever setting foot back in that museum again because of this buffalo well then fast forward several years later and now it’s is,
is buffalo again i’m missing and it was a lot smaller which good has now i remember now sleep i was pretty little self.
Pointed out to my brother he was like yeah i don’t touch that because that’s covered in our snake and that’s just really dangerous but they still keep it there because of an antique now.
So who okay yeah so so the order on to that for as museum the sea level it scared the pants off me and then there’s another one.
Always and bring up at least the bears and stuffy shields alley at the surf filter tax during are paying.
Ever fake about the the the bears shields doesn’t be real he thinks yeah yes the fuse we legally real.
To reiterate you shouldn’t touch taxidermy animals because they are like toxic my knowing they have the center of his leg.
A photo booth sides and the thing is probably fake okay that that may be the night of it i have it and haven’t seen the bears your talking about like i am,
but like when you see amount in the speak displays the defense office of like a balance where the home of animals and half that’s all.
[29:28] What new pets and can i say handling how is the reasons you add them they close doors at night in the museum is,
terrible and.
I don’t know that dead animal bodies it between like growing up around that and then like when i go back for christmases.
Usually my siblings that have kids get the all the spare bedrooms downstairs so i’m usually on a futon on our underneath all the mounted animal so i like literally like i fell asleep in their elk is like.
I can’t remember this way i can sit up completely straight in the food on or i will hit the very very bottom of the hallway so nice the companies that the severed head and i can’t handle that you know i can handle seeing it down its opposite all.
[30:18] Blood in my before pictures and my jason than freddie surrounding like i’m fine there i can have the apple falls,
i remember watching and how was last at road house with patrick swayze you know he has a guy that that breaking for it never colored cares names now.
The bad guy basically one of his assistants are was whatever was always afraid to go into a trophy room.
Where is full of taxidermy and stuff and what not shaking in my staring at the walls karen shotgun.
Dial in at the end of their fellow human security and you mall and of them you this night taxidermy that you have here in the office.
Now that would not be it the live in is a red real so not tags are real of you could that mean felons and yet is and we have been.
They’re really tiny night and.
How will one for halloween i put a gigantic alley d,
remote control light display and had the figured out the head is actually just attached to the debt control there’s a,
he can drop stuff all the way through him oh wow but it’s still deep enough that i can get that lighting back out of their change batteries what so lesson learned back for the.
[31:41] At some locations my are they down and shit all i have button that actually could try that.
Is there any chance i can earn for free right they do for an apartment in.
I would like to order the machine the money but my answer was i was going to stick with.
This is really interesting radio i was going to get a stick and put some tape on the end of it and now it is gone it that way cuz it’s only get pennies keep falling in my all my plug in and my car and i.
You know for my phone charger.
I want to change in there and i certainly fall into that the cigarette lighter thought i drive the dining at once and it actually sparta to cross that i wouldn’t think moving never seen happen one time actually or defrost.
What will our current weight where it are playing what was sold honda negative and will yeah and somehow it fell just red like it like scores that downtime.
Mike will not return and get that anymore so far as i know that can actually do that i probably wouldn’t have been as.
[32:43] Zealous as i was when i pursuit that in like eric eric eric ramming my probably metal rod thing i was using to try and get the the penny out of their.
Let me look tell that you actually feeling but i mean still get the car battery it just like in my hurt you that is not gonna kill yeah yeah.
Was it like it’s your heart just right or something like that that in itself makes me that was in a unit your heart and gas what’s her second do those things.
Well that’s okay question if you could taxidermy anything with the two things the whiskey oh joy them together.
Or multiple things weird um that’s a tough one it is a stuff when they think i’m gonna go with.
But did it make it convincing casts a quarrel where the snake that completely covering tropical bird feathers and all i all or i’m gonna go with keeping my theme of birds here i’m gonna get.
I don’t remember what this creatures call from greek mythology but it’s the that cock it’s a chicken.
With like slightly bigger claws and its head is like three feet of snake neck and a snake at.
Oh it’s just i forget ice of cinnamon leaks it doesn’t smell.
Yeah that sounds close to it okay but but yeah i’ve seen those before in light.
You know frescoes and stuff like that and then just like that would be cool but i think i’m going to cut squirrel can keep with my central america theme that a half with stuff so and yes.
[34:20] Alright you lose something like.
And phoebe is yeah yeah i’m thinking like her know it have to be like.
Stronger mixed was lie to make sense of the user to be like water.
[34:41] Yeah we an even surface given to like fish stores we this we talked about like you know the mermaids or whatever being like part fish but yeah the the whole mounting fish thing is like a whole world of its own cuz,
i only meant like that i’ve never seen taxidermy i don’t know how they do that it is.
Can we fish freak me the fuck out yeah they’re they’re weird especially like kinda remember when we were growing up grandpa robert was letting before dad had so much stuff even know what to do with.
He just had like sixty your heads and blake the pheasant on.
Some decent bunch of stuff like that there was one big panel on the wall that was grant roberts biggest fish he ever got in that state in there for probably like ten years before it finally took that back and put that in his cabin in city but it’s a big northern and.
[35:29] The way it’s mounted it’s like you could see inside of it see the girls and you can like series all the way back into in stuffings like.
That was was while i was a kid i’m so we super fascinated with that yeah yeah.
I know i was like seeing like swordfish stuff like those are of which religion is is.
[35:51] Yeah i don’t know what i would text me pro something funny looking thing is spader in the monkey in the middle of the monkeys are ready.
But i know that way hydraulic spare related like a d and d spider monkey and i are like bottom half of and the pot be great when the scorpion and a bit of money in our the scorpion hamster that would.
Freeway at the monkey torso was like giant spider legs wrapping around yeah he sat.
Come amaze that we and like beer often to mommy’s some point in this but i figure part of it is that that topic is.
Will work for one thing there’s a million kinds of of mommy’s it’s like will probably do episodes that are like just them in.
Mommy is just the ink on that’s just the egyptian eccentric cetera,
yeah we have so much to me in this whole huge apology in it mean like there’s a all white subset of things and around that there’s one guy i’m thinking of that a knife,
figured i do an episode about him at some point it but i’m trying but he when i think of him i think of taxidermy.
And i’m trying to remember cuz of what he he it is that he’s the one it like that cambridge university or where he had is his,
he came up with the event is on technique to preserve his head in to preserve his body me donate his body to the university and he wanted to use one of these great thinkers the light meant and he will he thought it was a waste that we throw bodies into the ground to strat.
[37:22] On the other like fascinating machines and stuff so he came up with this idea that.
You would have symposium is with the dead where you would preserve the bodies of your like great thinkers and.
You know like famous professors and stuff like not share and then you bring them out of special occasions having to do with their topic click each apology or whatever the study physics tray yeah and you have like someone speak for and represent the body but have them like,
sitting in station in the lecture whatever and people to beat that the issue back and forth and stuff like that and i’m trying to remember what the guys name is.
[37:59] How do even google something like that are in.
She and there was a reality show journey bend them that’s when thinking of.
And i love the first article that comes up is journey buttons preserved corpse will haunt your nightmares and yet the dead body at the hall of london university.
[38:25] So the thing that went wrong is they have a pc so in keeping with his will and is.
You know like grand scheme or whatever yeah.
They have his body in a cabinet but it’s a wax head but it is like is mummified body or whatever and so they will bring it out thinking halloween the bring it now and they do a symposium sulfites it it like he wanted yeah,
but he wanted he came up with this technique with all this like waxen weird stuff to preserve his head like it look supposedly we answer and.
And yeah haha yeah it it didn’t turn out so well so he still have his head,
and that’s on a platter it’s like not displayed or whatever yeah but it’s hot in there its yeah it is,
nightmare fuel like to the extreme cuz it looks worse than if they just let it like decompose into like a skull,
awe when do to see it looks like this will it make a terrible pose and.
Brown but waxy this is really gross this issue it yeah gross.
There’s something that him am in house of your and calendar that was something like that with all that they can keep was like the head and i.
And the picture of the handle my calendar why does calendar third article here’s an atlas obscure article i benny was germ event them.
That sounds familiar yeah the head of.
[39:58] Oh their ego hell wasn’t full yeah i’ve if this is the the guy in those are clearly class size but the head is super.
[40:07] Super gross lol thank is me eric lane is louis really hard why wide and i look.
[40:17] Well have you guys ever heard of young because of the human body i have.
What is the name for the human body explore whatever and it’s like he’s so,
it’s like basically there’s a bunch of different bodies they that they taxidermy than the sensor is he like that down the road we will do a whole song about bonnie’s began to extremely controversial yes and there’s a whole bunch of.
Mystery as to where those bodies came from and there are only mean because the german designer guy that created the bodies display.
It was a really big controversy cuz he bought them as medical supplies from china oh and it’s very.
Brava bleed where did you live at eighty percent that they were like political prisoners executed for the chinese government and not,
when they do that they don’t let your family have your body wherever and is usually don’t sell it but that’s a china does their organ donation system is that the builders takeout political prisoner execute them on their.
Give their or it’s like a party member something like that i mean it just like really sick election is be training partner and we forget about him it’s wear and suffice.
It’s still pretty fucked up over there’s further justice system and stuff like that so.
[41:36] The eu like the world court subject that they went after the german guy that designed bodies specifically because there light.
This violates our universal code of human rights because these people there’s no way these people consented to this and.
Have their bodies sold in the preserve forever for it for a display and something,
i don’t know how it was resolved but yeah and that’s part of the reason why i had a chance to see it and amanda really wanna see it live when we were in las vegas and.
It wouldn’t do it it is i i mean it’s silly.
But i have like a moral objection to that are in the display ceiling when the kids you falls i was like i kinda wanna see that we as ever at the time,
girl and it and i was thinking how cool that you’re all these people do any devices science servers research center sarah is the new display if like beef do you know is now is people that were to blink donated right.
[42:35] Think i’ll originally went from year and it was like two were in europe and stuff like that right national designer and creator of death just remember he was the nineties but i wanna see like the early oughts it just been a really big media kerfuffle about.
Raise the body’s came from cuz i know when.
I know it is usd they have a cadaver lab all those people definitely only had like hard yes i wanna be my by use for science the scientific purposes so do whatever you want it,
we blueberries and what not so i mean so would it so that’s why i like oh let me sense that.
This is probably you know of a product of a similar program where people to set yeah i’m using my by everyday do whatever.
And put that that have that means it does look different if it’s that they didn’t consent basically forcing do it.
[43:32] Yeah i’m on their website and there’s absolutely no surprise surprise is absolutely nothing about how they how that works as far as the.
The legal part of it for the body suggests the cities where they have displays going las vegas in atlanta georgia buy your tickets now.
Console gross yeah vesicular and and things off our all night i.
[44:00] Yeah with if that okay on you stop looking at that but that’s all we ever made yeah man.
So this is my man is actually in banff alberta canada and is carrying off of my calendar from at was obscure.
That’s some that really nicely it says in a glass case that the band indian trading post looks like the back end of a snapper fish glued to the top half of a desiccated monkey and is a god that’s exactly what it looks like.
Test of white here clean to the three foot long they needed point nine liter creatures me seated form one left hand reaches out as of in the throes of death maniacal grin bears two rows of tiny point to t.
This is the band for a man the legend of the merman because of norman kale extend the founder of the indian trading post and the sign of the goat curio shop,
accounts of its origin differ but of following of a help but fall in the field around the world canoe trip which that,
doesn’t surprise me it would fail.
From nineteen fifteen locks and either caught or bought the hokey looking man beast or maybe he just killed himself so no worries pressure like how he got every handle,
on this merman or where it came from but its kinda like the p t barnum merman it just.
Looks really super duper interesting but it says that mom a favor means have a long history with some dating back centuries but they really hit their stride as part of the pt burnham circuit.
[45:32] Um back an he eighteen forty five and then it locks stands remade came kim about in ninth nineteen fifteen so what is that like thirty years later.
Don’t like that so.
Say yes only three long waylon this is a written lease anything think you see,
but today there are several home a favor needs to be found of various appearances in all regions from japanese temples to seattle he old curiosity shop but banff may have,
may have the only merman.
So oh so this is the male lion vs everything else being email so that was special about them yes so.
[46:17] So yeah but this has kinda funny i kinda think he might’ve.
[46:21] Games medical joins made himself and it looks really gross than a pass that it looks like some good sex and i was really bad it you know crafts can i put together the reaction ahead with that one is that it is.
Not well-made gas like it’s very it’s like if i try to make him or his great great.
So following of because i brought that up on it i wanted to follow up with facts about the bodies display.
Eight that controversy is not settled all moved home yeah concert in race but the prevailing to the bodies.
Hmm let’s see in two thousand five us.
[47:03] The us for attorney general expressed opinion that states were approval should be required for this display um.
The four against having a ten exit in tampa florida so,
but really it’s at where it’s at in some places because i passed laws against it lol and all that and one of his release two in two thousand six the new york times and twenty twenty teamed up and did a investigation showing that a lot of it was black market.
[47:30] So was in the government like little prisoners it was just like black markets we have no idea where they came from all kinds hours and like i didn’t realize cuz addressing display they have children so the catholic church is raised concerns about.
Like will how do they get children cadavers and the children can’t really consent to that and it’s bomb.
Yeah and it goes on with after the twenty twenty investigation an investigation by the new york attorney general of time intercom wall.
The at the display ceo or any color had to resign in disgrace on.
[48:09] There was a investigation and subsequent settlement to two thousand eight um.
[48:19] Let’s see this this article says that the front page of the exhibition website casts a disclaimer about.
The origins of the bodies and stuff like that talking about this but.
I was just on their site and could not find the disclaimer so one of the he has died down of ten years are all sure that it’s not as big a deal or something but yeah cuz there’s nothing on their website they see about it but.
There’s clearly a lot here yeah on rumors of organ harvesting from a long gone numbers in china and will.
Aw that’s really breaks me heart that’s as late as it is twenty seventeen republic there was a giant oh cry by medical professionals in prague about the exhibition coming there.
I believe that i mean yeah if it’s that shady in that country basically lady they can’t tell you live where the bodies came from.
Yell and after twenty twenty investigation apparently there’s a really good chance that they were like.
Not ethically sourced you all of you though its like you know most people are like the ethically sourced.
Chicken and stuff like that honestly he’s people for got secretes order with ian’s or late party like that settlement dimensions that.
The switch down it’s not even real anymore.
Yeah i don’t know with the possibility of just not actually releasing that information publicly now.
[49:50] And you would be impossible to fake but gray and there’s a lot of things to like.
[49:57] Set a could technically be listed as a science thing in the,
well that’s how they marketing is that is a science thing me and i mean i could be where they get their licensing and it’s all actually permitted that they could come from donors essentially organ donors,
yeah i’m wondering is going for the did that or how that yeah work but like i said according to this no they have not.
I mean they basically did an undisclosed settlement with the stay in your working clothes there display their and now i have one and one in atlanta georgia and one in las vegas nevada.
[50:31] Hello to.
Hopefully i don’t know part of me will i am leaving note thing clicks hopefully you know it it shut down but i kind of like my cousin fascinating to be a follow up a person on that one just as we.
Learn more about it to say hi i mean it’s a controversy and he was out there but until we’re talking about taxidermy it didn’t cross my mind rain rain.
[50:54] But yeah so what other sites show taxidermy and stuff like that it by mean there’s lots of sight your taxidermy obviously.
Travis in your wanderings of you.
Encounter any any like interesting sideshow taxidermy i have it but it makes me think so like when using the word sideshow like what is gonna happen if people like the enigma.
[51:19] They do there so much like more than one from cells to actually be on display install it mean she ten to the base.
Higher body yeah so why couldn’t she pump or is it all a i don’t know he is he thousands of miles though he’s you quite often in here.
That be pretty funny if he was just like.
No i want a proper christian burial my body served and is like absolutely no that’s you know that’s mean i seen people who have of like and don’t other loser and.
Alterations were they split their tongue sec all different things like that i always wondered like we do this later revealed that sunday we are one half it’s probably neck and where.
Yeah right.
[52:07] I think that a lot about body modifications of them was just like yeah there’s a lot of people see when they are late to the gauges and stuff yeah yeah there’s an look new looks sixty yeah exactly it’s.
I was the one that you don’t even like there some person ordering turn starting right now worry where and.
You won’t have to take out the gauges ks i don’t know whether policy is on that they think it was there it was there that the first couple days i think i’ve area of surface,
ignorance what is a gauge his following hole in here that’s what those are bad also and the freezer seen someone who were must of light fell out or if there’s something so yeah is to tear things that.
Hey we’re getting celsius your peers lines and still with the sisters now looking into you so.
Use like synthetic the rooms in like a little drizzle on a broom and come short.
Like every day so just add like two or three action brussels to stretch out the size and all i see share share so is this is the plastic piece that can they.
Yeah one thing i’ve always wanted to do but again goes back to where i don’t want to be there for me when i get older gas because robert seen the do the needle through the hand where i legit put a needle all the way through my hand to the back out the front.
One of the things i wanna do is actually for a friend to hands together.
And have like a card or for the in between rs and possible for me to get to orange is somebody to pick what’s hidden inside my head and have them cut the strings and pulsar.
[53:40] He took a loan bowl in order to do i have to dj my team.
I legit would it be if i had a la village il hold it all the time.
I mean yeah lets during your hands good to see a friendly little will hold my heat in the,
i only wanted for this moving great become of,
i mean the door catch water in your hands up like that it falls through the middle sixes english have driving right hand car i could live with that mean on a couple is strong enough still.
Book it for the love straight love you get pulled over with that and just be like,
what is the going to town to go and see your acting is here your memoir and now blake i just really wanted to do it for a one,
the one time that was it this one though the one reaction is simply a resume and cover your eyes peeking when each,
all i really really want to figure out how to thread together and he slipped through the biggest show flip a coin me like,
heads or tails of mastering in the.
Wait so late rent the whole place basically computers your for your hand yeah and it’s safe.
Yeah the decision me this get yeah his would i use a lighter in the tattoo shop selling them to someone flea so this is like say for medically approved right.
[55:13] Yeah it is your can you say things like is that you can hear the reason of used heels and oh i just did hose from show leg last month and made had added three back to back shows and i did.
Three times of the dream like you know.
Not the way he does it have to have you.
This just isn’t for in your hand that is always dead center beat if you follow your middle finger and index finger down.
The tendency the middle of your hand yeah in between those tenancy pressed of in relation to finally double cavity yeah that’s all the.
Is no blood flow reset or.
I think it had to be something like that yeah that’s what i wanted to suzanne hundred percent legit there’s been times where i’ve missed it ten mins of bone.
When i put the center my heating comes over by my phone because like she is hers.
When does witches nine pontiac syntax yeah sensor is it akward sterilize everything rainy.
Yeah well i use to sew would be very very serious i liked i liked your response there two blue yeah,
so i use i use to okay using with actual alcohol swab might meals we’re medically seal mode because i would come across a very serious thing am alcohol swabs on the table and.
[56:45] Open your shows new york and tara from the slot one doing and i say it’s very important that i’m safe here.
I need to make sure everything is clean so that i remove my glasses of all subjects that lives white.
What setting to go see what i’m doing so that he’s awesome and it doesn’t mean and what is the only tuesdays glasses up says that it is a.
Lies hallway and the visitors are real this is really hard know the first time i did it was courses very slow and nervous area.
But the first time accidental with you my hand is like the most you for feeling ever like my hand like we thought like you just had an hour massage.
Seriously it function yeah zuber acupuncture in your legs she really can do everything with his hand play dark when my back and bruises adjustment is.
Take me to mom’s all my guys sell okay so what did you coming to practice the hand thing before you but show people inhaling those were the angle i’m home personally okay tuesday good terribly wrong and if it does.
I want people to see you like french people yeah don’t know i did everything i need to reverse that shit visible is so differs me labeled like i really don’t when you.
Okay yeah you feel a ball.
More italiana sleeping that think is fit most famous for his business for on the podcasts because we are so obsessed with that the first time they came on yet and we’re all like trying to guess how we get it down and so.
[58:24] I was trying to guess the candy it was a candy shop in the glass and so when i said that uses like why tell you what you pick the label.
And when is terry labels for snacks no the only.
It was blown out lee there’s so what happens when they get rid of all the incandescent bali the halogen you ninety like is reaching out all the things to do like wine glasses of merlot dishes,
i prefer do liable because i can show on stage of a dude in a performance and frankly some really cool yeah and i choose to cool to no avail never one hundred percent be rid of.
What could incandescent light bulbs completely serviced oasis where they have to have them check so that when you do you swallow it,
yeah that’s for heating it doesn’t look i’m sure it’s the thought are you passengers turns out of milage.
Wearing its final time he has a new pastor hears this likely happens the glass and your body is.
So it’s a no fuse the sun surgery and use the science behind please glasses simply made a sand,
yes okay so he chew it fine and nothing is returns back to saying.
No yes yes a really fine powder but you have to chew a lot you like once you engage count and i can choose is usually it know i just keep going till feels like i just a spoonful sugar basically that’s real grainy in my mouth all.
And then just swish it swish dose of water yeah i’m good.
[59:58] But glass lee cuts in a slicing motion gray okay so i can i have to choose directly like my teeth straight up and down i can’t let you looking to again where glass.
And i can’t use my tom to switch around of it and place yeah later random he get can like.
My baby suddenly cheese with in la back in so once it’s completely chewed add to fill my mouth will water i switch around of the water everything take care of an industrial bacons lol.
[1:00:26] Now there was an asians because i got to a point for let my audience choose the glass of oj and one time they chose a fairly large.
Piece of glass goes down wagering that is so that.
Will do have a way out of that if they do that again okay because it takes so long to actually chew it entire label them like this break it flooded piece,
and i need gotta insole the game is fairly large piece of ham and staging can’t back down till is he this whole thing it took a while i was in a hurry and emily is getting bored cell is this lol.
So the next day like i poop glass like that was a legit.
Terrible terrible experience a handful of la or the just plain wasn’t painful and pooped and then look graphic your when one of the wives a glass it’s exactly what hat.
Yeah so now when they take a big piece of glass and break in am aq you want some and then i have my smaller piece that will take a.
When that jackass knowledge of year i can’t do i just appoints be added to a glass for.
Give me a sec guys a little bit but can we talk that like other metric for that is more stage craft than it is actual like.
Safety about eating that much what is rate yeah funny thing is the first time i did it like i’m not gonna do it like the first time i use i wanna do home stays like.
Joey prepares all to do is to read how to do it right okay so i did that like as mentally prepared much more than actually thought i really need to be yeah.
[1:01:58] Invite are i’m not doing to stage times if it goes wrong alleyway mess up once and it was so well everybody’s like,
you bobby liable and in this like every show i’m evil eyeball now all cash only williams labelled so does the glass forgot you like the and then the middle five k is that was in question.
At three she working email that will come out well elegantly when and a while and know that legions groups.
[1:02:30] The smaller certainly need still run the risk a lot of internal damage yeah yeah.
Ss and eating taxidermy in the sun are have you even find a lot of skin fishing stuff.
Well having the oven interesting life which means that you’ll be like front center and the bodies display her fix the stove ticket for china to all i hope that they have layed flip me inside out.
[1:03:01] Show all the glass or and yeah the thing is glass mean.
I go with you tell your doctor the glass lid dentists all and would you guys there like we were and recommend a mica would regulate when i go into third to may denizen my.
Here’s the deal this is what i do my probation.
Do not lecture me about my tees because like the enamel everything isn’t so scratched up and so got all sure serially be schooling to left and right back half nineties are just terrible like they’re all there yeah after just,
and terrible terrible condition.
Adventures are in your future yet the first time actually did the glass eating is like three weeks before i fill a cavity coming on shift and mike.
I’m just getting this tooth pulled because i am not having glass stuck inside a cavity and of fitting in so when we to the dentist said he and the pulled to so it was a character in my nose pull it and it will.
Yo mike for saying those gonna be susan three weeks and the like way of you’d shoe and stuff like that might.
I’m eating glass and like i don’t like.
Pack my goals of glass in the heels over a and i have with that so this is a van most most metal conversation with her dentist and error yeah.
has actually was acting of though said that when can we performed in premonition live at the orpheum as the first time i did he do with goes wrong like them in a bleed on stage.
He’s do that so metal yours yet they does it now.
[1:04:36] Has a flashing but does he do that i don’t think he does often as i do the stickers say,
as in that’s your bitch you got your gonna have beef with him if you like the idea too far it no use doing i seen posts on social media about like he live all on my.
Yeah let’s fix i’m tired doing yes like honestly.
I’d like to outsource the label heating core to this point for me it’s mundane so it’s like you know honestly.
Bit middle of your show and this is my in turn molly it’s her first day she’ll be eating like well yeah following assets in its.
[1:05:14] Smells friday canaveral it is call and alot of things.
One of the things i wanna do this in a guy if he actually took wicked clear plastic to like almost like an aquarium too yeah he put it through his nose as mouse which is up now again.
That it is like fifty feet of it and then you are completely wrapped himself with it and then put it plugged into a milk picture on top of the ladder and impose like a living statue an open the valve.
And the milk was are all these tubes in his nose and and screwed out of his mouth and fill the cup.
It’s not on the fountain stage you let that is awesome drake in the in which people think is gross but it’s stones and a two bolt gas early like.
We have a lot of prayers such that to yeah so i have says like a terrible gag reflex and i want to do it so i can hardly do the nail and those now too that would be so awesome only wish.
Who is it in and they said we record i’ll do the needle for you okay and that’s their.
[1:06:27] So i think we’re gonna wrap set this up nineteen jeans gray has an.
I have i think we’re gonna take that conversation make that are apple log if that’s cool with you and nelia so.
Welcome back where they wrap up this episode for you but be sure to check out the copper more patria on if you’d like to hear a whole bunch of stuff about,
different mahdi of body modification things and body tricks that travis is done and a little behind the scenes on some.
[1:06:57] And a body for magic that’s not right click blood man to put his hands called the magic.
Oh shirt jackie click from this freak show okay so steve and jake so how about this every get some video up and will put on a picture of yours and you can tell all that is a very modest a really deep magic is ninety percent of its legit,
so geek starts i guess marissa got five different to that of you drain interpretation’s only and has.
So far so thanks for listening everybody and next time speaking of magic we’re gonna go we’re gonna take a historical deep dive on one on the obscure in very weird magician from the turn of the century you cross,
crosses paths with.
A number of great and famous magicians including harry houdini and yeah it’s a really fascinating history and we will tell you all about it next time on macabre more wall lol.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 5 D B Cooper

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 5 D B Cooper.  It remains one of the greatest mysteries in the United States, a startling crime that captured the American imagination, inspiring songs, movies, TV shows, and books.

