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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 9 Near Death Experiences

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 9 Near Death Experiences
Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye
Produced by Robert Mehling and
Voice Over by Dave Holly
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“For in that sleep of death what dreams may come / When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, / Must give us pause.” – William Shakespeare Hamlet

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death. Such experiences may encompass a variety of sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. NDEs are a recognized part of some transcendental and religious beliefs in an afterlife.

Different models have been described to explain NDEs. Neuroscience research suggests that an NDE is a subjective phenomenon resulting from “disturbed bodily multisensory integration” that occurs during life-threatening events. Though none of these theories has been proven scientifically.

The Field is also not without it’s hoaxes. In 2015 The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven: A True Story (Published in 2010) By Kevin and Alex Malarkey sparked a massive outcry after it was declared by the author to have been a fabrication, this after selling over one million copies.

(Image Ascent of the Blessed by Hieronymus Bosch is associated by some NDE researchers with aspects of the NDE.)

Common elements
Researchers have identified the common elements that define near-death experiences.[3] Bruce Greyson argues that the general features of the experience include impressions of being outside one’s physical body, visions of deceased relatives and religious figures, and transcendence of ego and spatiotemporal boundaries. Many common elements have been reported, although the person’s interpretation of these events often corresponds with the cultural, philosophical, or religious beliefs of the person experiencing it. For example, in the USA, where 46% of the population believes in guardian angels, they will often be identified as angels or deceased loved ones (or will be unidentified), while Hindus will often identify them as messengers of the god of death.

Common traits that have been reported by NDErs are as follows:

A sense/awareness of being dead.
A sense of peace, well-being, and painlessness. Positive emotions. A sense of removal from the world.
An out-of-body experience. A perception of one’s body from an outside position, sometimes observing medical professionals performing resuscitation efforts.
A “tunnel experience” or entering a darkness. A sense of moving up, or through, a passageway or staircase.
A rapid movement toward and/or sudden immersion in a powerful light (or “Being of Light”) which communicates with the person.
An intense feeling of unconditional love and acceptance.
Encountering “Beings of Light”, “Beings dressed in white”, or similar. Also, the possibility of being reunited with deceased loved ones.
Receiving a life review, commonly referred to as “seeing one’s life flash before one’s eyes”.
Approaching a border or a decision by oneself or others to return to one’s body, often accompanied by a reluctance to return.
Suddenly finding oneself back inside one’s body.

Cross-Cultural Aspects:
Gregory Shushan published an analysis of the afterlife beliefs of five ancient civilizations (Old and Middle Kingdom Egypt, Sumerian and Old Babylonian Mesopotamia, Vedic India, pre-Buddhist China, and pre-Columbian Mesoamerica) and compared them with historical and contemporary reports of near-death experiences, and shamanic afterlife “journeys”. Shushan found similarities across time, place, and culture that he found could not be explained by coincidence; he also found elements that were specific to cultures; Shushan concludes that some form of mutual influence between experiences of an afterlife and culture probably influence one another and that this inheritance, in turn, influences individual NDEs.

According to Parnia, near death experiences’ interpretations are influenced by religious, social, cultural backgrounds. However, the core elements appear to transcend borders and can be considered universal. In fact, some of these core elements have even been reported by children <3 years old (this occurred over many months, whilst playing and communicated using children’s language). In other words, at an age where they should not have been influenced by culture or tradition.

Also, according to Greyson, the central features of NDEs are universal and have not been influenced by time. These have been observed throughout history and in different cultures. This notwithstanding, cultural influences have probably played a role in some NDEs’ reported descriptions.

Lots of Theories
Spiritual or transcendental theories
French summarizes this model by saying: “the most popular interpretation is that the NDE is exactly what it appears to be to the person having the experience”. The NDE would then represent evidence of the supposedly immaterial existence of a soul or mind, which would leave the body upon death. An NDE would then provide information about an immaterial world where the soul would journey upon ending its physical existence on earth.
Some NDE phenomena cannot be easily explained by our current knowledge of human physiology and psychology. For instance, at a time when they were unconscious patients could accurately describe events as well as report being able to view their bodies “from an out-of-body spatial perspective”. In two different studies of patients who had survived a cardiac arrest, those who had reported leaving their bodies could describe accurately their resuscitation procedures or unexpected events, whereas others “described incorrect equipment and procedures”. Sam Parnia also refers to two cardiac arrest studies and one deep hypothermic circulatory arrest study where patients reported visual and/or auditory awareness occurring when their brain function had ceased. These reports “were corroborated with actual and real events”.

Limitations of spiritual or transcendental theories
Five prospective studies have been carried out, to test the accuracy of out of body perceptions by placing “unusual targets in locations likely to be seen by persons having NDEs, such as in an upper corner of a room in the emergency department, the coronary care unit, or the intensive care unit of a hospital.” Twelve patients reported leaving their bodies, but unfortunately, none could describe the hidden visual targets. Although this is a small sample, the failure of purported out-of-body experiences to describe the hidden targets raises questions about the accuracy of the anecdotal reports described above.

Robert’s Note: Lack of large enough data size is a common theme.

Psychologist James Alcock has described the afterlife claims of NDE researchers as pseudoscientific. Alcock has written the spiritual or transcendental interpretation “is based on belief in search of data rather than observation in search of an explanation.” Chris French has noted that “the survivalist approach does not appear to generate clear and testable hypotheses. Because of the vagueness and imprecision of the survivalist account, it can be made to explain any possible set of findings and is therefore unfalsifiable and unscientific.”

Psychological explanations
French summarises the main psychological explanations which include: the depersonalization, the expectancy, and the dissociation models.

Depersonalization model
A depersonalization model was proposed in the 1970s by a professor of psychiatry Russell Noyes and clinical psychologist Roy Kletti, which suggested that the NDE is a form of depersonalization experienced under emotional conditions such as life-threatening danger, potentially inescapable danger and that the NDE can best be understood as a hallucination. According to this model, those who face their impending death become detached from the surroundings and their own bodies, no longer feel emotions, and experience time distortions.

Limitations of the depersonalization model
This model suffers from a number of limitations to explain NDEs for subjects who do not experience a sensation of being out of their bodies; unlike NDEs, experiences are dreamlike, unpleasant and characterized by “anxiety, panic, and emptiness”. Also, during NDEs subjects remain very lucid in their identities, their sense of identity is not changed unlike those experiencing depersonalization.

Expectancy model
Another psychological theory is called the expectancy model. It has been suggested that although these experiences could appear very real, they had actually been constructed in the mind, either consciously or subconsciously, in response to the stress of an encounter with death (or perceived encounter with death), and did not correspond to a real event. In a way, they are similar to wish-fulfillment: because someone thought they were about to die, they experienced certain things in accordance with what they expected or wanted to occur. Imagining a heavenly place was in effect a way for them to soothe themselves through the stress of knowing that they were close to death. Subjects use their own personal and cultural expectations to imagine a scenario that would protect them against an imminent threat to their lives.

Limitations of the expectancy model
Subjects’ accounts often differed from their own “religious and personal expectations regarding death” which contradicts the hypothesis they may have imagined a scenario based on their cultural and personal background.

Although the term NDE was first coined in 1975 and the experience first described then, recent descriptions of NDEs do not differ from those reported earlier than 1975. The only exception is the more frequent description of a tunnel. Hence, the fact that information about these experiences could be more easily obtained after 1975, did not influence people’s reports of the experiences.

Another flaw of this model can be found in children’s accounts of NDEs. These are similar to adults’, and this despite children being less affected by religious or cultural influences about death. See also cross-cultural references.

Dissociation model
The dissociation model proposes that NDE is a form of withdrawal to protect an individual from a stressful event. Under extreme circumstances, some people may detach from certain unwanted feelings in order to avoid experiencing their emotional impact and suffering associated with them. The person also detaches from one’s immediate surroundings.

Birth model
The birth model suggests that near death experiences could be a form of reliving the trauma of birth. Since a baby travels from the darkness of the womb to light and is greeted by the love and warmth of the nursing and medical staff, and so, it was proposed, the dying brain could be recreating the passage through a tunnel to light, warmth, and affection.

Limitations of the birth model
Reports of leaving the body through a tunnel are equally frequent among subjects who were born by cesarean section and natural birth. Also, newborns do not possess “the visual acuity, spatial stability of their visual images, mental alertness, and cortical coding capacity to register memories of the birth experience”.

Physiological explanations (organic theories)
A wide range of physiological theories of the NDE have been put forward including those based upon cerebral hypoxia, anoxia, and hypercapnia; endorphins and other neurotransmitters; and abnormal activity in the temporal lobes.

Neurobiological factors in the experience have been investigated by researchers in the field of medical science and psychiatry. Among the researchers and commentators who tend to emphasize a naturalistic and neurological base for the experience are the British psychologist Susan Blackmore (1993), with her “dying brain hypothesis”.

Neuroanatomical models
Neuroscientists Olaf Blanke and Sebastian Dieguez (2009), from the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne, Switzerland, propose a brain-based model with two types of NDEs :

“type 1 NDEs are due to bilateral frontal and occipital, but predominantly right hemispheric brain damage affecting the right temporal parietal junction and characterized by out of body experiences, altered sense of time, sensations of flying, lightness section and flying” [6] “type 2 NDEs are also due to bilateral frontal and occipital, but predominantly left hemispheric brain damage affecting the left temporal parietal junction and characterized by a feeling of a presence, meeting and communication with spirits, seeing of glowing bodies, as well as voices, sounds, and music without vection”
They suggest that damage to the bilateral occipital cortex may lead to visual features of NDEs such as seeing a tunnel or lights, and “damage to unilateral or bilateral temporal lobe structures such as the hippocampus and amygdala” may lead to emotional experiences, memory flashbacks or a life review. They concluded that future neuroscientific studies are likely to reveal the neuroanatomical basis of the NDE which will lead to the demystification of the subject without needing paranormal explanations.

Animation of the human left temporal lobe
French has written that the “temporal lobe is almost certain to be involved in NDEs, given that both damage to and direct cortical stimulation of this area are known to produce a number of experiences corresponding to those of the NDE, including OBEs, hallucinations, and memory flashbacks”.

Vanhaudenhuyse et al. 2009 reported that recent studies employing deep brain stimulation and neuroimaging have demonstrated that out-of-body experiences result from a deficient multisensory integration at the temporoparietal junction and that ongoing studies aim to further identify the functional neuroanatomy of near-death experiences by means of standardized EEG recordings.

According to Greyson multiple neuroanatomical models have been proposed where NDEs have been hypothesized to originate from different anatomical areas of the brain, namely: the limbic system, the hippocampus, the left temporal lobe, Reissen’s fiber in the central canal of the spinal cord, the prefrontal cortex, the right temporal lobe.

Limits of neuroanatomical models
Blanke et al. admit that their model remains speculative to the lack of data. Likewise Greyson writes that although some or any of the neuroanatomical models proposed may serve to explain NDEs and pathways through which they are expressed, they remain speculative at this stage since they have not been tested in empirical studies.

Neurochemical models
Some theories hypothesize that drugs used during resuscitation induced NDEs, for example, ketamine or as resulting from endogenous chemicals that transmit signals between brain cells, neurotransmitters:

In the early eighties, Daniel Carr wrote that NDE has characteristics are suggestive of a limbic lobe syndrome and that the NDE can be explained by the release of endorphins and enkephalins in the brain.[59][60] Endorphins are endogenous molecules “released in times of stress and lead to a reduction in pain perception and a pleasant, even blissful, emotional state.”

Judson and Wiltshaw (1983) noted how the administration of endorphin-blocking agents such as naloxone had been occasionally reported to produce “hellish” NDEs. This would be coherent with endorphins’ role in causing a “positive emotional tone of most NDEs”.
Morse et al. 1989 proposed a model arguing that serotonin played a more important role than endorphins in generating NDEs “at least with respect to mystical hallucinations and OBEs”.
Limits of neurochemical models
According to Parnia, neurochemical models are not backed by data. This is true for “NMDA receptor activation, serotonin, and endorphin release” models. Parnia writes that no data has been collected via thorough and careful experimentation to back “a possible causal relationship or even an association” between neurochemical agents and NDE experiences.

Multi-factorial models
The first formal neurobiological model for NDE, included endorphins, neurotransmitters of the limbic system, the temporal lobe and other parts of the brain. Extensions and variations of their model came from other scientists such as Louis Appleby (1989).

Other authors suggest that all components of near-death experiences can be explained in their entirety via psychological or neurophysiological mechanisms, although the authors admit that these hypotheses have to be tested by science.

Low oxygen levels (and G-LOC) model
Low oxygen levels in the blood (hypoxia or anoxia) have been hypothesized to induce hallucinations and hence possibly explain NDEs.[14][5] This is because low oxygen levels characterize life-threatening situations and also by the apparent similarities between NDEs and G-force induced loss of consciousness (G-LOC) episodes.

These episodes are observed with fighter pilots experiencing very rapid and intense acceleration that result in lack of sufficient blood supply to the brain. Whinnery[66] studied almost 1000 cases and noted how the experiences often involved “tunnel vision and bright lights, floating sensations, automatic movement, autoscopy, OBEs, not wanting to be disturbed, paralysis, vivid dreamlets of beautiful places, pleasurable sensations, psychological alterations of euphoria and dissociation, inclusion of friends and family, inclusion of prior memories and thoughts, the experience being very memorable (when it can be remembered), confabulation, and a strong urge to understand the experience.”

Limitations of low oxygen levels (and G-LOC) model
However, hypoxia-induced acceleration primary characteristics are “rhythmic jerking of the limbs, compromised memory of events just prior to the onset of unconsciousness, tingling of extremities …” that are not observed during NDEs. Also G-LOC episodes do not feature life reviews, mystical experiences and “long-lasting transformational after effects”, although this may be due to the fact that subjects have no expectation of dying.

Also, hypoxic hallucinations are characterized by “distress and agitation” and this is very different from near death experiences which subjects report as being pleasant.

Altered blood gas levels models and their limitations
Some investigators have studied whether hypercarbia or higher than normal carbon dioxide levels, could explain the occurrence of NDEs. However, studies are difficult to interpret since NDEs have been observed both with increased levels as well as decreased levels of carbon dioxide, and finally some other studies have observed NDEs when levels had not changed, and there is little data.



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[0:27] Fourteen that’s the death what dreams may come. When we have shuffled off this mortal coil must give us pause william shakespeare hamlet. [0:39] Hey everybody welcome to macabre mark chapter nine in your hoe siri show here with my fellow co host river mailing and travis ny and this episode we’re going to be talking about, near death experiences. That kinda makes sense on the internet that’s kinda depressing that i’m even reading it or hearing you read um like. Weather sprite down a grandma for uniden often should diagram having and have a near death experience and she’s actually still alive but it’s coming out there is there a. Prepare for it i did will you be sure close enough. [1:25] So yeah so near death experience for those for the uninitiated is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, such experiences main purpose of riley sensations including detachment from the body feelings of levitation total serenity security wharf. [1:45] Experience of absolute disillusion and the presence of light. Near death experiences of recognize as part of a trans and as part of some transcendental and religious beliefs in the after life. Cuz often these near death experiences will it will get to that will actually reflect the. What while they we will reflect the religion of the person having the experience but the same time there’s a whole bunch of universal light beats or themes in and you’re gonna is that like every culture has but it. But it’s interesting so as as we go here at the other thing is that i’m run down some different models of when used to describe it any decent you spite. There’s really no real science tried suggests. A subjective explanation for what causes and any and in d and. You know there’s a lot of the series and they sound very scientific, however i would be quick to point out that none of them have ever been and actually inmate in my digging here fully like scientifically proven or bend light fully repeatable in a study where you could assist billy consistently be like. Oh this is not or this is definitely what causes it right he can’t that spirit ex just think. Campus hearing about the section of the an interesting topic because i’m right now i’m researching for my on. [3:12] Production things that kinda induce fear moons little be good that death is a big catch all for a lot of that the. And in this field is not without its hoaxes cuz ie i tend to be very open minded about these flight always keeping mines that. They are con artists out there the most famous one and most recent one that i know of is from in twenty fifteen the boy who came back from having a true story published in twenty ten k and alex malarkey now and you know it says a true story that their trying to like get you to leave them no his last name is malarkey popping up on the last me until just now sent that seven hours until i was reading it out loud and now down to see the note to read it out loud like holy crap their names are even malarkey spurs happens first came out i was late in the story roll as it only got that how did you not know that this is the. Because of their last name and the to the whole thing that they have that they actually put in their true story booze. [4:16] Coming publisher tactic loosely well also what kind of my thing to is like is this true i’m telling you the truth that you have to believe me believe me yes okay let’s go there now but i know where you’re getting that from yes thats so there’s there’s a common illness near death experiences. Research survey identify the common elements that the fight in years experience. And the general features include impressions of the one else outside was physical body visions of deceased relatives and religious figures. [4:52] Transcendence or eat got take erotica he got it or species special temp oral boundaries thank you your welcome i get words. [5:02] I am not looking where they should’ve expresso he bet many common elements have been reported although a person’s interpretation of these vents often corresponds with their cultural philosophical religious police experiencing, for example in the usa were forty six percent of the population please a guardian angels they will often be identified as angels or deceased loved ones. Where is he news will often identify the in figures that are with them as messengers of the god of death when. [5:33] So here’s here’s the like beat laundry list of common things not now there is no hard fast rule because i i read through a whole bunch of this and it don’t roll like you to experience is. And a lot of them have missing a few of them but hear some like be points seem to correspond with a whole crap load of them. A sensor awareness of being debt since of peace wellbeing pain was this possible motions innocent of removal from the world. An out of body experience is really coming but it will get two in one of the explanations is not always the case light at sea. The total experience this is the one that in the picture were gonna use for this episode as a painting by our monia squash. Percent of the blasted that has a you know a deceased person traveling through a tunnel of light and it is. [6:29] Dead on what i think of when i think of the the tunnel be like traveling through and i even seen is used in like different religious. Things and stuff like that describing what the total would be like um. So that’s that painting is really on top part with the tunnels what we use for the tunnel and that bright light in the warm light being a good safe place. And being at peace is super common thread of any these are eighties part me from. Yeah encountering beans of all of light that kept our possibly deceased love ones. Receiving error yet receiving will life review commonly ss refer to as seen one’s life flash before one’s eyes now this one in particular wanted to know because. [7:21] My great grandfather had a near death experience all. And getting getting into will we get the explanations and some serious about what costs these this is part of what throws off the cultural inference theory, where it’s like people hear about incident that in handling alien abductions well, once those happened like almost and am pretty describe the grace of lee everyone describes their italians like something in. Where as with near death experiences they were not get i’m getting ahead of us but we were really covered in depth until like the seventies was like seventy five of the first. Major article about this national in some bomb but my great great grandfather. He was fishing on lake in minnesota and they were using it this was about like the twenty’s or earlier and they were fishing in a lake with dynamite. [8:13] And if so what they’re doing is it taking stick of dynamite dynamite with long fuse the stick in a jar and with a rock and then they throw it off and you know that so they were fishing. Had he was the only one in this group of like four people that can’t swim so he jumped of the boat and swim out he gather all the fishing from the boat. [8:32] Well they had one that didn’t go off that was like a daughter whatever and so they waited and waited and was like i guess it’s not all off so then they set off another one he jumped in the water. M and the first one the three late earlier one went off while he was in the war lasted a mouse and it’s is and the only things either as i was super young but i tune in at my dads recall that stuff is just like. [8:58] One of the things we are member was in top you must like that thing they say about your life flashing before your eyes and floating and all that is like it’s true. Sec i saw everything i saw when i was little kid and and my mom and dad and. He saw relatives that were like long passes of like that yet so he had a really in depth wall sprite did, with all these full marks that were talking about yeah wave of and this is not a guy who was like super following the media or anything like that. I just this is a super world farm kit from doing busy doing his own thing and living his life like barely pay attention anybody and and not like a science fiction person or even novel reader is so it’s like. [9:41] You know where what you’ve got nice ideas from but this is you know like what but he reported to us and com right here someone say your life flashes before your eyes i do think of. [9:52] The other thing is that he’s the one i name for this is robert richard bailey of the first one all. [10:00] So what is approaching border or a decision by oneself and, others report that they are forced return their body often accompanied by a reluctance to return their body like it’s not time yet there’s a place i’ve actually heard of this you when people are doing past life regression xp young men if you also regressed to a soul level which is like one step beyond just going to pass but they are actually going to like, the actual soulmate where your soul exists and people have reported that, there’s that leftist return because they’re in such an area just like you for a in peace, that to return back to your body impact your own consciousness is very difficult because you don’t want to leave that. So i had a friend that she does that as for her for a living and she had, she had one client where it was hard to get her to come back and she was actually like legitimately scared that this woman wasn’t gonna be able to come back and her body is. Well paso yeah it’s yeah. [11:04] Let c and another one is than the sudden the experience of some refining yourself back in siting here your body. Getting in to some the cultural aspects we talked about earlier, this great curry shoes shoe shan publish an analysis after like leaves from five different inch civilization ss old and middle can me gypsum area all babylonian mesopotamia, that in the previous china and pri columbia ms america. Compare them with historical and contemporary reports of near death experiences and shah matic after life journeys. [11:41] Says he found similarities across time place and culture that cannot be explained by when since he also found elements that were specific to cultures. He concludes that some form from the mutual influence between experiences of an after life and culture and probably influence one another. Through you know what they inherit and internal influences in their individual on near death experiences so i guess that it slaughter the wording of that. [12:11] Basically take way there is that you know someone from india my see agents of the god of death someone from america my see guardian angels, but they’re still gonna have those common hallmarks rate very strangely consistently across the board services a lot what i experience in like my line of work is that everybody has these identifiers of things but essentially their disturb the same thing as is the title that you give to it in the mean that you get to it so now so i what you sell a defy somebody in like you know india will sail this is like the god of death where is like somebody americans will ask my guardian angel but they are essentially the same, being is what they’re talking about us just the title that you give to it and so even like what i do some of the work that i you know when i’m like interpreting like signs and symbols you now its hard to like it’s like i’m seeing. Like a pitchfork i’m trying to put my own meaning to a pitchfork behind ability you ate that you understand what it means you know like it just i don’t have like. [13:15] Fuck was that what was were looking for like of reference point, to like to like relate to it and as i don’t know when c and light is is a pitchfork really think know at the trident you know any might, that’s the house like people like relay the different things that just be sanyo might experiences this is how they are experiencing is that’s why i think a lot of people are like, it’s like such a religious experience for them but it’s it was me and i think people are experiencing the same thing this is what, they are defining for themselves based on their life experiences. [13:47] Days tell you just steven knows your he should just do like a blog like an ink blot test but only showing like the real tangible items to see how people translate them i should i should. Show like an outline of a car and see how people write ray translate that are sump oh yeah yeah like i had a reading of a couple days ago and i saw in my vision like in my mind i saw truck, i should’ve specified pickup truck right not just said truck and i specifically sought pickup truck and i don’t know why i didn’t say it how i side in the eye that. Difference of me just saying truck and not specifying. Was meant alot more to the sitter then it did it to me so i shouldn’t specifically said pickup truck and then shooting like in gas so yeah it’s so funny how people are just so lake. [14:43] W two glasses so crazy. [14:47] Yeah leaves me scratching my head cuz i just really truck you know mic checker thinking ten or so i track you know. We depend on the context but if it was you or out on a farm and it was like harvest season or something i be like pickup truck while you reading three and i’m like okay super anal haven’t you his email series crossed over you know and it in and so, he’s your son he’s been gone for a long time any diet need a quick leave you get all of my grandfather say okay please show me a picture of a truck and you would think. [15:19] Mrs patsy so it was like that and so there’s no to the mike so that’s kind of. Sorry tangent nola school. Soon there are a lot of the reason so i have lots of notes of them here but we’re gonna really like give you quick fly over version of them to some of them are really get into the weeds and really exhaustive but. Like i said none of them have been like explicitly proven out the first areas obviously the spiritual one in which you know people say is like maybe it’s an out of body experience or know people actually seeing you know the after life. And is the a c. [16:03] They’re van five different studies on this year here’s the limitations with that one as to five different cities have been carried out to test the accuracy of the out of body experience morons with this is what you were talking about re in the messenger um. [16:18] Where they would give unusual all targets in locations that were only someone who was having like an and de would be able to see like up by the ceiling and stuff like that but clocks and weird signs and trinkets and stuff because we. [16:32] But they would use a during surgery off at, they will just have these items in the surgical operating room up above the lights so bare theory is that if you were spirit is going to physically float outside of your body, then if you were you if your spirit is floating up above, then you should be able to have a different perspective on the room because a lot of people report being able to see the perspective of like the surgery and might what’s going on in the room and had a different for spec of but there’s no way to prove it’s a lonely approval would be to put something that order out of place in an area that nobody else can see and look a place to do that is on top of the lights so then they would place like clock they would place is it just different eyeball things are signs and stuff of them they would ask these individuals hopefully they would know check spirit james yeah yeah and so then they that well did you but what else did you see like them and that they didn’t describe that particular object than that will. And this is a predator your take me as a if they didn’t say that particular opulent i saw pink bubble than that all the niggas your whole experience bullshit they better really happen like your just fabricating that based off but be what you see on tv and there are some researchers in here that were like super careful those like not say that that’s right don’t dismiss near death experience even if it’s. [17:55] Even if is a product purely of like internally of your minds kosher like. It shouldn’t be dismissed just because of that it’s not what super profound experience and have a major profound impact on the have them. And then so like we did the experiment you were talking about where they had twelve patients reported leaving their bodies in that then those surgeries. But unfortunately none of them to describe the visual targets although, this is a small sample failure of the ported out of body experiences to describe the hidden targets raise questions about the accuracy of the and it don’t reports describe buff. And might know here is that you obviously twelve people is not a scientific. Say is not simple my papers by doe means that but it but it is interesting that you know that they did not see it. And that and we’ll get to that later there’s one more report where they get a study worth like half the people. That describe the surgery go have like from outside of their body half of them got right what equipment was being used on them glass half of them didn’t. Um let’s see so. [19:12] Yet their there’s a lot of people who dismiss and de researchers as pseudo scientific and they are there beat worry there is which obviously is like confirmation bias to nothing works like were there looking for. [19:26] A destination and then how can i make the data get me to that destination which is a problem um. And something else i was hearing about this something is listed on the radio it wasn’t about near death experiences but was talking about something just like this i know i was reading phenomenon by. Same woman that wrote like area fifty one and a few other of books that i’ve referenced before that are like very good books on like this topic and she was talking about how it now this book. In particular was about like an okay i’ll try and like remove center and set the biggest thing that the department of defense had trouble with. In their research was that the only people they can find are either a. True believers who have just like ridiculously bad confirmation bias all the pentagon officials at this point i don’t know if i trust their data. And then. [20:24] The it’s like there’s only them and then there’s diehard skeptics were just like i won’t even entertain this i wont write a paper about i want to study about it because it’s ridiculous i won’t even entertain it and so the pentagon s like. So how do we test they said it has either you won’t touch it or you’ll get all over it and then numbness at yeah yeah. And i i feel like, a little bit of that with this we’re just cool like because it’s such a hot button and controversial it this like you got researchers who are super super late oh this is definitely a thing yet and it is amazing above and then you’ve got people who are just like will no matter what it has to be. You know it has to be on their head all day i just need to figure out how it’s all in there at the seams like both of pics the destination not defy the data back devestation. [21:17] Is not good science not awful and so. Oh you know getting into the signs little bit here there’s a bunch of psychological explanations and all the scientific explanations i found a lot of these to be the. The weakest tom cuz like the personal is personal station model doesn’t really work that great because i. People that suffer then usually. It’s very unpleasant anxiety panic emptiness stuff like that was in the user basically the exact on the door at from yeah. [21:52] Um that see expectancy model this is the one i talked about a little bit with my great grandfather all year, it just like it’s wish fulfillment or they probably read from outside sources about and yes but you look at somebody like from each some area are my grandfather in the twat nineteen twenties or great grandfather that he twenties and, it’s like these guys were not you know like sitting around watching leonard special leonard mean weight my search of about near death experiences. This is not in their wheelhouse ray that see. [22:29] So we took cover when basically it’s me like of anybody’s like super duper religious there’s and they make top on your experience of height i don’t know about you but i’m camel and a little bit quick to dismiss like there experience, just because i pay i think they want so badly to see angel’s, because like they need a physical confirmation that that but they held so dearly to their hearts their entire life their religion that they follow to a t the date now that they have six pairs i’ve seen angels kike have you or are you very sure you are experiencing some sort of like optional or you know phenomenon in, and that’s where i get a little bit suspicious that the sooner somebody mentions jesus am i am out. The stunning friendly so that i think that’s pretty significant. [23:16] But that’s another psychological what is that this association model which is just that something bad is happening see your mind is distracted disassociate from it. [23:27] I found this wanna be super weak and and dollar to give like a counter argument is is it so like. [23:35] It’s just in my eyes will be the saying oh used the word do this other rain in this out thought science now ray what bright. And in lake perth model which is saying that like the tunnel and the lights are, it’s like your dying brain is trying to re imagine birth like most dramatic big thing to happen to you but as many people will point out or, i’m on other things like with c sections a bunch of other stuff, you wouldn’t have the experience that you don’t actually remember it’s in general area i did they talk about is article talk about the shutting down of the accesible loving like white was he a tunnel of light and that’s why you see light. [24:15] I remember hearing about the little bit i don’t know that will make it more it to the white jump on if you’re not in there will get these are the psychological was always ira to get more to like a chemical reaction and okay chemical components. [24:30] So the physiological ones so so mute. Yeah oh my god senior st is a lot of black and sebastian d the glass as it doesn’t in from the cold poly tech be there eyelid day lasso on switzerland propose of bream braced my with two types of and the ease. Thank you um so there’s one this due to the bilateral frontal accidental but. Primarily right hemisphere brett see you were getting into the weeds here but basically there’s talk about this. [25:06] Go for it okay so okay so type one and either due to bilateral frontal and accidental see your frontal lobes like right up in your biz right on the front of your forehead your simple as write the backlight refill bobbing the back your head so you put your hand on the back your head you can actually feel, that bob your side and i am a very loud vibrating stuff, i had three channels all one word other network news about predominately right hemisphere brain damage affecting the right temp or upper right all junction so if you wanna put your hand on the right hand it on the right side of your brain or reset your head and characterized by out of body experiences altered since the times and seasons applying light does vaction in playing so the right side of your brain is a part of you that’s like very imaginative and creative, and so it that it’s basically all of your senses and that’s why you feel that alton the time is in station the flying exeter center so that’s why they’re trying to categorize it into that category of experiences the type shoes of near death experiences are also due to bilateral frontal and the village is basically the from your in the back your brain so the from your brain processes is. [26:12] Oh i ask as a result of thinking in the back your brain is it is how you see so like these two are kind of like, and like they’re kinda conf looking right now but predominantly left canister access like your thinking side air vents think that but how you think and how you process like i am. More physical part of yourself so they’re talking about. Then the talking about c here of affection left trail junction character is a feeling a presence meeting and communications spirit singing line bodies lol voices sounds unfamiliar. Music without vaction so that’s kinda like how you experience and how you see things, and so that’s so like the so you’re basically your brain is is having like this moment of just like this incredible dislike electrical storm is going on inside and that’s how they’re trying to on scientifically classified, these experiences so looking overload between for and yeah yep and so bad that’s kinda why there saying like that i believe, in what you’re saying it has happened cuba hear the scientific explanation what’s going on in your brain and why you think that so lot scientists will say that like me and what i do is basically my brain. Bel functioning and like that’s why you still like you have feelings that you know things are your communicating spirit that everything but there’s also there’s also a large part of it to where it’s unexplainable. [27:35] So then do i use plaster of years of so they suggest that damage to the bilateral accesible court or text may lead to visit and at the optical cord taxes actually outside of your simple or text in the back your bring lily to visual features of near death experiences such as seeing tunnel or lights damage to you lara bilateral temp for a little structures that’s on the side your head like by your years, answer to the hippocampus and a middle leslie hippocampus actually goes over the top section of your brain and nigga left me gosh i’m having fun having a brain fart shop maly to motion experiences memory flash better life or life reviews so you’re hippocampus is actually, um like how you feel experience things and that’s why and it’s affecting that would explain it that way the concluded that future do scientific studies are likely to reveal the nero anatomical basis of the md which will lead to the d miseducation of the subject without needing paranormal aspect explanation so they’re trying to say basically like this is how zions explain that so juss gg fl but hot but, you still have like well you know we kind of exit like we are all energetic bodies and our enter your energy experiences life in different ways than just scientific off so you can say that yes like science has an explanation but, there’s also you know your energy of your person and they never been able to like. [29:02] Prove it i can conclusively and allow trigger this and what exactly ethical reason exactly exactly trigger this and then no okay that’s clearly what’s right. [29:11] Let’s see this summer so. [29:19] Some of limitations of the narrator michael model. Is that your mean spec okay what we were just saying it ruing speculative because there’s a lack of data right. Op rights although some of the new roll up your room near near anatomical models, propose bay servant to explain indies and pathway through which they expressed their main speculative at the state since i have not been tested with empirical studies. So yeah so yeah and we get in to the neuro chemical one which i thought there’s one of these that i’m looking for that was interesting. [29:56] You know sot there was this the talk about the indoor fans being releases stuff like that they get into the problem with that is that, it would produce a lot more negative, hallucinations and then what and he is ten right right to be here for all of purses lake panic and pain yup. [30:17] Policy and then there’s like a park ca and i see like low oxygen level based when gas. The multi fact role as they they just mention it could be some of the stuff combine with some of physical neurological straightest combine with the psychological right. [30:34] Hmm let’s see so yeah that the high park see a thing because through that because. [30:40] They talked about all these test cases that they’ve done with pilots and what pilot physically experience is nothing like it and the as far as like rather than being sri and colder usually like flailing around like seizure in his when they have it. So yeah so they’re not sure on that one and yeah it same thing that i just said this britain there. [31:04] Alter blood gas levels it’s difficult to interpret sins and the zip have been observed bowl of with increased levels and decrease levels of carbon dioxide so yeah so that gas levels thing is really hard for them to. To measure to pinpoint and then, yeah yes so basically like science is trying to bring you down from trying to say the word that you met jesus and he came back to tell to tell you a story, no about it in the hazard those the explanations or the thames and explanations are the best they can come up with greatly fight you guys mentioned you had some. Possible stories or things with near death experiences here sevenths yeah yeah okay yeah there was a is okay in handcuffs hundred aircraft carrier in a barrel, trying to this skate yes that’s exactly what it was robert that is amazing. Nigga said did not survive that one so if she so here i am in my near death. Experience floating in particular you looking for goes you know i don’t really wrinkle in ages much anymore it’s good yeah translate hydrated but can’t hold anything is false yeah so anyway my near death experience. [32:21] I consider new does experience cuz like died so that’s new does right okay yeah so is more like a in the moment thing like i don’t really have a huge recollection of the in between from beginning to end of. All i know is is doing demolition work in milwaukee where down town and there’s this huge like six story building. [32:45] And we’re basically getting the interior which happened and in the two walls with taken out on the exterior so just a huge. At this point we guide on like three stories as a three story l shape ascension the corner and whenever they do construction like than a big city they put this huge like a foot fence around the perimeter the sidewalks people don’t walk by right direction so i was in there and my bosses super tight and we’re just picking bricks that were still good to pallet eyes and sell yeah yeah okay so we’re doing that and the guy running excuse me to swing the bucket and hit the wall and like all this dust fell on me and in the wall sure point am i watch it bud like that is no joke you need to be careful yeah so like twenty mins later he did it again and the walls swing super hard and i’m like maybe five feet away from it so i took off in a dead sprint, in the walking completely collapsed and i have no idea how to do this i got some white guy and like somehow i is not a fast runner let’s just let’s keep this pc and it another says earning a high jumper, so let’s say like i clear this eight foot fence in time that actually pushed the fence out she and i rode the fence industry while also like. [34:08] However tall a three story building is right like il ran it before it collapsed game so that’s like a matter of like five seconds, is that the acid is like sixty feet in five seconds like i was a ten second car ray her leg but in that time period like. [34:25] Do your like i have no recollection of like what my physical body had done. I like that me all i remember is it like starting class to crumbling noise and then i’m on the fence and huge like does cloud so’s lily like your fire flight. [34:41] Really. Flighted right let’s say if i offer my life it’s a little more sq your kindness system chicken and basically your survival instinct was just like yeah let’s go duke and, but you’re jalen isms and they got you at the right so the guy with the loader that hit are any other people or they hurt no he wasn’t her cuz of course the wall fill outwards towards my direction which the smart move would’ve been run for the because there’s a garage door that was no longer there, that i could just bypass the but of course my mind is like lets run towards the collapsing wall was running away from it and. So that was definitely like i’ve had a couple other crazy experiences but that is definitely one that stands out my mind is like i physically feel like my body took over and i just kinda blacked out from it. Like it was he has no recollection of like we’re consciousness wasn’t that point yeah like i’m just like, girl and just kinda took over like it’s it’s kinda crazy but i don’t really have the flashbacks and stuff because i really feel like it wasn’t me that made my body. Take off oh interesting that you even think it was like my my would a never said i you run and you take two steps make sure shuffle real quick so i get to jump position and then clear that fence interest my my would have been like yeah i’m screwed us over don’t make it to the fence and no way my mind is set like going over that since the. Well that’s and that’s interesting yeah. [36:08] And your site nice service experience years i now i live i guess the pleasure and tell those to the till somebody else my tail that’s crazy yeah i’m and now. [36:21] That was like browse at your buzz you actually see yourself outside your body, no doing miss you have any communication with anybody was just like all the sudden you have this altered state of consciousness for you just burnt i was on the vents when is done so i know what it yeah while, my tuesday is crazy for sure. [36:42] Have you tried like bingo red events stephanie is like psychological experiences will eat your brain basically just like shuts off it’s recording mechanism yeah just goes into like it goes into a mode and just like you have no recollection of like. And yeah i mean cuz it wasn’t you know like, an open field for me to run on like there a place to rubble that i would end of life right over there a issues a perfectly made like, running reminisces see you actually like sprinter like there doesn’t mean handle leg after the dust settle like traffic had stopped obviously cuz i mean and yeah the big city yeah in like everybody’s a out of the car looking at me right like are you okay and then my dad was icsi where he’s a good my does does sound see me there and then he went after the guy running the machine so yeah like i was like holy crap so. [37:36] Canadian things exercise so as possible this is kind of. Find interpretation of it i think that maybe is like a wrinkle in time of i think i night crawler didn’t right that’s why and right i’m gonna go with that cuz nba yeah actually. Nice yeah. [37:54] The not so odd numbers you you don’t know how it happened allison you’re point eight point be like people totally doing a form of like time travel were like basically time actually stretches out orbitz or basically gets quicker so like this times and you can do this like we’re going to work even like there is so like i really wanna get to work on time is a snow storm i pad and i left at my normal time and these are the snow that we had it would’ve taken me an extra five to ten minutes to get there i actually write an extra ten minutes ahead of than my normal tia when i left at my regular times it was just like. I didn’t speed i was driving slower but yet i still arrive ten minutes ahead of time so laying ow hole that happens of maybe something like that was less traffic. No nope it was a it was in the scientific robert okay but when laying are moments there’s no on i don’t know that i don’t make it ten antennas hat i’m always act right at. The buzzard or a little bit because are you now so that’s maybe that’s one way to think of it the girl fight this it just tossing it out there. [39:08] Some near death experiences arie do you have any i don’t have any and the east i have a meditation experiences where i felt like outside of my body which is more like the actual production wishes come with roof already covered episode one in case you are interested or chapter one sorry anyways i did read it i have read quite a few books though on people’s own experiences and just notice like common themes as far as like experiences that they have and it’s like you know all the thread count and to hold hands and i don’t think that this is like. One particular religious experience for person it’s i think is a common theme or all kind of going to the same places just your life experiences defining what is it you’re seem so two books i read when i am. Were on heaven is for real which i don’t wish even after million with it’s basically about how this little boy at four years old um medias three does that his degree way she ended irate. [40:13] Um he has like this massive infection from appendicitis and he’s in the hospital and he ends up. Dying for a little while on the operating table. Well then his dad they they the parents don’t know at this point time that he is deceased. So he just starts the parents are just like, praying at the deli praying praying praying this pray to god say my please to bring my son back please please please now here’s the this is where this the father what he does for living he’s a pastor so it’s kinda late mom as a kind of weird about anyways. [40:53] And the little boy actually gets is revived and he’s he makes out of surgery any actually as of friday he’s like and he’s probably fifteen years old right now so i am. After this after this experience in the hospital but the doctors. Don’t say that don’t think like he clinically died but like the little boy was definitely outside of his body because the little boy later mentions about how he went to meet jesus and how about what heaven looks like and his like mention this in bits and pieces and the dad is this as is the china story says about how you super careful to not like. Guide him in the story telling like that to like plant stuff than you like ms remember i mistake things is always is always whenever he rip out of this you just let let’s kick talk cell. [41:42] What kind of like figure out so what the little boy says he says isi you on your knees in this room and like he described the room praying to jesus that, that i would be that i would be safe in that’s when jesus told me that i needed to go back to my body and back tomorrow to tune a mommy daddy and so he was just like there’s no way, that his son would have even known about that because of what why would you tell your three year old a four year old son that by the way i was in the waiting room praying for you to play come back yeah the crazy thing that tell them that because the first thing that comes to the shit out of them seven holder not gonna understand and they might understand a little bit but not, you know to the extent so and he also mentioned he knew about that there was. [42:30] A year but they had had their pregnant they miscarry and so when he got to have them will he gets hundred away by this girl who is having its okay she just so happy to see him and she is like dark curly hair and describes girl in full detail and then that’s and she said that she was her sister and he’s these like, i don’t have a sister like i don’t have an older sister is have me on my other you know sister whatever and like they’ve never told him that. You know that they had a child at the miscarry to there’s like little things like here and there that late there’s no way that he could’ve known as such a young age and the other thing like he describes that is consistent with other people and it had like, have experiences like what jesus actually looks like so there’s this painter who she was and her team that she had she had expense for she’s, set you would have a whatever the painting about what jesus looks like yes so is like kind of interesting floats that’s apple and then the other one i read was ninety minutes in heaven. [43:33] Play again and the guys a pastor and he is the car acts and and like he’s actually dead like on the scene of a car accident do look into the hi eve risk lifestyles of the pastors who is a danger zone baby using his potty basin so basically he’s, is pronounced dead on the scene and they have a blue tarp over his car and everything but because he was like coming to or going to you up we’ll say a pastor convention because of that other, that’s what i was going to whistles every tree revenge of a passenger there when the. Person’s going to the convention recognized his car because they were good friends in the end he he pulled over and demanded, to the empty staff like i need to pray over my friends body like i just need to understand his deceased but it’s my job to minister to him so they allowed to go into the car and be with ham and pray over his body and he pray, furiously he says for like arrow twenty thirty minutes is costly just praying as hard as he cut and then all the sudden. He comes back to life which is lake. [44:39] Impressive i think i’m not a doctor but it sounds impressive and then he he explain like his whole experience to how he side no, old people that hassan they’re happy c and the angels voices the singing exeter etc, i’m describing things that like he could out of notable you know without being there so sd this is kind of interesting those experiences so the other couple books you can probably. Check-in to but. [45:06] That sent the plane so it almost like to say when i was younger like three years old yeah i kinda had an out of body experience similar to what we’re talking about. Because it’s because in at a previous chapter talked about like re occurring dreams and dream interpretation but this is actually a dream. That i had re occurring over and over yeah but it’s so real. We’re basically i seen a tollway this case of the yoyo traveling on the floor and rolling string leaving a trail of do you string me and leading into my room why can’t we would see myself and what i was doing and stuff that moment but i tell this to my parents and all originated because again i remember the house and like we moved out of there when your three and i get like. Get is details like the pictures on the wall like the color card where the furniture and everything like my toilet like my entire room layout the entire house to teach perfect detail. And without ever having photos of this room rating like that and is that three year old mind that you’ll still remembers the stingray and that’s honestly my interpretation of the near death experience like, the out of body and everything like that is to me it’s almost more scientific is the fact that you know this goes back to me being younger and thinking i could make. [46:26] Power energy balls can i resign yeah exactly and i remember one of the things that is reading like when i dial up internet and wait forever for document alone is very valuable information cuz i didn’t wanna hit refresh. [46:38] That you know all these powers abilities were more capable of happening when you younger because your mind is more open to the saying. But i also think in a stressful situation such as a near death experience your mind reverse that primitive thinking to the flyer for fight or flight scenario timing, but also goes back to you know like your mind is more capable opening up and using higher percentage of its abilities to. See exactly what’s going on around you that’s why and honestly for like my greeting and stuff like that no effect because i think if you’ve trained long enough that your your mind is capable of doing it because we don’t know what the full capabilities of, the human mind is crazy out whenever i go through like training train glasses for psychic stuff that sounds really when you go to jail what i do is talk about using your child like mining using your resignation cuz when you use your imagination that’s when you’re able to tappan them or those things, and it’s list there’s less judgement and that’s how you can kind of. Yeah like no very make ceasing it’s a major don’t try to bend the spoon that’s impossible, if i can only realize there is no spring in if already band to this room mortgage is it that of. Who is siri will see you now have a mini oracle seen yeah. [48:02] So yeah that was chapter nine near death experiences once again just a reminder to everybody that you know fee if your fancy by this topic are you got your own experience that you wanna share be sure to comment on your post on the sioux empire dot com or the facebook page we’d love to hear from you and hear about your stories on this and what what you think about this cuz this is a very interesting open-ended thing that get in touch a lot of people and i’m super curious about what’s out there it wasn’t as a message every year thing kinda shy yeah absolutely you could send us a email or message or whatever if you don’t wanna, communicate open like that yeah and one more thing yeah actually okay so if you have a spooky experience with ghosts out experience anything that like hat ever happened to you and it doesn’t have to be on the top of the of the of the episode that read it on please send it to us cuz i would love to read it on the episode and like share it no absolutely and you want to zero go after you ago an actual interview to be awesome yeah to welcome guests yeah they live or free recorded yeah whatever. Or if your dad and you just need to sent you know if you need to do an interview via wi tube or we can set that all is a sweetie thing today i’ll sell ya the air will talk about another episode. [49:21] The best we g thing you say that like it’s like is this nonsense like, i saw this thing he barrera was as again in hashtag re ge in your favorites for surge noise should be the, nice in one thinks everyone have a great week and we’ll see you next time.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 8 The Carrington Event

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 8 The Carrington Event

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


“There was another display of Arora last night, so brilliant that at about one o’clock (AM) ordinary print could be read by the light.  The effect continued through this forenoon, considerably affecting the working of telegraph lines. The Aurora’s currents were so regular from east to west that operators on eastern lines were able to hold communications and transmit messages over the line between the city (Boston) and Portland, the batteries being discontinued from the wire.” — The New York Times, September 3rd 1859.