In 1971 on the eve of Thanksgiving, a man who called himself Dan Cooper paid $20 cash for a ticket on the 2:45 flight from Portland Oregon to Seattle Tacoma flight 305, at the time flight 305 was one of the shortest domestic air routes in the US. In good weather conditions, it takes just 30 minutes.

A “quiet” man, he ordered a bourbon and soda while waiting for takeoff. In midair just after 3 p.m., from seat 18C, he handed the flight attendant a note saying he had a bomb in his briefcase and showed her a glimpse of wires and red sticks. She wrote down his demands — four parachutes and $200,000 (He failed to specify in what denomination) — and passed them to the captain.

In Seattle, the passengers were exchanged for the money and parachutes. The flight resumed with “Mr. Cooper” and the crew en route for Mexico City, with the plane flying no higher than 10,000 feet, as he demanded.  He also demanded that they fly with their flaps deployed and landing gear out. This limited the planes speed to less than 200 miles per hour. A typical modern skydiver jumps from around 13,000 feet.

Two US Air Force Jet Fighters traveled with the plain but had trouble operating and the low speed and altitude and were forced to circle the plane at a wide distance.

After 8 p.m., somewhere between Seattle and Reno, he jumped out of the back of the Boeing 727, one of the only commercial jetliners ever to have a rear staircase.  In 1971 there was nothing in the plane to stop him from deploying it. He landed somewhere in a wooded area near Arial Washington with a parachute and the ransom and disappeared.  This triggered one of the largest manhunts in US History. The Washington national guard was deployed along with nearly a 100 FBI Agents. They found nothing.

On February 7th, 1980 a ten-year-old boy gathered firewood with his father on the banks of the Columbia River, and he found three bundles of moldy cash with the rubber bands still intact.  The serial numbers on the bills matched those given to D.B. Cooper. But this discovery would lead to more questions than answers. For example, these bills were found 20 miles outside of the widest predicted drop zone the FBI had used, also it was in the opposite direction from where the wind was blowing on the night D.B. Cooper jumped.  Geologists were also perplexed as the bills were discovered above a portion of the river that had been dredged in 1974. This meant the money had been buried there three years after the heist.

After years of dead ends, the FBI ended their 45-year investigation in July of 2016.  The FBI has said it interviewed hundreds of people, tracked leads across the nation, and scoured the aircraft for evidence. By the fifth anniversary of the hijacking, it had looked into 800 suspects. As The New York Times reported in 2011, the FBI file on the case, available in an online vault, measures 40 feet long, cataloging more than 1,000 suspects, some supplied by psychics, some turned in by people suspicious of a family member, some coming in deathbed confessions.

One of the suspects interviewed was a man named Richard Floyd McCoy. He carried out a similar hijacking and escape by parachute less than five months after the Cooper flight, but Mr. McCoy was ruled out because he did not match descriptions provided by flight attendants, and for other undisclosed reasons, as well as having an alibi according to the FBI.

Hijackings during the Cold War were often desperate attempts at escape from the Iron Curtain, but during the 1970s criminals began using them as leverage in ransom negotiations. The D.B. Cooper case became one of the most famous examples of the era of hijacking. By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone.

Originally the crime was deemed a case of air piracy, a felony that carried a statute of limitations of five years. However, a grand jury indicted the hijacker in absentia for violating the Hobbs Act, another federal statute aimed to prevent extortion that carried no statute of limitations.

“In theory, if Cooper were to walk out of the woods today, he could theoretically be charged with a crime,” according to the FBI.

How did the story affect American culture?

The high-flying exploit of the man known as D.B. Cooper infused American popular culture. The parts of his story that were known were dramatic enough to inspire writers, directors and musicians, but the unanswered questions had to be patched up with guesswork.

The 2004 movie “Without a Paddle” was about three friends who headed into the wilderness in search of the lost ransom money and ended up finding his skeleton.

In 1981, the movie “The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper” opened with Treat Williams in the lead role as a former Green Beret named J.R. Meade. The movie was based on J.D. Reed’s 1980 book, “Free Fall.” Other fictional books included “D.B.” by Elwood Reid in which “Cooper” is actually a Vietnam vet named Phil Fitch, and James M. Cain’s “Rainbow’s End” in the 1970s, which had similarities.

Artists from Todd Snider to Chuck Brodsky have written and performed songs about him.

The Ariel General Store and Tavern, an archive of Coopermania in the Washington State town of Ariel, where he is believed to have landed, has kept the story alive with an annual get-together that toasts Mr. Cooper as a hero. Its next annual D.B. Cooper festival is planned for Nov. 26, including a look-a-like contest.


The Skyjacker That Got Away – D.B. Cooper (2009) FULL Documentary

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

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[0:28] Everybody looks and the cop from one chapter five topic today is the super in your host a show here with robert mailing and travis night.
Hey are eight so this is basically a guy that.

[0:47] Did a price.

[0:51] Um but thousands of feet above the ground to around ten thousand and ten thousand feet in an airplane.
In the seventies the heat what what’s for framing he is history’s americas at least only successful,
sky pirate and the only sky jacker in the history of the united states to get away with it so is you whole again it will record for the tallest robbery.

[1:19] It lists for family he’s the record he should he should be the other than you and one other people that are gonna try and.
You don’t wanna create a world record for that because other people and when i do that from the funny you should mention that because i thought that this was totally like,
a thing that had never happened and never happened again but there’s more to the story than that let me dig into it a little bit for you,
this remains one of the greatest mysteries in the united states it’s a startling crime capture the american m imagination and inspired songs movies tv shows and books.
In nineteen seventy one on the eve of thanksgiving a man who called himself dan cooper you see the db cooper thing was actually a typo in the newspaper.
He never called himself db cooper he was dan cooper st and the.
Other paper sauce of them a call him db cooper and the name sounds cooler as the last,
that’s all it is and so it became popular lee known as db cooper and so that was stock but there but he never actually called himself that he called himself been cooper so xl time he’s being questioned later in the knee converted the line no,
yeah yeah yeah and that’s how we get past the past the lie detector they’ll and,
when bill collectors one o’clock in the the miss spelling is there and show steakhouse not me room number.
What is the stock market now.

[2:52] So on the eve of thanksgiving he call himself dan cooper and he paid twenty dollars cash for one of those of days per ticket on the two forty-five flight from portland oregon to seattle to come off like three or five.
At this time flight three five one of the shortest a mistake eral tonight states in good weather conditions a completed in less than thirty minutes.

[3:16] Witnesses including the flight attendant who deal dealt directly with him describe him as a quiet man he ordered a bourbon and soda while waiting for take off.
Those were the days cuz he was a first class service our damn in in there just after three pm.
From his seat which was eighteen c he had the flight attendant and no,
saying that he had a bomb in his briefcase and the shoulder a glimpse of the wires and red sticks instead of a briefcase e had he was dressed is just like a regular.
Businessman on a business trip loafers suit on a class and then the at glasses with them.
She broke down his demands for four parachutes and two hundred thousand dollars.
Interestingly and this will come up later he failed to specify what denomination of friend some money he wanted which is not only rare but.
Some people think that makes him like a total rank amateur that he didn’t do that cuz for all you know that it’s anyone’s and technically they complied turn in fact what they will do if they will send in twenty’s and it will become.
That’s another theory that’s like that throw off maybe is calculations for this because it’s so much heavier than what he was imagining he was gonna be jumping with all the so.
Keep keep that that domestic opinion that yeah acquired okay he ordered permissive take off.
Eighteen c in seattle the passengers for exchange for money and parachutes then the flight resumed with with just the flight crew.

[4:54] And mr cooper and the crue the starter route to mexico city which is very request to fly.
But he ordered the plane fly no higher than ten thousand feet which is much lower than the typical operating area for this airplane.

[5:11] He also demanded the fly with their flaps deployed and their landing gear out which is very ss.
Strange but when it does that is slow the airplane way down from what it normally cruise at it lowered its speed to two hundred miles per hour.
Which is not at all typical it to get a decent the little fast but a decent jumping speed but not at cruising speed for an airliner and.
Let’s see.
One know i added here’s the typical style divergence from around thirteen thousand feet is just so awful so we just a little bit blower what amount modern typical skydivers would go with this interesting know that he.
Recently changed our flight path that to go down to mexico city how pissed would you be though if you’re on that flight.
And like your just gonna go twenty minutes of thirty minute flight up to what seattle will.
In this goes with his reputation as a gentleman thief other than the flight crew yeah.
At the at the airport where they gave him the money and the parachutes and that’s part of the reason back that you gotta remember this is pretty nine eleven there no room is like practically no airport security whatsoever will get on that moment but.

[6:29] He your people on the flight city was super polite and friendly and mr ss income like like him a little bit and stuff and.
Yeah but he so he never threaten anyone he’s like i have a bomb this is a matter of fact thing and.
Yeah so all the all the hostages and most of the flight so it’s basically like the one or two flight attendants that he been dealing directly with and actually the one he spent the most time with the one they show the bomb she was released when they landed at the airport so it’s just.
Think pilot copilot and engineer and then what water to stewardesses were all that was on the plane with him all is i thought she was on the plane with the passengers going nato he have all had fun all the passengers though.
Oh and then the resume the return it cuz that was promised a man’s was four parachutes two hundred thousand dollars and they refused.
Oh okay i just created didn’t answer it i got off on a tangent there but the reason a i started attention was to explain that.
Back then we typically with error jackers like this the relay political people are people are desperate stuff like that and if you just follow their directions they never really like killed anybody was much different time than boring right,
the whole idea of killing civilians in like a terrorist act or something like that was not.
A common thing raven with it in when someone in the middle east hijacked an airplane during this year they will kill anybody is like on a whole this airplane inconveniences people until you give me my shit straight.

[8:03] So there was no you now nobody was really that scared about it and you know other than obviously the people still on the plane with them who are worried about the fact that the does he appear to have a bomb.
So let’s see so there is,
you know prison about ten thousand feet to use this is something i didn’t know to us air force jet fighters traveled with the plane but they are trouble operating at a low speed and altitude ca,
what i didn’t know was about that were two fighters that were like the training um but they couldn’t trail because it was so slow and so low that basically the eventually they were just circling above it and doing like white circles on the area where the plane was because,
they can slow down enough to actually like watch what happened so.

[8:52] They informed him that there wasn’t enough fuel to make it all the way to mexico city flying that way obviously cuz that’s such a drag with the air with planning and stuff after.
They said they change course and a set it to.
Dan cooper is quoted as saying at one point is like reno sounds nice lets go there after eight pm somewhere between seattle and reno he jumped out of the back of the boeing seven to seven.

[9:20] The seventy seven is the only is one of the only commercial jet liners that was ever use that has a weird employed staircase which is another thing i never knew about the story i was picturing jumping out of like an emergency hatch we.
Heat he jumped on the back just like they do like a c thirty in the army that is the.
You know stair lift weights we lowers out of the back of it like a million falcon and jump.
So yeah i thought that was crazy so why personally that makes me think that he knew what aircraft he was dealing with the have that stare so long as it’s not like it is not the year of the internet where you can google that shit.

[10:02] Let’s see.

[10:05] So it is and in nineteen seventy one to work even any safeguards to keep them from doing that night flight so that anyone of that sir doing until the track got even worse and all the sun will the d pressure rising light came on.

[10:20] So he jumped on the plane he landed somewhere in a wooded area near a town called ariel washington.
With the with the parachute and ransom and disappeared this triggered one of the largest manhunt in us history.
The washington national guard was deployed along with nearly a hundred fbi agents.
They found nothing as impressive yeah it’s super impressive another thing people point out was like.
There’s freezing water with the columbia river and eventually ex that wanted him they could have landed in even if you wanna just like safely in the woods it’s almost it’s almost freezing now and he is in a suit jacket.
And loafers that was the one thing that blue a lot of people’s minds that he just had like nineteen.
You know sixties letters are thin socks and stuff like that just.
But he did it anyway is is night time and night so.
Even knowing when or where she was jumping head of impressive because of your gps and that makes me wonder if he did cuz like you told them to go to mexico city.
And then they’re like we can’t make mexico city so okay how about reno so.
Did he know where he was gonna when did he know what angle wise difference would be for traveling to.
Mexico city is are trying to reno instead of mexico city right for his finger that’s the same general direction he wanted to travel i mean i also know if he planned on.

[11:52] Dr jumping somewhere in washington state anyways this seems to me to be like he was will obviously with a pair of shoes that he was,
you not gonna jump right was the plan and he was probably the job early so i guess it probably wasn’t that that factor that i’m worried about is probably not that big a factor as it so early in the flight.
For what early in mexico city flight and honestly if you would’ve drowned.

[12:16] Everything comes up eventuality like you would have found a body eventually issued flow yeah them in this no one after that will get into the those logistics of that cuz this case gets we’re on that front okay okay.
Let’s see so where’s manhunt in us history so nothing absolutely nothing about this case.
Until nine years later when on february seventeen nineteen eighty a ten year old boy was gathering fire fire with his father on the banks of the columbia river found three bundles of moldy cash with the rubber band still intact all off.

[12:55] The serial number now call back here to when i mentioned that it was the twenties yeah is,
the the money was given to men twenties and send hundred dollar bill so it was a big bag you now have anything i think this is what fifty pounds or something like not light at all,
the flight attendant that saw him prepping to the never saw him jump but this i’m kind of getting married thought chief tied the bag around his waist.

[13:22] With the cord or whatever but anyway um because this is that your were,
criminals don’t know this is a thing of the government commonly do they gave him,
you not light that’s why you’re like on marked bills are passed when chill bills when in movies when someone does it meant this much money and on march on sequential bills it’s because that this is,
like i knew your for this tactic the,
sequenced all the number so they’re like in perfect order so they know if the serial number on the bills is within this range it’s definitely db cooper money right so in theory as soon as he would have ever spent any of that money over the nine years.
The federal government would eventually found out about only absolutely which keep in mind for those nine years nothing.

[14:08] So we’re back at this river bank nine years later and we find these bills with the serial numbers that match those given to db cooper.
This discovery would only lead to more questions and answers for example.
These pills were found with from twenty miles outside of the widest predicted drops on the fb i had used.
It was also the opposite direction from which the wind was blowing the night that db cooper jumped which that’s something i don’t know is like weird.
He always go just at the time,
was also very perplexed the bills were discovered above a portion of the river that have been dredged in nineteen seventy four this meant that the money had.
That that money got there at least three years.
After the heist or else it would’ve been pulled up pull up in the drive gas so.
After years of dance the fbi finally it never got any further on this they after forty five years that ended the investigation as of july twenty six he is the,
the fbi said that his interview hundreds of people track leads across the nation scoured the aircraft for evidence,
and by the fifth anniversary of the hijacked jacking had investigated eight hundred suspects.

[15:28] The new york’s type new york times reported in twenty eleven that the fbi fbi case available in an online fall for you in on level measures forty feet long can long more than a hundred thousand suspects thousand.

[15:43] What do i say is a hundred thousand.
Get one thousand likes during a third of the country was db cooper acting like i am starting all i am spartacus five nine tv hoover stylish wanted to a thousand let’s see.
Some some of the lever supplied by psychics and some were turned were people turning in.
Members of their family they were suspicious of and some were coming from deathbed confession so just kind of a circus a media circus of things that were turning me calling in.

[16:18] Which you know that makes you wonder how much detail they lost in the static of the profile of the case.
So let’s see this and this is what promising here or not promising cuz canada and forum but it’s what tells you that someone could survive doing this.
Is that someone shortly after db cooper did the exact same thing survive got.
Some it because i cure him or some idiot that you can brag about it and the fbi got word office she had so.
That’s the one of the cells and he’s one of the suspects look at he was named richard floyd parkway.
He carried out a very similar hijacking an escape by parachute less than five months after.

[17:08] But mr cole way mccoy was ruled out as a suspect because he didn’t match the descriptions provided the flight attendants which of you look at the lake artist composite of db cooper and then look at the pictures of this guy,
yeah it’s like a totally all guy like,
much much broader flatter faces of the way this is like oh hell no that’s not him is anyone like the right height say yeah she had,
kind of a week but he had an alibi to the fbi.
Interesting with this one yeah so he was bragging to a friend of this funny cuz my wife amanda was actually in the room when i was watching a documentary that uses one of the sources for this and.
Amanda was sitting there and she’s like why did he only ask for two hundred thousand dollars and i was like well you know it was seventy one and so that was a lot more money back than.
This mccoy guy he stole like how i can listed on here in my notes damn but he still much a half a million that’s right oh yes for half a million dollars and the guy he bracket that’s right that’s good because that’s part hell according.
The guy he brags to in a bar about.
How he could do that so easy and this tv cooper’s nothing and how stupid was it only ask for two hundred thousand dollars.
And so he’s like did that and then a week later when i did it so the sky was like i’m just.
In a bar with a diversity on it would he be converted and ask for half a million sixty cooper yeah on so.

[18:43] Yeah so in a way he gets caught and they would really like in his front porch light.
Cuz he’s got like a wife and three kids and stuff like that like they find a duffle bag with the half a million dollars in it so all our mail.
What and he went to jail for like six fifteen years or something like that anyway.

[19:06] So i checked the little background on hijacking skin is can it,
re cover this a little bit go head with that talking about how the world as violent as they are now and write that you know back then is like you just did with the hijackers aston nobody really would get her,
he was just like okay we’re doing this thing now.
Hijacking through the cold war will often desperate attempts to escape the iron curtain but during the nineteen seventies criminals began using them as leverage in branson negotiation.
The db cooper case i became one of the most famous examples of the year of high packing.
By the mid seventies at least a hundred and speak the plaintiff in sky jacked in the us so they were trying to break they were trying to go for a world record they’re kinda like to.

[19:50] Someone maybe one of the few permitted to see if they can do it better it’s just like the song that and then the light.
Shit it’s that easy to just like take the whole point in getting katelyn it was a police people and just sit back drinking bourbon and,
get handed a hundred cash fuck yeah so is go off which in our review the covers the only person that was never captured.
Can i tell you that mean yeah not for a while yet yeah the mouse ate yet have an airtight plan the have to know a lot of things that is,
this in your name is something else what two hundred thousand dollar that did they just getting a flat passengers on the plane and they get when they landed gotten a planet along with parachutes oh okay okay i was asked to,
those were actual the man’s so it was like they said someone would like a member of the flight crew came down picked up the four parachutes picked up the,
cash it and walk it back in,
all the other passengers were distorting it was very orderly okay like you know what’s not for us what he’s street right there and sharp shooters on the roof in wa long and is it to different your okay okay.
Let’s see a person do what’s the iron curtain.

[21:05] The weather iron curtain is all i’m asking okay sorry no that’s so you’re familiar with the cold war with the soviet union and they are okay.
Countries that are on the other side of that were part of the warsaw pact or part of the communist outside yeah.
They are considered on the other side of the iron curtain i’m making pork something is for antlers yet i love this the.

[21:33] It comes from a quote from winston churchill speech shortly after the end of world war two right about the time that,
the russians are coming off the east germans from west germans oh and a couple of czechoslovakia and put down rebellions there is really like its probably like for i think four years after world war two when,
stuff is like really getting crappy with the soviet union is becoming the soap like the soviet union we know from classic stereo typical wear stuff gray and.
Churchill said that.
Iron curtain was the sending across the face of europe holding it in because of the the divisions of tanks because the.
The russians it takes me right that’s funny as you look the us arsenal from the first gulf war.

[22:26] The iraqis holy crap load of actually pretty good soviet tanks the boss are plus one so the union fell but the us arsenal was nothing but,
machine is designed to kill those tanks because the expected to find a land war in europe where would be,
we’re gonna be overwhelmed by soviet tanks pacha,
i’m twenty eight abrams tank that we haven’t really it takes much as a pain killer and i can’t on it fires and you’re reading wage she’s a specifically designed,
break open the armor of a soviet tank full and like our attack helicopters like the happiest of like that were so calm and then yeah.
Designers like pain killers also.
Loosing eyesight yeah i know i need that i didn’t know that the sorry military history i can i can go on forever but anyway see that’s what the iron curtain is thank you so you have people who are like the east germans were trying to get,
over to the other side in the state of democracy in stuff like that so.

[23:30] Can you sue a lot of it without involving tube i wanna see this year but i can’t find anything about that in the notes regularly that’s not really germane i guess right now let’s see.
So i thought this was interesting this came up in the new york times article originally,
this was the case of air piracy which is a felony that carries the statute of limitations of five years,
however a grand jury indicted him in essential for violating the hobbs act which is a federal statute into preventing the extortion.

[24:02] The prince extortion and it carries no statute of limitations so one fbi agent was called in the documentary saying in theory of cooper were to walk out of what’s today he with the radically be charged with a crime i said,
so yeah it’s still it’s still you know it’s a cold case but it’s still an active case yeah.
So here’s a little perspective on how it go in so easily showed up any point time now that the light,
yes yeah it is for anyone who was sitting there wondering what’s the statute of limitations on this there are no of non for the hops at so i can.
Sorry be sued be screwed if they ever found him even retirement home so the height of.
How does this affect american culture the high-flying exploit of the man mystique cooper infused american popular culture the time,
parts the story were known to be dramatic enough to inspire writers directors and musicians but the other answer questions had to be patched up with gas work.

[25:02] In the two thousand four movie without a paddle and i forgot message light was doing.
Was about three friends who had it into the wilderness in search of the lost ransom money of db cooper and ended up finding his skull.
In nineteen eighty one the movie the pursuit of db cooper open with treat williams as in the lead role as a former green beret named jr meet.
The movie is based on jr reads nineteen eighty book free fall its a fictional account of tv coverage life.
And that other fictional books included the by ellen read.
Which cooper was a vietnam veteran named phil finch and james cleans rainbows and in the nineteen seventies which had similarities.