The solar storm of 1859 (also known as the Carrington Event) was a powerful geomagnetic solar storm during solar cycle 10 (1855–1867). A solar coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth’s magnetosphere and induced one of the largest geomagnetic storms on record, September 1–2, 1859. The associated “white light flare” in the solar photosphere was observed and recorded by British astronomers Richard C. Carrington (1826–1875) and Richard Hodgson (1804–1872). The now-standard unique IAU identifier for this flare is SOL1859-09-01.

A solar storm of this magnitude occurring today would cause widespread disruptions and damage to a modern and technology-dependent society. The solar storm of 2012 was of similar magnitude, but it passed Earth’s orbit without striking the planet.


Past Power Failures in the past –
Northwest US and Canada –
August 14, 2003

On August 14, 2003, the electricity went out in a large swath of the Northeastern United States and Southeastern Canada.

The blackout affected the states of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Vermont, Michigan, Ohio, and Massachusetts. About 50 million people were without electricity, some for as long as two days. Eleven deaths are attributed to the outage, and it is estimated to have cost 6 million dollars.

Federal authorities ruled terrorism out almost immediately but took longer to figure out what had caused the problem. The verdict – hot power lines sagged into trees and switched off, causing other lines to carry the extra burden. They couldn’t handle the load and tripped a cascade of failures. Systems that should have given an earlier warning of the growing problem failed. The US – Canada Power System Outage Task Force concluded, after a 3-month investigation, that a combination of equipment failure and human error was to blame.

San Diego – Sept 8, 2011

A major power outage on September 8, 2011 left 5 million people without electricity from the west coast, east to Arizona, and from Mexico north to Orange County, California. The outage lasted for up to 15 hours. The National University System Institute for Policy Research estimated the economic impact of the power outage to be between $97 million and $118 million.

Although the Arizona power company said the outage appeared to have been associated with an employee replacing a capacitor at the North Gila substation near Yuma, why this routine task would cause a failure was unknown. Whatever the reason, had the system performed as it should have, the outage would have been confined to the Yuma area. So it appears that it was possible a combination of human error and equipment failure.

From Lloyd’s “Solar Storm Risk to the North American electric grid” Executive Summary:

“The total U.S. population at risk of extended power outage from a Carrington-level storm is between 20-40 million, with durations of 16 days to 1-2 years. The duration of outages will depend largely on the availability of spare replacement transformers. If new transformers need to be ordered, the lead-time is likely to be a minimum of five months. The total economic cost for such a scenario is estimated at $0.6-2.6 trillion USD”

Keep some emergency supplies around; you never know when you’ll be left in the dark. Here are a few ideas.

A good supply of fresh batteries
Candles (long burning ones, in glass)
Lighters and/or matches
Propane or kerosene lanterns with fuel
Fuel for your generator if you have one
An old-fashioned phone that plugs into the wall
Car charger for your cell phones and mobile devices

Battery powered radio
Canned and dry food enough for several days at least (that’s bare
minimum really, the more you have the longer you can hole up at home)
Food for your pets or other animals
If you put your candle or lantern in front of a mirror, you can almost double the amount of light you get from it.



Really good quick overview video

“Solar Storm Risk to the North American electric grid” This report was written by Lloyd’s with research and analysis by scientists from Atmospheric and Environmental Research, Inc. (AER) Nicole Homeier, PhD, Director of Product Innovation and Senior Staff Scientist at AER Lisa Wei, PhD, Staff Scientist at AER.
Lloyd’s would like to thank Professor Richard Horne (Fellow, AGU, British Antarctic Survey), Michael Maran (Chief Science Officer Catlin) and David Wade (Underwriter, Atrium Space Insurance Consortium) for their input in the report.

Machine Transcript

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[1:49] How is suzy super lionel disagree was super lines in a vacuum leak walden time gas back in the olden days.
At the phrase and noise they can your kids see me like literally like the idea of the nineties is it that a lot to so i also ate.
Yeah i’d eventually reading about different like accounts and people outside of just around to six different sources of like that yeah this nice write up.
They call you you wanna.

[2:21] I can dive in and you guys can try wind surfing to start but does the people of brief idea of what it is so the carrington event also known as the solar storm of eighteen fifty nine was a powerful go magnetic solar store.
That says where the sunny jetted giant crumble mass ejection.
And hit the earth’s magnetosphere and the effect of the space with my nose fear is basically like an invisible force field that are.
Our magnetic poles and are you know nickel iron course planet.
Produces that protects us from cosmic rays and radiation and a whole lot of different stuff well.
It can only protect against so much and sometimes the solar storms the that we get hit directly where heard of a way that radiation is not like a huge issues looking gamma ray burst for just quit mucus all.
What happens in these particular cases where it’s like super powerful is that which is foreign of when we’ll get the radiation mariah missed your gets paint really powerfully with,
lots of electromagnetic interference,
basically like at the pier electromagnetic pulse where it’s he can do anything to conduct electricity is gonna pick up on some of these currents.
Is we just right there in the quote from the new york times back in the eighteen fifties.

[3:45] Back then the with this major storm hit cuz the carrington one is the one a like largest reported once and it telegraph lines were especially vulnerable to it so they would pick up the current,
and i was just so much electricity in the atmosphere the lines are picking up that literally can’t send telegrams across the country.
Yeah and not use about you normally of the battery of its a its just like no battery needed because it’s is this giant metal core so it’s is picking up all this electric,
it’s tesla’s dream all this electricity in the sky empowering everything,
i until it blow stuff up right so i silently basically they have the battery is connected there was like a lightning bolt it like jetted out of like one like op phone operators.
Four head and my heart into like the florida like it was insane so there is a ghost someone the stuff for a little while it is kinda chill out yet power surges really bad gas but the all tiny batteries and stuff and the in.
You know the tune of the kinda knew what was going on cuz richard c caring ten is the british astronomer for spot and it because it was facing quarts,
in line when it first or the earth was when it first started so he that’s why it’s name the character event is that he was the first one that,
the spot it yeah actually cuz he had a special son telescope and the diagram golf so all walls are grown ass wasn’t that so we know surprisingly for the time a lot about.

[5:10] Incident craft you look like you say something no i keep hearing something transfer yeah week say you.

[5:18] Baby it’s me better of hearing it rn.
As of right now just so used to it hard it’s it’s is the mice in the walls just hear your home and i gotta get my ass or later can keep lying about me and him but okay so.
Here’s that the reason i wanna talk about this vent because it i mean it’s just a quirky footnote in history except for the fact.

[5:43] You know that’s the eighteen hundreds.
Telegraph lines are like the only technology round traits there’s a whole lot of doom saying out there about if of an event like this were hit today kinda like it honestly what about you.
I am with yours i don’t wanna die at lake you die would you think are as a deep thinker step is grounded enough though that it wouldn’t completely the friday i think that maybe we would just not be able to use our devices.
Well what it would do specifically is that it would blow transformers yeah especially all over like the ne i stay to fit right.
And so it would cost like a major blackout and transformers are expensive and complex all bills so,
i like the document i sent you guys from laurie’s,
where they did like a very in depth analysis of our past power failure some of the caring to vent the carrington event itself and then like the cost of eggs insurance company for like yeah plan for an.

[6:46] They sent that made me figure that if any number of it even slightly significant number of transformers were damaged the power outage could be like five months of.
So no power for five months so now you’re like we could do with that is just just can’t use your cell phones,
but it’s more than that you could there be no lights there be no all i have a little bit lag when i play fortnight,
just a bit ago five of leg just right down step
forward shoes to the left just put it in an envelope and become like the old like typewriter but dos versions of games yes so enter at idle
i don’t want it to happen it’s probably going to happen but it’d be interesting to see how,
it’s basically how we all adapt and make try to continue with me in the majority what i do is electronic they say i think you go as well so there’s like no way,
i could i would even have a job emily have figure out different jobs any how would you know how would money work how would you go society operating mean in any part it would be you know as are the communication stuff is like okay we still have male.

[8:00] Even so communicator letters the popo you you could wipe the i wouldn’t be able to find the address of the electronic route.
Yeah about that was your cuz you who delivers your mail,
the post office did you drives with gasoline draws gas pumps that need electricity no ice in the room saying vehicles that have electric starters,
if i give you a hand written letter and set age deliver this to boise idaho falls is could you get it i would have.

[8:34] Yeah i would do it with several days that idea of who’s be very interesting.
Hey i need belts for terrify just because me and basically anybody.
Anybody on dialysis or anything medical all this to get ugly ever be super screw that in that aspect
get holes we’ve not the weak points were gonna be strong and we come out of those travis as i got whiskey a eugenics to a minimum jesus,
i didn’t but but know what a cat and then i mean that i could you know to get into the the week of the strongest like.
Ls you’ve got some gigantic food stores or lake giant plot of land with a bunch of arable soil and food.
Cuban food that i don’t know about we’re all like three days away so it’s is like.
Yeah we’d be the hot people in hospitals of would be the ones in trouble first but after about a week we’d all be pretty face screw to write races at lake.

[9:34] If you’re weird like plumbing systems year freshwater filters on is that near your water is all the liver by a,
electrical pumps that pump water up and the water tower in the next what creates your the smaller towns probably might be fine because maybe some of them are all converted to a trailer in electrical or whatever.

[9:55] What is it like something some super small towns are having like a bush a well pump on your lap while pump what powers the pump,
i have a main your annual income oh you’re talking about like a okay i don’t think there’s any towns that have a water system like it comes natural ordered but.
But you know i could imagine a few forms that still have that but i know farmers flick that site for a even a lot of the farms anymore date,
they have old wells they could bring back on line great but a lot of them are pumping in a lot of their water through like me to cut a pipe wireless of our pipeline that.

[10:33] Criminal let about how towns work to get a sim city italy your license they i mean.
Win big really really screwed like yes yes fortunately dizzy as know you might be in with me but you need be nice cuz i do have a pretty healthy food storage in my basement for like two years stored.

[10:54] But how long can we live on donuts,
well it’s not all doughnuts sugar me news yeast there’s very is offering grace no i do actually have good food storage plus there’s always like my whole fam is a heavy and like survival stuff and cases what yeah i know,
if so where the best places to get a water supply if something were to happen is actually hot water heaters get fifty ounces i guess i read that in a book.
And arm of the title of the book but basically they had a an atomic bomb went off in california and they had to figure out how to survive and that was one of the things that they did she is a hot water heater and the.
Main character in the book was really bummed out that the water is fully hot and not cold and refreshing because you know hot water heater.
Yes so film f i were there and read school all not even getting like some the traumatic event.
You are being seem to have a light cuz i remember reading different apocalyptic thing so sorry is like a played out like something from my weekly reader that had like,
play breaking london or something like some throw away the proper yeah all about it and.

[12:04] This like but humans but telling the same story over and over and over and over thousands here yeah.

[12:10] The one thing though that i think they get wrong it at a new we could do a whole episode about apocalyptic scenarios that post apocalyptic dystopian stuff but.
You know what crack does a really good job of like analyzing and services like the look of societies where it like that of horrible broke down and like actually know what the mad max thing doesn’t happen because people are.
Believe it or not people aren’t monsters great what happens is your familial ties in your neighborhood and stuff like that cake and so like.
The example they use were like venezuela and egypt’s during that revolution while like three years where there’s a total breakdown of law and order like each neighborhood kind of like cordoned off its boundaries and this is the local man from the neighborhood
it’s rifles were like.
You know guarding me working like tonight watching some cats that neighborhood and the people still working iced and that you don’t like that’s what human beings do it’s just pray.
Now it would break down all much smaller lower local smaller level rates yes yes.
But yeah the the electricity thing in north america i mean it would be.

[13:18] Ight be bad cause that’s the thing i was for about like the transformer shortages stuff word be like there people i’ve heard say it be like two years to get all the power is.
And like the lights did he like the financial on it that just for totally billions and trillions of dollars yeah yeah so getting into like an example of a past.
Very similar scenario were much smaller.

[13:43] Event in two thousand three hit the united states this is the example of the lloyds article used to talk about of ends of it,
so in august fourteenth of two thousand three hundred c on large swath of the northeastern united states and south eastern canada.
The blackout affected the state of new york new jersey pennsylvania connecticut vermont ohio massachusetts about fifty million people were without electricity.
What’s funny is i was camping when this happened and we were all sitting around the camper but it was like a really nice electrical camper with kick out and can he is of like that and just like and we world to sit there like eating are like indian tacos or whatever rsvp for sharing food week may.
Watching on the tv is like people walking home across the brooklyn bridge because.
You stupid gridlock going to get in manhattan that’s of like so how crazy would have been like if you’re in that scenario and like just camping around no electricity they can convey happen you go back home like.
What’s going on and who i just come back to nothing yeah and.
I need a button that says this line for me we could do hold ups are about a whole episode about people that.

[14:55] Out of the loop on like kinds of the was much more common you know back in the day but i remember.
Like one like mount manner person in alaska that like the only comes down once every ten years or something like that,
i remember a two thousand nine when he came down for supplies and found out about like nine elevenths of jesus you know in like one that he will do an episode on down the road is the,
yes um a japanese veterans that were on islands that didn’t know and didn’t believe that japan had surrendered,
i’ll hit fighting world war two through like the sixties and would like to support local or hostage are killing recently supplies of it so yeah you have this handful of japanese scanner of these little island specific cut off from all info.

[15:39] Would fight fight fight and kill for.
Full moon from world war to say it’s like the sixties and even i think the last one was like in the seventies and now.
How can i be what is that not a tourist what i was sure it was messed up about it though was from what i know at least one of them were.
The japanese government even brought in like so it was like is commanding officer form and two are like the next one in line cuz obviously as commanding officer was within one died yeah but.

[16:10] You know it was like people you would know from the military be like you need to come out you know we’ve surrendered bob off,
the brought out like is family like it’s son who was now fully grown in stuff like that came out the speaker out the jungle like looking for him in.

[16:24] He just figured this like no other prisoners of the americans now and they’ve been brainwashed what’s up ladies rambo status was basically like first line yeah yeah i’ll.
Like i said we could do a whole episode of low rank it alone things.
Amanda sounder for you from now on and ima come next episode of sounder next chapters every time you say we get a little episode.
Absolutely so let’s see.
I think the one thing that i like most about talking about the carrington event is how many people never knew these things existed like the solar flares and now the social media suppressive people like freak out about them.
It’s like to these been happening for everybody a whole pack of people that think it can’t happen because they think it’s all sciences really cuz is i feel like well yeah there is that is alive will it to act.
Um it’s just like the thing with the internet and this year is that it takes ideas that are attractive with other good ideas are bad ideas and whole communities build up around it there’s no societal like pressure to lake.

[17:35] You know like like an nurse tanya is right it sucks that it’s like on the one hand it really liberated helped alot of different groups lia,
that you know where we’re really pressed or repressed or look down upon while at the same time.
It also lets you know the lack of community work that take it to far yeah and there’s no late voice of reason amongst them because they’re all wackos yeah there’s no appealing to authority anymore because everybody’s on an equal footing as far as data yeah information yeah.
It’s kinda funny but not.
And it’s like a terrifying black beer dystopia kind of thing and but he hears lloyds quote here on the rest of a solar storm for.

[18:21] Like a future carrington event.

[18:23] The total us population and at risk of an extended power outage from a carrington level storm is between twenty to forty million.
The generations with generations of sixteen days to one to two years the duration of the outer just will largely depend on the availability availability of spare replacement transformers,
if new transformers need to be ordered the lead time will likely be a minimum of five months.
The total economic cost for such a scenario is estimated at between point six,
and two point six trillion us dollars i have problem with that number.
I think they should a said between six billion to two point six trillion dollars no billion is too low.

[19:11] Point six is billy and so that be six hundred billion.

[19:17] Yeah so states of the nations and he doesn’t math so they just wanted to stick with that.
My dad lives in sa ration them even said anything to your mom i think.
My favorite part of this not my favorite ima claim i’m really worried about this whole thing i think it’s the new exciting i really do,
just because it is so interesting but you you’re like the people who are who like when the purge was it from into the purge universe would just like,
alright alright alright let’s happy but a lot i guess though one of them was the one that happened in two thousand twelve and it was a caring can level of and that was that was going to hit earth,
except it missed us by like i think was like seven days or nine days or guess about that what a measurement of lake arrow.
They are sweet yeah make a distance from earth with your soul i thought that was really fascinating that we were that close to having a caring to level of n two thousand twelve but it never even hess so i fit i think that just purveyor.

[20:26] Furthers the down.
The myth about it like that we only and think that this could happen because eighteen fifty ml of vacuum does anybody live in a female like they can’t tell us yellowed how are we gonna,
know for sure we’re basically their grand going other great great grandkids and yeah we’re reading a story is nothing and it’s bullshit that crazy they don’t know their talking about people are so dumb eighteen fifty nine and then you know but sounds like no you guys this
this could legit happen eric said bullshit you know but then it it could have happened in two thousand twelve.
But now it’s like back on a different cycle i guess that was the thing but every hundred fifty years is that what a big event can happen is that kinda how the.
The lake forecast is it’s and it’s geologic kind of stuff which means that.
But in a geology professor one time was like whatever they’re predicting like earthquakes volcano eruptions or something like that he’s always like it was given estimate and he’s like it when its geology,
always at plus or minus one million years this is so is so when they though they didn’t say that this report right when they’re saying that one of these events can happen around.
Once every hundred and fifty years are so right or a hundred years are some of them were saying it’s like when you put my geology professor just like.

[21:45] We’ve been like yeah pilot because we’re looking at like the history of the solar system by there’s like huge variation in every hundred years kind of ray thing.
The and you know it just like one little decimal point to variation that seems you know minuscule in the geologic terms could be like.
The entire history of western civilization is this little point two if all he have a.
Yeah so i just thought that was a super bass needed that because it missed us so bad people probably that’s logo it and its never gonna happen or it didn’t happen you know they means like no he’s gonna take it as seriously as they should,
and in my research i did find at least one you tube or who were.
Is super convinced that of the caring ten lie that the carrington event is not really a thing that happened.
And he had this dictionary from eighteen sixties.
That didn’t mention the solar storm and so that was his like primary source that.

[22:46] It’s like well they didn’t mention it so it’s like so clearly is is the thing that they’ve made up recently.
Try trophy for the peas or something like that i will literally has had an encyclopedia that was written in like the nineteen sixties and according to my encyclopaedia.
Jfk was still live and so was martin luther king jr sellers lake,
i have really hard time doing book reports not like i live my life according to that particular one you now then my whole world be rocky knoll true so i mean if he’s just going up to something published and,
you’re eating sixty yell well it happened in eighteen fifty nine el,
hey kitchen took a lot longer logic is really really dumb as for the album.

[23:30] And then is like we’ll maybe there aren’t that many primary sources but no in about two seconds is like,
oh here’s the like actual clipping from the new york times re heat from you know like the day it happened and report all the country and it and it’s not like it’s just the us and it’s not like
so like a conspiracy theory would have to use all of the us and england who but didn’t like each other at the time radio that they were both like in cahoots is like.
Yeah yeah who is printer unable first no okay so we’re good he’s gotta be real that is in
yeah thank goodness is that something we should always cover this show is like did this thing get released a promo going to and yeah fs level sorrell especially this chapter of the summer easter gm really annoying and pisses been
five been a pickup and a,
emily is being controlled by the store in like as like talking about we realize that the huge folks ninety five in got your that will happen individually in the researching and stuff hopefully it might be we pull the.

[24:33] Know if i hit that i don’t think it pull the topic i wanna tell the story of that’s click one thing and it was yeah well that’s absolutely goddamn it the.

[24:44] There may sitting topic so continuing with gallons of solar storms what what do you guys think and mean.

[24:54] Set on it you see error using to be a pain of the opinion that.
Yeah that would be that big of a deal nobody really used it i just wanna see like how is not me,
that would be me i know i would suffer i would absolutely suffer as i it really love air conditioning and ice if it happened during the summer have you so pissed,
believe winter time and like i think i can handle it be in ways but be using genuinely concerned about me what ima like be that bad because they,
honey no laying in gonna be so bad people are going to die and was like yeah like how bad will it enters exit a coworker that.
There’s talk about this topic with and he was very like.
No we almost had one in twenty coffees actually the one that put me on to the weights and.

[25:50] You know he’s just like now they have the near missing twenty twelve and it did direct hit this one to satellite or whatever it or buy it and it had like nine like bugs are errors in it for a little bit but then it bounced back it was always okay yeah.
And so he is argument is that if it did happen if the current events that happened merciless storm of that size.

[26:12] It become like it was a power outage for like four hours in new york today or something you know i called be a very like,
a brown out yet be more like cats yeah i was in the accident scene that i suppose that’s probably just as likely if not more likely that it’ll be like.

[26:28] If it does happen to be more like a mild inconvenience or like rates isolated regional thing and lois paper really got some fascinating stuff about like
the different soils in north america lol are yeah and how that affects a solar storm white lady impacts year how impacts.
You know what’s happening on the ground and talked about those ne is particularly vulnerable because of it so real combined with the fact that it’s coastal
share and so it’s like between those two factors are lock and activities pray air plus it has the all this transformers north america that’s why they think its,
the balls fuller region so i transformers for a second.
In millville re not that train rochell missed calls and interactions as you sell
so there’s have your house transformers we need haley time order of a minimum of five months that okay but if the majority of the of the of the public is employed via electronics you know bait busily do all of our business
yeah electronically now so basically we’re unemployed we’re now employee will people who could be working on the transformers and therefore maybe speed up production time with the youth,
amanda it would work the exact opposite.

[27:45] Sir like you can’t display due to build a transformer to build a transformer to live in new.
Which manual people okay so you have the building transformers for twenty some years you bring in a class of people.
The train then get kinda like rough cast on the do we out the idiots and then you put those people to work but that’s how i have a mansion this would like.
I live in a utopia so that
what time you nations production why i why why could some people be unplayable to buster building new transformers really bring some people on
the higher the while or nerves are hiring senior,
you’re a civilian conservation score model worse like it doesn’t take all this programmers and everyone out of the
office buildings are empty out well be in the streets or in our cars and transformers why i.

[28:46] I think that would be an excellent solution and that we should archer training on how to build transformers i meant.
I’m cool i will learn how to do tricks or treats you the save the human that you and.
I’m excited seems to be a comic book.
Is preparing genesee like world i’m trying to think what percentage of people like actually just know how to build a transformer leg.
The people who built transformers first start there.
Bosses probably a can i people may be the like are around them like spouses and kids or whatever because they hear about,
how transforms are potentially build the company page about your job for a new to think so until put the thing in the thing and that didn’t work and not hurting bro i could do that
what were gonna hire you in a sentence of eight you know you probably have a rough idea what your parents did for a living in media little that are like how did you some other things other guy.

[29:47] Any of really like light idea what is love like everyday my life and i can make one i know a lot about it but i could make one you just figure it out.
Tell me the latest news since it’s not just like figuring out how to make the transformer you need like.
A journeyman machinist so like create the metal and the rare earth,
you know materials have to be shipped in from where ever those geisha hypothesize and you absolutely know i missed your i know transformers yeah,
contain rare earth metals okay okay affect their yeah i know crazy that needs yup i do know that it would require a lot of metal machining,
and heavy industrial fabricating and stuff like that i which are not things you can just sit someone down there for a keyboard and machine and have them pop bottle that’s like.
Get all there’s as much are,
is there is that i totally believe it to metal work i’m still optimistic that i think we can work out something oh i think we work and i just think that
i’m with lois that would just like it would be pretty catastrophic and you have lol yeah trillions of damage and it’s,
i i don’t i don’t see a caring ten events ending civilization,
you know me no not by a long shot no definitely not just with soc and would kill people if if would kill and people fishing laughing i said they will it with killing people on that say no that was more like.

[31:17] Demented legs mall ask you to choose that i think i and ah i’m i’m hopelessly optimistic about a lot of things so low i like the optimism guess.
I think you’d be more efficient if each person just.

[31:36] Makes their own solar power wind energy and trying to actually build yes i totally think so too.

[31:44] Yeah and that’s one of the things that down the road,
as are you know if our power grades were to become more decentralized would be much less vulnerable to this so was things i’m wondering oak okay so like electrical grids everything win the cancun of happened.
Like the quality of wire essentially those pro like just a thick gauge copper wire yes likely so wonder.
Like i don’t really know in about wire likes for details and current smallest of how much water age revolted went through those cables compared to wire and we have now with a thicker wire hold up better which is in what would.
But with the amount of wire also compensate for that and kind of distance it the amount of power going through is that way doesn’t affected as much.
You have to think about that the mantel might how much that the metal connect to the great white you can handle as it is a telephone telegraph wire.
Back in the old days would be a thick them number wire yeah more than it needed to be cuz back then copper was innocent quite as expensive and rare as it is right now and.

[32:54] Yeah and it seems to be it seems to be bigger things are more vulnerable so that’s why.
In the northeast that there’s lots of transmissions lol transmission lines yeah it between transformers and substations and stuff like that and this actual sources of electricity.
And so those large lines seem to be wide what would pick up.
Ooh okay trapped what are you laughing about old i tried holding both this is pri pri recording,
we’re talking about the chicken sale above singly but the thumb on the overhead at the demon voice when you through at the bubble that’s what i heard i feel like this is what like demonic on telling me about these transformers and the cables.

[33:41] Someone over transformer it’s like it is a git me.
In men or them but i got that out because five thousand out of trying not crackable having on the mike but you better now holes in teens i’m good no medical.

[34:00] I’m getting sick i feel like we need to print up some volunteer for the transformer core teachers yes have a picture of like a cartoon transformer with a smiley face yeah i get a little fallout eh yeah aloe inspired nine.
Guess filing their illustrate exactly is the grunge effect will be totally different and you’d in reverse.

[34:22] Stop giving away my secret of,
what’s funny because of the very beginning we read it will open quote talking about how the sun with dejected these flares and also the stuff from the amis your can protect us started suddenly job for space force honestly likely that count as from this.
That’s not it but that wouldn’t even be there job,
you don’t know what is like gone space and like i would like to get a sheet metal shields yeah was gonna shoot the sun while skeet shooting in stops,
yes until it gets rida right gonna be a combination of leg that big dome from the simpsons movie and like,
roman soldiers with the big shield there are any floating out there jet packs creating one big,
aluminum she which is more freight because they don’t actually of oxygen mask is a dress like roman soldier so now all available much of dead bodies floating independently with little legs how jillian like cup coming in on that bullshit is that enough
what are these people about what you think of dope the cape is gonna look though with no crab legs him in flown so majestically.
Will be kinda conflict and there’s a whole thing with the flag that they put on the moon and like white waves and waves of the wire in it to like all that up and stuff like that keeps behave very strangely and in a vacuum.

[35:45] Anyway fasten the yeah yeah we’re not the source so here to talk about,
where we did not sow violence which was survival supplies they suggest or share ira so you’re here are some survival tips from the man and the internet,
on things that you know you should never have for any kind of emergency but especially like carry to events taking urgency.
So flashlights which are called torches fire friends over the uk.

[36:15] Hello there’s no and in the book the be like the brother torches closer was like these people live got in flashlights,
get the torch batteries what’s your tortuga better oh gas i have always like that also i totally at.
A good supply fresh batteries candles long burning ones in glass.
Lighters or matches propane or kerosene lanterns with fuel fuel for your generator if you have one cat land has to say.
To the listed have generator as fuel for generator has a step nine is to be like next we’re gonna go take the general sees your neighbors got dark okay soul when we had that ice storm back in two thousand
well for two thousand thirteen and.

[37:06] The re hiring of the tennessee st paul’s print was effective pretty badly will our area we were without power for like five days,
and there was some asshole and i have no problem saying is there some asshole in our neighborhood who had generator and was clearly powering his house do the generator.
This son of a bitch has bucking christmas lights on.
Is there any word.
You’re late you are so slight,
first of all it is april and your christmas look it on in
apr of half of the baby jesus fuck group of those who are losing our from you yes we had an ice storm in april,
if they do we can million like a really bad bike storm in april and this one has like a just a masseuse firm it knocked out from the tree the power in that are there in his.

[38:09] Neighbor of mine was like running his cracking christmas lights for his goddamn generator,
all day and all night sister about how you got your generator by using that neighbor all that yes so it was like the curtain take that motivated us to get our own generator of course we got it.
After we got our power back radio just in case but with actually used on sets and stuff since then,
oh nice gas so that kind handy cut to admit that guy i wanted to like,
he’s moved out since but is it like the man why sink to this level outside because he can’t miracle right it would make sense if he was using it laid in his house for like light,
lighting panel of
yeah like not is look up to the blade that like outside for decorative purposes lady are you trying to prove here will it kinda during the same ice storm i was actually at grand falls casino that’s rose working he
and it’s kinda in the maintenance department and is always interesting driving there because rena that little town in between here and what they say they they had power for like three weeks,
those years after that long but the casinos actually ran by a generator that they have and it went through about six hundred.
Things like six hundred gallons of diesel every three days she sees us as a three gallon tank that come fill about every other day day and a half yet like that.

[39:34] But we stay open for,
people and am again stanley if you shouldn’t have to casino how much juice you guys are be saving yeah i really like the pools over and the hot but i still hundred is so i know where i’m going in the,
yeah grandpa because actually grand falls,
is running its own grated to sell standard to have their own water purification their own geothermal young.

[39:59] Based the will what a crap they could still operate fully functional nice i work at a place like that yep that’s prickly functional yeah and even had lake,
chick fillet and he’s a women all is like the like restaurants inside inside this office building on a mcdonald’s.
But yeah that’s you me a starbucks in the us dentist office doctors office and mean it was it was yeah it was intense.

[40:24] So yeah so generator engine as you earlier and then water,
keeping at least five gallons of the container like in your garage or like you guys were talking about the water heater to think my family is set was like
get a feel your bathtubs as soon as the power goes out or in the make a huge like water bladder for that that fits specifically intel that you can fill.

[40:50] From what i hear no lol just from the lines little keeping her for a while for it for awhile you’ll have water because it pump how it maintains it is it puts it up and water tower that puts it down so.
Basically use it while you got it first cursor it rains exactly,
what you this early wrote on the document i keep it was five gallons in a container in the garage that you were that pima.
That was the mind is mixed list of email and then other stuff if only it as an excuse this stop me.
How is that people order micromanagement read yourself the hallway that’s all you have to leave as curious and i’m on your freely were married,
so okay so the next thing is battery powered real we’ve talked about batteries a couple times,
well the solar flare being sexually wireless would it not affect batteries and the lady are not.

[41:46] Hear me on this yeah theoretically they’re not big enough to.
Conduct okay that the actual like radio waves at the radio to actually create the
like in the air current guys that’s why the transformer lines are the big threat is because the surf like a lightning rod yeah like giant lightning rod got his phone lines work that cell phone actual telephone lines work.
Unclear cuz.

[42:16] Where are we graph lines alam bait graph plans were working then have to battery power every thing now it is lionel were land lines,
pree everyone switching them to digital in the last two years gas,
now no shoes that’ll do he get ahold of anybody i wanted to cuz that we as slim yeah of the stars as their address i have a land line but it but yeah it when their land line.
At some distribution center that’s like with them in the main hall,
it’s probably gets converted to digital now yes that’s the way a lot of them of phone actually not because my husbands grandparents were forced by the phone company,
to change their type of phone because they were switching to dissolve and they flat out refuse to buy it,
phone that was compatible with the phone company so the phone company gave them of what it’s like for the love of god gas so.
While the from the heart rate going to force us to buy a new phone but they’re old so whatever.

[43:21] Does the ex we got canned and dry food for enough for several days at least which like a sees the bare minimum,
and i think a week is like a healthy normal like what human being keeps on the floor for about like three months worth of and was your in a place with harsh winters like my grandparents in of hat like food stocked up for.
For months and months and their seller and stuff like that and my parents would have like a good food stash ins are not stash but freezers will suffer mike still do a cat fact half of the times to live like a freezer full of beef.
Yes they’re gonna eat real quick or no if it if it’s in the winter time they give to call good call.

[44:05] And then they can just pick up several smoke houses and stuff so they could like smoking preserve a lot of it there’s actually a way you can can meet were freezes its own juices and then it’ll last for like six to eight months just on a shelf.
I believe that so let’s see.

[44:24] Set we can hole up at home food for your pets are other animals can think about those fur babies it if you put your candle or lantern in front of a mirror.
You almost double the light you get from is it bad that as soon as i saw that what my brain was thinking he put the cannon for the mere
that’s how you can summon bloody mary and noelle different episode accents funny cuz i saw that lands at all that’s exactly what i did when we had a storm goes by have a little nears i like put the candles on top of the mirrors and dominic was like a lake,
yeah again that’s how light works weirdo like going to reflect officer this.

[45:02] So yeah that’s that’s all i’ve got on the carrington event but i was stink this is an interesting one cuz there’s no,
there’s no leaks i fight her normal to this this is a thing that happened gas and a thing that can happen again so so do you know or has there been anything documented about.
A person physically feeling the effects of a solar flare like that nope.

[45:29] You don’t that that if you were just a human and how many tack or anything around the thing you’re gonna notice is really spectacular aurora borealis all over the earth and like.
In the crater lake in the tropics will see aurora borealis and you know the kind words that come in i wanna see the and then.

[45:48] You know here comes the now dystopia is not a test of and yeah.

[45:55] Something that cuz like they said that you know there in like new york and they can,
or is there profits in the new york times for the report was from boston that they could sit outside at one am and re read a newspaper home her was like are summers here,
when i am another account to that some of the birds actually woke up and some guy was like bad about the birds being of so he shot and killed a couple all because he didn’t want them jerking because his friend asleep or whatever.

[46:24] And its newspaper worded unfortunately when you have birds but not the monitor when i switch up kittens lol actually care of all those cunts reading name lemon is leave out the fact there birds hell now
look i think they would,
our workers like a bird i think that’s what the article said p stocking tinted don’t make it home the caption on the leaves is pete docking ten stocks to.
Oh yeah so howard howard system cool that’s a cool event yeah we keeping like
so that’s cool where were very late fans like sew the millions dead and trillions of dollars in damage is cool what’s what adds to what does money matter at that point in time because of like the previous like
yeah spend at least and the free f hopefully so that’s cool that’s my only hope is in a.
I’m just like please just knew the student loans and pay down those so what is this i’m sure you can answer this to twelve questions that probably nobody can answer.

[47:28] What is the speed of a solar storm like.

[47:31] If somebody is physically watching for all times how long would he and the heads up that we have it varies from.
The fastest it’s going to be is we will have like.

[47:45] Eight to ten min warning and that’s it nothing ham.
Cuz it takes eight minutes for daylight travel from the earth the sun so that the really powerful really fast.
Traction will send it can vary anywhere between that and forty five minutes okay so in eight minutes to unplugged all of your stuff so doesn’t get damaged cheese is.
Then if it’s that was there not even in a warm up and all of these did you manually try to get that warning you could it would you lily could i get out battery know what about you really like this is.

[48:22] And if they have eulogy cut off your and and i don’t know cuz like phone services are pretty good about warning about stuff like that was,
turn on the missile warning that was fake that people got over their phones not yo lie and her in like gas when emergency broadcast system but they still electricity.
Right but they have rent and the season backups to the emergency broadcast is rated if stuff is really be taken out of the source and the communication wires and it has a cut out yet,
but you know what can happen right at the message and have them in my pocket right so some most people might get that message over their cell phones today and then you now but i think the politics and how people are so,
play in the air we get caught up in the politics of it and nobody would get the message because every light will still not like you that like just do you know it,
i do not have a lot of confidence in the unity of international unity right now to come together on something like this up just like.
This is not have any natural disasters or anything for that see the next flight.

[49:28] Three years or so that be really great blog while i can be like oh yeah had notification what was that.
Oh yea powers out you got a brick what ever correct will see idle.
I think it was but i don’t know for sure because it’s can like a battery is where it’s like so small in receiver energy from ray church so we need to buy a whole bunch of like mobile charging devices.

[49:56] Those who communicate with why you leave your name and i go crazy.

[50:01] That’s true that’s true yeah and i don’t know wonder know he would have cell service salmon and when he put up a wife icing off your phone that’s
well how much weed america bands together to create a chain of live in so how often
nothing is it like during like a power out is it like you try to use your device and i go on the inner summer do do something that requires electricity like son of a
bitch why you niggas like you does go through natural hose window and the power goes out when my tv kick settlement always go lab job a lawyer and that’s down still doesn’t do anything for me that’s like seals be three days to a week,
somebody gets forcibly unplugged that they start their yeah not miss it and be like,
we got a it like experience my real life again and stuff right.

[50:54] But i got it i hope nothing comes along and forces us to experience real life cuz i really like my air conditioning in
all my games on steam and my podcasts and yeah so uncomfortable or mad but i really do wanna be put into a survival situation kennedy to.

[51:11] Two too much astray i’ve read too much astray it back okay enjoy that shit i got your back oh i can get my back on it i do don’t let money,
being like of real estate and being like no it’s not gonna be pretty no way that’s gonna be terrifying make you think that i wouldn’t know what i was doing what his email is about what i’ve been rolling,
but i know enough to be shit leslie terrified of it let sprint buy that’s actually is really scary thing here and.

[51:42] Truthfully there’s a really cool tv show use to watch where basely to the group of people and put them in a warehouse my downtown la colony
yeah that’s was a mri show i love that one of the things i learned from that blew my mind i could probably never recreate is when they be purified water off me to battery is always one as you like that it was that called like i can’t remember
what was batteries and then it was the base of it or cool yeah they put electrical charge to the water in a filter the water,
so it was like in icing were something mrs alice is married to.
Was something i on some yeah it was waters that kills all the microsoft stuff that it and the filtered it through like a gigantic thing to fight back of her car cold and other stuff and then work charcoal
set up a time to get to the bar it just purify water issues with me and it has drums they found in that warehouse equipment wasn’t amazing show really amazing show i think the period of like sciences to like just like survival people to like,
professor lee like this to come together and like the baseless commissioner and they do like a whole psychological explanation,
how late it takes so many days from being a snare to actually feel like to living it and how are things to people and it been in it for so long they feel like it has become that.

[53:03] Well i mean panicky but it was like really show where survivors like that where they give the missions one point,
they had we have moved the story thing having the baby they had at the nearest but it was clever the way they did it where,
like the brown in traders mall and stay but they have to figure out of they were traitors readers yes i have always trusted the guy open the gate of the men to be the jet.

[53:30] I watched one and that they got raided know their food storage is taking shed that’s right cuz the there’s one where they take their the ticket rated somebody punched a hole through the van yeah it’s
got out their food yeah because they went on scavenge in there’s like three people left that can do anything by themselves so they defaced will and take it
yeah because like days like these colonies were making like.
Primitive makeshift weapons like they made a flame thrower and like these actors who were the raiders were getting it attacks lately just as it was a really good show
yeah with that look on netflix or who early i usually check if it’s still on netflix it’s not on netflix anymore i usually watch it every new show called colony and it’s not the same in birmingham
but it was very good care of what originated off of was it it was like learning channel i think history or something some,
so it was that is discount was from the discovery family of at work that thing is amazing so def look that up,
yeah absolutely there is there one with the main does there was one series i watch called,
kids incorporated a thinker kids at usa are around it basically
keep nation isn’t you so basically what is a good tv show burnley you are yeah i was recently they brought all these kids together create the dreams was from seven was the youngest and i think.

[54:52] Well was the oldest and the perm all together in like this pioneer type colony,
and they were like we wanna see what it would be like if kids ran the world and as i always frequent the first day they got no instruction,
and the kid actually kinda like
okay like will make dinner with these that you know how do you know what i could you know how to cook and accounted aspirant question is if you are kids there who are the older ones that count rallying together and like
trying to get things figured out it as a homeless is really cool just to see like howell they would drop things names actually work really well but then of course you know
reality tv producers act available go don’t go through again wasn’t it controversial was so hunter version cuz yeah and it was just like the government always late tasks and competition that was the monetary western side,
the pain of the parents that having the kids live through this all yeah that’s you,
lol jacket survivor lawson’s a in order to yeah it was it was pretty i remember that.

[55:56] You know it’s like one it was ratings failed but to the second thing was like,
it got super expensive just from a legal and liability and like bad press standpoint that going,
but the one thing i just i don’t like that the whole point was that there was no money thinking of earthquake apis orders um i’ve and then find them the adult of course have to step in and it
when you move the story forward and never got system is like you a whole the whole point six mins and see how kids would run things when they need to make money with the not you know if however out,
as i can remember the first or second freakonomics book but if you ready to one of those,
there’s these gibbons or whatever that they studied cassette their social groups are a lot like humans celiac and any eight laboratory they introduced,
a money system that was like this is worth so many grapes on the top the eight sat and or that little given that and eventually,
it got to the point that.

[56:57] There was like pimping and prostitution and like organized crime and stuff like that like people
they were like people who were trying like scam the system insert giving humans that were ask him he got so incredibly complex that the f assists that monitor the study force them to stop.

[57:18] And so and then it and then that ended up being worse cuz i totally broke part a little given society and have like a devil of a time getting them to like reform any kind of social groups and stuff all over my god how big is a given.
And we were talking like little monkeys i think i should not would you do.
My whole whole person but then it is your ankle my dad never heard of it actually like one chapter three
that those books are amazing but that’s only like one chapter different way every chapters of story saying i need i need that plain white one one chapter is that this teacher that sits down in this,
with this administrator in boston and he’s just like you you cheated on your you know no kids left no child left behind tests.
You did really good cover enough but i if you don’t mind this professor from boston and here with the department of education i developed an algorithm that proves that.

[58:17] She yeah,
and that your numbers are not random all of this like very complex algorithm to rule out that clearly zr like a human being still these and
and i can prove it mathematically and your fire oh that’s all the like chapter two begins is without whole story yeah him and this calculus professor that like that came up with the system so that you can immediately look at test scores and.
And figure out if they were doctored at all or not lol without even knowing the students that’s incredible.

[58:52] Is it it’s freaking me this for so this is been macabre more shamelessly plugs for economics is,
yes an interesting chapter in the beginning it’s been so long since we’ve recorded
sorry listener’s get your five hundred l figured out from the whole like title of the house while i was good point there smart and what comes after seven and before nine yeah yes is a new merit saying yes,
yeah and there is not good is areas lots of,
yeah losses of any yeah so but we did graph i think we’re going to rapid and if you don’t hear from us on chapter nine happy came to new then yeah happy clearing filament,
who see around the verifier.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 7 Chung Ling Soo aka William Robinson

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 7 Chung Ling Soo aka William Robinson

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Chung Ling Soo was the stage name of the American magician William Ellsworth Robinson, who is mostly remembered today for his death after a bullet catch trick went wrong.