[25:49] Artists from tonights niner chuck berry have all written songs about db cooper and then i thought this was interesting cuz i’ve read this is from the new york times report about it but.
This is also national geographic documentary that’s lincoln are shown us the aerial general store and tavern is a small it’s like a washington size town of like two hundred people.
They the are basically trying to and like museum of db cooper memorabilia allow all over the world and it’s just a little tiny drinking and drinking town and,
yo its closest and where they thought you and it’s kept the story like they do it annual gas to get together that’s toasts db cooper as a full cure-all.
Let’s see in the.

[26:38] In the in the video they showed and its like its punter drunk rowdy you now christian is yeah rednecks several like it like what’s in you could tell alot older guys were like alive when it happens they’re all being mile and.
Lol think you’ll look-alike contest so people dress like db cooper with a suit from that time and stuff like that and i liked it.

[27:04] It’s like there’s one old guy who just you know being and being an ornery old guy is being like i’m bbq for in a lot of them are like one dvd and.

[27:14] His is the one guy says it is his wife source like when where the hell’s the money they use the money as a qualified agent dale cooper is from print pizzas and also.
Paula called back to the cooper that’s really interesting cuz that be something that was in the.
That’s what i should mine be of like someone who would be reading about the fbi out like that so,
super possible yeah license mackenzie and i miss yeah i miss that connection but that could totally be a thing yeah mackenzie was also could british you db cooper infiniti.
I know for certain types of doing this topic the first time i heard about the converter was in prison break.
So that was pretty cool never heard about that someone i can research that.
Yeah watching this stuff so did you know the way this that someone actually successfully done that either that require whatever yeah,
yeah i can’t remember his name or any sachs laws in a while i am here because i know anyone could ever actually like pull that off and just like got away with the other than the fact,
they were the bracket is right.
Yes i heard a few different variations of the story says i was kind of confused about the two about the details but i thought.
On the plane was flying over like the midwest of the united states the two and i thought it some point in the middle of the flight the secluded there’s a lot of cash on the plane.

[28:48] And he got the cash and then,
he cares shootouts and i that was it like i was disappeared i was super fuzzy on the details and especially what really surprised me from this one was the.

[29:02] The rear of the plane is there kc lily just walked off like it like a professional sign for yeah as i watched and had.
I heard eddie cooper on an episode of bizarre states briefly and i also sa hmm saw a little bit of it on an episode of mysteries at the museum they have an artifact from a plane or some pressure that he jumped from cell.
Don’t forget the details that messed up i wonder like how close is actually paying attention to the story the first was by originally thought it was like a cross united states flight today he,
this time and it was kinda like basically still waiting to like storage area of,
i did the same thing one has ever actually seen him jump.
I have this theory that won’t maybe use like a contortionist and o line compartment are part of the planet no one would think to look in the hands cramming with the cash the only scattered all over walking and looking but.
The special national geographic documentary they really got into.
Oh no they’re like fifty agents all over the plane as soon as it landed and they basically took it apart piece by the little league like to the point of part it back,
looking for any kind of friends that they find you think okay is has this interesting thought that.
When they landed the plane in portland and i don’t offers portland or if it was seattle anyways the one that was louis ave sunnyvale seattle-tacoma airport is the land the plane is in and seattle.

[30:41] In seattle and one of his mans actually bring me a pilot’s uniform so.

[30:50] Follow me on a sony please stops,
he’s own close with the cash tosses it off the plane to make it look like he’s fighting nothing for the preacher those fighter doesn’t seen something fall off the plane ticket confirm if he actually fell off the plane because.
Right they could you so late so when the plane passed away and he,
basically says these vitamins and the pilots light you say anything otherwise i will kill you or whatever busily friends them so he the evil to d where the plane the piles of everybody bout for him and he gets off scott free,
does he look like a pilot because,
people are you know that wasn’t a now thing for our lives with the address of all hostages as the bank robbers yes walked gas gas i mean really i love that movie,
so that is i’ll i love the fact that they did that to get everyone except for the main guy who’s voice to be reckoned that he that because i can’t figure out life me all through the movie why they were basically clean that hole in the wall is like a basically like,
lol him yeah that was that was a great movie i love that.
Say that that’s my thought and the fact that only was around the he could find him in washington but he went back to that area after he died down and.
Now cash there’s a whole bunch of interesting thoughts yeah on the nineteen eighties discovery of the three bundles yeah.

[32:21] So it couldn’t have been buried at the time of the crash there was a lot of people speculated that he really did it as like a fuck you to.
The cops to or to the fbi investigators marking them yeah home.

[32:36] The national geographic special got into some really interesting friends x that they didn’t specifically for this documentary and.

[32:46] The thing is that they come up with a very solid theory on the surface of what happened except that there’s one part of their theory that i think is super harebrained he have totally like the rails it.
So the in the documentary the main pieces of it is that they argue that.
Well it’s pretty sure db cooper landing the columbia river died and cuz from hypothermia as the cold yet and do you have the money got this launches appointment so that the three bundles show up.

[33:16] Up the whole like finding a shoe or for anybody or something like that the problem is the columbia river right there’s really close we’re open or it empties into the ocean.

[33:26] And so that could explain why didn’t file anything but here’s the part where they’re very very saw simply research thing falls apart for me.
Is there like will this location is still four miles up river from where the.
Light where he could have like go worry typically work on in the water lever is like all the direction of like the franklin river.
Basically he would have to travel upstream four miles for this theory work will so,
okay how would how would that if he drowned or hypothermia it like they said they’re syria how does the money end up upstream for my house has and literally the documentary all it does is it cuts to the friends that guy being like.
Well i imagine that the the the shipping is a busy shopping area for like carlos like holy like coal in miles like i and his theory is that will you just caught in a propeller and a tractor that’s four miles or whatever.

[34:30] Yeah but the probability of that happening and no one noticing and it only scattering those three bills and not like making a gigantic mass yeah.
Really throws me and like so that they have this whole the how long thing that really was like wow he’s really convinced me that he must’ve drowned or died of hypothermia.
On and that’s the logical explanation that’s the only explanation it can be and then they’re like well this is the lynch pin of our thing is that somehow he magically had to travel for miles in the wrong direction of the river and it’s like.

[35:06] So um.

[35:09] Yeah i think so that they lost me and i’m okay so they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about niggas trying desperately to like get to some kind of conclusion for the end of the show or something they need that the happiest my question is like,
he said that they belong to the serial numbers are built in the ass if you go to the bank now the second new bills this resistor in order to,
what kind of clothes my mind that is to say about is that i have a hard time believing.
The even if i sit thousand one dollar bills the government was tracking those that any of those and actually make it back to the government source.

[35:47] For them to see that was the bank the banks do it the veins actually record all serial numbers,
they they scanned the bills like we’re so basically you could go around and you could spend it at like walmart mcdonalds for you now are a department store where ever.
When does the s and as soon as they did they’re prey like a brinks truck shows up and it goes into a bank and like a big bag of money in the.
Though that bank will not scan it but they will send those bills to a federal reserve branch.
And the federal reserve branch will scan them since the craziest thing i spend money here in truly does not stay lol oh my no have you ever played and maybe the something for the bonus episode but.
There’s this there was this internet thing in the early oughts that i participated in called where’s george.
Yeah yeah and never successfully done blade,
the very first time i ever got one of those when i was in minnesota i entered in the computer and then that turned me into a where’s george guy and so i tracked a bunch of my money around back there i should see if i can find my log in some kind of curious having us been blocked but.
Not mine work the twenty i had was from road head like.
I wanna buy twin cities minnesota.
And then i don’t know that i ever checked after i spent it is so i don’t know where it went from there but it sure it.

[37:23] Money travels like the patterns are super crazy if you gonna say hole is the where is george a guy without ever actually myself,
that is a concert and utilizes a business crescent right now was every building got for a year oh awesome.
Yeah so you say you’re cool but you’re getting local people,
lol i don’t know i travel outside is cool okay when warm wonderful resumes believe that’s the only problem with that,
is that if you do that enough to enough bills to draw any kind of like government attention,
like that’s why we’re george wears george eventually got shut down i think the website might still be up but like they can sell their stamper that they use to anymore they have an id number and um stuff because it’s technically defacing us currency is,
and i think there’s other things about like tracking currency like that is like illegal under like commerce.
Something something larceny i just remember they got into a whole bunch of legal trouble on multiple fronts and that’s why that kinda died out now there just trying to find a way that is something serious leaking all i mean that i have,
friend who.
I got a twenty dollar bill signed by paul leicester eric and he how long that for the longest time any ended having to spend and he was just like so where’s the rating way of settlement will.

[38:58] Physically raise flexible on the bill and ray smart printer for my logo on.
He’s so that is susan on holy crap on it only really a card or like chain messages something action.
Of brown paper furnace and take the bills lined up right again what while we’re because you know,
if you scan money and try to do anything with it in photoshop like it all your photoshop will lock you out oh what yeah is.
And if you go to like this.
Basically any scanner that gets soul anything this cancer photocopies in the united states is required by law to basically have these chips in it that check for if your scanning money,
and also if anything.
So most of them won’t even let you try to print money as if it is right really tough to get even close to say i didn’t and i am.

[40:00] But yeah but i’ve i’ve we had a plan where we were gonna make these,
co fun box for a company that i work for two to scan and other bills do we would put the owners dale’s face in the bills and make a bunch of like funny stuff all of the sides and is gonna be in,
resort dollar he is dale’s orders like for dollar seventy to be like him like giving a stupid face in the middle of the building but jokes all over anyway,
can’t do it he did scan it and even if you like try to change the scale isn’t like that we are serving areas like is this like call the police and the city trying an answer is secretly a fax machine will it.
This is not a conspiracy theory your printer has a manufacturer signature in the pattern of the dots that’s like a fingerprint yeah.
So if you so like for example if you print a ransom letter or something like that as soon as the fbi gets it,
don’t know how to make model brand of the printer me even know like based off the serial number where it was,
was in a from well sites,
tell me what exactly does he like typefaces on typewriters back in the day to have specific fonts the content they can narrow it down to a table by typewriter was being used because of the case with,
who got the pilot charles lindbergh with his baby was killed at the take typewriter that was used was was was a really ah brandon so they were able to kinda.

[41:32] Track down like who like that like who bought the specific type grader had and narrow it down to the hood today and his kids nieces and washes his in episode where la,
there is a track legally from the fringes of changes forever for miller tracking all.
And a life like his will be done in still think we’re looking ray ray now yeah yeah yeah it’s down in the microscopic like,
the dots me cake yeah it’s it’s crazy how good they are with that and.
But there’s department and the fbi seen this before that friends ugly they just do nothing but collect different kinds of materials and paper so that like if they have a bomb.
They literally like an all that’s left is the speed of cloth they literally of a library of different cloths,
the screen is like no like every cloth manufactured or sold in the us they can go through and compare it to.
I don’t know how old i don’t know when they started that there was a case that is our this little girl was kidnapped from a christmas party at her apartment complex and they have they have a suspect that they is that they were pretty sure that he took.
From the party and then the sickly get killed or whatever and so the,
to prove it they had to go through his car and they had to fiber and else’s on his on everything in his car and he found and so they have to figure out.

[43:08] The dress that she was wearing it like a specific dress for my jc penney’s catalog that i don’t like big bird and or something and,
they had you contact the company to get this dress they compare the chemical call the chemical.
What am i looking for and else’s whatever on,
the dieses dress that was such a specific color and jc penney’s really go are all sold out a distress so they had lego to the public if you have the stress send this to so they can do that i won and that was back in like.
Once i get early nineties with our ladies when this kidnapping happens i wonder.
If it’s baby kids and exhaust of you know yeah it’s not like flawless and everything but i want to have like.
Just thousands and thousands are a believer yeah my pain has a specific your chemical compound profile did not just for lake.
Just the red panda specifically clint your vehicle yeah legally gm uses certain type of paint and you’ll be right are not for dessert take a pain celebrate the red it’s the reds are the same even if they look the same.
So what’s cracking because i hear you there.
Those are popular podcasts to this true crime they are absolutely are you ever of.
Listen to what a white wine true crime that’s that’s a good one it’s just too lazy to sit there and drink white wine while they watch case file on a rainy is.

[44:42] And then there both got comedians from los angeles all yesterday is on.
They did a crossover episode with another comedian i listen tonight i found them this is good let’s see so yeah.
So where were we think with their final verdict here cuz.
I honestly this you know like in chapter four when we talked about the tricare that was something i investigated and.
All my energy was actually like it down a little bit because i felt like there wasn’t as much there as i thought there would be right this is the opposite where as soon as i got into a learn so much more and i’m like.
This is so much more impressive than i thought it was like the guy care sharepoint is like.
There are so much more going on here and what he if you pull this off we’ll even what you did accomplish is like freaking amazing ass.
And then it’s like even though like finding the bills like i heard that like you know.
Probably decades ago and was like well then that means he died if they found the money there right its like washed up and then you dig into it like four miles upstream thing and the fact that it’s only the three bundles eccentric central and it’s like,
haha okay no no idea and so i can see why like there’s fbi agents i will retire ones now who are just like.
Spend their career dislike agonizing over like finding db cooper park as in.

[46:13] I kind of i i kinda think he might of fell with the flight crew and that’s he got away ballet.

[46:22] Yeah i don’t know i i would press as hard to be very hard to do considering the probably know exactly who are the pilots and the flight crew themselves would be like.
You know this is the guy who is it that has the other thing is that they’re going off the beat might have the other witnesses around and stuff like that and.
Yeah i just.
Id be really messy for them to do that well for some like i like the climbing over apartment or other compartment on the plane idea that i had until.
Got into the hole on everything yeah going to researches like now they.
Because they thought of that is that you think about it we’re sitting here and this is what we can come up with me researching for an afternoon you guys what you know what you read every right to be if you think if you think about it it’s like.
What are we gonna think of that’s clever that the freaking fbi agent who spent thirty years agonizing over this question.
Didn’t think oven check for her in right so that shit yeah.
Well it but there are times you know if your if you and your so into it looking at this one specific topic that also very true don’t send back,
to take a look and hanged think of other ideas as at the box that’s that’s why it’s always nice to bring in a fresh mind that has no influence on the case that kinda come up with their own it.
To your own hypothesize i’m just leaves weed by a prison break the.

[47:57] What is your case of prison break his glasses of his to the washer because you’ll get sucked in freezer and i’m like okay i’m in the forties of us of you break a curse that’s.

[48:11] Okay when will that story the vera one of the very first things you never told me when i met you was that i need to watch prison break his this show is flat out phenomenal.
Life he is so spot on the fax and lead how old way.

[48:29] Smh or it is thawed out surveys the guy race and disassociate and prison knowing the system everything like that is a hell brothers came.

[48:42] So he’s covered in tattoos.
It’s actually his architect that test used to just click a picture graphics right everybody else is actually the first blue princes matches caplet she’s a case is playing at the prison with.
So he also knows all the people who are in prison so he has like crime boss is gonna be late.
The guy who secures plane on stuff to escape was to get out of prison he knows db cooper is in the prison that’s interesting are getting their money to lose.

[49:17] But basically is a character in the show yes holy shit yes now i wanna watch the whole thing is he’s like some old guy’s been in prison for ever.
Who has a cat which it pisses allow the than the casting grandfather into the prison system is siri and is so that the main thirty saying i know who you are global fuse the facts and the guy denies it.
And then goes no states times this is what happened and he says.
Will you could be right son but i was this place you la la have medical history being a hospital or jail whatever.
And then like later on the a c fires back through for and towards the end of the season he finds out that he was db cooper all so the cool thing to it is that basically michael scofield the main character.
Proven fact that when the new version of the plane.
He had a truck waiting for him in the hall money yet he in his leg and was driving hid the money.

[50:26] I am.
Which then the one thing that was annoying cuz obviously knew about the plane that is flight passing about speed on stuff so he also smart enough not actually spend the money.
Rain says you there is the money and says forget about.

[50:44] Shortly after he gets pulled over for drunk driving.
And this is how in the prison because he actually kills someone she so now this gal game prison had.
And this is how he identifies him as the job of cleaning his live on long term goals of the stuff yeah is so that the following season now they’re going after this money because they have to get it.
The sound that saved us from the bible’s on no longer exists and i was like all artifact celebrity old map of the town.
Find out where this form used in the making very good money so it’s best central thing this show yeah sell out all day and and then days later find citizen housing development that was built on top of this and like he’s concrete basement and they now have to do is location allow and then,
these guys are almost out of prison together now fighting to make sure that,
one not all together is context to get caught but too thin crust with another that was to get the money will be spurs human race fairly pray,
and because hole few housing is this money and trying to outsmart.
Well it’s free and is of its amazing is the season of the series done now they just not see season like two or three years ago and it was just as good as how many seasons are there s five for.
Okay there’s a reason for in everyone this is the first of may be next on our to watch list right now we’re watching the.

[52:22] Are you still watching the tv to many series i want to know what’s ninety five tv series relax and have a one and a half seasons,
and now we are on the two thousand in two thousand,
yep series so we just that i stock up to listen to your podcast know normalizing moved into the remake is an hour and three make and that’s for every now sold for kinda getting a kick out of watching these old tv shows.
Discuss what we were on taxi for awhile there whole that’s a good one yeah i was actually really really good they tackle some really the topics are actually pretty interesting like isaac like the gauge of homosexuality.
That’s the only one i got right now popping that’s terrible pictures but that they deduct a lot of really interesting topics and pricing for it’s time yet super surprising for it’s time.
And then put the flavor what we did after i think we just opened the after.
If a taxi so yeah well you that last little dot edu that basically right now i think our rule is kind of like they have to be done so i can can binge watch it but the only benjamin just like watch two hours of the night.

[53:37] When we get this on my.

[53:41] I can’t change it now like max go watch prisoners in the ways washers on.
So no longer holds am tired but i forgot you were in the room here and it was probably like ten am ice do that rent the first time and.
My wife actually hold prison break birthday for me on some real.
Because his code to communicate.
Where is ones yeah just save some does anyone prism break size not codes on the cia puzzles and riddles.
And so my wife started meetings all over town with one lead to another lol so that was that was super cool,
it isn’t the whole time yeah it still over there for same,
who is the mother of the negative for a harry potter themed birthday for angel that was her return to the party whatever is needed for her which we live in.
Port washington wisconsin which is really michigan my they have tires stitches like the largest hired.

[55:00] Party in jesus in us and it will actually hire should comes into the harbor lonely people will slavery palace meeting with rose light on the sidewalks and stuff and literally take over the town.
What is all planned out for the whole weekend and want to go in voluntarily all of lives in danger isn’t signs put up with blacks tires last game and it becomes like everybody’s rest of the tires downtown and it’s really really fun.
Also the largest fish fry in the country so drizzle,
but for her basically shoes can hires is before that he works those chemicals seems basically did the exact same thing treasure hunt style is what it doesn’t pay for me to trim oh awesome,
we actually going out switch to mention the for.
Cousins says printed invites for having me people do as they feel it feel like it do share this late,
what is it will like five years ago that’s kind of stuff i didn’t do it to bowl man i bought it like three extravagant thing area as a beginning all or think this last time was pretty much like.
What can i get you on amazon and pick something up in anymore just as good as it is.
Pretty kid friendly i’m sorry i buy some friends of what they do you own as their birthday they wall take the kids out of the house for the birthday person this is stackhouse by themselves and just do whatever the hell they wanted you.

[56:36] All day and the fact for dinner and then and then whatever but yeah not as the apple that’s how we’re gonna do it.
But father’s day basically you don’t do anything with your dad you just never leaves the house and the dad is all the rooms up for mother’s day too late.
For mother’s day you are not farther yeah there you get to have whatever to everyone buy you something missing tired asl birthdays to sell.

[57:05] Very good so yeah db cooper.
I think that’s the main bullet point on this is go watch prison break awesome that it does actually.
I will thank you for listening everyone if you like the show feel free to give us a shout out on social media we are on,
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 4 Greyfriars Kirkyard

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 4 Greyfriars Kirkyard

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

When a man’s soul is certainly in hell, his body will scarce lie quiet in a tomb however costly; some time or other the door must open, and the reprobate come forth in the abhorred garments of the grave.

— Scottish poet Robert Louis Stevenson referencing George MacKenzie in his 1879 book “Edinburgh: Picturesque Notes,”

What do Body Snatchers, violent ghosts, loyal dogs, Harry Potter, and a failed political revolution have in common?  

Greyfriars Kirkyard, in Edinburgh Scottland.  Widely considered by many on the interwebs to be the most haunted graveyard in the world.

This graveyard is in the city’s historic district perched on a hill overlooking the “New” town.  For some perspective, New Town was built around the 1700s. Greyfriars itself was established sometime in the 1560’s.  

“Bluidy Mackenzie”

Haunting the cemetery is George MacKenzie, called the MacKenzie Poltergeist, who is said to be one of the most aggressive and active paranormal figures around. Known during his lifetime as a ruthless persecutor of the Scottish Covenanters, a Presbyterian movement in the 17th century, MacKenzie’s spirit, according to legend, was released in 1999 when a homeless man looking for a spot to sleep broke into his final resting place, the Black Mausoleum.

Even profound skeptics have felt an eerie, sometimes terrifying, presence in Greyfriars Kirkyard. Many come away convinced that there is ‘something’ there, even if they are unwilling to accept it is a poltergeist. The Mackenzie Poltergeist has been called the most well-documented paranormal phenomenon in the world.

Hundreds of people claim to have encountered the unpleasant spirit, said to be the ghost of Sir George Mackenzie, otherwise known as Bluidy Mackenzie, a persecutor of the Covenanters.

Even before the incident with the homeless person, the poltergeist was leaving his mark on visitors to the derelict vaults under South Bridge. Scores of people on ghost tours in the vaults reported being scratched, pushed and trampled. One 11-year-old boy was said to have come out of the tour with long bloody scratches down his arm, while many visitors have suddenly felt cold and scores have fainted.

Unpleasant happenings became so common that organizers of the tours even took to offering a full refund to visitors who had been spooked. After Mackenzie’s tomb was cracked open, there were said to be numerous incidents in Greyfriars Kirkyard, and many believed the malevolent spirit of Bluidy Mackenzie was to blame.

Psychic investigators and television cameras arrived in droves, but nothing seemed to stem the attacks. In 2003, the house of the organizer of the ghost tours caught fire, and all the papers he had collected about Bluidy Mackenzie were destroyed.

People who had been on the graveyard tours emerged with scratches and broken fingers, scores collapsed, and some claimed members of their family had gone mad after visiting the churchyard.

It got so dangerous, the Edinburgh City Council sealed up George Mackenzie’s grave, and the churchyard tours were canceled, but reports of strange happenings continued. To date there have been more than 450 documented attacks, at least 140 people have collapsed – and there have even been suggestions that the spirit may be responsible for a death.

In 2000, an Edinburgh psychic and spiritualist medium, Colin Grant, attempted an exorcism in the churchyard. He said he was picking up “evil forces” and refused to enter the graveyard without a bible and a cross. Grant told his family the churchyard was home to 200 unhappy spirits, believed to be the Covenanters who had been held there and starved to death. He said there was “more to be done at Greyfriars,” but two months later the 66-year-old psychic died suddenly of a massive heart attack.

Oh, did we forget to mention there was a Covenanters concentration camp on the grounds?

Covenanters’ Prison

The rebellion broke out in 1679, after the unexpected success of a group of covenanters, armed with pitchforks and the like, against government forces led by John Graham of Claverhouse at the Battle of Drumclog. For a time the authorities looked in danger of losing control of the south west of Scotland, as more and more people joined the rebel camp at Bothwell near Glasgow; but only a few weeks after Drumclog the rebels were defeated at the Battle of Bothwell Brig.