Steinmeyer, Jim, The Glorious Deception: The Double Life of William Robinson, aka Chunk Ling Soo, the “Marvelous Chinese Conjurer.” New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, 2005.


Machine Transcript

[0:29] Hey everybody welcome to my crab room wired chapter seven chung ling see you aka william robinson.
Sordid tale of magic and deception man i love this guy he’s such a it’s such a crazy story.
Cuz he’s like the hype so you wanna do you have anything you wanna go into further usually do the history but.
You know you really really like this guy i i will this fill in some gaps for,
of those but go ahead and i will it so i first heard about this guy when i was watching this program on netflix called mysteries at the museum and pretty sure it’s on regular tv but i don’t have regular tv ages have not,
anyways that’s it engine but this,
these are talking about this poster and about how it’s this use those like magician from the east is from a laser chinese trainer whatever and he doesn’t speak any english and his shows are like super mysterious and,
he had like this this great following in the united states his people are so intrigue.
And the fact that he never one spoke english at all and so on his death was really mysterious because he was shot and killed during one of his shows and.

[1:44] So after he so what happens is i’m he does is bullet trick where he suppose to catch this bullet as its being as a,
god is being fired at him and he’s very successful with this trick everybody love seeing the strip this is like the star part of the show well he get shot.
Alice and he says oh dear god something went wrong and now that is all it the key speaks english and collapses and then they recently and the show minions of don’t like a few hours later welcome to find out the,
the person who shot him was his assistant and she always shot him during his shows that this is part of their act so she should some with the gun the gun actually fires,
the ball is spotify are going but actually fires the book he loads them up because you always load the gun you always load the gun with a bullet for audiences purposes but really it’s just firing up like that that a secret chamber of at second chamber in that gun,
and so the bullet fires offshoots and he is shop for the chess team that the angle now the investigators are like okay lady get better start talking and she is,
so then he find out that he’s actually american his actual name is william robinson he’s not asian and even if he cut his hair he grew allergy late,
call mike nine years to look as asian as possible so people like surprised they found out that he wasn’t on chinese and he even had chinese interpreter with him while he was kinda speak like broken chinese,
but and like there pers do don’t chinese it also that it’s that was our thing my finger in the door about that quarterback is that.

[3:15] So you give them a chinese translator he had a japanese man who is basically.
Would pretend to like interpret and understand what this is a beastly easyjet fresh yeah and then.
The japanese are that the court and cook chinese translator the chinese translator this japanese guy would come up with,
he like something like he says he’s very honored by the skin in heaven when he translate something for john we.
Cora called the were just speaking japanese to m and heat not like he knew what that meant but heater the english me what that meant exactly plays the following as such a beautiful thing anyways so,
they fully investigate disassemble turned up the assistant is his,
is his wife aka first mistress and that he actually has another mister so much younger when you give birth to a child has recently.
So now it’s like okay why did you shoot and kill your husband and she’s like i did and so they had investigate turns out the gun was actually on the hit something they had clean the gun.
Very well in between shows and enough gunpowder had.
Fill up and the chamber earth so then when she did fire it it actually fired off the life bullet foot and it’s you know telling him.
Made in the whole thing is a freak accident but what old wild ride in my little while blake.
Scenario to be like your at the show anything to stay lit pulley on asian all this and he’s just ago dear god you like so much what’s and then all my dad break up so.

[4:58] So it’s funny you bring up his relationship cuz is wearing me everything about this guy is just like you know.

[5:05] Honestly i forgot the whole part about he died doing a bullet catch is this like the least interesting thing about has and that’s amazing story in it self repeat,
he was actually the on the fourth magician never die doing the bullet catch,
oh wow yeah the first person ever dating bullock is actually female magician like the eighteen hundreds oh yeah.

[5:27] James was like the second third actually have a can i can tell you names if you’d like to known if i was okay cool.
So the first person who did it was madame de lewinsky and she died and eighteen twenty whole way back to learn poisoning,
oh and a bullet catch right bullet mess loss sir arnold buck and eighteen forty.
Professor adam epstein in eighteen sixty nine and an ar channeling sewanee and nineteen eighteen,
it’s so interesting the strongly about like twenty till eight forty years you have part like it’s always like an even numbered amani years,
it’s like the next generation like reader on i gotta go for and i got a smart ass holes ray ray yeah which if you watched.
The illusionist yeah okay or no no.
The prestige is the one that has the the people were talk about the bullet catch okay what were notes i was thinking of.

[6:31] Makes the hue diem movie that came out on history channel that because actually load the gun has assistant does but it shows that the they use a steel bullet,
and so the rod it used to pack the watering everything had a magnum would actually reach for access to your ball oh cool so is actually real gun really loaded the andrea drop it in and when they do.
Plunger added extract the ball is again it was it make sense.
And so there’s been a lot of different variations and i’m sure it’s lot of people being like oh this guy dad he did this with alex di this way for a direct phone light bringing out of.

[7:10] The prestige the i’m so that was super interesting thing you about how bullet catches are like super dangerous and deadly and stuff yeah the whole like,
that’s actually a thing that happened were young were you jackman shows up for the bullet catch yeah and am huge magicians are like i don’t like doing it cuz it’s super dangerous but it’s like good money cuz people like.
No people i doing it right now.
Switch to the movie political point or something in that he put something hard yeah in the chamber after the whole magnet pulling the yet lol okay so was that movie that he did magnet yup okay.

[7:47] Gotcha yeah it’s funny though because i even david blaine does the bullet catch now.
Yeah done it was lynching mass of you have seen the look it up where he actually has like a mouth piece design for his mouth.
With the steel cup so he puts in there.
And they don’t like high speed slow motion video of a twenty two rifle liptak rifle it’s super accurate ipod shoot and you should the slow motion bullet going into the cup and the cup like.
Get wage in the back of his throat actually catches the bullet.

[8:21] So pain in from of pen and teller went on this huge tangent basically.
Sing every bad name of david blaine possible saying how dare you.
Do the stunt because you’re gonna have a whole new generation one to try it with that are not freight you have just sold this to the real stuff to start ordering of the pen and teller.
Are there claim to fame is there very good bullet catch trick your brain but if you don’t watch it like that will it fly in slow right exactly so he has a whole science team of high speed cameras were pan teller performance.
But they have like extremely high disclaimer saying it’s just magic in go after david blaine like blew up because of this they basically came out and said ours is just a trick.
As we’re david blaine is trying to pull offices are real.
Prudence science proving dangerous that makes me so nervous so i don’t know diddly actually really doesn’t the way the share,
shown in his series in like the slow motion like i believe that would be share but i don’t know for sure that dominic said that he thought he had,
but basically shot himself in the face and like broken some,
what will the first time he did it the dentist to me the mouth piece for him didn’t make it strong enough,
oh the mouthpiece actually busted net from the cup got large like for the back of his throat okay so that is hundred roof have some leeks tonsil areas,
and he still did it again is definitely two or three times and he just had his two or where he’s actually gonna do it live on stage is stage three so that if you gonna do it we’re not gonna be in your show.

[10:02] Yeah i could in a publicity stunt to make it seem like us for real only on but at the same time why it makes you wonder like is it real if yeah how much,
with magicians how much is just pure and all is to psychological warfare and yeah yeah you know like the.
Anyone with weak constitutions should be the theater now not as new as it all will hear and the way he makes like son sue and or.
Chun li and hyun up like in the prestige again reversing my only point of data is i.
The part where he has a bunch of bs nothing but blind stay chance rate edge you japanese sees that and assumes that.
That’s totally just like a few make orders a little brilliant gimmick to just have all flying stay chance just to build hype about this later his secrets are so dark it’s of seeker and his crew knows my dad that’s funny.

[11:03] And this is that it’s free com.

[11:09] So we’re happy about his relationship for travelling robinson’s relationships yes it’s soak it digging into that sweet got married.
When he was twenty one he married a sixteen year old named bessie smith in eighteen eighty three has take gross.
What was as shit no kidding but that was the time yet but.
Yeah okay and he had two children we are part their son they’re like the only family super parade option,
what if i’m just listening to.
The guy that doesn’t guarantee that does the podcast lower oh let him put out books yes and i preordered so i just got it today book number two and i was listening to it and.
There was a story in there and when viewing way on that but that was basically like this one children story that you hear you know and like.
Fairy tales always have like dark or jess yet but i do not realize that the dark origin of this particular story and i want to weigh is actually to cover up the fact.

[12:20] The town basically was in trouble and they sold their children based loosely free to join the app and,
so this is the story they came up with the covers for why there were no children and then tower whenever and always telling the next generation eighteen up and stuff yeah yeah flash i didn’t know that i knew i figured it was something dark but i think it was that played,
no it’s like this this was like financial reason it was a financial and you know kind of,
medieval governmental thing because basically the prussian.

[12:55] Are the holy roman emperor basically was like every village to give this many people haven’t even really shitty about is this like.
All so you can either get a volunteer it’ll settle in this new territory with colder that’s enough dangerous disputed border territory lint tray or.
You can pay some money and send children who we will put to work an unsettling and farming in that,
ow many area of interest to look in the phone book you can actually see the surnames because they have you know this is time others right writing it records yes like you could look at the surnames and a whole bunch of these towns in eastern poland have the same.
Names and what are people of that region have like the same last names this town all honestly they sent all their kids to go settle use polenta cheese is.
Lol yeah so he have two kids but with bessie he has some daughter of the sun there is a plan isn’t working out was good it looks awesome into an orphanage which,
was the super weird and then if there’s a time when like people have kids like,
by the dozen i mean really just kind of is either just like just the two kids and they send the other one off especially at san antonio when is how little interest and all that he had no interest in being a father and then as he’s with bessie he is getting a side piece,
who who her name is of i add olivia or something else but not was a gust of it’s on you by olivia.

[14:19] And the start you know hang out eventually him and his actual wife pallet of falling out but they are okay with it.
They never get officially divorced and in the catholic became exactly so then.
Hands of a just a complete mess me to let you see him at handling the are now like together and they’re touring all over the place doing shows and they just referring to themselves as mr mrs robinson,
and they say that they’re married and there was like,
okay is cool like nobody checks it because why would you if there isn’t like is that you’re the internet and always right delicious yeah emily here’s sunny not like anybody google’s our marriages you know any in the house and looked up on my space.
Yeah that’s not what it’s how would be your time with your friend so.
So then as he’s with olivia he doesn’t think that having kids doesn’t have a one kid with her.
If possible an but then eventually you know if they get she gets older and he isn’t getting another side piece but she’s young lake and a leaking or something and i don’t know how he is at this point probably forty something and she,
she has of getting pregnant but she’s all like oh no i’m not going away i’m be super important in your life and you’re gonna help me raise a speedy his life back now what now his wife finds out,
slash fake wife but they didn’t end of getting married i think,
any purchase whole letter thing but anyway so that will i guess i got a raise this kid and then she finds out you know that he has a kid with this other women and then the whole that he is getting shot and killed.

[15:52] So that’s why was super sketchy that he is getting shot by his wife on the.
Nice will live with anything about is that.

[16:04] The the next person actually died from the bullet catch was known as the black wizard of the west phone when i really want that to be my name elevator why was it and dual me and west.
But he was actually murdered by his wife on stage fully oh yeah now,
what is used to wax bullets tho days of the teary from here share of a she switched amount for bullets and an amazing on you now live on stage at the and it,
was because he had mistresses it look in his bag lol even when black was in the west come on the.
Yeah super sketch who know what does magician’s he make on all our is he was a magician use a wizard.
Oh well with your soul different elite totally different via that’s about as interesting other heat to worry with two different magicians are like really popular at the time before he finally went out and made a name for himself as channeling soon as he’s happy to german,
magician first is almost as whole acting from what i read about him it seems like he just.
Basically stole everybody successful material and there’s a guy because of it so that is karma yeah three hots.
Is he yeah i don’t homer the names of two magicians.
But like harry houdini was around at the time and then it and then so like beneficent of that caliber and of that you know fame for the air and he took that one of on they changed his name to like some and i’ll.

[17:34] The first thing you and bye was hop.
Wings to yeah and i was like hes practicing name before he actually perfect is routine yet break in the eighteen ninety nine.
He left the company where he was under the german missionary spaceman stealing lot of secrets from let left that and.
Still another it and sarah’s only reinvented himself is hot wing are hop sing lou a chinese speaking magician he shave his mustache and his hairline and underweight with a long break in the back.
He also use grease paint to change asking telling purchase a costume from china town that’s thats dedication white even that will make life even digresses family to.
Oh yeah it right here pass headed to the deception by becoming a chinese princess anne robinson hire a real chinese gentler fee lune to round out the performance.
I was wondering was gonna do it while using my wake up is that it’s so inappropriate but the.
Eventually province of an invitation from a manager i grows in france to bring hot wings too or hot seem loose re and his true key to europe rotten sold his.
Love is an illusion and collection of books to help finance the trip.
In march of nineteen hundred hop seeing lou appear on the stage for the first time and the show was a disaster who’s match it was slow and deliver at a trick involving.

[19:12] A large pool of water when to ryan which truly makes me think that’s what they were doing for in.
Once again in the next twenty cuz that’s the trick is doing on stage one with a giant bowl water the is carrying yeah with like the whole time.
Oh my gosh so yeah.
So the water went awry and it’s wasn’t cascading into the orchestra pit and drenching all the musicians and their instruments oh jesus despite the opening night miss hat rose manage to convince the theater owner.
To keep up saying lou on the bill for the contract week deducting damages to the fear from a salary that’s fair robson settle into the role and refine the illusions and he felt more confident this hop seeing lose any ever had as it himself.

[19:59] The next stop is to always london they made one major she changed was act.

[20:07] He hated than other basing change was the hated the name hop saying lou and sister that robinson change it does was.
Someone in london hero yes we changed it to chine her okay some chain link foo,
the actual real chinese magician working and the whole family everybody there was gaining popularity in america the timer since robinson was already.
Appropriate foods character by a couple of tricks when i go all the way and it unity zain so robinson became channeling suit of.
Yeah path became seuss mean let’s see.

[20:49] Yeah there was virtually nothing in sue’s acts that was authentically chinese since soon as he was known to the press didn’t speak english.
Even talking to the press was another gimmick of reporter what ask phone are the.
Feeling low and a question which she would repeat to sue in actual chinese soup would respond in chinese sounding go fresh wish,
feeling what translate back into english its was before before it got the japanese translators that’s the one of,
the blew me away was is like oh theres a little use like three different languages going on there butt and they tell grace all know what went on behind thirds are some uses late answering for me all the time and like misspoke,
but not able to correct him like that.
Piss me the fuck yeah disciplinary they think you’d probably rehearse your answers and like having already know what your answers are going to be great yeah.
It has been a very successfully pull it off without,
without chung without the sickly telling robinson being like in all that has happened with coach that is so hello fellow magicians and other performers knew that robinson was channeling sue,
the public embraces tenant accepted the guys along with it soon became such a crowd pleaser this and he was earning five thousand dollars a week with bookings two years in advance than.

[22:10] Five thousand of my life is a nineteen at yeah yeah yeah.
Set have salute lee that’s like podcasting until about the young the exotic cars in the world travel yeah that’s williams the stripper pole here in exactly yeah well that elaborate.
Well i’m and the pool is s twos on it and.

[22:33] It’s all the women i just flipped through this yes sign but that’s the thing we’re podcasters that members of the opposite sex comes later of them so that you make it clean and some of the same sex yup,
but that doesn’t did so that gives you an establishment of.
Reyes as well that mr pulling women during the summer you yeah my not this late,
nice things and paid off student loans will in real life it would be oh okay okay we’re doing a bit of a c this is that avails nation that is very boring if if i if i was,
you know super rich i just be probably sitting in the same place where i am right now i just be like better shoes,
these shoes are comfy hundred to pay my internet bill for a years as are the think about it and nice used car and every full flights all certify premiums using the at and,
there you go on our thing in our pocket when on the,
that’s something my friend to start right wheel is that like if we were to get really rich we wouldn’t.
Like be extravagant we just be like moderately above where we hung out all say that if one of us just get richer to be the one like,
in the light color car as is now living in a trailer park with a lamborghini yeah i can see that i guess we’ll find out of herbal liqueur blessed are.
It’s so that doesn’t make it over the speed ball and i live in nyc on min.

[24:07] Okay so so far thousand dollars a week is what is making noise like a lot of money in that time even now will you now.

[24:17] Some of that okay here here is like.
After that is true grew fourteen people including a new gentler stage manager name frank come out tomorrow who was japanese and he was the one who did the on spoke japanese and english but not chinese so during interviews he would translate for sue,
his own vision in his own version or japanese president thinks chinese sounds.

[24:42] It’s on the race which doesn’t sound very very different from the fake chinese is boss was speaking in that of the reporter c notices nothing was ever written pocket.
Well the interesting that he was able to kind of speak,
chinese we had his chinese score a quote translator cuz like the word to be very similar it all the saying i can’t dial out there when you get into japanese it’s like he still faking the chinese and the other guys i go out all the,
this is close enough that it is this guy crazy.
Okay so in the end and the concert begins in nineteen or for chain link foo keep in mind the real one.
Beget european tour in london and he was getting limited bookings hanukkah’s sues act it kinda sucked up all the money and that was it lol he’s the real one and so all he eats yet.
Booked up for two years and was like no we we seen the real chinese magician all that an ff so flu challenge sue.
Two dual of magic which is something at hogwarts to prove who is the real chinese illusionist foo set the terms.
Yes who’s the real guy that i know i’m reminding myself already keep track of.
He he work when if sue fail to do ten out of twenty of moose tracks.

[26:07] Then if the failed any one of sue’s illusions robinson accepted the challenge.

[26:14] Robertson knew that losing would cost him his career so useless to the help of an old friend for peace in the whole track magician harry houdini agree to teach robertson one of his best illusions.
What’s the article when and more death about that has only hear more about like how do they need garay.
Just like you know i’m sure it’s it in a magazine industry like anything else you meet people in it and a cross paths and you got where you know you np really didn’t.

[26:42] So one day on the okay so it took me a minute to figure out you said free link in half dozen of the chinese guy were talking about the sky.
What is a good that’s all i wanted to give you and ll that point but as of nala be on soon lol because i posted that the.
On the day of the event sue and his entourage arrived in palm.
Small audience consisted of theater managers who were the judges reporters and harry houdini himself after waiting half an hour first competitor to show up.
Sue entertain the crowd with ten success of tricks and was pronounced the winner.
The food in the mission what yeah which i’d like to know more about that story too i think he might’ve been who had winter whatever like.
Maybe you will three abstract or maybe it was another european guy pretending to be a chinese guy is a crap is on me like really this is the first german guy he copy this he has lead me.

[27:46] So yeah from that day forward rough to change the publicity for his performance from the wonderful chinese contrary to the original chinese contractor for hands travis it before the show.
If you put original in the name of caesar not here is usually no sir original things service hilarious nonetheless so.
Yeah and then we get into the whole after twenty years being together awesome path bolster their forties decided to do the right thing so speaking get married in a brief civil ceremony.
In march nineteen or six in england song some nice that the.
Until yeah robinson was still technically married to bessie although he claims to be divorced so his affairs.

[28:37] Make his devotion to pass still vs one of the objects of his affection okay so this is just talking about warfare z had.
Be on path which you know.

[28:47] Sorry if someone cheats on someone else for you that’s actually good indication that they are going to in turn turn around and do it again yeah.
It’s like what makes you special interest rate of rate you sir for the first on the wrist and you can not coming yeah lit up thing you’ll this is almost gets into.

[29:09] I can’t remember his name he calls and was like.
It’s got like franchises in every town of weeks heater fan lease yeah so.
How is your mistresses the mary for the good of the acting create a business partnership pass started receiving a weekly salary for being susi mean.
And all for responsibilities behind the scenes the members of the troop refer to them as mr and mrs sue.

[29:37] And went black for key to visit they call her mrs robinson fees so confuses me a fucking diagram to keep track of the bosses mr since i heard about the.
Wow the family tree has a miss is all.

[29:54] Let c and so promise get permanent residents built a workshop in his house would be tested bill delusions.
After two more children were born robinson spent more time in the workshop and he did with his family surprise surprise.

[30:08] So the me gets the mail tara tino this back to the beginning where we talked about him getting shot on the trip that ended up actually killing him.

[30:17] So chumley to sue incorporated hermans village catching tribute was on act.
Although he performed it very rarely in nineteen eighty he added it to his repertoire for a week of shows near london.
On saturday night he was a guest in a strip there was a guest distressing or well use repairing the guns he mentioned that he didn’t feel well.
Well he stepped out for a moment seuss we’ve got the weapons and put them on the prop table backstage and then the message when are called places.
There you know where this is going gas up.

[30:50] The audience was real that they would be seeing super for the defying the bullets for the end of the show so about ten forty five two volunteers from a distance apart.
Mark the bullets that were to be used as soon as assistance gotta position.
We only after the command to fire sue stay staggered backwards and blood started pouring out of his chest the audience was sure this was part of the act.
And tell sue said in perfect english oh my god something’s happened lower the curtain the curtain dropped.
Play the news reels that’s how of how it would you stick around for that israel will in today’s news juggling tooth died from god and.
Date night yeah let’s see humanity yeah they celebrating the curtain yeah yeah.
I was just sitting there awkwardly either popcorn while the weathers like screaming behind it when you can hear the news consumer news live here that is something he really his email at runner like my cat shopping with a real was it.
We’re mormon yeah has just realizing more but that was mostly seal it to be really wesley really dying exit dying yeah.
Let’s see the coroner’s inquest to at the corners it was path and you reveal the secret of the trick to the jury so that they can understand what happened.
Just explain the truth the triangle of her her husband and the woman he was living with.

[32:25] After testimony by robison and other assistance the corner and again expert and the jury wilson’s death an accident calling it death by misadventure which.
Hell yeah i want that one my my of the toughest like hurry die misadventure.
Fluid is that true foot is very red phones tears were off a cliff in blue yeah that’s.
Is it family guy are so that when the horse is displaying the amish and then knocks the amish guys because of the car explode horses is looking like oh no not now and where you got those.
Good times so that is mr mr and mrs robinson the charm we.
The real c robinson’s yes the me that really the robinson’s the original yeah friend lives with with way way more polygamy yeah what’s.