The Covenanters’ Prison is connected to Greyfriars Kirkyard by a stone gateway and locked metal grate near MacKenzie’s mausoleum. It was once home to an estimated 1200 unfortunate members of the failed revolution in 1679. In the winter of 1679-1680 conditions at the prison were so brutal that only 257 of the prisoners came out alive.

This period of repression of the Covenanters downfall and religious persecution across Scottland became known as “The Killing Time.”

There are reports that government officials were so ardent in their persecution that:

if the authorities learnt that a murdered Covenanter had been given a decent burial, their bodies were usually disinterred and buried in places reserved for thieves and malcontents. Quite often the corpse was hanged or beheaded first”, and burying the body in the kirkyard could result in another punitive death.

— “The Covenanters, The Fifty Years Struggle 1638-1688”. 1920-07-26. Retrieved 2012-05-14.


Typical of most old cemeteries, eerie carved-stone Angels of Death and other ghoulish figures adorn many of the tombstones. But it’s the imposing metal grills covering some of the graves that stand out. In the early 1800s, the University of Edinburgh’s prestigious medical studies program flourished, inadvertently sparking an underground trade in corpses stolen by body snatchers and sold to local students. Soon, the nefarious practice became an epidemic. To prevent these entrepreneurs from making off with their loved ones, families would protect the graves by boxing them in with iron cages, called mortsafes, that ran deep into the ground.


Greyfriars Bobby

For the past 140 years, a noble-looking, bronze Skye terrier has stood guard outside the grounds and watched over the kirkyard. Edinburghers have championed the story of the Greyfriars Bobby: a loyal dog that stood vigil over his deceased owner’s grave for 14 years until his death at which point he was buried near his beloved master’s plot. The story has been memorialized in books and movies, but historians now say that while the pup existed, his extended mourning was probably a fabricated marketing ploy by the cemetery curator and a nearby restaurant owner to encourage tourism. He most likely stuck around for the food and attention he got from visitors.


Harry Potter

Fans of the Harry Potter books might recognize a name or two on the gravestones of Greyfriars Kirkyard.  One prominent stone, which has become a pilgrimage site to Potter fans bears the name “Thomas Riddell.” How did that happen?


JK Rowling has previously said that the tombstone of Thomas Riddell Esquire in the famous Kirkyard may have subconsciously been the inspiration for Voldemort’s true name since she often took strolls through the spot, which is overlooked by the Elephant House cafe, where she wrote several of the books.


The nearby gravestone of poet William McGonagall is also said to have offered inspiration for the name of Professor McGonagall, the head of Gryffindor, while nearby George Heriot’s school is claimed to be a template for Hogwarts.


Notes and References

Buckroyd, J. Church and State in Scotland, 1660-1681. 1980

Currie, Janette (2009). History, hagiography, and fakestory: representations of the Scottish Covenanters in non-fictional and fictional texts from 1638 to 1835 (Thesis). University of Stirling.

“The Covenanters, The Fifty Years Struggle 1638-1688”. 1920-07-26. Retrieved 2012-05-14.

Machine Transcript

[0:26] What a man’s soul was certainly has money was scarce like why unit to however costly.
Sometime or other the door must open and the reprobate come forth and import garments of the grave scottish poet robert louis stevenson referencing george mckenzie and his book eighteen seventy nine at in boro picturesque notes.
Hey everybody welcome to macabre and why is chapter four better hose here.
Myself very rob and travis and they were talking about grey fryers cook kirk yard.
Many fires gray fryers kirk yard causing a yard that’s me that’s just the seniors thinking yeah i have no idea if that’s right but it is just so it just feels good it feels as if our.
Wasn’t scottish were in edinburgh for a few if you get enough weight if you if you mix those up over there are using.

[1:24] But he so we’re gonna talk a little bit about at and barone specifically the gray fryers kirk yard which is basically for from a fancy old word for graveyard.
Now great for your skin particular is considered one of the most haunted.
Graveyards in the world so i thought i’d share with you few notes about you guys can stop me if you wanna china man or anything like that but i’m gonna go ahead and read through this history of research to put together for everybody.

[1:53] So here’s here’s basically my premise for this is would you body snatchers violin ghosts loyal dogs harry potter and i feel political revolution have in common.
Great fryer strip yard in edinburgh scotland is widely considered by many on the interwebs to be the most haunted graveyard in the world.
This graveyard is the city’s is in the city.
And for some context new town was built around seventeen hundred thoughts exactly new its just its named as new neil but not me it’s you to at number of factors have the old one.
I would assume that i may say yeah i think i didn’t pull out a map and look but i should have.
Whoever there’s an old town that sounds like something you’d say when in all great old city like animals like i’m headed to old town is this what happens if.
Maybe that is the actual sound could only lila’s think again back in the day whenever they need something like new,
the new york or whatever its is is there that they were just being lazy,
picking up a genuine name for the town and i really liked it or does the new york on the east coast and its people were kissing your bosses ass yes because it’s virgin ya man is.
You know new york thank.
Which i guess part of it to was they were trying to do and if a different new name because it was originally new amsterdam english pocket so right.

[3:29] But yeah there’s a lot of stuff on the east coast that is like you george george george you know how to break rate.
What lot of ass kissing and you see actually here in south dakota where we’re at two cuz almost every other town in the state is name for our railroad executive orders like family member or something like that is.
That’s the in other all these little towns like the one i grew up in washington it’s a little water station in one everything they need one every ten miles in a day started right,
what setting changes steam know eventually for the because the westin hills and the,
there’s a whole world that we can acquire is the history of that right let’s get back to our it’s got blocked and bro no not you it’s me i’m just changing boy over here.

[4:15] So
The other thing is that gray fryers predates the that area new town because prefers itself was established sometime in the fifties sixties i think is very impressive i mean obviously stuff existed before we were born but the fact still soul on.
Yeah lol it’s it’s like the eddie izzard jack where he talks about how.
In europe it’s like everything is history this just history history everywhere that’s only goddamn castles you just drive take forever to use the driver all the goddamn cast loose and.
Thirty six in like and then it then you got the united states were there like.

[4:54] Tara to its like this buildings a hundred years old tarot there was no one alive,
that’s pretty much can i bills and his with footballs like there’s anything old like there down one,
when i preserve history screw that person is america no see the history if its still the building is still works and nails from it anyways,
yup standing.
Tangent fullest full of plate handed some ice headed there speaking of bloody tensions.
One of the most famous ghost and feature probably of this graveyard is levi mckenzie now bloody mackenzie is.
Basically a very active pull for christ.
That people believe that is george mackenzie was buried in the cemetery to call them panty pop culture christ he said to be one of the most aggressive active paranormal figures around,
no during his lifetime as a ruthless persecute or scottish cup enters calendars are gonna come up in a big way later here.
A presbyterian move in the seventeenth century mackenzie spirit according to legend was released in nineteen ninety nine so it started.
Your reports to go back further but it definitely like.
Apparently really took off starting the two thousands cuz this a nineteen eighty nine a homeless man looking for a spot to sleep during a storm.
Broke into the mausoleum and slept inside of an absolutely call the black mostly on would you break into a place called the black muzzle em and that’s a really good idea.

[6:31] Of all places it is really what am i drunk or high where you at.
I know this is a material goods loses no sleep by the black monthly and not scary.
That’s how for from start will you you really didn’t sleep with hundreds wilson as a teacher why does he to me what are you doing here.

[6:53] We should the service was great i mean like how does that even work did you like slide in and like push the bones over i mean fuck man that’s just crack open it didn’t.
Is something broken window yeah houses in mostly in part i just.

[7:10] I’m being silly what was you gonna do that for you might as well get into the coffee is already here nobleman’s you remind me really itunes really,
no bones about it seriously but the funeral,
even profound skeptics filter neary sometimes terrifying presence in the grave for us kirk yard,
many come away convinced that there is something there even if they are unwilling to accept it is a poltergeist.
Well documented paranormal phenomenon the world hundreds of people claim to front counter the unpleasant spirit said to be the ghost of george mckenzie.
Weather nice otherwise known as bloody mckenzie yep okay it.
Got multiple party oh your fine he even before the incident with the homeless person a year ago even before the incident with the homeless person the poltergeist was leaving his mark on visitors to the sterile to the derelict volts under southbridge.
Scores of people on coast tours in the vault reported being scratched pushed and trampled.
There’s even an account of one eleven year old boy was sent to come.
Out of the tour with long bloody scratches down his arm how many visitors have subtly fell cold and have.
Scores have fainted on the two hours now i don’t know about that because.

[8:37] I think that and this is this is just my opinion based off of.
One article that i’ve read on line when harry potter and the chamber of secrets came out it in theaters there’s this there’s this scene in there where ron is picking up slugs.
And that scene gross out people in la that area of the world where talking like london’s calling my that area.
To people or either bombing in theaters are head or fainting and leaving so people are fainting like.
I don’t know just like i think people me because we cost each other than like that is just what pressure in one of the scotland you’re all be calling you at when.
Just kidding i have never been there and then creature absolutely totally other than the ghosts than it does the same thing was wondering if it was just lake.
Part of their culture overheating is more acceptable and all knowing more expected that but actually i think it could tie-in that that.
If you’re on a ghost tour and they keep building up and building up and building up for this is spooky this is spooky all man.
Gonna see ghost in the spooky two more to take you through a.
Yeah i think your your mind a lot more susceptible to it like being jumpy and it frightened as if you have little starter something like that maybe fate yeah and with the kid.

[10:12] I am just like will this is it eleven year old kid so it’s like you could use tripped he could’ve been climbing on something even when climbing rates lord knows rights and mean how many times i.
Hit myself in and will liam’s are oh shit i’m bleeding.
I like that too early security makes sure who’s robert angier where he is he doing in source tree also list some scientific background to,
i would just like to say that the gas to the finest coors online tax and going through a.
Oh my god it’s so dangerous yeah this is the steam punk lake mind trap there basically in.

[10:54] Okay let’s see it and one thing i will ask is that.
Like sources on this actually acts like a local like national newspapers scotland’s like based and bro that call the scotsman is.
Hey the actually did like a whole list of light hearted things at burris flexible city answers of like that but they gave this one,
the mackenzie porter guys they gave it five out of five for like believe ability how much they could confirm of people’s stories and almost all the other ones were like,
three hundred five to five for the review for five this was the only this was the top like this is the one that we can like basically everything you for our is true,
senseless can it was gonna be one of my saved questions for leaders like when i said this is the most haunted like what scale earning basic.
Yeah and that throws me off a little bit too but i guess it’s you know it’s probably part partially booster is in marketing right decision is one thing.
Nice cup of coffee was okay.
Yup but it seems like this one is very them the poltergeist and you know obviously apple devices,
is a type of girls were they like making noise or the black new physical objects stuff like that very active yeah there there are more active in the physical world most.
Pulled over and you know is like spirit yeah porter geist.

[12:25] And it basically german it’s noisy noisy spirit.

[12:31] Oh so yeah yeah wasn’t happening soon okay became so common that will organizers of the tumors even talk to offering a full refund to visor is there something spooked.
Which is.

[12:45] That’s an easy way to get your money back so those tears also a good morning take the tell all the people saying this is what i spaces for real that’s true that’s very true yeah collecting it will tiny.

[12:59] Movies plays and magic shows where they be like those with weak constitutions leave the theater are beautifully and our.
Do i always have that one asshole like i’m fine really fine it happens booking number out with.

[13:16] So it after rocking these two was cracked open their settlement numbers in incidents bleeding level in spirit.
We covered that psychic investigators a television cameras arrived in.
In two thousand three the house of the organizer of the ghost tours caught fire and all the papers the collected about bloody mackenzie were destroyed which.
Can’t just be a house fire wall but it is in its a coincidence it is ceo as a circumstantial but it has definitely fall into the well in seventy case we’re looking circumstantial piling up yeah.
I know i had relatives who was very very spiritual or religious and believes that one of us is they took an.
I was basically exist because every house they took him into the burn down ball handling sounding as we are in like two.
And like a meeting and lunch is really.
Cares reschedule that money for something to possibly and there is possible there’s little bit of neglect their you know that is not paying as close attention as they should be ready but there’s also.
I mean with the kids singer nothing’s happening house of veal of fire burns out right from yeah like see this fire started just after,
take the blue makes me think of my all time is a bit of a tangent my all time favorite family guy joke is.

[14:49] The episode with the with the british people take over the pub and.

[14:54] So lois investigating cuz the the the bridge be bought the pub and then.
It like immediately burned down so that i can see her in this insurance adjuster investigating and i like going to the guys office and they find documents and most like my god he taco.
He took three different insurance policies and its way more than the bar is worth and it’s like.
Insurance adjuster says that only ice axel of those policies and she’s like well did you get suspicious when the barbara down right away right after release policies.
He’s like no actually it happens all the time and many discuss this like selling the fee it looks like.

[15:41] I am an idiot oh my god that one.
What was that again that was family guy family guy right not known for its new ones comedy but that that will be like what happens all the.

[15:57] My favorite is the load is my favorite family guy one is because couple were here is saying he never.
Four until he was in his thirties is present what tell that yeah that was that was a good one doesn’t have been having a really good bit that he is a low tolerance for for alcohol and he to the lip of a lick of,
butter rum ice cream cone and half of a separate gift from where did you go on forever affiliates,
that’s that’s awesome but it’s really not that far when i remember when yeah well was supposed to in this.
Yeah or anything when i was with anyway yeah sorry no no i’m okay.
Some people people have been on the greater two hours after merger with scratches talking to for broken fingers like i said some people collapsed and there’s one account that.
I’m not sure if this was from the i believe this was from the scotsman i found this one that there was a family that claims that one of their members it going mad after visiting the the churchyard which you know.
With the complex issues with mental health and stuff like that and then claiming and there’s no way to follow up on him like yeah.
But still it’s like you know if anything were trouble with like why did you take them to fix this place have raise her take them into a place that’s so awful that is exacerbated in the.

[17:31] But this is interesting and kinda like goes against the whole world are just doing this for publicity re.
He got so dangerous at one point that the amber of city council seal off your panties grave and the church are two hours were cancelled.
But reports of strange happenings in the area continued.
Today there have been while four hundred and fifty documented attacks jesus is the any and this is where we can that mountain of circumstantial at least a hundred and forty people have collapsed which.

[18:05] You know i believe that you had a handful year that would collapse for yeah from the height great but.
Do hundreds of people that is that just from like where’s in from of me two thousand one to leave this one was like from two thousand six,
to today.
So the crap yeah and there’s even been suggestions that the spirit may be responsible for one death here’s the account that he in two thousand and amber a psychic medium name calling grant attempted exorcism of the churchyard is one pic of.
Would pick a fight i guess is he said he was picking up evil forces and refused to enter the graveyard without a bible across grant we all without.
Oh no did that that start okay can as are you from grant told us family to the church work guard was home to two hundred and happy spirits he believe them to be the cover enters that add.
Been held there and starve to death he said that there are there was more to be done it gray fryers but two months later at the age of sixty six he died suddenly of a massive heart attack which.

[19:15] Sixty six especially nowadays is not that will not happen but it’s totally but still not legally possible it’s still highly possible rate.

[19:24] But in those mystery mentioned that people were starved to death here so did i mention that this was once a concentration camp on the same grounds,
you mad but i’m serious okay so here’s the story of the commenters prison which is on the site.
Let’s see in the coming enters on again and their history little bit see understand some context about why this happened to.
Okay so they started a rebellion that broke out in sixteen seventy nine and after unexpected success of a group of commenters armed with pitchforks alike against government forces led by john graham.

[20:02] Of copper house at the battle of drum cog four times already looked in.
Danger of losing control the south and west of scotland as more and more people joined the rebel camp at bothwell near glasgow but only a few weeks after the drum club victory the rebels were defeated at the battle of both will break.
Which buffalo prayer is important because this is the battle that the love is pure w’s are gonna come from the cup well rebels is made covers prison was can’t.
Was connected to great price per carat the stone gateway and lot with the metal gate near the mackenzie mausoleum.
It was once home to a estimate twelve hundred unfortunate members of the failed revolution.
They stay there in the winter of sixteen seventy nine through sixteen eighty conditions at the prison were so brutal.
That only two hundred fifty seven of those twelve hundred made it out alive cheeses yeah.
I was looking at some images of the best places to get a contact of like how large it is only and i have a lot of great photos i found of the correct are the sites were talking about will be included in the channels.
This period of repression of governors and the downfall of their religious class in scotland actually became known as the killing time is.
The weather is reading that could you imagine people on the news just be like well killing amy minute we are in a war of terror you now purge.

[21:43] For a.

[21:47] Let’s see and you know the government during this killing time they really were persecuting coven occurs all over the country,
there are reports the government officials were so aren’t and the persecution that and a quote here from book called kilometers the fifty years of struggle.
If a store is learned that are murdered covenant error had been given a decent burial their bodies were usually dissenters and buried in place is reserved for thieves and malcontents.
What are often the corpse was changed or beheaded first and burying the body in the courtyard could result in another punitive death.
It’s so messed up but the doesn’t kill you but like.
We have your body and then like only leave your body in the place where they throw criminal buddy’s thing but i don’t know why would you hang in the head them again.
Is already dead play it’s a religious war just pure hatred is what you sell off all fucked yeah that’s so crazy.
So you know refers kirk yard is also has something that’s kind of unique to this graveyard,
you know like i said at the beginning this is crossroad for all sorts of weird is noisy these are called more safes and what these are is the air typical leasing all cemeteries.
Are and sorry typical of most cemetery security card stone angels and cool figures and stuff like that and tombstones so expect to see a graveyard but.

[23:23] The courtyard has a particularly strange thing that you’re gonna see a lot of that is these imposing metal grills the cover over the top of graves.
It looks like the grave is like locked in a cage and nothing its picture in our lives looks like the berry the shark cage on the ground but didn’t buried all the way so that the top part of the top part of the cage itself is on the ground.
So what happened here is that in the early eighteen hundreds the university of and burrows prestigious medical studies programs flourishing.
The spark in inadvertent underground trading corpses stolen by body snatchers and sold to the local students.

[24:03] Soon when are the new furious practice because it was so profitable became an epidemic to prevent these entrepreneur’s for making off.
With their loved ones families with protect the grace by boxing them and large iron cages call more safe that ran deep into the ground so apparently those like run all the way.
What that’s a good description area of a shark cage are very half of the ground we just get is hanging idea of and the bars on them look like.
I mean this isn’t something like even if they brought like a horse and wagon into the graveyard electron pull it off you would get it but it’s crazy tough.

[24:41] What’s the whole point is lent you don’t not able to break into.
The light your love to your loved ones you know the upgrade if so that the pictures insufficient yeah.
So there you’ll see me another pretty creepy.

[24:59] Cool cuz pc and use you think like to where they were the corpse to come back and i can eastern europe where they find bodies were a metal and iron steak is driven through the heart of course yeah facts right yes.
So you know not everything with the grief is kirk yard is all like doom and gloom and course cages.

[25:21] That there’s a popular story in the graveyard of grey friars bobby,
for the last hundred forty years and noble looking bronze sc skye terrier has stood guard outside the grounds and watch over the kirk yard it bro.
Emperor’s have championed the story of grey fryers bobby a loyal dog this dude stood vigil over his deceased owners gray for fourteen years until his death at which point he was buried near,
his beloved master’s plot which i heard this story i’m like i wonder if this was the inspiration for the dressing park episode from.
From futurama where the dog wait for fri forever all so loose in a super sad.

[26:09] This handsome dog.
That the stories memorial light skin books and movies by historians now say that while the pup existed his extended morning was probably a fabricated marketing ploy by the local cemetery curator.
And a nearby restaurant owner to encourage tourism.
Most likely stick around for all the free food and tension he got from visitors when i mean yeah yes when i lose my job source of income on the street to story land never left this place.
People come see me and just forget everything.
That’s it that’s billion with a girl ago i kinda did the nails people bring me breakfast and lunch and.
And ow to put a great let’s cuddle like this this yo he’s an idiot like me actually is.
This is a tangent but they actually they have a problem with in rural areas they have these like snake charmer isn’t guys can levitate stuff like that the do basically many performances but basically say it’s because they’re holy man.
And they are blessed by a dvd or something like that and so i saw this thing about the indian government sending these teams to sign of like,
researchers and stuff into these world enders it villages and showing them the tricks and showing them how it’s done because it’s become this like cottage industry in india to rip off these with these rural villages to show up and you know.
Levitate in front of them or something like that to district in there like always so holy and blessed lady stay here for a month and giving free room board and stuff like that.

[27:44] This week on money out of people and it’s because like becoming an epidemic and there’s a lot of people who like or still have la from those areas don’t really.
Practicing scales house i lose i perform for that is to say like you make a lot of money rec’d from you make a lot of money would.
Yeah i’m not travelling israel is you that’s the difference yeah.

[28:10] Um let’s see so set me up start run for food and what not.
This is the other thing i had no idea about for a first for karen until i researched for this podcast was that this is the graveyard that.
Let’s see fans of harry potter books might recognize a name or two on the grave stones of grey fryers kirk yard one promise stone which has become pilgrimage site for potter fans bears the name thomas riddle,
how did that happen all j came rolling with has previously said that the tombstone of thomas riddle esquire,
in the famous courtyard may have subconsciously been the inspiration for voldemort to name since she often took stroll through that pass that exact spot which is overlooked by,
the elephant house cafe where she wrote several of the books.
So how can she say subconscious well okay then the navy blue is actually spelled different me plus almond,
any ideas any damage done this before re watch is consume so much information and so you know and then eventually you come up with a story and it’s until after the fact that all,
is it was inspired by my surroundings system like i’ve done that.

[29:27] At cost so i read that was different like oh yeah that’s my son and it makes sense to me that you would know for sure i’d like.
Bro i remember seeing it as possible as it is it will make no breaks right let’s see.

[29:42] And then the nearby gravestone of william yeah will poet william madonna call.
Is it all mechanical sorry is also said to have offered inspiration for the name of professor madonna call the head of griffin door.

[30:00] While nearby george harriet school is claimed to be the template for hogwarts and i haven’t seen a picture of the school but there’s a lot of people claim that it looks a lot like.
My card works and am looking at right now cuz that was all i haven’t been in a c or fridge.

[30:18] Okay exposure to our,
she xp weather it’s the ri.
Three hundred.

[30:33] It’s mr like really hungry three hundred forty.
Forty yeah it is okay little more square than hogwarts but other than that definitely me and that’s a movie interpretation of what of what they think it should look like not you know.
That’s pretty cool place i never receive will yeah the screen so i wanna go to school there.

[31:01] I’m not sure the girls will there probably most likely.

[31:05] Just sign on what we all want to be an elementary kid again and does all we have to worry about is getting a paper turned in and just go home and eat and sleep for free and yeah lol man.

[31:18] What is he who know all day pass,
raise your truck as long as the new ceo of yeah i’d like a brother to six as a single mom for like eight days.
And he had no homework on this so i have to sign his assignment no because of the thing now we have to prove that,
i checked his home were verifying that he is his work so i did my job as a parent he did his job as the student and so my friend of mine from high school she’s actually his home room teacher says i think right lol,
play notes everyday nice distances in my name and he calls her by her,
name like mrs lewis and mrs smith and it has a name as and i’m just like you mean mary,
and he’s like no it isn’t makes a very late payment of part time of the so and the pork if a man and then yeah,
he also ugly cried about,
not being able to post something on instagram because case you use that term like must a been on facebook in mission with this ugly cry where you are crying and rolling and not as a is,
you just so overcome with so much emotion you can we can you just use look ugly and so.

[32:41] It’s okay he is terrible is all control.
He is giving advice and you’ll spend as much time as he wants on his device and he is dead to the world that you can tell him anything lol pay you will pay attention to sell,
to help restrict the time he gets on his devices and the internet on my parents bought this device called the circle,
as a device that’s market of a disney and was feels kickstarter project but then disney picked up so what is basically.
Sleek of the fire wall of sorts that you plug in ti throughout your outer you determine like who can have internet access and who can’t okay and if your.
If you are devices are doesn’t mean that the child device then you can mr how much time they get when when when the can and cannot be on the internet like you can be in the internet past midnight youre yeah,
and other restrictions to a lake on you cant see like a doll type content which extends,
far beyond just being yelled at like you can’t really porn sites that is more like i can’t see john oliver videos on you tube so it’s that it’s and with the help there because when i was there and,
my phone got played the child has to but he is so big and the jet so i couldn’t,
the last week with john oliver which really bummed me out and then my internet got shut off of ninety five.