[33:29] Yeah like this one b two it is it’s an interesting story.

[33:35] Travis and if you need perspective you have on this this whole thing me and is like let’s see.
So how much to get into lake history of magic like with the dishes forgot to know your big booty fan yeah some.
Is saying and magic this summer you does tricks in and there’s a magician okay lol an hour a.
Gets pretty heavy how mant know how to think about that redhead keep going is the business of readers six like a typical of the of the high school kid or whatever checked and his friends and never looks back and does it again,
the magician actually knows the history and origins of everything they do even a simple out how to cut a plane the deck of cards check,
they all have different names and stuff like that and the origins of who created.
And so knowing that stuff is extremely valuable specially start creating trixie need credit the person who does it or your gonna eat to live in the magic community,
that’s and you didn’t make this give credit where credit does he know that the magic community whenever you talk but it sounds like it is looking critically.
Tight-knit group yet really is and we hate each other what the sharkey competitive.

[34:53] It’s not so much competitive there’s alot of big egos magic i know can you believe that like you believe that there seems in place another from peter and like all eyes on the gas yeah that kind of thing.
Set it goes,
it’s you can a lot of them to non really i’m pretty confident yeah pay attention myself and everybody else will kinda feel share share,
but there’s a lot of people out there who copy what other people are doing and then even allow the magic stuff that creators cell.
People will watch the video of teaching how to do it like the mechanics of it.
And not ch you like a routine like the actual presentation and that’s what everybody does.
So every trick is a carbon copy jeddah somebody just doing tricks yes to be a magician is taking this and creating something completely new out of it saying fridays i wanna make something go from a to b and need a bullet to go from one side of the stage.
To the other without actually making a go through the gun check so i know how to do it now how can i disguise it so.
Basically the secret is how to get the bullet out of the gun or how to get that autograph on to another bullet be have somebody signs the ball.
So once you know the basic idea it’s like right now in the real magic is distracting and mr acting the audience from.

[36:15] So that’s where it becomes real secretive like even just recently pro seniors david copperfield was being sued because the however many years ago someone tripped.
Going backstage under the stage during allusion where the audience vanished and david copperfield was pretty much forced to expose the solution that he’s done for thirteen years.
Prove that he was at fault oh.
I really think about that yet and today he’s actually just awarded he won the trial and said the other guy was at fault and everything else that so it doesn’t counter sue for like the walls and come from having reveal of.
I don’t know configures bree will set yeah act like he owns islands,
yeah that wasn’t what happened so basically her i can’t remember exactly how many years it was but some guy when of with a group of people on stage doing a disappearing act where he makes people in the audience disappear share,
the veil comes out he makes them go under the station trap door run to solve the backstage and appear somewhere else so some guy tripped in the process lol.
And now how many years later he saying that he has physical damage she can’t work he has emailed work for have many years but he comes in the court room like he comes in with like assistant slate helping him walk.
Are you cheating me but there’s footage late lawyers and my investigators instead of going out now that this trial has come to surface.

[37:46] Video tv him out walking his dogs is mostly on their performance is so they’re basically doing the acting is.

[37:57] Channeling sued did this actually right say yes i am injured to happen because of this and there like we’ve been doing this routine for thirteen years like there’s no way.
I think i said there’s construction debris down there he’s like no like this is a thirteen year act like raise scripted patter going.

[38:15] Nothing has ever happened rails.
Holy cow yeah i’ll so wind cover feel based was forced to expose that the magic community blue yeah i fat because.
One cup of will try to do a kind of behind closed doors little bit but then like no disease be public information so now.
The whole retreating process happens now than any prove that can happen without the trap door so now of.
The whole next generation magicians gonna say i wanna do the same thing but everybody knows how to do it.
Let’s figure out how to do the different way statue of sebaceous zombie david bowie that there was a replicator exactly.
The one the cool things though that channeling sue actually started out doing is for you read talks about black are delusions yeah that’s really really cool it’s basically like camel and steroids.
Okay under the right lighting.
If you put a black surface on top of another black surface that one together he never know anything about this place the wood is all i see okay so what imagine like a foreground in the back and a middle ground of the same pattern your surface yet.
And in between those two layers somebody can hide and re appear.
I am seriously without your eight with not knowing go because i don’t know just it’s a solid wall right right and so this essentially probably where the next message will go where people actually be on stage the whole time.
Just everybody thinks they disappeared and now this is a make up your.

[39:48] Gone and we have still your shot help you honey isn’t easy but they can near here might not red nothing,
oven vegetable shut up to be so that’s where the real controversy comes in because even though all like.
The tricks are essentially the same.
You can expose your message really without somebody stealing it because there’s always people out there who are gonna do that yeah so when somebody says orders now you check somebody else invented it.
Then it sucks you be like okay do i just sit here and be quiet or do i say no i do it differently the prove it this is how i do it.
Just because he get the same results doesn’t mean it’s the same trick that chef and that’s where a lot of the hose and kinda.

[40:33] Arguing goes on the magic community can you haven’t magic trick penn and teller.
Are the first one will tell is the first one to officially do it impact the exact same thing copperfield style somebody took him to court for stealing trick.

[40:49] I think teller actually took the this other person to court for stealing trick.
And he is the first and only magician never win as intellectual property toning this and had to prove like using place seven year trial and tell your would not back down peasley amount of god i can’t even imagine.

[41:08] Yeah okay for him i mean signals guns annoying like no you still my are yeah dario yeah center do you have any like tricks that they are you just.
But what kind without you follow you know i mean there’s a few things what things i really like to buy a trick,
you are a lot of times you’ll get like the special little device who would ever tell you complex these things,
and i don’t read instructions or the wash city tour like okay what does this do does it does something cool share share incident basically it’s line easy.
Your own when you don’t have a template yeah phone.
But then again there’s the gray areas like a ice cream desert made in somebody’s doing it right over here but no,
was the same will it will not tell you my way and she is now you never know if you have the first original,
please sir sir until i go famous and doing a worldwide for ten years then somebody comes out that we’ve been doing that for we just will just back and i can’t find.
Probably ex they’ve been doing it for ten years it’s time to retire and and still can i ask how much money do you have invested in all of your tricks,
you know okay so here’s the trouble with magic not only do we talk and not talk about are messages but even when you buy it you don’t know what you’re getting.
Say sorry buying a college book saying you’re gonna learn how to do.
And then you get that i don’t really wanna do it that way sare so the new scrapbooking no doing all count as a preview exactly see you basically by like blind buying all your magic.

[42:42] It’s like a blind date your buddies that no ran like is really really good he’s should go this sucks yeah the not on disco.
But then you already sent the money on right so now you have the intellectual property in your mind great returned.

[42:56] But he still bought the trick right so holla so can use so do you need to know like how much you spent.
Podcast of us ever soon i hope my wife isn’t listening to i mean really better my husband has over forty eight hundred dvds and our house okay.
So on average when tax purposes and when i figure about two to three thousand dollars a year okay on just.
Crap that i really will never use.
Like it’s nice i don’t mind doing it share because i like knowing all the different message here okay so as for as your fake wife,
i’d be okay with that because you’re actually performing and then making money execrable toward that investment and i’m okay with that are you so slow man of a podcast,
see making money making money am asking that that’s a thing like cuz dominic he wants to buy like this like a thousand dollar camera and like as as as as a second camera and might,
i would be okay with that.
If you were making money off of it right but he’s not he’s not pursuing that weddings are graduations or anything like that he’s just he just wants it so we can have amp of and pray.
Getting the second camera he was trying to over get the second camera now i can legitimately do weddings and having blu-ray disc farm and feel better about product and putting out some of,
okay i’m on board for that will you get offered the second camera and he wants to get it mike okay so you’re going to weddings is that old i don’t want to weddings haha,
the cameras the first plug beverage on board of this first great like you have your business person about this so i thought i’d still.

[44:34] So that’s why would be okay with what you’re investing in spain yeah,
but because i have a list of rules knowledge filter i do have the magician some local some distant i do,
call me or message me or email me sir survey hey i’m trying to accomplish this how can we do it and then i’ll work with the move so i have like to create a,
activate but it’s also really difficult so i can join magic show because like i’m so like i’m analyzing it the whole time f ed dot com watching her fills the cia analyze it the whole time yeah,
so and we can design yeah is anything like signage or anything like that were like logos,
no pulling them apart with my eyes cannot do it with that face to as delete graphic design,
that’s the cool thing is we just went to watch the illusionist ss broadway show down at the pavilion school and i was unfamiliar with all of who performed there,
big names and magic.
But i don’t really know what they’re gonna perform so my wife and i were there watching and i see one of the guys steel watches of three people during the show.
And my oh actually you know what is gonna give the watches back bring totally body and back to the end of the show,
my wife likes jesus when take watches liking him back alert.
I swear you to watch is not exit oh and by the way usual watching usual modulated think that is crazy when account is creating a shows are watching a.
He is having a small panic at work that early but then there’s also times like that were like i see them do the traditional stuff like steal somebody’s watch affect.

[46:11] And because i’m looking for that and i see the exact same motions movements and mr directions and something else happens like they still the shoe.
What does that do for example share for sure yeah but the number of all my other gives us of the other one isn’t like i go home in ny.

[46:28] At the drawing board like break this huge equation to figure out of his of the show one thousand will my mind was stealing the underwear.
Wait that’s tricky one cuz i and when shifted know at what kind under where they’re wearing to make them think it’s their underwear,
yeah typically the nice thing is you pick people who just one of the staging be the show,
oh and no savings go with siri yeah going out you my very first pic pocket routine that i did i had i’d take out my own wallet,
when ideally me up against a guy to hold my on wall above the guys head behind him and it is not a school holidays and he didn’t know anything that was going on nice but if you,
not pretend to put it back in and hold it like two one dollar bills was laughing lotus tickets money and then i give two bucks,
so here you forgot this is it oh cool you to books that the whole audience things that is,
today was the macbeth yeah there’s a two dollar trick goes extremely well half off stuff like that.
Very cool so yeah it’s pretty much all psych psychology and if you’ll.

[47:34] Maker is making people think you did something that really didn’t have a pretty much yeah.

[47:41] Yeah we so we just premier that are short from mr pointy and.
We didn’t really have much for illusions in this one but the very and there is a monster that appears in the closet and.
After a short film showed usually hq when you showed a festival you have a q and a this own only really had any questions for about the film right.
Is a hundred percent normally it’s always like dead eyes looking at you laid a and like nobody gives a shit to use a very cool thanks and yea though backs it out well then as a direct tracy the sky tax man his on actually like.
Is it what is the question but my wife didn’t want me to make a oh okay,
bitch better make their you know i was one guy that one of the question where to start a whole conversation great news isn’t what was with the monster as lake.
Oh will that was just the monster in the closet lake.
We roll and i just think it records than enough how you do the monster in the closet house like oh hall.
Not realizing that for some people ache,
that’s a huge lake out of the dad you wanna know lol so yeah actually you know small film festival crowd like that alot of people there they’re like.
Aspiring filmmakers are just like super fast super fast they want the into the lake,
the technical so how did you do that right ray ray you know late i’m not i like movies i don’t really know the whole process of them and stuff but one movie that i really did like about wanting to know the technical aspects that which.

[49:18] Again kinda goes in the magic word thing is bird man is that the one o was.
Oh jamaican nope nope some of that stuff can you play beetlejuice.

[49:31] While keeping my hands yeah but the whole thing is uncut like is it continues yeah that was awesome gas and as filmmakers we’re watching for coming there were some cut.
But it was seem of like it was hard to know when there was a cut,
so i give you ever like see the camera going that right in again summaries backed up at exactly when you see something with a camera kinda like,
this dance will into like a black area than the cat o’ wont the most amazing one those when they went to the dressing room where there than me or is it that your actresses standing for the year and you know the camera i dont have space is a.

[50:07] Hello who didn’t watch the behind the scenes after because we wanted to know like how did they accomplish all this and it was like a fuck ton of rehearsal built their set,
on a soundstage with just the bare bones and they just ran through in sorry sorry i’ll size it is ran through like,
over and over and over again with the camera guys yo going through all the moves and motions like of this whole routine and just like have that’s dedication ss fascinating yeah.
The the the first star trek movie can i think maybe the second one where they’re actually like sky diving,
out of the air for i’ll check to the back to the or the behind the scenes of that was i thought was really cool basically just only have big near,
and it and so reflected the sky the latest in the ass in that i should the camera hard i only others genius looking there’s one l so there’s that there is an illusion and friday the thirteenth i think it.
One where i think it’s what the kevin bacon i don’t know that will to say it is i think using the first one.
Donna feckless does he’s a kid care if so he’s in the bed ray and he’s asleep and he just laid down it was some chick rates and jason hates it when people have sex and so he’s laying there in the bed knobs and he gets a payroll straight up through his throat in like oh god like it looks really how do they do that will then,
of the behind the scenes is actually kevin’s head is just.

[51:37] Through the bed with just like his head on the pillow okay and he’s actually kneeling under the bad words like they have a body down the vital but like a dummy rate of his the rest of his body laying on the bed of with and then they show.

[51:53] The.
Think that you’re all going out through the front to thrown everything the blood mobile okay so like that’s countdown x magic tricks adding it yeah that’s cool the the mirror thing that.
That makes one of my all time favorite special effects was.
The guy that say mirror thing or the like camera should be in the shot in terminator two judgement day.
There’s a part where they’re like fixing on him and arnold is sitting in a chair facing near.

[52:23] He has like a whole chunk of his like back of his head missing move and yet the camera should be in the shot it’s not even a perfect reflection and what it was is.
Start doubles facing away up to actually working on a prosthetic head of arnold’s with the giant like didn’t protections of like that that would,
make no sense like how would you do that oh sure of the other sites near it’s the actual cast oh reflect reflecting in it you funny,
and that that was was a trip that just blew me oasis like no way animations like.
Sheet to the right its like its either the cleanest here in the world or just up or they’re right ray ray yeah had em tomo movie checks all day oh yeah there’s so many.

[53:14] Buy let it down i really like that he knows like we wanting to but.

[53:20] Parma was just magic tricks you do magic tricks yeah so all about perception you didn’t know it’s more difficult make in life.
A movie trick where you can like tweety angles start is.
Or like actually making a live on stage you think flow you like invoke a certain like it reaction just buy a changing the at it yeah so like if you just added a certain way.
Then you don’t know the difference like i could hideaway a youth like.
Show a shot of the screaming and then you kindly to something else and allison you hear me screaming and let you know what cream using my me and stab or whatever gross things and you’re magine asian actually fills in the blanks so then there’s really no,
special affect this is your brain is working overtime you so anxious yeah it’s it’s cool cuz there’s a hole like no other stuff like.
Well this is gonna sound really dumb and obvious but it’s like there’s just amazing stuff that you can do on a live stage you just,
could never translate all for sharing and by the same token there stuff you can do just with,
editing tricks are like twenty eight days later with their frame rate now and always fuck with me cuz it’s like everything looks normal but the frame is just a little bit lower than the human perception of,
are than the threshold for humans to see movement and so but it’s just and that water line so what they did is so it looks,
a pepper is in the mean little wash our looks normal and it is only twenty three frames per second and center twenty four frames per second it was a twenty for each percent enters a wall really is really slow so.

[54:54] When people are just sitting here talking or they’re just like moving along as of like that there’s not an action shot going on.
Motion is okay normal this little baby wash out but then when the zombies attack that’s why,
this seems so fast and so and then you get like a strobe in effect with the light will they remember for services we enter scare the shit out of it and then my friend nick who is kind of us facial genius kind of guy yes i enter,
he was is it over,
frame rates of the actually have if it’s dvd blu-ray or whatever it form to pull the display the free rabies like lol look at that.
And just like that the things like that’s he’s like cuz your brain is perceiving is motion except for when someone hurts roof quickly.
All this of your brains like that stuff on it right yeah like,
creat fat man that’s very clever so clever what would you setting in twenty days later agility okay for dollar i did it like this equals but the original one was.
Sir sir sir fossil don’t know about those numbers on the freeway i just know that it was fewer frame rates than all than normal yet cuz i i bet it.
Bad at numbers especially from a cover it was fifteen years ago were this is stick with you man i now i know.

[56:17] But yeah so.

[56:20] I don’t know how we got here but she’ll jones is still lose the sullivan allusions.

[56:28] So yeah and i think with that we will call it a night be sure to.
To follow us up a tree on and to check out all of our perks and offers there also i beg i’ll be getting some merchandise on to the store.
Here in the next few weeks by the time is goes out it will probably be on the store awesome and then.
Yeah so copper morning come the sioux empire not coming oh yes oh yes so okay so i have any loses for like the last three months and it’s been killing me but i’m.
So any so ever since i started going into like my psychic working stuff i’ve always wanted to get a mentor and i have dig a ten of tina mentor for a short period jaime stillman mentor.
But more like a friend at this point but am i really need somebody else that was going to take me a little bit further and sell a friend of mine,
she was lake have you ever to come out joy their nose lake now no idea who that as well if you look rash is essentially canada’s version of like.
What are trees at the pluto and she’s basically like long island medium lets his,
she’s canada’s version along and medium which is and she is on tv show called moms in medium and not pretend i know what that a theory that basically does the tv like a reality tv show where is,
she’s a meeting and his girl that he doesn’t readings about you now cool there lawfully everything other levels are passed away and it’s touching and that’s a motion on every love the kinda tv show so i am.

[58:00] The way so come out there’s all these lake psychic development courses in egypt of eleven courses and shoes having this one course called,
medium master class mentorship are meant i forget her forget how it’s worded but basically as mentor ship program is fifteen months lol,
and from hours like personally teaching you throughout these fifteen months and it’s like the most intense class that she’s ever offered she’s not she’s a no next image is going to operate so it’s lake.
You know.
You know that’s basically like you need to jump in on this the other what the other caveat though is that it is only accepting ten people this program because it’s such intense course so my friend christie.
That you need to apply and mike reading of this chick s but.
Okay sure like all black so i is so is a three application process i sent in my first application is basically questions like are you say okay and do you like to read that yeah ideally i can get a little that i may my working background and then,
if you get accepted pass that then you got to go to slevin are with her whole kernel.
Push it then she explains like more about the program so i got accepted pass the first phase of as kite spare me used to professional readings like that’s that’s that’s okay so then.
The slim or the program and the lake.
This is a very intense is gonna be check alot of your time if you cannot commit to this do not apply pass this space so then.
They sent out the second application as i don’t know if i want to i flake out on the last month they i do and i’m just being honest with myself something and if i should do this and then it.

[59:41] I had until it saturday night midnight to respond and.
And i was like i don’t think i can say talk to chrissy about on a friday afternoon and she’s a cutie you gotta do this as like i don’t think i should this is you know.
Thank you for your help showing me this this class and and her middle singer water workshops or whatever its is that no dude you to go for it.
So my r eight so and then telling myself the entire time what’s the worst that could happen to get except did yell like that kinda my mentality about this i talk to dominic about to as a okay imagine that,
john carpenter was giving a masterclass in filmmaking would you do whatever it was you could to be honest music.
Huma can’t heartbeat lake he didn’t even hesitate summit r eight that’s okay so i still fill the second application second applications malek,
what’s your data de la do you have kids where you from what’s your job you know kind of like those types of questions i was like this is kind of interesting one of allah’s.
How did you hear about come out and litterally my answer was i have no idea who she is my friend christy told me to apply like,
because they were think this thing in a job application you sailing i don’t know what the donald is my mom told me to apply simply what i said so.

[1:01:03] I submitted the application of friday night i get a response on monday morning and i open my email and i just see this from her team i’m thinking.
Okay like maybe can see like the subject plane late.
Because i can get like of your first you in the email and my inbox i i tried i read it as like doesn’t tell me from accepted or not so i open it up.
And it says congratulations you got accepted to do an interview with her mouth to mike am snogging hundred s mike knows the niggas these two doesn’t mean like yeah yeah so did you interview and i still screw that up that mean,
that’s kind of your things so.

[1:01:43] I get i get a call from her team and they’re like okay so can you near me would you like an hour from now i’m thinking well whole.
What is the interview like her team,
person of the team liked me daddy pass under the interview carmella tax will they had explain five two years of car was it was very but that’s one of them there is a she wants to be with you right away so can you enter your like are my i’m so work right now do we pushes out like.
No three know it is so amen get home for my super nervous now.
This isn’t the kanya and i am waiting waiting waiting three o’clock com’s three o’clock goes in my god it’s the worst like when your expecting a phone call a certain time it doesn’t come and then three thirty three thirty does live in,
four o’clock am she calls and says there is working on this case bubble blowing oh no problem with what am i gonna say,
wake you jerk you know like no obviously shoes busy.
So she’s a fuse and i cannot year from south dakota you have some some semi professional reading experience you know you seem really grounded you actually you know we have a normal job like that so i want to be a pretty mare’s like.
What a big face like i owe you that what are you gonna make on.
Yeah say good-bye part of my brain is like will you hurry came this far like you and you did go through with the friday night application you better say yes you idiot soul.

[1:03:19] I said yes and there was a couple of days they’re like the next day or couple days later we get,
the coursework say was three months of intense study i’m like all the spirituality stuff on despite had you let a ton of reliving first month was late eight,
books in one month.
Yeah plus like you the readings for friends and family plus friend work a full time job plus buying all the stuff that i need the segment was like six books and then the third month was like four because i have like i am suppose to get more intense but is actually kinda like,
easing up also increasing on the matter of reading that you’re doing so.

[1:03:57] Today she sent an email saying basically it’s go time we’re doing the full program now mike i that was the start like june wondered snell is considered a after the dates it’s me thirty f right now so i’ll.
Yeah and i get to meet her in person on june first cuz there’s like a convention up there so they sent as an email.
And there’s a few years convention on june first and she’s lake and expects you guys there’s like,
well yes and go to canada us home and that thinking so i got my passport on it which came super fast like i applied and may fourth i got by may fourteenth,
what rights.
It was expedited service to let i was of expecting at least may twenty first yeah so but may fourteen over i’ll take it i got a flight to sue falls super cheap like five hundred forty dollars damn yeah.
And then hotel rental car list of the winners about is the driving in canada as kilometers vs miles per hour so.
I think i’ll be fine area so yes i say so it’s gonna me journey so if urals to twenty readings of me please,
pick me up on facebook i will be happy to and if you get me now but breaks are definitely gonna be cheaper now because a year from now they won’t be,
so getting all its good.
Yeah but those giving the circuit grounds counselor before i get wide and get better but i’m in line before i get more as i would like to point out this is a thing that are are losers wouldn’t be aware of is that.