[34:17] What is the only color in florida like it to me the fuck up as it needs evening is like what for like,
are you kidding me my keys so much for looking out recipes i can make dinner and then check my e-mail is like,
that’s in digit will give you access it guys from the power is the one you need to allow up the internet so yeah i was so screwed up so you is he,
what was the picture to instagram and it was getting close to the end of his power of his time he have allowed for the day and got,
kick off,
and how many ways so that he could not share this picture of him and his friend that his show choir concert and,
this is the only relevant like to thank all the everybody knows that will this is,
thirteen and he was a mess thirteen any serious content will be re,
yes jesus christ was it was really actually wanted me raising i mean down yeah i just can’t is his age it’s you notice there’s a bunch of other for,
actors but yeah he was so so upset that he could not post this picture to instagram and is thinking well you should’ve thought of it earlier.

[35:48] And for sure you didn’t so is this is what happens if i don’t necessarily agree with that wasn’t even when he’s on netflix and when it into an hour so he’s like oh to have episodes of the office um like.
What’s the address give you the d to work remind me that was my life from the,
he’s so sorry you need a hug or all of has ridges used by people and it just above my internet usage my parents so.

[36:21] That sucks man yeah so i should as i civilization doesn’t like i’m looking for a mom of really make,
yeah the one in the white that good good the only one hundred degrees in trouble substances are moving across international borders of gonna be on the streets of bangkok six hours and,
is mom cat nicaraguan uncle is here so what was relieving back to it,
all of the martin school indian school in the am so so i don’t know and i can’t curious though on.
Like what other pple turkeys.
Across like is that just an idiot like the united states and important is do crazy shit you hear stories about stuff but and then there are videos out there that are disturbing on you too if you search form but.

[37:21] This one is particularly active and i’m not use to what really stands out in this case to me is.
The violence is usually horrible forgot it is usually that’s one thing when i was looking i was in my sisters like oh ghosts what is i mean everyone scared of it but was actually due to other than stand over yeah well.
It’s like they just creep you out of this this ghost is like it wants to fucking play be you down mother fucker yeah any friends you can device in the red one account that.
I couldn’t get it so they can confirm it but it was just like the only place i solve this story referenced but there was one to where guide that claims that.
Mackenzie is actually a gentleman to ladies and will.

[38:13] Will gently push women aside and then attack then in the group so it’s usually men that attacked lol.
If that psychic death.
Is related to send me out to the poltergeist and make more sense that’s interesting that you won’t cordless you saying i’m safe if i go there it sounds like not from the fainting or passing out now the.
But it sounds like women generally are the ones that get like beat right rate.
Cuz i know it is like c for free being according to the chocolate factory instead of what do the tourist business,
what’s the coco gear,
being from supernatural entity or could have anything else besides you can probably still two of the greatest and is don’t do ghost tours any longer cuz yeah yeah some of them is with selected to evict me the photos,
taken during the day or just corel had so beautiful and has a history nerd on light during all this stuff and there are some pictures the actual.

[39:22] Prison yard them with a pickup the people in the ass like the old stone buildings are still there stuff like that st cool slash creepy but yeah.
That’s very intense that’s awesome maybe one day we’ll visit scotland that at ten and at murray,
if i go though the last in my hair apparel for lol yeah the last night my william wallace world is it’s like.
This place is like in proximity when i was researching this this castle or of like will this castle was used by william wallace are this castle was help,
still by the british occupied but william wallace’s from the on just above or fourteen well you know.

[40:07] And like alot of sites that are famous for stuff that robert the bruce didn’t think that robert the bruce.
The king of the base were getting stalled by the actions of all of.
They if you remember the movie braveheart all l o okay i understand that i am closer.

[40:34] The light is not working well what’s funny is historically robert the bruce isn’t much were.
What think your if you actually look at the documents of he was the film braveheart that turn william wallace’s into the elevator builder i.
Which is why a lot of people it’s controversial in the movie that.
Walla walla sweets turnover by robert the bruce is part of the the steamer every trace and insurance crown and.
That there are leaks dollars that’s a that’s what happened in there schoolers that’s not what happens like that but that’s the with of film crew went with yeah and now.
So that movie doesn’t do a lot of people feel like it doesn’t do movie far.
To service robert bruce because he goes on in the fighting like a much bigger war with the british after that and ends up being the one that actually like makes stalin country system ac holding.
Exactly right for a sequel and you know what the world needs travis worse equals through the sharing holes.
This is true this is equals how i knew he was given a civil alright into the third installment.
Your ego water the second movie trilogies usually like the best one here answers all the little.
Until she it first usually i’m origin stories.

[42:02] Yeah why an origin story saying i like.
I like telling the whole story and so i like cool stories i like origin stories and can i just say that the very beginning will.
Here’s do i like history so we talked and story if it’s like.
These are the factions in this is how it got started saying stuff like that then that oranges are in good with but i hate the like the tv show gotham style orders story where to slay were working like.
You know coming of age story yeah that’s and that’s a deep dive i don’t like the dive coming of age kind of like you know what me,
batman that will not listed the most recent breach movie in the making another one now but in the jim carrey one drove me nuts that,
i’d like the grinch is the bridge i don’t need,
right thirty forty minute explanation of his background about how we was teased as a kid and so yeah yeah this is tedious.
So when you are researching more about the seventh george mckenzie like his back story.
I mean do you find much about him i i didn’t look much past the fact that he was definitely part of the government forces that were cracking down the television covenant or say,
and so yeah he probably to place a lot of the atrocities that you know we would describe where he was.
Probably like he’s probably one of the guys like dug up bodies and help painter at all so now and then explain to me what the coventry was worried and.

[43:40] So computers are like a branch of presbyterian is okay oh okay and.
Specifically in this instance it seems like it’s all of the fact that they’re presbyterians and then they are.
Both that and a political movement where is you had the establishment which.
I think in scotland at the time that i’m slot of history here i think they were catholic at this point cuz this is after the english revolution and.
So i think we’re getting really close to when in when starting later emerged become in you know oh united kingdom or pretty fascia that’s that’s what i’m looking for and so.
There’s a lot of like.
People trying to let you could have a bonnie ship prince charlie rebellion either plate with this or shortly after like it at the white.
Few decades after words um yeah it’s so basically using them as not the right.
Religion is the right time in this stupid religious wars that you’re a as far as lee.
Because it’s like all the sudden you came came in and he was either catholic or different protestant or weight gain only or puritan i think that’s what it ties into because of the english revolution being so close i’m guessing that.
Stalin being controlled by england and england was being run by puritans.

[45:12] That maybe that’s what why they were persecuted oh i see how can this and so is so it’s like you have.
Does the spanish who are establishment and.
Cracking down on the wall.
Loyalist to actual identity of an independent scotland who are different religion and stuff like that and then we have religious fucks up a lot of shit.
If the bullshit is but it’s also i mean i had a friend one time who was like just all it does is cause working right now and now it’s that’s not it at all either cuz he.
The thing is when we look at any religious conflict you’re also going to find.

[46:02] So ceo or economic or political thing as well break is set to the coming years and this is one of those stupid religious wars.
But there’s also legitimate like an independent scotland vs scotland is basically a puppet for england going on here so,
which one of these is the real driver for the common man maybe the latest thing is driver for their leadership maybe other things right for me and everything in between.
It’s not it’s not just religion or just politics both exactly yeah.

[46:33] Let me see those that refers to your the most haunted cemetery in the world.
Although i don’t know if this was the most hundred one cuz like i said they claim it there’s one that will cover down the road in chile i’m going to that is super super freaky hearted in the middle of the desert and.
White people don’t it’s basically like no man’s land and will tell you all about the future chapter so.
Yeah thank you for listening to my copper more now it’s after five that was chapter five know what for.
Set before chapter four and once again don’t forget to support us on patria on if you wanna think is in your queue don’t wanna pay money are you don’t.
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 3 Dreams

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 3 Dreams

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Dream interpretation is the process of assigning meaning to dreams. In many ancient societies, such as those of Egypt and Greece, dreaming was considered a supernatural communication or a means of divine intervention, whose message could be interpreted by people with these associated spiritual powers.

In modern times, various schools of psychology and neurobiology have offered theories about the meaning and purpose of dreams. Most people currently appear to interpret dream content according to the Freudian theory of dreams in countries, as found by a study conducted in the United States, India, and South Korea.


One of the earliest written examples of dream interpretation comes from the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh dreamt that an ax fell from the sky. The people gathered around it in admiration and worship. Gilgamesh threw the ax in front of his mother and then he embraced it like a wife. His mother, Ninsun, interpreted the dream. She said that someone powerful would soon appear. Gilgamesh would struggle with him and try to overpower him, but he would not succeed. Eventually, they would become close friends and accomplish great things. She added, “That you embraced him like a wife means he will never forsake you. Thus your dream is solved.


In ancient Egypt, priests acted as dream interpreters. Hieroglyphics depicting dreams and their interpretations are evident. Dreams have been held in considerable importance through history by most cultures.


Dreams can occur anytime during sleep. But most vivid dreams occur during deep, REM (rapid eye movement) sleep when the brain is most active. Some experts say we dream at least four to six times per night.


Studies have shown the importance of dreams to our health and well-being. In one study, researchers woke subjects just as they were drifting off into REM sleep. They found that those who were not allowed to dream experienced:

Increased tension
Difficulty concentrating
Lack of coordination
Weight gain
Tendency to hallucinate


Many experts say that dreams exist:

Help solve problems in our lives
Incorporate memories
Process emotions
If you go to bed with a troubling thought, you may wake with a solution, or at least feel better about the situation.

Sigmund Freud believed dreams are a window into our subconscious. He believed they reveal a person’s:

Unconscious Desires




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[0:26] They are very welcome to convert one chapter three today we’re talking about dream interpretation of dreams.

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Wow thank you have the x and the really good thinking.
So everybody have you and get into your stuff for the natural though and i’ll if nobody objects i need to jump right into just a little bit of background for everybody before we get into the actual dream interpretation here,
dream interpretation is the process of assigning meaning to dreams in many ancient societies such as those of egypt increase dreaming was considered a supernatural communication r means divine intervention.

[1:35] I was message could be interpreted by people with these associated spiritual powers.
In modern times various schools of psychology and neuro biology have offered theories about the meaning and purpose of dreams.
Most people currently appear to interpret dream content according to forty in theory of dreams this is based on a study conducted in united states in the south korea.
Amazing to freud influence like that far out but i mean yeah it’s like is the foundation for all psychology so is that make sense we spent a lot of time on dreams.

[2:08] Let’s see one of the earliest written examples of dream interpretation comes from the babylonian epic of gilgamesh which has made of reference before is like one of the oldest human stories that we have that,
that made it to modern times illustrated and acts fell from the sky people gathered around it in at duration worship.
Gilgamesh through the acts in front of his mother and then he embraced at like a wife his mother,
mean son interpreted the dream she said that someone powerful with soon appear gilgamesh would struggle with him and try to over power him but he would not succeed eventually they would become close friends and accomplish great things she added.
That you embraced him like a wife means that you will he will never for sake you that’s the dream is solved.
And if you know the epic of gilgamesh they’re talking about enkidu his plate best friend like to you know those two are like batman and superman words like they’re gonna like fight at first and then they come together and there like basically the batman superman of babylonian all.
So it is in clearly a reference to a new.
Is that you you will find out we see the men is an electrical does it usually involves me temple prostitutes is the.
Six your marriage okay for the rest oh well played well played sir.

[3:39] Speaking in ancient egypt preece after this dream interpreters hieroglyphics depicting dreams and their interpretations are evident.
Dreams are held a considerable importance in heat throughout history it by most cultures.
I’m getting a little bit into the the science of dreams dreams can occur at any time during sleep but the most vivid dreams occur during ram or rapid eye movement sleep.
When the brain is most active some experts say that we dream at least four to six times per night i have heard that.

[4:13] Studies show me importance of dreams to our health and wellbeing in one study researchers what subjects up just as they were drifting off into rem sleep.
They found that those who are not allowed to dream which,
jesus christ yeah plan that exuberance asshole is that sounds like the beginning of a creepy pastas it will take with your dreams like its phone at a blood saying cassette tape when of like,
swimming hole in the ground that was the laboratory is rates yeah,
he is what is and isn’t a creepy pasta but up in these actual studies,
here’s what i found the not being able to dream causes increase tension anxiety depression difficulty.
Lack of coordination weight gain and at the fun one a tenancy to loose a,
because this immediately makes me think of the episode of star trek the next generation way back in the day of where they all get infected with something that makes the can dream so all the episode the key,
i mean it was like super creepy like waking dreams or hallucinations of the worst one was the,
did they pick it up from doing this like recovery operation were like a hole in the colonists at night so she’s in this hangar with all these bodies covered in blankets.
And she just like looks up from the one she’s working with or whatever and they’re all the stuff still covered but they’re all sitting up by all of them i probably saw that and was like,
ten was without air and that is scared the shit like royal in that was star trek which is living g tv show though is but that’s the vein of figuring out that was the cause was that none of them to dream.

[5:55] We can’t reach rem sleep in so the world of slowly going insane it was causing the accidents all the shipping was nations from.
Let’s see many experts say that dreams this to help solve problems in our lives incorporate memories process emotions.
And stay help you if you go to bed with trouble thought you may wake with the solution or at least feel better about the situation no going back to what freud said about dreams.
He believed that dreams reveal people’s unconscious desires their hidden thoughts and motivations.
Basically he talk like they were expression of all the stuff that you want to do what you really wanna do but can’t because society won’t let you share progress.
Yeah there’s a my dreams are clearly not that was apparently i wanted like explorer like really creepy shit yeah rainy life.
Well i do most of hot gas that’s creepy shit arabia.
The dreams park hold it might soften and that’s all of that.
Is michael and i was going to do that to my psychology degree the consensus was about trimming is that is basically just your brain filtering out.
You know the crap that you go through the draft day is evidence of and i seen in like my own dreams about okay that’s what this is but why did filter it that way take what is wrong with my filter that has the you know sorted.

[7:32] And then but then there’s also do that just like the fuck c,
when is no list to the strength of the wake up and you’re just like what the boss lady in do i to connect with what use is.
I dreamed i was on a vampire and.
Actually drinking people’s blood and i have no interest in vampire they didn’t bulbs the twilight series i mean that might cause that the vampires probably light buffet the vampire slayer notice when time.
Was it washing and had a honey to wash that that was honestly i had no reference for this.
And is like okay filter with ron late what is going on here than the other stuff to worry get visitation dreams you now.
And what’s the visitation so visitation dreams are win eleven who is crossover will visit you in a dream and the dreams are creepy,
well yes no so it depends on the content of the dream because sometimes it really isn’t them but then the other times he really is them and you’ll know that it’s that it’s a visitation dream because it’ll feel.
It’ll feel very real you be able to have an actual conversation like you’ll be able to.
Ask the question the one asking have a conversation the one half it’ll feel like the middle smell like then it’ll.

[9:07] It’ll like just envelope almost your whole senses,
i had my first visitation dream when i was eighteen my great grandfather had passed away and my parents are going through a rough divorce i was hacked going in senior high schools i have a bunch of stress article hyman life well.
I’ve been crying myself to sleep for and how many nights in a row and then just there’s very upset all the las vegas was the first person that a little closer than they actually passed cell.
I have a dream with him in it where i.
Eighth get from my bed in my bedroom and walk into the living room and he’s laying down on the couch almost like its a simulated funeral home all over again which kinda freaked me out and i was like.
What is this and display and just pulls all hearing how’s it going on like.
Is this real or is it you cuz yachts israel fall on my deck while your dead though but.
Where are you right now and he just like won’t little difficult to say where i’m at right now and i tell anthony to work through but i just want you to know that you’re happy so sad about the time but that’s okay you can you can line.
And i’m like but i really miss you i don’t know what to do and he’s like they don’t worry about it just pray you know this focus on happier things and you’ll start to feel better and sell.

[10:38] I was like okay and i traded more information from him about where exactly it was he because and will.
I thought for sure he’d heaven or purgatory or something like that for use of dreaming me did you know you were during all that i was injured during this and then.
And his body he was very vega i couldn’t get an answer out of him so is eventually just his her drop the issue and the music will you know it’s time to go now so mike okay well i love you and then i woke up immediately.
And my aunt hired bedrooms mel like him i need.
Super strong smell where i was late what is email it in i don’t have anything of his in my room shirt so it was just like i couldn’t.
He only went out i try to figure out where this whole coming from that was so intense and then i was able to go back to sleep while.
I went so i was there when i have a slab on obviously the listeners that tickets will that make him and i was working in the school office as one of the existing secretaries and so,
the preset and the teachers at all filter every office through the author of a period and one day with our school priest came into the office and i was like hey,
access is question because i did not to go to meet you somewhere by that your dad great grandfather talk to who you go to go your cat that you go your priest do you figure it out and.

[12:11] And ask them about it,
and he uses a this is a dream is nobody on display for you do you like flying.
Moment and your husband has bullshit like.
No way would break up the time of day he was a two minute conversation and music is,
at the little jaded gonna say line of your excuse me i have to go before his ritual from skynet think i was the gas so,
i really talk to bunch of other people and discuss talk with more people at the age of eighteen and nineteen i found that,
people who have visitation green and then i had a little more research into it news since like no one has a genuine experience,
did is a graph is that wasn’t fully the experience i wanted but it was the best that happened so so yeah so visitation is there.
I’ve only ever had two that i know of that one and i have the other one so so yeah isn’t it doesn’t happen very slowly,
three sorry she’s okay soppy size will always on have anything together it’s basically like a committee that meets like every stain.
Can we talk about one of two not like the frequency of which i have a very far apart but not the pronoun do we have a fantasy football league with.

[13:46] Well i was in the dream is what i should he.
But i was so i was reading about this news book i read called the.
Journey of our souls and it is not a nickel destiny of our souls is both written by dr michael newton who’s sa psychologists and he’s been past life regression on his patients and,
he acts accidentally regressing me to a soul level and so is it just the price of his books so he,
he paper dressing people to their solo he was able to find out more information any able to help them heal lake.
Yow old injuries and larry out of depression anxiety.

[14:32] Tyrell organ issues like basically things that happen than in past lives and now of trent having transmitted and occur in life those kind of the very fast even when they’re all he stays so it’s not just lay.
Some for for a medium regular people on this sunday the man science saying.

[14:51] I was just trying to help you relax and then using the start talking about past life from all a sudden it’s a reno doing past life regression to have a positive result and that’s the office after her anybody am items will,
continue doing it and i residues little and i don’t know what to do with the stuff i guess does that make it look so that the western,
can you explain what that means regressed someone to a soul level cousin as a new but i’m just totally like slightly kill them and bring them back i was like does he still have his memories so okay so,
we we all of butter all spirit with all her soul.
And when our souls have had many lives in so we need you a past life regression on somebody your taking them back to previous lifetime and when they do let well what’s.
What happens in the truck but you have in between time between linear soul a two in your soul be,
this is the last you’ll break room just like you go get yogurt or something and then come back what happens in that in between time when you’re not sold a reversal be your actually,
your your soul and your somewhere between and i people having people call it whatever you wanna call it so they there’s this whole sold round.
And that’s where you go to the with your social group you figure what your gonna put you’re gonna be in your next letter in the mail female if you’re going to universal group.

[16:25] He is over he has seniors over like this is all on.
So yeah thirty this’ll rumor has soulmate is not display is,
what people say so many of the prisoners was america’s actually you multiple soul mates where they is not just like person he marries also the person that the knowledge are friends with or are they your siblings with their,
email mother father whatever on.
What’s the point of this is is that dude in doing the solberg russians he found out that,
set alarm for a dream visitation to happen,
all of these elements have to be lined up just right your your stages sleep past the jesse reyna soul and if your vibration has to be just for a little so it’s that’s why it’s not working every day.
Current every night occurrence we’ll have a visitation dream that’s the profound whatever mean to sell.

[17:27] So so that’s,
but they didn’t under your ball but don’t let her dreaming the visitation tree i mean i’ve heard of people seeing dead people of dreams sir but no there was like a whole like,
saying in theory around and write and and i do whatever just make sure that your listeners know that if you your thing i alway hesitation the ones that really scared the shit out of me there is there are,
if it doesn’t come from a place of love and if it doesn’t come from a place of meaningful miss to then it’s not a visitation like it if you eleven the pain came back to you and their bleeding and screaming and crying does not,
it is not visitation very impressed that is amazing and that’s that’s not even that’s on them so.
Size one and makes that clear because of because i have had clients come to me and say like what my love when he was still hurting look mingles at nine on the other side,
they are healthy they’re holier sometimes are younger sometimes a fair he just do depends on but they have to deal with and their current lifestyle and is that’s.
What’s that sorry to whom or where learning is as.
Residence much about it so yeah and then you yell in your prophetic dreams and you have a pic.
Okay i’m not doing this.
Perfect thing doesn’t specifically mean you dream about something that hasn’t happened yet so screens is exactly that is usually on something that hasn’t happened yet a predicts something that’s to to come i would have prophetic dreams.

[19:09] Constantly when i was a kid and there is bullshit was those kids that leaving a very lake.
You know impactful life you know i would go about things are gonna happen the next day at school or sometimes i have only as it was a week and state.
On the playground exist in their by visual goal when i would see the scene unfold before my eyes and then come back and i would.
Then it will happen if you miss their sometimes days later his dependant cell.
So those are prophetic dreams and then you had a few of those when i was little yeah just like i don’t know what what was going on but it like i remember being at this one hospital fall.
And we were like waiting for a car for for mama because it when i was a kid was a common thing sounds interesting grandma to dialysis,
and we were little we just run along with flashing like i always tripped out here in for dialysis tuesday wednesday tuesday evening and i’m,
are the weather tuesday thursday or whatever and now i just it.
So i was like laying in the backseat but looking up out through the window and there was like a very distinct airplane going over head as a baby is more deja blue but i could swear.
That being cool looking up seeing that airplane travel through that window i could have sworn that like i had dreamed that before,
but it seems that exact same airplane in the exact same spot that i was laying down in the back of the car in this parking lot,
and yeah yeah sure that stage of work that’s because i don’t know i don’t remember the specific dream.

[20:44] At the time but i could have sworn it that that’s where i’d seen great yeah that’s that’s probably my vin diesel but a but i had instances where he,
i deserve so often.
That i was so sure i dreamt it so i started recording down my dreams because i need to prove to my parents that know all this was a dream that i had and this is how i know and.
I live i will record i never actually,
get off that happens you don’t have your dream travel with you entry level analyst happening fit soul but i was able to prove to myself that okay i’m not crazy i am actually dream these prophetic dreams and sell.
But i but i even deserve late.

[21:33] Handle anything that people do you have days of new videos of the people to perfectly in there that are very much these other fish moment so it took about,
prophetic dreams train visitation dreams there any other classes wish classifications of dreams should know about things funny things there’s also a quiet over there travis.
I’m taking it all in.
Are you a movie on dreams and space long as i remember ever having injury and allow really don’t.
I don’t think i sleep enough to have surgery it’s all that’s left is light,
your sleep cycle is just totally shot is not set is also a calzone with hearing classification there’s also.

[22:26] I mean there’s there’s nightmares i mean what i think we all have had there’s what else is there.
Any people talk about you don’t sleep paralysis that’s a completely different that was in the cover on a different be its own episode when we get to that right all recurring dreams.
Switch the streets of it’s winter i have a clear is when i was in high school is really turn it up like french kissing,
so i have one about believer in french kissing me and i was like it happened so,
often when i was just laid off making molecule in the living room when using only kiss using up a lot and then he was like oh so yeah they,
that was that was the weirdest referring to myra had an healing dreams signal dreams.
The signal dreams help you to how to solve problems or make decisions in your waking life.
Never had those all the trees holy crap i have everyone’s that i wanna make a new movie cuz it was just like.
Epic yes yeah so epic as in like you like lead an army on a distance like.
Son of a bitch i’m getting screwed in madrid apart they are okay so what is definition here is a pic dreams,
also you for it was great dreams cause my dreams or in new minas dreams are so huge so compelling and so did,
that you cannot ignore them the details of such dreams remain with you for years as if you just read that last night because of a couple of these days i have these dreams possess much beauty and contain many architectural some allergy.

[24:09] Wake up from such a dream you feel that you have discovered something profound or amazing about yourself or about the world it feels like a life changing experience experience yeah.
Well i don’t know about life changing experience that it definitely was like.
Don’t have way it is one of those dreams a driver when you know knots with because you talking about and it’s so hard to like talk to other people about dreams cuz no one can you know generally unless it’s something cool or creepy years after like where’s,
this cuz specific conversation about dreams then it’s like.
That’s okay whatever is left i can go to work on monday and be like i’ll have you got.
You’re about the stream had no what does that mean that oh yeah who was out here it.
Orders progressive dreams where dreams occur we have a sequence of dreams that continue over a period of nights i had this the do check the dream continues we left off on the previous night.
And sessions are problems all leaders help us were different options and various approaches to problems situation serious as like serial story telling.
Dude that is awesome yeah and new filter and seven between myself and my brother unusual to describe when two people have the same dream,
michigan’s maybe planned it mean that you can actively work for driven one dream scenario call it is a way to improve communication build trust and believe this program at the same time the dream the same dream my little brother and me.

[25:40] We both drank that like.
He was driving like basically he was driving a car he was like eight years old as he was a leader produces during and.
On his it so that there’s a traffic cop standing in the middle of a row directing traffic and has like that is so weird i had a dream that i was it,
traffic backed up in so you is why did you bring me the link self okay nice is it boring conversation that you brushing your teeth before going to school.
So yeah so yeah those are there old.
All false awakenings have you ever have those now only got i have their.
The fuck you what i dreamt this wonderful business what epic and i had it.
What’s the code to her okay and she says i can’t stand the after having already made that pretty clear by the courts to preference really and that was.

[26:48] They are now or something kg which is.
See i thought it wasn’t the ones who is no no you said you in spanish anyways that’s besides the point,
so in my dream i was at somebody’s house in the house is sold for a house and we’re eddie’s we have a family gathering and.
Play with the kids and be using and goes as they always did and then eventually headlight pack up and go home so it home and then,
send somebody mentioned me okay area going to twenty four hour smashing pumpkins concert housing what you even know bout that there will you better get that says a lot of times it gets cell,
they didn’t have any so then i went back and hold those of stressing out about it,
and then it went to bed and i woke up the next morning in my dream and and i was like freaking to get these tickets so and that going to this little store on the corner,
and there was this contest they are having you could win tickets itself a bottle i don’t like some the sodas or whatever insulated windows ticket to buy something like when a ticket and i ended up winning a ticket so um,
i would but the concert wasn’t until the next day so again away to bed or woke up on third day in dream world and,
show that to this concert like with a really for everybody else if i wanted to make sure that i had ample time but i see center center of and am.
As a looks like meet the band and given to fans of a go backstage for those who stupid the early for this concert and then i was able to enjoy.

[28:24] This fall concert and that was that was a green and that is always stuck with the dislike is so bizarre that.
I went to the the motions of late waking up getting dressed brushing my teeth like having a full day almost in dream world so yeah.
I’ll see the translator real-time.
Yeah the lakers probably twenty seconds when they have like a septic pneumonia and was blows my mind when i wake up at like its like for ten.
I don’t wanna be awake for at least another hour and go back to sleep and.
I have a dream or i swear i was in it for like a week you have a ten minute and it’s only been ten minutes it’s like something,
i know this is a yes or sleep time only problem is with that is that,
yeah that would be normally they were accepted state usually restful dreams so it’s usually like in the.
Okay so in fourteen minutes of biking if i can fall back asleep to recover from the week long.
Running from whatever was low when reading that tree when we were yeah yeah.
That’s very personal become so on and so kind that can county joins the category of training which i do.

[29:54] All the time you need interview dream dictionary tell you that.
But there is so yeah so then we once you wanna talk about your dreams race sure.
Travesty wondering is on your dreams yeah okay something is this okay or what was on.
Like i did popcorn three of us okay goes on the idea was the title of the at that was not right.
Ebay but to me it feels that way because i is stuck with me my entire life.
It’s like every blade week or so i think about what is that mean that i have had for a while but is like almost every week i had the same exact dream.
So the only way to explain the dream is that imagine my washing on tv like it was a camera so that so is used in fairway was nothing but white with a single dot.
When does black okay the kindle zoom in on that you live there yet.
And started trying to the right making a whining but it still would go longer since i claim sneak seven dollars data center making alignleft.
I am in a starter pull back sl and get their.
And then all of a sudden like a b and fuel comfort peasley snacks to three one always go like.

[31:29] Massively rapids wilson’s scratches areas all over the place.
Until i got claustrophobic feeling oh to start amaze me in on the whole cluster stuff to where like i almost feel trapped in this whole mess of clothes that line yeah.
And pull back alley california for work related citigroup know that.
Play is like right in between by blacks always station is working and the.
Which is always at your phone to scan it she exactly.
He did that is pretty much live with a dream inside every time like it just like.
Is your life smooth and nice and clean and go crazy and sporadic.
Pull back in the news i was watching so when you look at the eyes.
Do you get a sensor like it if the i belong to a man or woman or,
maybe yeah but it is very just rough scheduled solidifies she says it like its definitions le cartoonist eyes yeah.
Do you feel i.
What are your feelings like when you see the eyes like a personal viewing later you scary happy sad and inches are you like what you can get the cd is it the whole street has come just completely neutral for the most part yeah i know your there.
And is it like the size of the more pocahontas with the chaotic part of it has only got ray.

[33:06] Play the blend the chaos lines just stopped working for so long as like i don’t care about anything else you feel like me sometimes lake.
Things are going on in your life at that time or maybe the water was twelve media things in your life kinda chaotic.
You know it’s crazy like i could even put on timelines yeah i have these dreams like a jean mercier soul age.

[33:34] Yeah it’s i don’t know it’s weird because like for me has a early yeah cuz i started having dreams about snow when.
Whenever i have cleaned really emotional time with some has b six thousand c la snowblower if there’s any flights to have a motion or stressed when i do about snow all.
I’m so maybe like the wine for us like things are out of control maybe it’s time you to like focus.

[34:04] But at the same time the feels peaceful the beginning and then the line is kind of crazy and that was happening and doesn’t use you manually always and i,
what’s that mean eastlake of me in the ass you know,
all makers to or maybe not any medias me because you think about how i feel about the color white how you feel about the color black and blue adjusted,
you can email and then you know the feeling all of those things and then think about what is the does the eye look is looking older persons irian numbers and il.

[34:46] What are you asking yeah.
There is so basic yeah it’s hard it’s kinda tingly pinpointed guess i usually.
Can i see it is leaking and clock are in for rich old ladies that big super saturday in the eyes glasses yeah.

[35:12] It depends on how you flip person with your eyes and all of the amenities just.
Slow down and focus has a very tender the paper active pencil yeah yeah.
Very true that you because the traffic like different things like the show’s like it so.
There’s probably some creativity there is.

[35:37] Changes in on something i don’t know like a perfect day for me is just sitting in her room doing nothing being.
No thinking and missing baking yeah yeah.

[35:52] If you can a lasagne has his industry is user visit when you’re here and i remember me and i’ve probably had like that one gb.

[36:03] Thirty or forty times she’s which is kids roddy it has he seen so much probably program for clothes yeah charges all know that i’m a very google.

[36:17] Is find something that very easy president friends brisa and i can not find it have a very specific vision.
I did not know is in the bay the hands of the paper in miami personal.
Happy for fisher do you know pat said she is your friend here so.
Set up the date because.
Because usually it’s okay for the friendly ask about the different elements of the dream because there’s this girl who does catering to be and,
she said that there is really old guy that sat on her bed and finally cleared her and she fuse in kansas carries you ever thought of just lay but.
I didn’t feel like it was just a how she described the owners the only while.
What are you what is the old man look like he had a spectrum of mike but why you think you sitting on your bed and she has thought about it and said it.
Set my question it was there make you think that you have a fear of getting old,
this is a holy shit so it really does that simple words in this case like needs to focus they maybe it’s like me you have a date this guy europe maybe you’re not now maybe,
but the tendencies very tender of all over the place that’s very possible.
Ends any i’m not even gonna hit me i’m not like formally to use.

[37:47] It’s full interpretation and i need a full size we need to get on the road so have.

[37:57] Play the song dreaming of flat land and yes or no.
Where yeah avidly flatland got it was a reference on the big bang theory and let.
Damn and the nigga flatland.

[38:18] Not prepared for this and it’s a book by and when abbott and abbott pets here in.

[38:28] It says flatland a romance of many dimensions is a satirical novel.
Nah novella by the schoolmaster and wind at at first pollution eighty four.

[38:43] See what is this a relay sheets interacting with each other and it’s just.
Flat piece of paper kind of i guess i don’t i don’t know what it yeah is very link is the theory of stacie think.
It’s like a master piece of science and mathematical fiction is delightful delightful unique and highly entertaining satire that is chime readers for more than one hundred years.
The work of english clergyman.

[39:13] Babe easily and when describes the journeys of a square in math and a mathematician and resident of the two dimensional flatland where women,
then the straight lines are the loneliest of shapes and where man,
or feuding were meant this is so small to read where men have any number of size depending on their social status so.
This is pretty strange occurrences that raymond contact the poster geometric forms square has adventures in space land three dimensions light land one-dimensional plan mention so.

[39:47] Is silica combine these guys yeah with those eyes.

[39:54] So and it has internet connection but not on definition right yeah okay that was very obvious that is that kind of looks great place yet with but very vaguely just,
let’s catch of them yeah interesting refrigerator that marker.
Rate the food gifts.

[40:20] Are you you’re weird weird thing is not he the to call the doctor.

[40:32] Lol what is your mom’s friend re the hoe verizon is my friend yeah sure it the circus.
Yeah so it’s not seem so you try to figure out which one on this friday,
oh i just recently seven of my weirdest ones like i meet with willy for income can figure out where to start okay what’s next jesus christ,
nice place.

[41:09] So i have a recurring dream and i don’t know if it’s like recurring exactly but it’s just of super super common theme of the settings can be very different and the environment and stuff but,
they all have in common that was having this dream where i am.
Moving into like a new house with our new apartment or something like that and it’s always.
Super old and run down but the flight floors that i am going to live on the first and second floor are pretty nice is why i am putting up with it.
But up above.
It just keeps going up and up and up for ever and each floor is a little crappy year like folder and run down yeah and they’re super haunted.
Like all those like floors are like crazy on it and there’s like no way to not like no one knows basically have how how high it goes.
Cuz i never make it past like five or six levels before and like i am coming back down or there’s there’s nothing nothing appear and then come back to my house is like did you see all the stuff there’s like i didn’t see any of that while i was up there.
And i have had that dream probably like once a month or more for like for ever.
Interesting how do you feel about feeding.

[42:32] He died in order not good because it feels like.
With eating nobody really knows how old they are going to be raise you don’t know how many floors there are in this building and.
Some people can’t can describe to you what they seen on certain floors the building because they bend that age i think is coming more metaphorical and i did you see there will no does he have been able to get to that for.
So him been there yet.
Wild did like you was gonna for for like life span for enlightening about the future yet.

[43:15] From the place is really good stuff that.
Some of shit sailing for adoption as well i’ve been as good as the hype formal,
we’re open up and nothing gets more more more run down which is true but reading your body tenses each year in a gauges because it starts off like its plate old but it’s,
fancy words like the parlor is polish wouldn’t start when not in the.
Cool staircase might the twenties or whatever and then as you go up it becomes more more like the old barn loft that is the planet earth just like there’s basically like.
The scaffold but just like support,
two by four and at least that would here to make it’s dirty and there’s a strong the ground and you can see little cracks of light through the wall and stuff like that and that’s just gets more more like that the further up you go.
So i don’t know who you think you think scan reading cuz i just that’s wild.
Yup that can it be that does make sense for me.

[44:19] I am in the other he in hiding in the journalists that’s a really good like it was going to pick something for to mean something is like,
who understood me figure out what the hell that means and then you’re like in like four minutes you let.
All i hear you’re thinking about aging sun of a bitch you blue blue that’s under wide open up your think your,
i don’t know your flight landing and means those three hundred him with am awesome now i know i was so hopeful okay so,
that was pretty fast lol you’re the one of the two other ones their super distinct this is one that,
like any of my college friends or might listen to this podcast will recall me wondering of security telling everyone about this is so fucked up yeah um,
one of the unit terrifying but is like okay set keeping with the theme of like going for ever yeah so,
it’s me my friend nick and my friend bart mush from the fraternity house that let me.
Yeah my best friends and were wandering around the mall of america except this mall of america seems to extend forever down and forever all,
which is like layers of shops and offices and stuff like that and where does water running there’s people all over the place and we’re just walking along and.
It is just like whatever you do don’t don’t steal anything and then.

[45:51] I turn around and eric matias head.
Is like animated acclaim asiana mayo missing in it the only thing i can think of is that you were the party’s begin ventura gets the.
The truck the truck or.
That’s turns out to be a monster whatever and she turns into those all the claymation horizon giant and lesser time and again that i have seen is always located for should i get even like money because it,
that looks so different cd in,
so here are his head is huge like i am right now you can see by holding my arms out like a full lake like that big.
Like a cartoon characters and is it like everything is pretty normal in size except for is always your superhero yeah and just goes.

[46:41] I’m not the ease and s s he says he gave his.
Pupils are the color color and black part of his eyes,
go from like huge would i able to sue her tiny as a kind of the chief and then the rest of the dream were trying to find this office that i need for some reason i don’t remember why we needed it,
the ball hit eric.
Well no i was running around like behind us and beside us what that stealing stuff from people like when they’re not looking and so he’s like the yes you just said that and then he’s there just like stealing from everybody and that’s the dream.

[47:26] Ten so i wonder.
Does it have how do you feel about him as the ira at the time all but now.
Last i heard he wasn’t doing so great he’s got a lot of like.
Mental health problems health problems and he,
he was willing guys got married like a senior year and then they moved cities in the house super nice and everything and he got a job in like an order for the department of defense like basically.
It was always kinda like it that point almost resentful just because he was being so successful and really knows life and i’m still the twenty something college with no job in reno girlfriend or anything i.
Still over and hang out with his.
You know his wife and his house with his like fancy new appliances everything else but after shortly after i stopped communicating with him their in the cities.
His life to leave like melted down where,
she divorced him and got everything and then they said he wasn’t coming at the part of its the fire him and another accounting job and so now i think he lives in like.
Pipe stone and his on my disability and he has all sorts of health problems so sad and he’s my age it’s like a it’s pretty brutal yeah yeah.
So he’s not a thief now it is in the dream he’s a thief yeah but he’s never likes.

[49:01] Because the being over something else but what else could the whirlpool you and how you feel about only thing i can think of is that he had a reputation for.
That being super nice to women oh okay sure and maybe that was something to to do with it like i say.
Rate be but kind of scary like take no and is into like using tricks like i give him for all of that but yeah and like.
Crap playing manipulative super manipulative dallas tell me that you for this week just tell a joke in the fraternity about.
He said of a box with a bottle of liquor apple schnapps and the little white rope,
and let you know we always picture yeah yeah yeah is that so okay so then you think of a thief and what you think of you think that the,
this is just some guy who steals mcguffey rd is just a criminal and also let me would manipulative fall under the aca,
set category to you yeah i guess that’s probably where that cell is acting so it’s just like so crazy to me some sake,
say super remember it because i distinctly remember thinking jesus his eyes are as big as paper plates yeah.
So i’m wondering paper plates setting huge.
Does the things that is very slow specific diane this dinner plate all the directly over head bowling ball.

[50:32] No bigger than that there is a figure also like i said he seemed almost like a cartoon image as normal seemed flat glass a paper plate is was almost like he was,
south park style account paper is south park style like animated fuse is very fake to you then it could be,
that’s almost native to see if you still comically fake,
in all and then he just kind of and manipulative person things that i’m not fit like will you kind of are manipulate you know cuz like you like to manipulate the old women of two.
So maybe that’s the war what is that as far as like the mall that is again it just feels more lake.
Its life in general like people and or levels are younger all higher levels older.
And everybody that’s on the same level and that’s it doesn’t clear interacting with your current.
Level of life which is larry which accents guess it was all people my age yeah.
My peers and say that were all not letting me looking for whatever we were looking at him like yo don’t you ask visit steal from me because you as opposed to the next that’s okay that’s the interesting part of the stealing.
They will what though the quantity items level was like he is just like a generic knowledge assign he was like stealing late you know what.
Something in a box and display in the window it just reaching around grabbing something on the display or like grabbing purses like that just like in the cartoon usually leave around like.

[52:06] Exactly that’s her exactly and this guy gets it up yeah.
It’s kind of ironic that wasn’t interaction of just like maybe like your subconscious calling out units and like this days and or a,
so maybe payton’s me and the babies and pets in a really pages them so your day he looks.
He’s so it stands out yeah and so yeah i guess that could be.
You know that makes sense i mean every office along the tree and be missing something to me who knows the circumstances were exactly at that time your having the treatment other than the details now,
i don’t,
i don’t even know that he had that i knew him well enough for him to have that reputation right great-niece who knows but.
So i got one word reminders for this was important because i turned into a short story and i’ll on a bunch of writing awards all it was of.
People like credit where like holy shit i have one one person in town who read it what like site that is gonna grow up to be the next stephen king and has like holy cow that’s heavy yeah i was happy okay so.
I hate it like a wake up in the morning i remember not seeing anyone or anything but i just like,
you know your routine i am in high school at this point so i just gonna throw on my clothes,
do my morning routine or you know whatever i get my car and i drive it its just like this out where it’s like snow is every liquor store cover workers melted a little bit and it’s overcast so very grey.

[53:45] But it’s enough that the roads are melted clear so i’m driving my my little mustang it’s time and i’m not having any trouble throat crystals melted off is um.
But i’m driving in to west into a little little school are in a class of nine long and,
but you know of a school building was rebuilt like in a eighties cuz that will happen to school fire sort of really nice mars is not the time and i pull up the parking lot,
or the street that will park on there was only a parking lot from.

[54:19] Totally empty my cart like the only one there other than my junker cars that i noticed are like a certain corner of the streets of basically it’s just dead i didn’t meet anyone start to realize that i didn’t meet anyone on the road.
I haven’t seen a human being like since i started and so.
But the sidewalk is it shovel off and it starts to looks really lightly snow and seven and woke up to the school windows are almost blacked over like super black and the doors are locked.
I can get in late oh okay and this is getting a little bit darker and little bit more snow and.

[54:58] Um yes i will that’s weird yeah so i get back in my car.
And i’m trying to figure out like where is everyone has no one main street in unit washington so that’s totally weird but i’m realizing that,
it’s a little too quiet leaving for washington freight it so it’s getting a letter of walking dead when rick wakes up thing works just like when the hell yeah and.
So then i drive back in the halfway point between my folks farm and was intended to school was grand richards house so i pull off they’re pulling seen deal but it’s not locked up just its dark.
There’s no power light something like the stuff yeah there’s no sign of grandma or grandpa in the house.
And you know for every that smells like it was super vivid dream yeah very real um,
it smells like them and everything else i pick up the phone receiver cuz pri cell phone so i’m like the sea like where the hell is everyone right and nothing happens dead.
Which were we’re out but this is back in the day were on earlier with the copper lines there even power off the lizard the snow lines of the stuff on fine sir yeah because we didn’t have digital phone set and.
So i’m like well that’s really weird so that.
And i remember watching the dream like watching myself and being like i’m way too cold for all this yeah and.

[56:34] So i go back i’ll get my car and start driving like to the farm and i get to so there’s a tree strip that wraps around the back of.
Oh that your tree-lined yeah there’s a tree line yet and.
You know like several of them so basically boxes off the forms they don’t see into the field behind some very long and then.
But there’s a big field behind grandpas house says so i’m apart of rolled oats passing by the field behind house and.
I don’t know why but i just look out on.

[57:10] This the snowy field is completely level and.
I don’t remember if i just stop and then walk out there or if there was a reason that i saw something or something that will motivate but yeah i did that’s not clear with reservation was,
you can the car and walk way out in the middle of a field and i start digging in the snow and i find.
One of my little sister katie’s toys for like common ones she plays with all the time when she sleeps she still at this point gas when she would’ve been like if you wanna play with a toy yeah would’ve been like not even ten i think yeah.
But with a little bit when i get in a fight and stuff like it has as i keep getting the snow and working my way i’ll keep finding warmer stuff on the snow buried.
And i’m just like what’s going on in and wake up says.

[58:07] Do you remember if you are having any sort of like.

[58:16] Hot i wanna see this little if i see it that way say nest is what i want to influence your answer okay so all.
Did you fight at all or having an emotional it engagement with her of any kind no where but it on a got along with her really well now with the faster parents that.
yeah yeah okay so i was the peace maker is so sisters love me and whenever they were getting into some incredibly vicious fights that was brought me and.
And me and katie have always had like you into the state we have a special on their clothes for siblings asher okay so i wonder was there anything that happened.
That was there like some sort of emotional fight or whatever in the house he put through the,
key in your sisters or parents or nothing nothing that i can remember cuz i was looking for something sir there cuz lake is usually i just idling really just learned this that water in any kind of form as it presents itself a dream is a sign of emotional all.
Think is waters type of the motions and.
So that’s what i think of when i think of snowball using with my hands is something emotional that i really with like that’s what it is for me,
but like how often do you dream of snow and what do you think of anything right now i think that’s the only dream i’ve ever had was no yeah.

[59:48] Yeah okay so you can the new beginnings or do you think of things dying like what kind what were you fall you think this notice and it,
just neutral yeah like nothing like it was snows on christmas turkeys know you dislike snow later interest share share,
cuz like this feeling kinda think of is like what is your what is your feeling on the season of winter and then.
Just the desolate niceville by the complete loneliness of.
Adjust the whole situation like it is totally completely alone and it sounds like you’re really digging up your best friend stuff.
You know you say what is this what yo like this totally alone and all you have left are does the memories of her as you know.
Of her past or present i guess i don’t know that’s kinda where i’m kinda thinking that the same time is late will you don’t feel specific way about.
But i’d say like looking back on it now as someone older is just like the lock isolation going on in that time yeah is very like it is very alone.
And like the places where you go to others people like a school like that shaft you,
that’s completely dark there’s no one there and then the the people that you know they’re your family they would go to great hey there’s something weird going on there not there,
and you can’t every talk to anybody else in the world and you just got the film easter being of your friends stuff lake as interesting wonder when hes the.

[1:01:22] Actually she recovered season.
Can toys membership in it really hard to tell if i’m projecting his study this was definitely eighteen yeah wrote this for seventeen yeah.
Wake up pretty sure i was worried i was eventually gonna find a body.

[1:01:45] Yeah me either early right did you write and you read the details on yours number of.
You will i thought about it like that the dream and screen like but i have trouble telling if i thought that the time.
Right right now looking back and just like i would have.
Maybe of watch to many horror movie since then but on like this is the part where you find the body wraps you probably because you don’t.
To see that in your dream and what a horrible thing to say out loud like he mom has weird dream about my sister dying yeah sounds like this isn’t simpsons treehouse of horror episode where the good morning burton.

[1:02:22] How did you sleep like i had a fire r i dreamed of a vision of my own fire hd is,
well that’s nice honey let no grass dinner and are grabbing lunch and let’s go to school you’re gonna miss the bus or while supplies when i woke up one morning and my mother all,
true but less than nothing because i might transfer money will happen in your three wishes that all you and i are fighting in general then my mom asked me what happened to me in years ago all died.
I won the died music all the way all of those off all the terrible things to your mom,
again we when you’re we file our business teenager so yeah but.
Dreams are we never know you said no so so how you feel travis where did you go into this capability you now feel like being there’s more dream interpretation than.
It just being get tv the brain equivalent of tv static is over anytime there’s things to interpret.
That it could mean something completely different different times your life just so like how you enter your right now i believe that has,
you sure it that way because it has meaning in her life so you interpret it like a piece of art and so.
To use in our look back at eleven something else you might be considered the same situation may be more conservative wife the lower school realize.