[1:05:38] Every night when me we start it shows travis always appears of smoke top hat in case it’s your hands of erie she,
the whole show she hovers several inches off of the surface of the kind so fucking zen.
Fan with that have a goodnight everyone will see you next week.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 6 Sideshow, Gaff, and Rogue Taxidermy

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 6 Sideshow, Gaff, and Rogue Taxidermy

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Taxidermists refer to their made-up creations as gaffs because they are meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder.

While many claim taxidermy gaffs to be forgeries, some gaff taxidermists disagree.

Though many gaff taxidermists are known for their mythical creations, most don’t see it as a means to deceive people. Doug Higley, renowned for his chupacabra gaffs, for example, never meant for his creations to be marketed as “real,” but instead to let people make their own decision about what it is. He famously calls his work the “Chupacabra?” emphasizing the importance of the question mark.


Taxidermy gaffs are a fun suspension of disbelief in taxidermists’ eyes. They want people to have fun imagining the mystery of their creations rather than just being a simple statement of falsehood.

Perhaps the most famous taxidermy gaff, the Fiji mermaid was presented by P. T. Barnum in 1842. By convincing newspapers to do stories on his “real” mermaid, Barnum gained legitimacy for his creation and even managed to stump naturalists for a long while. In the meantime, similar mermaids popped up in smaller sideshows.  Researchers now believe Japanese sailors made the original mermaid in 1822 by sewing a monkey torso to a fishtail. Robert Ripley presented the Fiji mermaid at his odditorium in the 1930s, but his presentation debunked the hoax.


The gaff of the American West is the spritely jackalope. The fusion of a rabbit with a deer, these critters are rumored to be so dangerous that frontier hunters were advised to wear metal stovepipes on their legs to keep from being gored.

In Douglas, Wyoming, they even offer jackalope hunting licenses to tourists. Legend has it that jackalopes can only be caught on June 31st—a day that doesn’t exist.