[1:04:01] Heres even if he for real fun interpretation,
yeah so damn i’m super intrigued browser vacations because that’s where a lot of the creative the most presentation stuff my shows come from so.
Yeah i’d cordless chapter show of.
To where it attaches very nice ice get their asses there awesome so yeah.

[1:04:31] Sorry a messenger.

[1:04:34] Hello miss me anyways i need to get to know you very soon to fully grasp the school.
And strapped dream here so her and starting before.

[1:04:50] But with the camera i have a strict dress to the crazy thing is because of her that was black and white color trees me some different yeah even though there’s only black and white if.
Color lights on in the house there’s a colored gasoline it’s kinda weird.

[1:05:08] New re flatland maybe we use the answers of that is really helpful in a weird way.

[1:05:18] I did this order for yeah he’s the weird.

[1:05:24] So yeah that’s all i got so thank you for joining us your recovery more and join us next week when will explorer.
Some other strange maybe us we are now when he goes to freeze this far into this chapter podcast thing that is messages the.

[1:05:46] That’s perfect that’s and that’s how we should have closed yet which is close to nice.
He should as part of some patriotic thank you so much for listening and good night.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 2 Voynich Manuscript

The Voynich manuscript is an illustrated codex hand-written in an unknown writing system. The vellum on which it is written has been carbon-dated to the early 15th century (1404–1438), and it may have been composed in Northern Italy during the Italian Renaissance. The manuscript is named after Wilfrid Voynich, a Polish book dealer who purchased it in 1912.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 2 Voynich Manuscript

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The Voynich manuscript has been studied by many professional and amateur cryptographers, including American and British codebreakers from both World War I and World War II. No one has yet demonstrably deciphered the text, and it has become a famous case in the history of cryptography. The mystery of the meaning and origin of the manuscript has excited the popular imagination, making the document the subject of novels and speculation. None of the many hypotheses proposed over the last hundred years has yet been independently verified.

The ink and parchment have been analyzed extensively and are all consistent with a book created in the 1400s.  The cover of the codex was replaced at some point in the last 200 years as well as the binding. This is not uncommon for manuscripts of the era.  The colored paint of the book was likely added at a later date.

Every page in the manuscript contains text, mostly in an unknown language, but some have extraneous writing in Latin script. The bulk of the text in the 240-page codex is written in an unknown script, running left to the right. Most of the characters are composed of one or two simple pen strokes. Some dispute exists as to whether individual characters are distinct, but a script of 20–25 characters would account for virtually all of the text; the exceptions are a few dozen rarer characters that occur only once or twice each. There is no apparent punctuation.

The manuscript’s diagrams include breakdowns of plant biology while others are based on astronomy or astrology.  One series of 12 sketches depicts conventional symbols for the zodiacal constellations (two fish for Pisces, a bull for Taurus, a hunter with a crossbow for Sagittarius, etc.). Each of these has 30 female figures arranged in two or more concentric bands. Most of the females are at least partly nude, and each holds what appears to be a labeled star or is shown with the star attached to either arm by what could be a tether or cord of some kind. The last two pages of this section were lost (Aquarius and Capricornus, roughly January and February), while Aries and Taurus are split into four paired diagrams with 15 women and 15 stars each.

The overall impression given by the surviving leaves of the manuscript is that it was meant to serve as a pharmacopeia or to address topics in medieval or early modern medicine. However, the puzzling details of illustrations have fueled many theories about the book’s origin.

The first confirmed owner was Georg Baresch (1585–1662), an obscure alchemist from Prague. Baresch was apparently just as puzzled as modern scientists about this “Sphynx” that had been “taking up space uselessly in his library” for many years. He learned that Jesuit scholar Athanasius Kircher (1602–1680) from the Collegio Romano had published a Coptic (Egyptian) dictionary and claimed to have deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs; Baresch twice sent a sample copy of the script to Kircher in Rome, asking for clues. His 1639 letter to Kircher is the earliest confirmed mention of the manuscript that has been found to date.

A letter written on August 19, 1665 or 1666 was found inside the cover and accompanied the manuscript when Johannes Marcus sent it to Kircher. It claims that the book once belonged to Emperor Rudolf II (1552–1612), who paid 600 gold ducats (about 2.07 kg of gold) for it.

In 1903, the Society of Jesus (Collegio Romano) was short of money and decided to sell some of its holdings discreetly to the Vatican Library. Ruysschaert 1959 published a list of those books, which were for sale. The sale then took place in 1912, but books listed for sale were missing. Wilfrid Voynich acquired 30 of these manuscripts, among them the one which now bears his name. He spent the next seven years attempting to interest scholars in deciphering the script, while he worked to determine the origins of the manuscript.

In 1961, the book was sold to antique book dealer Hans P. Kraus. Kraus was unable to find a buyer and donated the manuscript to Yale University in 1969.  

There are thousands of speculated authors of the book but here are the most intriguing theories with some basis in reality that I found:

John Dee (1527–1608) Dee was a mathematician and astrologer at the court of Queen Elizabeth I of England.  There is a paper trail that may support this.

Some suspect Voynich of having fabricated the manuscript himself.  As an antique book dealer, he probably had the necessary knowledge and means, and a lost book by Roger Bacon would have been worth a fortune.  However, modern forensics performed on the book seem to make it being a Voynich forgery less and less likely. How frustrating must that have been for Voynich, no one would be able to really and thoroughly prove he probably didn’t fake it until 1999.

It has been suggested that some illustrations in the books оf an Italian engineer, Giovanni Fontana, slightly resemble Voynich illustrations. Fontana was familiar with cryptography and used it in his books, although he didn’t use the Voynich script but a simple substitution cipher. In the book Secretum de thesauro experimentorum ymaginationis hominum (Secret of the treasure-room of experiments in man’s imagination), written ca. 1430, Fontana described mnemonic machines, written in his cipher.

Raphael Mnishovsky, the friend of Marci who was the reputed source of Bacon’s story, was himself a cryptographer and apparently invented a cipher which he claimed was uncrackable (ca. 1618). This has led to the speculation that Mnishovsky might have produced the Voynich manuscript as a practical demonstration of his cipher and made Baresch his unwitting test subject.

I think this idea is very interesting and has widespread implications for future historians and archaeologist.  Using a cipher like this was the medieval equivalent of encrypting proprietary knowledge. I shudder to think of the challenges future historians will face in trying to access all of the heavily encrypted and secured data of this era hundreds of years after the keys and hashes have been lost.  Even basic security like DRM software may be creating a future “Dark Age,” and we don’t even realize it. Also the fact that so many of our records are kept on a digital medium. If the earth was hit by a massive solar storm or Electromagnetic disturbance, so much may be lost from this era. Google the Carrington Event if you want to get an idea of how likely and dangerous that scenario is.  (Good future Episode)

According to the “letter-based cipher” theory, the Voynich manuscript contains a meaningful text in some European language that was intentionally rendered obscure by mapping it to the Voynich manuscript “alphabet” through a cipher of some sort—an algorithm that operated on individual letters. This has been the working hypothesis for most 20th-century deciphering attempts, including an informal team of NSA cryptographers led by William F. Friedman in the early 1950s.

Statistical analysis of the text reveals patterns similar to those of natural languages. For instance, the word entropy (about 10 bits per word) is comparable to that of English or Latin texts. In 2013, Diego Amancio et al argued that the Voynich manuscript “is mostly compatible with natural languages and incompatible with random texts.”

The linguist Jacques Guy once suggested that the Voynich manuscript text could be some little-known natural language, written in the plain with an invented alphabet. The word structure is similar to that of many language families of East and Central Asia, mainly Sino-Tibetan (Chinese, Tibetan, and Burmese), Austroasiatic (Vietnamese, Khmer, etc.) and possibly Tai (Thai, Lao, etc.). In many of these languages, the words have only one syllable; and syllables have a rather rich structure, including tonal patterns.

This theory has some historical plausibility. While those languages had native scripts, these were notoriously difficult for Western visitors. This difficulty motivated the invention of several phonetic scripts, mostly with Latin letters, but sometimes with invented alphabets. Although the known examples are much later than the Voynich manuscript, history records hundreds of explorers and missionaries who could have done it—even before Marco Polo’s 13th-century journey, but especially after Vasco da Gama sailed the sea route to the Orient in 1499.

In 1976, James R Child of the National Security Agency, a linguist of Indo-European languages, proposed that the manuscript was written in a “hitherto unknown North Germanic dialect.” He identified in the manuscript a “skeletal syntax several elements of which are reminiscent of certain Germanic languages,” while the content itself is expressed using “a great deal of obscurity.”

In 2014, a team lead by Dr. Diego Amancio of the University of São Paulo’s Institute of Mathematical and Computer Sciences published a paper detailing a study using statistical methods to analyze the relationships of the words in the text. Instead of trying to find the meaning, Amancio’s team used complex network modeling to look for connections and clusters of words. By employing concepts such as frequency and intermittency, which measure occurrence and concentration of a term in the text, Amancio was able to discover the manuscript’s keywords and create three-dimensional models of the text’s structure and word frequencies. They concluded that in 90% of cases, the Voynich systems are similar to those of other known books such as the Bible, indicating that the book is an actual piece of text in an actual language, and not well-planned gibberish.

A ‘brief’ history of the people who have claimed to translate the manuscript in the 21st Century.  People have been claiming to have translated it going back to its modern rediscovery in the 1910’s with a wave of them coming in the 1970’s and being widely discredited.  

In 2014, an expert in applied linguistics Professor Stephen Bax published an article in which he claimed to have translated ten words from the manuscript using techniques similar to those used to successfully decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs. He claimed the manuscript to be a treatise on nature, in a Near Eastern or Asian language, but no full translation was made before his death in 2017.

In September 2017, television writer Nicholas Gibbs claimed to have decoded the manuscript as idiosyncratically abbreviated Latin.

Medieval scholars judged Gibbs’ hypothesis to be not novel. Gibbs’ work was criticized as patching together already-existing scholarship and providing a highly speculative and incorrect translation; Lisa Fagin Davis, director of the Medieval Academy of America, stated that Gibbs’ decipherment “doesn’t result in Latin that makes sense.”

Professor Greg Kondrak, a natural language processing expert at the University of Alberta, together with his graduate student Bradley Hauer, used Artificial Intelligence in an attempt to decode the manuscript. Their findings were presented at the Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics in 2017, in the form of an article suggesting that the language of the manuscript is most likely Hebrew, but encoded using alphagrams, i.e., alphabetically ordered anagrams. However, the team admitted that experts in medieval manuscripts who reviewed the work were not convinced. The claim is also disputed by an expert in Hebrew and its history.

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0:26] Everybody welcome to come in for a check to the beach may strict.
So i’m super excited everyone this is robert by the way speaking i am so pumped for this this is one of those classic.
Not conspiracy theory but one must classic paranormal investigative research of things the voyage manuscript has baffled people for hundreds of years that we give you just.
A little bit of background which manuscript as illustrated codex hand written in an unknown writing system.
The film on which is written has been carbon dated to early fifteenth century approximately fourteen four fourteen thirty eight.
And it may have been composed in northern italy during the italian renaissance the manuscript disney for will for which polish coke dealer who purchased it in nineteen twelve.

[1:17] The manuscript has been studied by many professional and amateur photographers including american and british hoe breakers during the first and second world wars,
what is your demonstrated foresight demonstrably this sacred text and it has become famous a famous case in the history of printer are part of the.

[1:36] The mystery of the meaning of the orginal manuscript as excited the popular imagination making the document the subject of novels and speculation none of the many hypothesis post of the last hundred years of get to.
Then be independently verified so that gives you the boiler plate wikipedia ask you know definition of what you’re dealing with here.
Where you guys is impressions before i go on with another info about it,
my first impression when you brought this up and i think it is i think i set it private or group chat yes i left a lot of water what so they,
i think this book was written by someone who is trying to write a book.
In a different language but the graph of that language was awful so like imagine if like.
Sixty seven year old kid it was trying to write a book but in spanish and the only had like maybe one and a half years as of late spanish one and be a little happier spanish to say their grasp on the language is lake.
Minimal at best so this book then created by this amateur.
No one can understand it because it’s been lost for so long we now think this is a brilliant work of photography and it really just some teenagers fail latin project.
It’s kind of where i think i think that’s what this could be very angry completely when i try i never heard about this disaster.

[3:09] Talk about this is very much like paranormal conspiracy theory nerd like hot potato that bluff especially the internet is really pissing explode.
Right people of investigate we will get to the history of occasions of it but people been looking at it since it was rediscovering are here in nineteen ten.
I’d like a second grader for both world wars nasa scientists all certain people look at this thing fully some people brother from a date and a i scripts you kind to say for it and the items that was with.
But we’re hebrew or.

[3:43] Ask take lenses that one of the most recent thing that is september twenty seventeen and have an update on that cuz i was like yeah it’s asking.
Is weird but yet he genuinely think because i look back on all i know books from when i was you know nineteen years.
Is something where to find out like five hundred years after the fact that you anything to the blues polling wins baptism and six months ago i think the seeds of these means.

[4:16] Because i only really know these notes are so so yeah but yeah.
Let’s go little bit into what the content of this manuscript is everyone suzuki king of.
Every page manuscript contains text mostly in an unknown language the song extraneous writing is in latin script is usually like notes written in the market things like that.
The ball to the text of the two hundred forty page correct as written in an unknown script running left to right,
what’s the characters are composed of one to two simple pen strokes with some exceptions.
So just be weather there are distinct individual characteristics or if the spirit has around twenty to twenty five characters.
That they think they got it down like twenty five each character like expressed throughout the thing and there’s no apparent punctuation system that they can see.
The mistress diagrams which is part of what makes the messes and we’ve included a link in the show notes to a pdf of the voyage manuscripts if you wanna you know see it first hand you can totally check it out,
the diagrams inside of it which are kind of getting really intriguing they are breakdowns like biological plant life and diagrams of things,
like that biology and science you don’t say for the year mixed with a bunch of astronomy and astrology information.
And like your store movement observation seems like that.
Our one series of twelve gauge is actually depicts the conventional symbol for the zodiac constellations there are chunks of the temple that are missing.

[5:53] And so we don’t have the basically there was like a page for each one and we don’t have the high seas or the taurus.
Where the secretary is because those were lost we have the rest of them and then each one of these has around thirty female figures arranged.
Two or more considered beans and females are usually partially deaf completely new support the theory of the instructions split up worker suck it,
that some of them are the label bias stars are seem to be attached to the women by tether or some kind of the last two pages of the section,
always is an earlier where were lost at sea and so there are.

[6:38] Just want to start diagrams naked women all over and really cool funky plants levels of like there’s even some series.
That you don’t have a really hard time trying to identify the plants yes but,
an author of that year didn’t look at the world of science to see what you were a always want like a literal physical truth is the legacy of the scientific revolution so,
even when people were writing about plants that everybody knew really well and diagram of how it could be very abstract even if it was common plants great because they didn’t,
see the world as this literal thing that we were very interested tele and and click looking at the physical.

[7:19] So that makes a little confusing to some people think that one of the plants that’s diagram it is a sunflower which obviously comes from the new world and so that would you know it’s like to be a plant that didn’t exist in the peoples like.
World that’s crazy ex so many pieces that resembles a sunflower where you know.
Who the hell knows it’s just great making big mystery surrounding doodling yeah you just have the.
Okay the first affirm to her that we have it was george brash.

[7:53] In fifteen eighty five from six till sixteen sixty two was an obscure albums from prague.
He was just as possible as smart scientists and refer to it as gentle as a sphinx.
That taking up space useless leaves library for many years but can’t track it and then he gave it to age so scholar.
And who was very skilled with the coptic language even claimed that he,
which would be released know has translated higher higher listen to the rosetta stone in the eighteen hundred’s and napoleon’s expedition but this just was all the times maybe he could really high requests and so excited to the sky hoping maybe you could make sense of it.
Let’s see septic tank in room and then we have a letter in sixteen thirty nine mentioning the manuscript it’s where abouts.
And we have no is it just you know that there is litter paper trail there’s a paper trail because of,
is your open keeping records that but stuff gets lost over time we kind of dog is little we go buy a connect the dots between little mentions in some physical document we can find.
So the next one is in august nineteenth of sixteen sixty five letter was written that is found on the inside cover of the manuscript and he claims that the book once belongs to this join us marcus.
Who was my understanding from marrying him little thing on this is that basically he was like in.

[9:23] Cord alka missed.
Like mentalist kinda soon was trying to become the core astrologer to and from off the second of the holy roman empire this would be around fifteen fifty two sixteen twelve.
And so he paid six hundred dollar it’s a gold for this book and it was part of his like whole life.
Basically what you call it somebody hit let’s try and impress the zipper become a permanent fixture in the court but we don’t.
We don’t have a confirmation the ever got hired at the end her ever on the book and it drops off the radar until nineteen three.
When was he there is a little catholics i use it jesus was sure money and decided to sell some holdings discreetly for to the vatican library.
It kinda looks like this research and through the list of books that were for sale and.
Screwed up some of the books and so in nineteen twelve that’s when basically it almost kind of just,
thrones out here speculation what makes research or whatever acquire have a book full of the truck when the vatican was selling it to people yeah and so eventually he sells it for money to,
no wilfred winch how we give the book name from.
And so why are thirty for many strips of which is one of them.
He spent seven years trying to build up scholarly interest in this book trying to translate exactly.

[10:58] Yeah that he bought fewer pieces of shit all the time and he was just completely stopped as to what the heck this was.
So then in nineteen sixty one eventually his hair with of selling it to a buyer and that buyer.

[11:16] Basically trying to like seller from off zillow for more money he couldn’t do it so finally in nineteen sixty nine he deleted it to the rear books collection it to university and that’s where is today.
What i don’t understand is why give the name the boy next manuscript because it that seems kinda is barrel,
self-serving but i am that i found it and bookseller really think know you can’t find it was owned by several people up here that he would give it that may be that.
It’s the most famous manuscript that he to and the circulated shirt and the others in documenting like there studies of it,
the manuscript that which passed around that we were all trying to translate that as soon as we’re was he now there’s something to be said for that the blower let me hear non media blitz the time but like.
Due to little letter writing campaigns trying to sellers look into it but i’m not sure that he actually like the event that mean he may have called it you know like,
the codex of the site for sure or sure but its people that came after him with a flick of is that basically people use it now because he’s the like,
modern discover and share this basically was like kinda lost and no one with we’re dealing with until monday ten the first one to be like,
this is a mystery let’s look into it for a in a larger all i see okay yeah that was that was the one thing orson,
that’s seems kind of sorry that he would name actors that it’s not yours and it’s like when i called the italian renaissance cypher you know the.

[12:49] Something something that you for another like in the books and stuff were leaving me for like a book dealer when its so old that it’s like not clear all going on and see an imperfect to his.
You know we can say it was the shakespeare manuscripts if we knew something about the author or the content right name that was more appropriate than its like.
Do you know what weird plant book doesn’t really roll off the tongue especially verse nineteen ten.
You plant it know you’re a yeah just a schedule c here series where i came from the of the first one is that.
I like this one little bit just because it’s cool and it fits probable but to john and he who was a mathematician astrologer quarter panel is that the first england basically people think this might be his like spell alchemy.
Astrology book and.
There’s actually a paper trail words like if roger bacon on the figures whose like associated with the book early and like when were aware of its not mens if roger bacon had it.
He met with johnny interact with him a lot so there is a strong possibility that maybe he’s the one that generated.

[14:00] And give us the tallest like have translator what its talking about everything like that booty,
so now one of the common ones up until nineteen ninety nine i think that’s why exploded on the internet present when people really like okay this is really legit thing it’s not just an urban legend,
what’s the,
you know absolutely lot of people suspected voyage of self fabricated the manuscript as he spoke to he probably would have the necessary knowledge means and,
i lost a book by roger breaking the figure that i mentioned earlier would be worth a fortune,
however modern forensic since then have been perform in the book and they seem to make it less and less likely that is in fact a forgery the pages are actually composed of lamb skin that can be very accurate carbonated,
two that’s why they can give you like four to eight to fourteen thirty eight,
and you know there’s like there sent me for people use old part right and the chicken and put,
not legion but sophisticated chemicals on it and their own stuff on top of it it’s been tested for that,
and the chemicals in the it was definitely written with a quill pen be the electron microscopes to confirm that.

[15:17] That is definitely eric looks a lot like the little black and white ink is very much like from that your from the fourteen hundreds.
The coloring like the green on the plant something that was added after the fact.
But apparently for like manuscripts the forty hundred fifty meters that’s pretty common like a hundred years later someone doesn’t like the style of this book on my questions to standby i don’t know what the rating.
Password for seems like its axis colors and stuff now only questions and yeah it is colored looking.
They could’ve color and had colors that is that’s year your coming off that you’re looking limited manuscripts those gorgeous books that,
you know and that’s your thing we call politics it was a teenagers journal or something that works for this telling think of them were like.
Terabyte hard drives or like state of the art data storage for like a book is a super expensive like five hundred gold pieces.
Lake worth like a whole like families income for two years piece of precious friend re the can you know.
And is it also is it late.
People don’t do they do alot of the margin this thursday the whole thing about how many all photography that miles transfer ibooks of the years with the margins for example box does agree video about.
Why did,
basically became a mean with marks another year of that the gold will always for manchester city transcribe during this period they all have nights fighting since joins seals that’s cartoons in the margin it’s the sales meeting in stock and.

[16:57] It’s like it was just like a mean from the time of the four monsters like writing the same pieces and over and over and over again get bored and start.
Drawing something inappropriate that’s.
Pretty common animals are the little graffiti things like that in fact even when it is for the little that’s a laptop that were talking about written in the margins that’s what that is is that so studying the book in my fifteen or sixteen hundred and was just shut down and i don’t like.
Get groceries and.

[17:28] And those we can tell just from like the style in ink and stuff like that that are from a different kind obviously from the script and all that.
So it is i came away with this this part here being like the frustrating was that for wage that it was.
Not today i mean well after he’s dead in my ninety nine when people are finally like okay this is not fake that these is like.
Hopping around really something to this is yes as a friend size nine until like the new millennium basically to.
The will any of you will to get to the point where they confirm that for it just suggested that some of the illustrations and.
Our from an italian near earnings in a slaughter this giovanni fontana digest from slate any slightly resemble voyager illustrations and they’re actually in wikipedia page they have a picture of some of.
Giovanni is sketches in his like notebooks and stuff.
And no books with the teenager yeah we got it is a good theory and they but i don’t think you can resemble the same marseille the people he draws look like the women from the fountain and stuff like that um,
and he also,
was began using cyphers and his book and on the whole thing and launch into about the cyphers and why is that in books from the serious stuff,
obviously gotta like white proprietary information like this is their livelihood and there like secrets and so and they don’t want another alka must be able to read it because like if they got this really great thing for like.

[19:05] You no pain killers are sharing of some kind it’s like that’s their their livelihood and on some other you know dr picking up their formula on becoming the new alka missed the emperor of emperors like that.

[19:19] So you can a lot of cyphers and codes and stuff like that code exes from this period on something i thought was interesting to talk about with this is the idea of and the widespread implications i get from this ugly given think about.
The future archaeologists trying to understand like what we were doing now yes i do because of you because like that was my joke about that you on my ask one thing i’m roadster the space and just like,
this is the baffle the shit out of space archeology five hundred years and only one of why why they did the in,
what did,
they barely get to space this time when put a carpet that’s all for it to be like a viking burial ship thinking of like think that,
you on the bus server and,
it is mosques are inside of it what that’s exactly the smell me future people like something super satisfying to drive out of the public are all.

[20:23] The latter this truly drove off the edge of the time and so expensive alluded not eccentric billionaire of course.

[20:34] No that you know they get using a cipher during that time like this is there way of like security proprietary information so we wouldn’t crip the hard drive nowadays and.
I think that’s interesting it makes me like shattered a thing or a bit nervous about never people comment on this before the future archaeologists are gonna have.
A devil of a time researching or time period just because both of the aramark digital rights management software sure so we can have some me sitting in a museum like six hundred years from now trying to understand are your.
And the software that’s designed to keep me from getting a free copy of microsoft word,
my keep them from being able to read important documents from this year for a great because everything is like locked up you can just pull off a bookshelf well that that technology stores and some mountain lake,
in like some country list meters by giving the whole lake museum basically.
To get to where this is worth anything that’s been created technologically,
is stored in this amount should it anything happens devastating happen to the current technology of today so let anything that dates back to like the early seventies and the eighties and still no.
Play computers and terminal does that actually exist because x is that feel prove is that you know how how secure is that cuz i mean.
One of the things i was think about is like are we living in a dark age because of all party rm cuz you you know cause of the dark ages not so much that.

[22:09] It was dark times and then when historians the dark ages cuz they’re describing a period of time that is dark to them because they don’t they have so few records that accept this the dark ages history course.
I want to watch the video lectures at the harvard one on itunes university where you can watch like greek art university lectures and.
I was talking about is a peterson legal history or something like that and basically he’s a slight.
It was super devastating effect historian during you know this is obviously later this moment renaissance.
They live the other was a time for that the dark ages were beating you play.
Six other people that he could probably correspond with a good understanding his writing like the level of academic writing he was.
You know performing at your imagine if there were like only six people in the world that.
Like new the special like say your engineer or a doctor you like got something happens meters away like.

[23:10] Two or three people in the whole world who can like replicate my work or can explain what’s going on pray list if something happens those people like say up flag which like happens always units like you can lose.
Huge amounts of like research and information and histories about that and sometimes i worry about that with us with the rm and then especially if this is a good time in will definitely do a future episode about this particular.

[23:38] Disturbance i was about one of the earth is he with a giant magnetic storm from the sun is a thing that exists and in particular i’m siting if you wanna know what that looks like google the carrington event.
And if you’re not familiar with that that’s where a giant solar electromagnetic storm hit the earth.
I want to see like a eighteen what eighteen fifties or something of an.
What happened it was about time telegraph lines were starting to become more popular stuff like that and what i did was those like the only electronic devices around but this started fires all over the country and the walkers the wires,
he was like so much for this year it cost start fighting and like,
telegraph station started on fire in the batteries that the us to the station what blow up and stuff like that the said today that like if that hit north america again,
even just that same scale of the war of the caribbean event was not in solar terms that date of a storm,
set up like a emt hitting the entire continental us and just fri like every electronic system just immediately get a min warnings coming,
it’s all worth sunday and he electromagnetic pulse okay or is on silent and so is commonly associated with atomic explosions generator and a little ac unit so hypothetical weapon that’s never been,
used that we know of is too generous to get me a.
Atomic bomb in the upper atmosphere over an area where you one of low people the way you create a storm in the ionosphere scene kinda thing is hiring event and everyone reset loses power.

[25:18] All other electronics got fried so it’s like a preemptive strike where,
there’s always like there’s a lot of conspiracy theories about the us war game with it up in the first part of the chinese invasion electric.
But no let’s link soon as you can see we could do a whole episode of the carrington event totally totally and the implications of that so yeah future as in it and no it was a good time to grow up because,
imagine the earth got hit by something like that you just have the strength your historians would be like.
Oh that’s the dark if we don’t know anything about what happened between nineteen sixty eight and you know it only seven reminder on this day.
Who knows the toilet went out because there was a story it’s servers is cockroaches and facebook facebook for cockroaches.
Will they will start fine tuning seems to be down.

[26:17] So there’s another of your your with the when your manuscript that is a letter based site for.
That’s the one that a lot of people in the nineteen fifty’s especially those william friedman from the national security agency he was a main photographer in the twentieth century working there.
And he started nineteen fifty’s trying to use the sort translate the twenty transfer which obviously he didn’t.
Get anywhere with the best amazing to think of like an essay code breakers and you know yeah both world war one code breakers and the jet the ones in,
who built like translated them yet and need my device and built the first computers and stuff like that that they look the voice manuscript that was there kobayashi maru,
he was there like ensemble from no win scenario raise the practice on our taxes like that was gonna crack this that way,
are they practice on something it’s on crackle lake the german.
I guess it doesn’t really don’t sign doesn’t like drill in so much is like.
Between coats these possibilities yeah i think about like programmer sit around and talk about programming stuff it always the hardest thing you’ve ever programs share in the challenge amount for someone a client services like.
What could he if you can crack this model is,
i’m not going to the movies at the sleep onto the nsa is low for this one from yesterday sucker should of the new guys tryna veterans information sheet for a lot lately all messages isn’t.

[27:49] But yeah man this makes stories like that so we actually did cracks in the pink that they had to crack it really.

[27:56] Yeah it like an hour and it’s clearly land here there’s a nice hint hint you’re getting warmer to fix what is.

[28:06] So she,
so getting into a more recent one here so someone conducted a statistical analysis in twenty thirteen using ten beats per word,
and compared it to english latin texts this diego monaco who did the test in twenty thirteen says it’s very compatible with natural language.
And incompatible with random texts which is always come up in a research and there’s even more tests for someone.
Use algorithms like google learning and algorithms to to say that.
This is not cheaper if there’s like a clear a structure throughout the entire thing that’s like someone is communicating something through this.
And then we’ve got a linguist jockeys guy wants adjusted the voyage manuscript text could be some little no natural language written in a plane or invented alphabet.
The worst structure i thought this series pretty interesting is similar to many language families in east and central asia.
So it might be so it might be something that’s like a sino tibetan or chinese are burmese language.
That medieval scholars ran into wait wait before like marco polo and sounds like that and so you know like in our modern times we’ve invented.

[29:23] The weather could do a whole history thing about the whole like the british when they invented the system that is you is universal use now for translating chinese characters in the latin letters and back and forth.
But this could be an example of someone trying to do that very thing like way before.
That common system and then develop very figuring out how to translate and he start language like that.

[29:48] And they said that it even has like the same structure and total patterns,
so that i thought that he was pretty interesting how pressing the like to this number just in ellicott this is a language this doesn’t mean something that white that white of but can’t il.
Translate this and that we were present level white people spend their time on this and sister that’s like that’s why does and something i thought was funny was one person on the books mentioned that,
is something about this particular one is that it looks easy yes looks very like,
this is something that if i figure out this monday this be i translate it so it sucks in a lot of trip covers that way because they’re laying all,
yes this is gonna be easier to look at it so straightforward and they just big data on where they get into it the more the lost.
There yeah we’d oh this is a different member of the national security agency this jeans are child.
He was a linguistic indo-european languages propose the manuscript is a hitherto unknown northern germanic dialect.
Yeah fighting menaced manuscript is a skill syntax several elements which are reminiscent of german languages more i don’t know on that one like it much fall on it and i.
Like us your germanic languages i don’t think of late late renaissance manuscript something to.
More germany obscure dialect there was so all different.

[31:16] At the time of the fourteen hundred right cuz that’s it wasn’t that time is the holy roman empire the right place divided up into two billion.
Will that she’s in principalities that baby don’t talk to each other like the staff is like doing my own genealogical research i found out that you know it.
Down the police that he was from.
Germany then turns on but no you’re for romeo but now the sun hotlines and border to suffer drama yes you are from germany how are things now that back at the time it’s your only and gas self,
okay i’m hungarian so it could be but like i said it this thing is just a mistreated since deeper deeper as i think it’s some kids that don’t have that right what they did she.
Do i write my own isn’t the apartments i tried and i ran the federal the website for several years while in so i’m trying real hard,
oh yeah and use it running my own history of magic book.
And he is feels was a lot of driving symbols and starts and the oil and languages for the for the book and.

[32:32] And and and what does it matter where to find that you’ll eight hundred views on the road a little on the young forever,
in the future what the hell is this they understand the concept of infection willy was will help are you can be like us something on their mind when they find the probability of holy crap,
look at this,
fantastical plug this all these terms don’t let me be measured was possible to get it two thousand two or whenever i go with my brother and actually the man bunch of ohio.
I have this monkey should i wear that’s the whole vs wolverine at the moment from the sixties this to go again and i was calling my after versus achilles’ shirt is like that’s all they are is there,
there are version you like,
he always was directed to get all the water of life by a by a car and so he’s indestructible vs hector the greatest champion of the trojans and there are these larger than life immoral beings continental moral struggle and,
the same way that with comic books and movies but will that this remake that hundred it is but in this comic book series they told this story a lot like how human oral traditions work where it’s not.
Hard and set into a single like can in document about this riddle me how many times a superhero character died and are born again so hundred years from now when history be like.
What are some accounts that superman die fighting doomsday and it’s back after that the history and still disagree.

[34:06] You know the true or was the original version of the superman story from a hundred and fifty years will never leave whole story’s gonna be told.
And that’s the only twelve story that’s only just sobering me think of all the content out there is like.
Holy crap holy twelve different stories of never told so as long as you have your hair winter here or here ow the story that goes through a,
use answer my mental life change.
Then he doesn’t complete this topic but the but you’ll so then yes it’s late but it’s,
select the the story with the guys and stuff from you know the hundreds and hundreds of years ago we was actually just comic book crap that now we’re regurgitating in reno make but we know that has actual this,
fictional characters that right but there on the view the people she booze this stuff look at other sure everything is she use the as so and that’s when making an argument because he,
you find reference sister hercules on all the stuff from pottery always for cultures,
all these different legends that contradict each other always powers were is the city of the fantastic part is he dies or real.
It doesn’t worry so here is my brief rundown of history of people who claims to have translated the manuscript in the twenty first century cat.

[35:38] In twenty fourteen we.
I have an extra three play of the implied of the client list ix professor steven backs revolution article of twenty fourteen claiming to translate ten words to minister i remember when this one came out and he.
Use a similar technique justice iverson injection hieroglyphics he claimed the man you split manchester is a tree he’s on nature in near eastern or asian language but no full translation was ever made before his death in twenty seventeen,
forty two something like.

[36:14] The weather is no answers of making of the one guy dies and goes all knowledge what’s or who’s he never publishers release the one who says he apparently i didn’t get,
you know obviously have like,
a lot of time delay digging every theory but it’s interesting one but i’m always skeptical when someone’s like i have the answer and then they drop off the face the earth doesn’t like yeah he died in twenty seventeen.
Creams founders of twenty fourteen.
So why didn’t he put anything between now it was conspiracy he class of people telling which parent as exactly that.
I got you got me there i mean he really said i’d like a suspicious.
Yeah but regardless i mean if you know any scary things to say that he even came close it has in contribution to all these starting.
Yeah i agree to come in tight and with that three we were talking about about being.
Like an eastern language or something like that is your translation for eastern languages.
So let’s see in september twenty seventeen television writer named nickel which always really makes me feel better about their research yeah it was gives claim to be quoted the manuscript as a music for,
crackly previous latins now yeah legal scholars to his work,
and they said that his hypothesis wasn’t originally criticize date is patching together a whole bunch of already out there scholarship perhaps even building up on one of you know backs.

[37:55] And basically,
the lady looked at me of america stated that gives the sacraments doesn’t result in latin that makes any sense there’s a naval academy of america and i kinda wanna work there so this last case you this is the one that you’re probably,
you probably mentioned earlier this happen just recently and yes november twenty seventeen so professor great could.
Contract and what’s funny is i heard this one to and actually your friend before i started my research were like water the translated it and it starts one of,
at work about this particular thing but now we have an update that’s like yeah as soon as i hear what’s going on great professor great contract,
a natural language processing expert from the university of.
Up together with his graduation bradley how our use artificial intelligence as the gas to to try and attempt to code the manchester,
their findings workers that presented at the annual meeting of the association of computational linguistics what mouthful twenty seventeen.
In the form of an article suggesting the language of the heart manuscript is most likely hebrew.
But in coding music included using algor are plants will it alphabetically serial.
It’s all the rooms that is that just shut your mouth or nose cookies for breakfast.

[39:18] However the tv and this is the part i didn’t know about my coworker told me about i i really.
You know the product was all discovery trip for all of us are the key word is yet you do you follow up like six months later when the news doesn’t isn’t talking about it cuz there’s no press release,
six oh well that fizzled where all the niggas or whatever so here’s the.
But for somehow ever this evening at the experts in medieval manuscripts overview that were not convinced.
And the queen is strongly disputed by expert in hebrew and its history here’s something is saying that all okay.
Six okay so he drops a little bit okay perfect so case so they’re saying that its.
They kind of practice a little bit but then the angles and bullshit heating the people saying bullshit.
Maybe are to protect themselves away to be the one to be the ones to crack it like it is and i have.
But self preserving because they.

[40:27] I have an ego thing in academia i’ve run into a lot of that this into this part of the built in.
How active you functions is that you put out of my house this is and,
really work and in what sizes people try it you put that out there and everyone tries to replicate yeah and to punch the shit out of it to see if it can actually like stand up to being festival in everything else.
So i mean its partners at the serial role in scientific inquiry like this built in your head.

[41:00] But i also know from personal experience with family members have worked in my high and last genetics is it that the absolutely people’s egos play a big role in it as well so it’s like there complement each other like,
is it isn’t showing it is like the personality types that go into this kind of thing.
Drive that way or does this attract that personality was making them more like this you know right right so yeah there there can actually there can absolutely be a.
If the opponent that pisses they haven’t put out there like a fool translation or even like a big block of la translation,
it’s really hard to dispute between ask for a says there’s an expert he says this is seems like right now the consensus is that they haven’t cracked it from what i’ve found but it’s not because it’s so here’s the thing.
It’s so new fb record this in,
you know february of twenty eighteen addresses just in full of twenty seventeen that you know this could shake out we could learn a whole lot more coming up here but we don’t get.
That’s macabre or rich from the headline and he never add rule to hear first exactly.
One thing i’m kind of x and no one’s if they we’re find out what it is i hope it’s something this is completely means like.

[42:20] I can do just as surely something mundane like you just so could fifty grand and yeah like if they translated literally the picture with the lightning at least about that little all the text is in like.
In five different languages of latin and hebrew and always that amazing place horses live yeah it’s yeah lr to send us.

[42:47] So
Find over and done is what travis what do you think it is honestly look into your computer honestly think it it is if you if you had to get like.

[43:00] Get your head for a time traveller what will you guesses based on the plants drawings.
I have no clue who says he is your own one has is a person books a hundred pictures this is true for me yeah i was in the south of france and the naked women.
It’s the base foundation of cocaine manufacturing plants places and planted something warehouses,
oh because the woman i love were close in school and the making of sciences industries so this is like the personal journal both of,
wait wait renaissance scarface exact starfish yeah i think that’s exactly where this is nice like this theory is.

[43:53] Are you is it already like giving us your pieces of rice you know if you’re solid with and if it is in blue background about as we wrote this book.
What is the background we are now is that song from,
we all prepubescent missing p present teenager it was working perfectly okay so if you have is he has ran bloody kinda,
but it’s one season have a lot of friends is one best friend so okay he figured is his parents his mom was it doesn’t do anything she now lives where because you know fourteen hundred,
in italy and have his dad was actually about meters of these pages that painting which would be very expensive and he just steal them from his dad and this way it’s not it’s it’s a huge binders collected pages overtime within an.
You know that there is able to her in the back that time period and he is friends fucking around and just saying let’s let’s practice you know,
drying these plans practice during the things that holds me some moves you know and this is like a weird like this weird meters down lane weight and becoming just like.
This story of him and his friends hang out enough to.

[45:05] Truly think about the case but it’s an idea of that is just some kid around painting explored.
What’s probably have done was have the word but you know this is kind of thought that that was like the first thought that came to my hands of this is just somebody who was.
I am trying to make up their own trying to practice rating in another language and didn’t know what they were do we and they have no way to check their work with someone who actually knew the language.
So you’re saying its history is equivalent of a man who is clearly two children on top of each other trench coat.
He is so i think the truth for those who was the one to actually decipher this thing.
I think the sure way do this not find the kid who wrote to find his best friend because he’s gonna be carol’s lose later on probably photos and the they don’t let those head they were blood brothers and they said i had.

[46:03] Okay so that comment about character development hearts were getting rich back story about this about,
come in the coming of age story young young man italy in really trying to find himself and his best friend on their adventures.

[46:21] Yeah they’re with their father the book binder and get now that say you probably have like a shit for.

[46:29] Is the pages were made out of sheets once in a while not necessarily visit the buyer from yeah,
and they have to have access to the supply if she has twelve years apart to find him hes a live close the reservation forms of her clothes,
and there’s your family of five hundred years ago for years to say where just ivory describing northern italy in the fifteen hundred like.
You know it’s like cut to someone standing around in medieval italy really want to change every were just friends.
Find it go on but the thing is book of yeah.
Turn the heat slowly formidable light and just be like have a.
What crappy burrito something like the sink that is directly of thinking with well actually like,
okay baby places that will see reviews never actually seen the pictures of cecil of sherry has a six days late and at the end he finally seals the receiver minecraft,
set up pics yet what do you do with your who i don’t know i.

[47:49] I am intrigued by the reese girls dream ideally like it was a while and what would you.
What would cause it say you about it basically.
The coolest would be that is the actual spell book of queen elizabeth the first ss astrologer that’s the that’s my favorite one is for it like that would just be so fucking bad ass.
I’m starting to think like one eighth when it says research this morning at three am i thought that,
i would go with this most recent interpretation with the hebrew one where it was like for a few because the theory just like sounds good bs like,
you know you have alot like,
yeah but history of jews in europe at medieval times like that they would have a lot of reason delayed have proprietary knowledge of the protecting the cipher and would have been a delight medicines that played or a magic stuff because that was kinda like arms distance from,
like stuff that you don’t christians at the time we will in a it would explain a lot of things going on there’s a agencies possible.
But more and more as we go into this three surgeries talked out with each other i’m leaning towards the it’s.
Easter island it for a nice like east asia and stuff that was brought over before anyone had any idea how to.
Handle it or how to translate praying what what they were looking at what we’re dealing with right so.

[49:19] So how did you first like find out about the wind is measured is never heard of this.

[49:25] I am in c ville until it uses videos of income it comes up a lot in.

[49:34] Top five greatest mysteries of history homework i like history and this is always like one of the tough ones because this is pretty crackable in the.
It is a very light implies knowledge or technology that is way ahead of its time move for voice doesn’t really apply that don’t know enough about what is actually studying.
But it is not together lot with something that will do it happens about coby and the kids room mechanism.

[50:00] Which is the ancient greek mechanical computer that can calculate the movement of the planets all in a shipwreck and it is the coolest.
Most mysterious like historical objectivity dislike these three the when the manuscript the and tickets for mechanism and about one battery.

[50:18] Where like i got a guy in that line actually built joint working batteries back in like,
one thousand pc or earlier and and we have no idea what it is using them for the head like the citric acid in his special,
pottery made to hold the citric acid in any of the like copper and the iron or however that works with the battery and copper wires and stuff running hot she was using electric current for something and some people that he was like.
Performing sorcerers something like that or that he thought he had medicinal purposes and the light basically like people that he had magic or are trying to create goal is all the.
We just.
Because so far back to where we don’t have like a lot of written right place what the hell is this so that’s the big three in like his historical mysteries is probably the circle and a slave people of the internet is.
Anything for mechanism away from any strip that long battery so okay and get a deeper and you tube is.
It’s cool stuff you said yes so that’s that’s the voyage management international of.
Open invite for everyone to death with that.

[51:36] History of a book with a long way to last like examples of midi but my.

[51:44] Is it ever been documentaries are those movies like it’s inspired movies of booklet what are some movies and books that are kind of inspired list of it to be to buy a recognize any of the books that are like there’s a lot of miles out there that like mention and share the,
you see a lot of like give age is very to vinci code is very.

[52:05] You know that kind of style of story telling like national treasure inspired select knights templar conspiracy kinda stuff no use like one k on trans label codecs for medieval times secret knowledge nothing get.
So if you know it almost like is come like one of the projectors of the tropes of.
Nobody volt rails knowledge conspiracy couldn’t knowledge thing that.

[52:34] Send me nite all hours of the to watch the telly around and that world but there is always many blake.
There’s like little short ones they’re like top-flight mysterious thing all and they have ones that are like the story of the bit of weight management related to our normal history channel human cell cycle.

[52:56] I love you too for that’s where the real history channel is now does not like.
A fucking ax man or like grease it dies right grizzlies nice rose or something,
is this your jealous now where’s the still history of these days he’s like ice road truckers during the summer because it helped us alot so hot.

[53:18] Cool thank you for tuning in everyone once again you can follow us on facebook be sure to check cinema copper more dot com.
And be sure you know what or patron weren’t sure were gonna be offering some exclusive content.
And thank you once again for joining us will catch you next time with another stent stick mystery.

[53:44] Yes and that is the farm.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 1 Astral Projection

“I have been far away all this time, and I haven’t left the room…It was clear to me that it was because I was a spirit that I had so vividly ‘seen’ and felt a place a thousand miles away. Space was nothing to spirit!” – Helen Keller in her book My Religion in 1927

Welcome to Macabre Grimoire, the podcast of paranormal exploration and weird history.  In our first episode, we meet the team. Medium Ari Show, Magician Travis Nye, and History Nerd with an internet connection Robert Mehling briefly explore each other’s background and then move into our first topic, astral projection.

As far as we can tell, Humans have believed that a person can exist outside of their body since we were human.  From the Ancient Egyptian Ba (Soul that flew to the afterlife with the help of Ka, I studied Egyptology, this could be a whole episode by itself), to the Japanese ikiryō (生霊) (also read shōryō), and countless others cultures down through the centuries.

Emanuel Swedenborg was one of the first people to write extensively about the out-of-body experience in the relatively modern era, in his Spiritual Diary (1747–65).

Most researchers note that the primary evidence to support claims of astral travel is anecdotal and comes “in the form of testimonials of those who claim to have experienced being out of their bodies when they may have been out of their minds.” Subjects in parapsychological experiments have attempted to project their astral bodies to distant rooms and see what was happening. However, such tests have produced negative results.


Sources, Links, and otherwise:

Keller, Helen (1927). My Religion (First ed.). Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company. p. 33. Retrieved 12 December 2017.

Frederick Lawton Balzac The Echo Library, 2007, p. 18


Sioux Empire Podcast Network Launches Paranormal and Weird History Podcast

Sioux Falls, SD: The Sioux Empire Podcast Network is launching a new podcast about the paranormal and weird history titled Macabre Grimoire. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you’re a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.
What makes this podcast unique is it’s combining the perspectives of believers, history buffs, and the skeptical eye of a performance magician in the grand tradition of Harry Houdini’s “A Magician Among the Spirits.” In addition to the paranormal, the trio will also examine weird histories and historical mysteries. Topics in the first episodes will include dream interpretation, astral projection, and the Voynich Manuscript.

For producer and co-host Robert Mehling, this podcast is a passion project that he’s been planning for many years. “This project has been a dream of mine for a long time. These topics are something I’ve wanted to approach in a format like this since I was a kid listening to Coast to Coast AM with my dad.” Medium and co-host Ari Show “Since I deal with the paranormal in my everyday life getting to talk about it on a podcasting platform is very exciting. I never realized how steeped I was in not only supernatural experiences, but also paranormal lore after we recorded our first few episodes. I’ve been podcasting for six years now about filmmaking, and we’ve touched on the paranormal before, but I’ve always wanted to be involved with a project where its topic was the sole focus.”

Macabre Grimoire is available on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and all primary podcast providers. The first full episodes will premiere on Tuesday, May 1st.

Macabre Grimoire Coming May 1st, 2018

Macabre Grimoire is a podcast of paranormal and mystery exploration. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you’re a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.

Coming May 1st, 2018.

The History of Science Fiction – Pseudo-Science – Extra Sci Fi – #3

The History of Science Fiction – Pseudo-Science – Extra Sci Fi – #3

10 High Ranking Officials Who Talked Frankly About Extraterrestrials

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