Machine Transcript
[0:26] But not sure it’s six sites show gas and broke taxidermy what.
The ac is leaking again after something very differences was intrigued by the word of.
What whatever it in magic gaff is like a mistake great no it’s actually a hidden item that the onion sees the don’t know it’s trickery oh okay new tilley like james bond of is.
Exploding sticking interesting so confuse so play the scene for me like what do you mean later seen him you.
[1:03] Rustic piece of pencil lead lemon tree okay app with it died piece of parchment paper.
[1:12] Of land and i have you write something down folded.
What you don’t know is that pain just electronically sent me the signal to tell me what are the road it like at you at all when i wrote out.
Yes boobs that’s not on a well played well today we’re talking about a case you niggas sideshows gas and rogue taxidermy,
taxidermy is a by thing alright.
But my dad’s not he’s a into like actually making taxidermy but he has a lot of mounted animals and.
It is so so now is he a hunter yeah oh okay yeah that’s good do he just likes did animals like you know my step dad has a taxidermy need.
[2:04] Albino ring neck pheasant,
and so and it’s the one thing that he actually has taxidermy other at the hands alot that’s like the only thing that he has i’m kinda like,
think ima married hundred as of yet is in be like dead animals everywhere that’s in as it only displayed like a part of the house where everybody can see that basically greets you in the basement yup,
it’s that it’s a basement thing in our house to get his own bar in the basement that is like is gallery for all things mounted so there’ll cram in there.
At one point vijay shot a.
Thirty elk in custer state park and those are like monstrously family hanging cabela’s the take up like a quarter of a room and so he really tried hard to talk mom into breaking the.
The rule that none are allowed above the threshold lease don’t happen she go voice is actually in the basement oh yeah i’m impressed is.
Stay in the basement early got to the basement in it well the reason my dad.
Side story here mate my dental drinking buddy back in the day was in wheel chair so we built this house he built.
A a basement entrance there’s a patio door step cement pad and so it’s really easy to move stuff in and out of the basement is that it opens right into the bar how like to see them for a and moves down the stairs.
[3:28] The stairs of moment house you could do it just be figuring out what door you bring it is still on a holy prophet and even through like a normal size patio door for a white is that.
My goodness antlers itself gotta be it is huge it’s like five feet it out to be my like moving an l couch that doesn’t like separate in the middle so they probably head to lake carefully tingle angle it through and.
You know like move one part through and then step through the movie other while like the size of a small cam.
This is a huge they’re massive and their lease custer state park ones are like exceptionally huge is you can only.
I forgot how that works as a lottery for them and you can only get them tom years is it back in your step dad,
his is not one year but it is it is common knowledge is that carries use know that because my step dad he’s a hunter so when they first got together,
my mom my step dad he was a okay i got me a place and just like in,
need to go hunting for elk and was like some big weekend or whatever my mom was like no and then he’s like you don’t understand that i will never get this chance again so that our eyes and he when he got an easy stay there until that is elk and he just went bear hunting up in canada,
oh yes recently too and that’s another thing birth that’s it’s pretty rare of you to go bear hunting sell it depends on where it is cuz like when.
When my brother gas figured out that you know cuz like hunting is really valuable here in south dakota you got like it good pheasant hunting to so they.
[5:01] The trade off i actually have done a holder like crazy trips from it they got to go i think is it,
salmon fishing in the columbia river not unlike the gigantic salmon and like right on the clit like does that you need special permits for everything and they got do that not was like a life changing experience for him and,
oh and never j and put something else exchange oh they went.
[5:25] What’s he went like fishing for some be kind of like exotic fishing alaska all and eight that was a trip they treated for for hunting and an oj stone that wants for bear hunting in northern minnesota but they got start sure it will likely early start.
Noble okay now they did not see any bears shoes words say no when i step dad went to go bear hunting he had to stay in a ex cement cat in.
Say all the walls and then they can announcements there’s can smell your musical liability thing also gasoline on where was the head of key somewhere okay and then,
mom sends a text message picture of day getting is there i owe you a whose i’m not like.
Damn what kind of person yeah liver leaving missing the picture was still alive.
Well i don’t think they have that much time and so is quick also is not in the.
Dizzy and your please jarvis show of line or taking the sausage so yeah so he’s he’s a hunter and he gives you his tricks like that to.
So yeah so yeah an and obviously as we’re talking here that taxidermy is one of the fates that can befall one of these hundred creatures so.
Everybody kinda just knows what taxidermy israel mount the head are you your like mayor make a bear skin rug whiskey taxidermy is your making something out of a lake hunted animal or trap them all right.
[6:57] What what is calf taxidermy well taxidermy strafford.
To their made up creations wanna make something of its light doesn’t exist in the real world they call it gaff taxidermy.
It’s meant to look and they call it that because it’s meant to hook someone’s attention and make them wonder i guess that’ll be saying i don’t i don’t know how these work.
[7:22] But well many claim it taxonomy gas are forgeries some gaff taxidermy is taxidermy is disagree.
Here’s a little bit of history with that.
[7:35] Though many calf tax services are know for their mystical creations most don’t see it as a means of deceiving people.
Doug henley renowned for his sugar copper gas which that’s awesome yeah for example never met for his creations to be taken as real but instead to let people make up their own decision about what they are.
He famously calls his work the shoe but com bra with a question mark in it and it s emphasizing the importance of the question mark.
Taxidermy after fun or fun suspension of disbelief in a taxi there missed size.
They want people to have fun imagining this mystery of their creatures rather than just being a simple statement of also it now.
[8:20] Gaffe taxidermy is not always had the most has always been quite that honest and open about what it is one of the most famous hocks years of history perpetrated what is probably the most famous piece of gaff taxidermy.
That is the fiji mermaid which was presented by p t barnum at eighteen forty two.
By convincing newspapers to stories about his real mermaid farm gained legitimacy first creation and even managed to stop natural lists for a while.
In the meantime similar mermaids popped up and other smaller sideshows researchers now believe the japanese sailor mean the original mermaid and eighteen twenty two by selling a monkey torso onto a fish tail.
[9:03] Diver robert ripley of ripley’s believe it or not present at the fiji mermaid as it at his auditorium are yeah auditorium the nineteen thirties.
But the presentation was debunked as a hoax that it was not the original feet what and it was no less than.
We actually we don’t know what happened to the usual fiji mermaid because he claims to have it and so everyone assumed he did and the carbon dated and it can’t be,
or you know did friends x on it and it’s not it’s definitely not the original.
[9:39] And we don’t know what happened to the last thing you at one point they thought of indonesia to like the new york natural history museum well but they checked their like back area where they don’t likes long term stores sensor and they didn’t find it.
Who have it somebody has some nice like that yes it def is like that so that they if they have like a few gas taxidermy is at that museum but none of them are.
You know all them are clearly not the original fiji mermaid are because we see the photos of the mermaid and the one that they do half that was a mess that crazy or whatever its like there not anything alike so.
Yeah not so much.
Here in south dakota where podcast is based there’s a little bit of and this is across the american west i guess i was in a funk this is the south dakota thing guarantee there were widespread.
It’s the sprightly jackalope which is the fusion of a rabbit with of the year.
Honestly these things were around so much when i was growing up but not the actual animal but like people with jack a lope being stuff coffee mugs hats the for the or stuff jackal over mounted actual actual called the area and.
As a little kid i didn’t think they were real but i always like to them for granted that were just like all over the place in inman think of it as like a weird thing that.
You know my dad has a couple of those and the bar downstairs i told me that area so it agent by the way the first in will he ever mounted put that basement was,
was the albino ring neck pheasant he shop so i hope it’s yup i live on ninth of the story was interesting reset the system really.
[11:18] These are when we’re not at all,
it means that we’re supposed to be friends period and taking his is and i know the first was a senior jack a lope and i found there are numerous on the cross country are in texas road house.
Really fun tax returns look at the stuffed animals will see jack loves nice as an elephant and it really grosses me out that he’s watching us all back is one of those things that have an average south.
I do lol oh.
That’s not the deer with handle al of look like kind of like in a single year and the year yeah,
i should explain i’m kind of on some weird but he shouldn’t made about my soaps interfered so i am little weird when the news.
More of them stay that i can hear what’s happening they.
My hands touching buttons lol okay okay sorry i didn’t mean to disturb your okay and so yeah.
[12:21] Like yeah texas roadhouse installed think that now getting and i can move on the moving.
That’s okay where were very sweet talking about jackalope since i am not i was very serious members your service and i thought that jackals are real and then it wasn’t until embarrassingly all,
thank you like this last saturday i was telling my husband about the top of the,
this in the mail has a college i realize the jackals for fake because of the st is you jack rabbits i was laid going to ends at but okay never did anybody that i thought the real and then.
Then they came up that they were fake i just lo que le oh yeah baby i knew that there were something embers in from your friend that something that has everybody that truly being there’s a from yourself yeah.
What’s happening in the bay so many spaces only thing the lake i didn’t find out until really old age.
Relays recently.
[13:31] If like monitor is not pronouncement hear let’s made it find out till i was like thirty that.
[13:40] Pow pumpkin is pronounce pumpkin and not pumpkin i’ll,
and i was just like what and my wife is like yeah you see that it’s like the most adorable thing you are now spoken in your has appointed new and and humid saying say to q voices and.
Just like it’s so adorable and was like what he’s like mom i think we really missing the farm and like all as something like that ghastly.
Whoa really just really can still be corrected using a hundred but you always he may be on is hilarious.
[14:21] No shrapnel as a thing that flings something ounces i found a really.
Old age how did you fine out so okay so we were watching a lot of.
I get mythbusters okay and also he told me about.
I he my husband told me about how his dad was hit with some shrapnel,
in the vietnam war that had agent orange on it and then in my goodness watch this whole thing this whole house hose and health issues of can they all resulted in him getting a heart transplant and then.
Dying of eleven years later which was like super duper long for a guy getting a heart transplant in the eighties surrender live that long ever during a heart transplant that’s fantastic so the,
so anyway that wasn’t the sad part separated the agent orange getting hit with that and so he told me,
see you tell me cause legally gagged who shrapnel as a compliment the fake word they were saying it is that eventually i called model twenty shrapnel is a.
Am i busy on tv to the dome where the signal were in his late is it a serious right now mike will,
yeah they say it’s a thing i know its not so we had to go to like being and time to voice my gummy and hum so full of it so.
[15:45] And i think the funniest one of those have ever encountered was my sister joanie i think she headers doctorate shoes of peach tea at this point.
And it isn’t hate me for telling the story but it was late.
[15:58] For some reason our i said something about it was like easter something like that wasn’t about like jesus being jewish inches like what.
[16:08] Jesus was jewish when only was it on my gosh he can be catholic please.
Where is the sewing says he was jewish white.
So i can i give her crap for years and then it wasn’t like he julie.
Jesus was jewish that i hate you up whether she found out you know now vs much later.
Where he’s before the kids and stirred teaching them back off my adorable yeah.
That’s funny but apparently it also adorable the town of douglas wyoming has event every year on june thirty first oh yeah they.
Um they in they drink their city for tourism releases jackalope hunting licenses all of this but the jackals they’re only good for june thirty first nice haha yeah.
It’s okay no other side story here so one christmas one of my sisters got my brother and i didn’t know they made these fake lottery ticket all like scratch lottery and.
So he scratch it off and.
He totally bought him why is it because they look pretty real he thought he won twenty five thousand dollars now if he literally got up from the christmas dinner table and the like.
[17:41] Shaking jumped on my,
like one like and then the other can like irish jake and her is bad and it was just like luke,
just like your cousin was dying or something like that he had tears coming down his eyes are all relieved and happy he flips it over and.
[18:05] It’s like the the text on the back of the ticket is the fine print this yes it’s hilarious cuz it’s all light.
Redeemable only in your dreams ran been sent sent with an attached,
gonna graph copy of the bible to send the closet north pole on syria yeah i’ve i think they have a lot of those that he is on america’s funniest and like every variation there’s like rock prayers be redeemable at your mama’s house and,
stuff like that going on i get so mad resumes the users and dealers so mean cuz lake,
his sleep be here people sit saying programming things and different credit card that you know might be you like always relieve is coming they find out that new with.
Oh it’s so so so sad,
mean it’s kinda funny at first i would on paper of their hilarious but after having witnessed that christmas um i’m just like,
i want to eat twenty worst enemy they last summer i checked the do so them actually at walmart now justin like that she toy i’ll rice like that the yo-yos and stuff.
They think this and think i got one once.
But i was i was an only i just a desert february and then that was it that was the end of it but i think i need the arrow.
Summer yeah scott weird he so what’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen taxidermy i don’t know that this doesn’t actually classifies taxes during but is okay me off.
[19:36] Because you know it’s coming to see thinking of boars pos actually hunts this is not on kind of it was singer of them and was oh yeah.
But there’s a place here in town if he or any of that the store and like advertising like the puppies in a jar i know does that that everything will all the lies and beating inviting money other podcast,
it’s the sioux falls one yeah she’s late every time he poses owes me is like,
ten percent like it and then you just get reamed with the rest of our way and a yeah holy cow cell what is that those puppies are actually stillborn so they’re not like they do look real piece yeah,
i’m in an event like the will the other animals he have like they were already deceased so it’s not like he’s going i’m trying to find dad.
And my cousin she actually loves his work and has purchased many items from him and she delete these stupid papers why is is your sous.
But everything we were that you invite him for this so no sir taxidermy specially yes you leaving and what are we got an id one hundred episode of engine entry on,
yo that information exactly their ego so cs that’s that’s kinda rude story right hand i know a guy deathly cause that huge during the days is like in the news what is going on in,
what jason pope john.
[21:06] That’s number there’s a like kind of ms thing of my buddies and i were talking elton like in high school bonds i couldn’t.
What is a bonsai yeah of buttons i think it is like when it’s tube fed okay in a jar.
Bike and it lives in this jar so it actually grows to be the shape of the jar and has another to for go the bathroom of the other all know,
it is not a real thing that you get all in japanese you will cut their pets hair to be light shade smells different thing um is she search bars i get my you gonna fine like,
peach is a castle lite jar shaped heads killing perfectly round phone now also the miss was that they keep them in jars to until in there baby to the group and their per,
perfectly cylindrical oh my gash i really gotta that’s not real me to bail out of the biggies.
Yeah great my hat and be a little too disturbing for me to live the most random.
I mean i’ve seen random taxidermy like your bars where they have like a hat and.
[22:11] Here’s got like hunter’s cap and a cigarette in its mouth and i’ve seen a few people like jeff foxworthy is tells jokes about.
Going to the kind of place where the.
Where they mount to the to the air holes and have to like gun that killed the year on my own with your hoes and error the jeff foxworthy joke about that this is like as here’s a remington thirty six you’re not passing them manual.
He has everything in any other laying likely your taxidermy and i’ve ever seen besides the outage our stuff that was weird as hell which are jessica and.
[22:48] Yeah i think it absolutely does yeah i know that i go to fuel it for conventions and they will.
I some people take the bones of animals and stuff like that can amount to actually know i have this,
i do miss have were texting a friend of mine her from the get player real quick her shop is called flawed fox creations and liz both,
beautiful and grotesque all the same time we can’t like its like if,
someone was like from the victorian area got ahold of animals and my taxidermy them and mount them on beautiful lake or nate the brains and like dress them up and it will hats and beads and lace and i mean it is,
insane but it’s beautiful and she has a really really good job and it i’ve told are in this lake.
I love the work that you do but it is not me that i could not but that’s that she doesn’t his and,
she is really excited to questions is like a dead squirrel nearby shes like this usually doesn’t like snow and the outside and hurting me rumors logo orders episode or something where some losing my.
Dead animals and is freezer freeze taxidermy and all.
It was like an episode layout for a version of ace ventura pet detective there’s so many like taxidermy animals around him like it was like going into an antique store or is there some piled on god.
[24:21] Happy new year it’s when.
Yeah the service that the deer with the cigarette minor so like when payment redneck compared to the these these letters are going that’s what is my debt is some again as a jackal open bar and then he is also got.
The squirrel that but was too fat and is stuck in the tree.
[24:44] Nice this is the bake button squirrel but like all marley tree around that’s what like when the fixtures and is bar i think you should be deville marley tree.
Yeah i went to discuss world but it will grow but be you’d screw be very well.
Yeah tenant rights and stuff purse posts on our page as sisters are honestly don’t know.
Where’s people’s ambitions and motives flight not now cx and yeah i get data science to it and when the like originally was somebody’s first idea saying.
I’m making sustainable forever.
[25:26] I’m on a guess that it’s crazy trophy yeah will be like the modern.
We’re talking like six fifteen sixteen hundreds modern quit in the air would be trophy hunting in like the monthly rate aristocracy in europe and stuff the dinner like a trial and error of actually preserving it like.
Oh it’s a general all come home two days later this is kind of jello hanging on the wall well yeah part part that is the.
[25:55] I mean if you ever been to a taxidermy shop and see how they don’t know i’ve not how to do it okay there is no light of fluids like it’s all dreamed will there’s no meat.
Right there’s its litterally nowadays it’s literally a plastic.
Cast kind of thing and then they just it’s basically like the skin so basically the for yet cuz like the eyes are glass the tongue is rubber and then he alot of air brushing on the for to get the color of light just right and.
Yes which is like the antlers and the fur are like the only actual thing that go into it like a lot of them the skull doesn’t even though i like into it anymore allow.
But yeah that’s the other thing is you can have like is that look was really popular in the taxidermy world for awhile some again has a bunch of like.
Deer skulls are elks cultures of like that that are have like a really cool a dream catcher can a thing like air rushing out to them on and then it just like the white skull with the painting and then the big antlers and so obviously that is like that the real scholar whatever but.
[26:59] Yeah there’s there’s actually now a days there’s not a lot to it and in the old days my understanding is that was just like sachs a strong as with the use of her and arsenic or do they do that for just a backing to the.
The furnace can oh yeah there’s that will they tn if why okay you have so that its like its like a fur like if you get like a rabbit skin and.
But tir shop west river or something like that animal furs with all soft on both sides you know that’s what they do to it basically i think it’s.
And some taxes harris is a stomach disorder all what we do for a white male in and tell us all about it so my brothers he works at the.
That’s mini museum downtown for the called heritage museum that was called sher score of the other house museum only activates actually amount of it so i.
[27:56] So
when i first were there and i was like in fourth grade i was had by myself touring the museum and i took a wrong turn and i came face to face with this huge s buffalo and it,
freaked me the fuck out and at and i’ve been terrified of ever setting foot back in that museum again because of this buffalo well then fast forward several years later and now it’s is,
is buffalo again i’m missing and it was a lot smaller which good has now i remember now sleep i was pretty little self.
Pointed out to my brother he was like yeah i don’t touch that because that’s covered in our snake and that’s just really dangerous but they still keep it there because of an antique now.
So who okay yeah so so the order on to that for as museum the sea level it scared the pants off me and then there’s another one.
Always and bring up at least the bears and stuffy shields alley at the surf filter tax during are paying.
Ever fake about the the the bears shields doesn’t be real he thinks yeah yes the fuse we legally real.
To reiterate you shouldn’t touch taxidermy animals because they are like toxic my knowing they have the center of his leg.
A photo booth sides and the thing is probably fake okay that that may be the night of it i have it and haven’t seen the bears your talking about like i am,
but like when you see amount in the speak displays the defense office of like a balance where the home of animals and half that’s all.
[29:28] What new pets and can i say handling how is the reasons you add them they close doors at night in the museum is,
terrible and.
I don’t know that dead animal bodies it between like growing up around that and then like when i go back for christmases.
Usually my siblings that have kids get the all the spare bedrooms downstairs so i’m usually on a futon on our underneath all the mounted animal so i like literally like i fell asleep in their elk is like.
I can’t remember this way i can sit up completely straight in the food on or i will hit the very very bottom of the hallway so nice the companies that the severed head and i can’t handle that you know i can handle seeing it down its opposite all.
[30:18] Blood in my before pictures and my jason than freddie surrounding like i’m fine there i can have the apple falls,
i remember watching and how was last at road house with patrick swayze you know he has a guy that that breaking for it never colored cares names now.
The bad guy basically one of his assistants are was whatever was always afraid to go into a trophy room.
Where is full of taxidermy and stuff and what not shaking in my staring at the walls karen shotgun.
Dial in at the end of their fellow human security and you mall and of them you this night taxidermy that you have here in the office.
Now that would not be it the live in is a red real so not tags are real of you could that mean felons and yet is and we have been.
They’re really tiny night and.
How will one for halloween i put a gigantic alley d,
remote control light display and had the figured out the head is actually just attached to the debt control there’s a,
he can drop stuff all the way through him oh wow but it’s still deep enough that i can get that lighting back out of their change batteries what so lesson learned back for the.
[31:41] At some locations my are they down and shit all i have button that actually could try that.
Is there any chance i can earn for free right they do for an apartment in.
I would like to order the machine the money but my answer was i was going to stick with.
This is really interesting radio i was going to get a stick and put some tape on the end of it and now it is gone it that way cuz it’s only get pennies keep falling in my all my plug in and my car and i.
You know for my phone charger.
I want to change in there and i certainly fall into that the cigarette lighter thought i drive the dining at once and it actually sparta to cross that i wouldn’t think moving never seen happen one time actually or defrost.
What will our current weight where it are playing what was sold honda negative and will yeah and somehow it fell just red like it like scores that downtime.
Mike will not return and get that anymore so far as i know that can actually do that i probably wouldn’t have been as.
[32:43] Zealous as i was when i pursuit that in like eric eric eric ramming my probably metal rod thing i was using to try and get the the penny out of their.
Let me look tell that you actually feeling but i mean still get the car battery it just like in my hurt you that is not gonna kill yeah yeah.
Was it like it’s your heart just right or something like that that in itself makes me that was in a unit your heart and gas what’s her second do those things.
Well that’s okay question if you could taxidermy anything with the two things the whiskey oh joy them together.
Or multiple things weird um that’s a tough one it is a stuff when they think i’m gonna go with.
But did it make it convincing casts a quarrel where the snake that completely covering tropical bird feathers and all i all or i’m gonna go with keeping my theme of birds here i’m gonna get.
I don’t remember what this creatures call from greek mythology but it’s the that cock it’s a chicken.
With like slightly bigger claws and its head is like three feet of snake neck and a snake at.
Oh it’s just i forget ice of cinnamon leaks it doesn’t smell.
Yeah that sounds close to it okay but but yeah i’ve seen those before in light.
You know frescoes and stuff like that and then just like that would be cool but i think i’m going to cut squirrel can keep with my central america theme that a half with stuff so and yes.
[34:20] Alright you lose something like.
And phoebe is yeah yeah i’m thinking like her know it have to be like.
Stronger mixed was lie to make sense of the user to be like water.
[34:41] Yeah we an even surface given to like fish stores we this we talked about like you know the mermaids or whatever being like part fish but yeah the the whole mounting fish thing is like a whole world of its own cuz,
i only meant like that i’ve never seen taxidermy i don’t know how they do that it is.
Can we fish freak me the fuck out yeah they’re they’re weird especially like kinda remember when we were growing up grandpa robert was letting before dad had so much stuff even know what to do with.
He just had like sixty your heads and blake the pheasant on.
Some decent bunch of stuff like that there was one big panel on the wall that was grant roberts biggest fish he ever got in that state in there for probably like ten years before it finally took that back and put that in his cabin in city but it’s a big northern and.
[35:29] The way it’s mounted it’s like you could see inside of it see the girls and you can like series all the way back into in stuffings like.
That was was while i was a kid i’m so we super fascinated with that yeah yeah.
I know i was like seeing like swordfish stuff like those are of which religion is is.
[35:51] Yeah i don’t know what i would text me pro something funny looking thing is spader in the monkey in the middle of the monkeys are ready.
But i know that way hydraulic spare related like a d and d spider monkey and i are like bottom half of and the pot be great when the scorpion and a bit of money in our the scorpion hamster that would.
Freeway at the monkey torso was like giant spider legs wrapping around yeah he sat.
Come amaze that we and like beer often to mommy’s some point in this but i figure part of it is that that topic is.
Will work for one thing there’s a million kinds of of mommy’s it’s like will probably do episodes that are like just them in.
Mommy is just the ink on that’s just the egyptian eccentric cetera,
yeah we have so much to me in this whole huge apology in it mean like there’s a all white subset of things and around that there’s one guy i’m thinking of that a knife,
figured i do an episode about him at some point it but i’m trying but he when i think of him i think of taxidermy.
And i’m trying to remember cuz of what he he it is that he’s the one it like that cambridge university or where he had is his,
he came up with the event is on technique to preserve his head in to preserve his body me donate his body to the university and he wanted to use one of these great thinkers the light meant and he will he thought it was a waste that we throw bodies into the ground to strat.
[37:22] On the other like fascinating machines and stuff so he came up with this idea that.
You would have symposium is with the dead where you would preserve the bodies of your like great thinkers and.
You know like famous professors and stuff like not share and then you bring them out of special occasions having to do with their topic click each apology or whatever the study physics tray yeah and you have like someone speak for and represent the body but have them like,
sitting in station in the lecture whatever and people to beat that the issue back and forth and stuff like that and i’m trying to remember what the guys name is.
[37:59] How do even google something like that are in.
She and there was a reality show journey bend them that’s when thinking of.
And i love the first article that comes up is journey buttons preserved corpse will haunt your nightmares and yet the dead body at the hall of london university.
[38:25] So the thing that went wrong is they have a pc so in keeping with his will and is.
You know like grand scheme or whatever yeah.
They have his body in a cabinet but it’s a wax head but it is like is mummified body or whatever and so they will bring it out thinking halloween the bring it now and they do a symposium sulfites it it like he wanted yeah,
but he wanted he came up with this technique with all this like waxen weird stuff to preserve his head like it look supposedly we answer and.
And yeah haha yeah it it didn’t turn out so well so he still have his head,
and that’s on a platter it’s like not displayed or whatever yeah but it’s hot in there its yeah it is,
nightmare fuel like to the extreme cuz it looks worse than if they just let it like decompose into like a skull,
awe when do to see it looks like this will it make a terrible pose and.
Brown but waxy this is really gross this issue it yeah gross.
There’s something that him am in house of your and calendar that was something like that with all that they can keep was like the head and i.
And the picture of the handle my calendar why does calendar third article here’s an atlas obscure article i benny was germ event them.
That sounds familiar yeah the head of.
[39:58] Oh their ego hell wasn’t full yeah i’ve if this is the the guy in those are clearly class size but the head is super.
[40:07] Super gross lol thank is me eric lane is louis really hard why wide and i look.
[40:17] Well have you guys ever heard of young because of the human body i have.
What is the name for the human body explore whatever and it’s like he’s so,
it’s like basically there’s a bunch of different bodies they that they taxidermy than the sensor is he like that down the road we will do a whole song about bonnie’s began to extremely controversial yes and there’s a whole bunch of.
Mystery as to where those bodies came from and there are only mean because the german designer guy that created the bodies display.
It was a really big controversy cuz he bought them as medical supplies from china oh and it’s very.
Brava bleed where did you live at eighty percent that they were like political prisoners executed for the chinese government and not,
when they do that they don’t let your family have your body wherever and is usually don’t sell it but that’s a china does their organ donation system is that the builders takeout political prisoner execute them on their.
Give their or it’s like a party member something like that i mean it just like really sick election is be training partner and we forget about him it’s wear and suffice.
It’s still pretty fucked up over there’s further justice system and stuff like that so.
[41:36] The eu like the world court subject that they went after the german guy that designed bodies specifically because there light.
This violates our universal code of human rights because these people there’s no way these people consented to this and.
Have their bodies sold in the preserve forever for it for a display and something,
i don’t know how it was resolved but yeah and that’s part of the reason why i had a chance to see it and amanda really wanna see it live when we were in las vegas and.
It wouldn’t do it it is i i mean it’s silly.
But i have like a moral objection to that are in the display ceiling when the kids you falls i was like i kinda wanna see that we as ever at the time,
girl and it and i was thinking how cool that you’re all these people do any devices science servers research center sarah is the new display if like beef do you know is now is people that were to blink donated right.
[42:35] Think i’ll originally went from year and it was like two were in europe and stuff like that right national designer and creator of death just remember he was the nineties but i wanna see like the early oughts it just been a really big media kerfuffle about.
Raise the body’s came from cuz i know when.
I know it is usd they have a cadaver lab all those people definitely only had like hard yes i wanna be my by use for science the scientific purposes so do whatever you want it,
we blueberries and what not so i mean so would it so that’s why i like oh let me sense that.
This is probably you know of a product of a similar program where people to set yeah i’m using my by everyday do whatever.
And put that that have that means it does look different if it’s that they didn’t consent basically forcing do it.
[43:32] Yeah i’m on their website and there’s absolutely no surprise surprise is absolutely nothing about how they how that works as far as the.
The legal part of it for the body suggests the cities where they have displays going las vegas in atlanta georgia buy your tickets now.
Console gross yeah vesicular and and things off our all night i.
[44:00] Yeah with if that okay on you stop looking at that but that’s all we ever made yeah man.
So this is my man is actually in banff alberta canada and is carrying off of my calendar from at was obscure.
That’s some that really nicely it says in a glass case that the band indian trading post looks like the back end of a snapper fish glued to the top half of a desiccated monkey and is a god that’s exactly what it looks like.
Test of white here clean to the three foot long they needed point nine liter creatures me seated form one left hand reaches out as of in the throes of death maniacal grin bears two rows of tiny point to t.
This is the band for a man the legend of the merman because of norman kale extend the founder of the indian trading post and the sign of the goat curio shop,
accounts of its origin differ but of following of a help but fall in the field around the world canoe trip which that,
doesn’t surprise me it would fail.
From nineteen fifteen locks and either caught or bought the hokey looking man beast or maybe he just killed himself so no worries pressure like how he got every handle,
on this merman or where it came from but its kinda like the p t barnum merman it just.
Looks really super duper interesting but it says that mom a favor means have a long history with some dating back centuries but they really hit their stride as part of the pt burnham circuit.
[45:32] Um back an he eighteen forty five and then it locks stands remade came kim about in ninth nineteen fifteen so what is that like thirty years later.
Don’t like that so.
Say yes only three long waylon this is a written lease anything think you see,
but today there are several home a favor needs to be found of various appearances in all regions from japanese temples to seattle he old curiosity shop but banff may have,
may have the only merman.
So oh so this is the male lion vs everything else being email so that was special about them yes so.
[46:17] So yeah but this has kinda funny i kinda think he might’ve.
[46:21] Games medical joins made himself and it looks really gross than a pass that it looks like some good sex and i was really bad it you know crafts can i put together the reaction ahead with that one is that it is.
Not well-made gas like it’s very it’s like if i try to make him or his great great.
So following of because i brought that up on it i wanted to follow up with facts about the bodies display.
Eight that controversy is not settled all moved home yeah concert in race but the prevailing to the bodies.
Hmm let’s see in two thousand five us.
[47:03] The us for attorney general expressed opinion that states were approval should be required for this display um.
The four against having a ten exit in tampa florida so,
but really it’s at where it’s at in some places because i passed laws against it lol and all that and one of his release two in two thousand six the new york times and twenty twenty teamed up and did a investigation showing that a lot of it was black market.
[47:30] So was in the government like little prisoners it was just like black markets we have no idea where they came from all kinds hours and like i didn’t realize cuz addressing display they have children so the catholic church is raised concerns about.
Like will how do they get children cadavers and the children can’t really consent to that and it’s bomb.
Yeah and it goes on with after the twenty twenty investigation an investigation by the new york attorney general of time intercom wall.
The at the display ceo or any color had to resign in disgrace on.
[48:09] There was a investigation and subsequent settlement to two thousand eight um.
[48:19] Let’s see this this article says that the front page of the exhibition website casts a disclaimer about.
The origins of the bodies and stuff like that talking about this but.
I was just on their site and could not find the disclaimer so one of the he has died down of ten years are all sure that it’s not as big a deal or something but yeah cuz there’s nothing on their website they see about it but.
There’s clearly a lot here yeah on rumors of organ harvesting from a long gone numbers in china and will.
Aw that’s really breaks me heart that’s as late as it is twenty seventeen republic there was a giant oh cry by medical professionals in prague about the exhibition coming there.
I believe that i mean yeah if it’s that shady in that country basically lady they can’t tell you live where the bodies came from.
Yell and after twenty twenty investigation apparently there’s a really good chance that they were like.
Not ethically sourced you all of you though its like you know most people are like the ethically sourced.
Chicken and stuff like that honestly he’s people for got secretes order with ian’s or late party like that settlement dimensions that.
The switch down it’s not even real anymore.
Yeah i don’t know with the possibility of just not actually releasing that information publicly now.
[49:50] And you would be impossible to fake but gray and there’s a lot of things to like.
[49:57] Set a could technically be listed as a science thing in the,
well that’s how they marketing is that is a science thing me and i mean i could be where they get their licensing and it’s all actually permitted that they could come from donors essentially organ donors,
yeah i’m wondering is going for the did that or how that yeah work but like i said according to this no they have not.
I mean they basically did an undisclosed settlement with the stay in your working clothes there display their and now i have one and one in atlanta georgia and one in las vegas nevada.
[50:31] Hello to.
Hopefully i don’t know part of me will i am leaving note thing clicks hopefully you know it it shut down but i kind of like my cousin fascinating to be a follow up a person on that one just as we.
Learn more about it to say hi i mean it’s a controversy and he was out there but until we’re talking about taxidermy it didn’t cross my mind rain rain.
[50:54] But yeah so what other sites show taxidermy and stuff like that it by mean there’s lots of sight your taxidermy obviously.
Travis in your wanderings of you.
Encounter any any like interesting sideshow taxidermy i have it but it makes me think so like when using the word sideshow like what is gonna happen if people like the enigma.
[51:19] They do there so much like more than one from cells to actually be on display install it mean she ten to the base.
Higher body yeah so why couldn’t she pump or is it all a i don’t know he is he thousands of miles though he’s you quite often in here.
That be pretty funny if he was just like.
No i want a proper christian burial my body served and is like absolutely no that’s you know that’s mean i seen people who have of like and don’t other loser and.
Alterations were they split their tongue sec all different things like that i always wondered like we do this later revealed that sunday we are one half it’s probably neck and where.
Yeah right.
[52:07] I think that a lot about body modifications of them was just like yeah there’s a lot of people see when they are late to the gauges and stuff yeah yeah there’s an look new looks sixty yeah exactly it’s.
I was the one that you don’t even like there some person ordering turn starting right now worry where and.
You won’t have to take out the gauges ks i don’t know whether policy is on that they think it was there it was there that the first couple days i think i’ve area of surface,
ignorance what is a gauge his following hole in here that’s what those are bad also and the freezer seen someone who were must of light fell out or if there’s something so yeah is to tear things that.
Hey we’re getting celsius your peers lines and still with the sisters now looking into you so.
Use like synthetic the rooms in like a little drizzle on a broom and come short.
Like every day so just add like two or three action brussels to stretch out the size and all i see share share so is this is the plastic piece that can they.
Yeah one thing i’ve always wanted to do but again goes back to where i don’t want to be there for me when i get older gas because robert seen the do the needle through the hand where i legit put a needle all the way through my hand to the back out the front.
One of the things i wanna do is actually for a friend to hands together.
And have like a card or for the in between rs and possible for me to get to orange is somebody to pick what’s hidden inside my head and have them cut the strings and pulsar.
[53:40] He took a loan bowl in order to do i have to dj my team.
I legit would it be if i had a la village il hold it all the time.
I mean yeah lets during your hands good to see a friendly little will hold my heat in the,
i only wanted for this moving great become of,
i mean the door catch water in your hands up like that it falls through the middle sixes english have driving right hand car i could live with that mean on a couple is strong enough still.
Book it for the love straight love you get pulled over with that and just be like,
what is the going to town to go and see your acting is here your memoir and now blake i just really wanted to do it for a one,
the one time that was it this one though the one reaction is simply a resume and cover your eyes peeking when each,
all i really really want to figure out how to thread together and he slipped through the biggest show flip a coin me like,
heads or tails of mastering in the.
Wait so late rent the whole place basically computers your for your hand yeah and it’s safe.
Yeah the decision me this get yeah his would i use a lighter in the tattoo shop selling them to someone flea so this is like say for medically approved right.
[55:13] Yeah it is your can you say things like is that you can hear the reason of used heels and oh i just did hose from show leg last month and made had added three back to back shows and i did.
Three times of the dream like you know.
Not the way he does it have to have you.
This just isn’t for in your hand that is always dead center beat if you follow your middle finger and index finger down.
The tendency the middle of your hand yeah in between those tenancy pressed of in relation to finally double cavity yeah that’s all the.
Is no blood flow reset or.
I think it had to be something like that yeah that’s what i wanted to suzanne hundred percent legit there’s been times where i’ve missed it ten mins of bone.
When i put the center my heating comes over by my phone because like she is hers.
When does witches nine pontiac syntax yeah sensor is it akward sterilize everything rainy.
Yeah well i use to sew would be very very serious i liked i liked your response there two blue yeah,
so i use i use to okay using with actual alcohol swab might meals we’re medically seal mode because i would come across a very serious thing am alcohol swabs on the table and.
[56:45] Open your shows new york and tara from the slot one doing and i say it’s very important that i’m safe here.
I need to make sure everything is clean so that i remove my glasses of all subjects that lives white.
What setting to go see what i’m doing so that he’s awesome and it doesn’t mean and what is the only tuesdays glasses up says that it is a.
Lies hallway and the visitors are real this is really hard know the first time i did it was courses very slow and nervous area.
But the first time accidental with you my hand is like the most you for feeling ever like my hand like we thought like you just had an hour massage.
Seriously it function yeah zuber acupuncture in your legs she really can do everything with his hand play dark when my back and bruises adjustment is.
Take me to mom’s all my guys sell okay so what did you coming to practice the hand thing before you but show people inhaling those were the angle i’m home personally okay tuesday good terribly wrong and if it does.
I want people to see you like french people yeah don’t know i did everything i need to reverse that shit visible is so differs me labeled like i really don’t when you.
Okay yeah you feel a ball.
More italiana sleeping that think is fit most famous for his business for on the podcasts because we are so obsessed with that the first time they came on yet and we’re all like trying to guess how we get it down and so.
[58:24] I was trying to guess the candy it was a candy shop in the glass and so when i said that uses like why tell you what you pick the label.
And when is terry labels for snacks no the only.
It was blown out lee there’s so what happens when they get rid of all the incandescent bali the halogen you ninety like is reaching out all the things to do like wine glasses of merlot dishes,
i prefer do liable because i can show on stage of a dude in a performance and frankly some really cool yeah and i choose to cool to no avail never one hundred percent be rid of.
What could incandescent light bulbs completely serviced oasis where they have to have them check so that when you do you swallow it,
yeah that’s for heating it doesn’t look i’m sure it’s the thought are you passengers turns out of milage.
Wearing its final time he has a new pastor hears this likely happens the glass and your body is.
So it’s a no fuse the sun surgery and use the science behind please glasses simply made a sand,
yes okay so he chew it fine and nothing is returns back to saying.
No yes yes a really fine powder but you have to chew a lot you like once you engage count and i can choose is usually it know i just keep going till feels like i just a spoonful sugar basically that’s real grainy in my mouth all.
And then just swish it swish dose of water yeah i’m good.
[59:58] But glass lee cuts in a slicing motion gray okay so i can i have to choose directly like my teeth straight up and down i can’t let you looking to again where glass.
And i can’t use my tom to switch around of it and place yeah later random he get can like.
My baby suddenly cheese with in la back in so once it’s completely chewed add to fill my mouth will water i switch around of the water everything take care of an industrial bacons lol.
[1:00:26] Now there was an asians because i got to a point for let my audience choose the glass of oj and one time they chose a fairly large.
Piece of glass goes down wagering that is so that.
Will do have a way out of that if they do that again okay because it takes so long to actually chew it entire label them like this break it flooded piece,
and i need gotta insole the game is fairly large piece of ham and staging can’t back down till is he this whole thing it took a while i was in a hurry and emily is getting bored cell is this lol.
So the next day like i poop glass like that was a legit.
Terrible terrible experience a handful of la or the just plain wasn’t painful and pooped and then look graphic your when one of the wives a glass it’s exactly what hat.
Yeah so now when they take a big piece of glass and break in am aq you want some and then i have my smaller piece that will take a.
When that jackass knowledge of year i can’t do i just appoints be added to a glass for.
Give me a sec guys a little bit but can we talk that like other metric for that is more stage craft than it is actual like.
Safety about eating that much what is rate yeah funny thing is the first time i did it like i’m not gonna do it like the first time i use i wanna do home stays like.
Joey prepares all to do is to read how to do it right okay so i did that like as mentally prepared much more than actually thought i really need to be yeah.
[1:01:58] Invite are i’m not doing to stage times if it goes wrong alleyway mess up once and it was so well everybody’s like,
you bobby liable and in this like every show i’m evil eyeball now all cash only williams labelled so does the glass forgot you like the and then the middle five k is that was in question.
At three she working email that will come out well elegantly when and a while and know that legions groups.
[1:02:30] The smaller certainly need still run the risk a lot of internal damage yeah yeah.
Ss and eating taxidermy in the sun are have you even find a lot of skin fishing stuff.
Well having the oven interesting life which means that you’ll be like front center and the bodies display her fix the stove ticket for china to all i hope that they have layed flip me inside out.
[1:03:01] Show all the glass or and yeah the thing is glass mean.
I go with you tell your doctor the glass lid dentists all and would you guys there like we were and recommend a mica would regulate when i go into third to may denizen my.
Here’s the deal this is what i do my probation.
Do not lecture me about my tees because like the enamel everything isn’t so scratched up and so got all sure serially be schooling to left and right back half nineties are just terrible like they’re all there yeah after just,
and terrible terrible condition.
Adventures are in your future yet the first time actually did the glass eating is like three weeks before i fill a cavity coming on shift and mike.
I’m just getting this tooth pulled because i am not having glass stuck inside a cavity and of fitting in so when we to the dentist said he and the pulled to so it was a character in my nose pull it and it will.
Yo mike for saying those gonna be susan three weeks and the like way of you’d shoe and stuff like that might.
I’m eating glass and like i don’t like.
Pack my goals of glass in the heels over a and i have with that so this is a van most most metal conversation with her dentist and error yeah.
has actually was acting of though said that when can we performed in premonition live at the orpheum as the first time i did he do with goes wrong like them in a bleed on stage.
He’s do that so metal yours yet they does it now.
[1:04:36] Has a flashing but does he do that i don’t think he does often as i do the stickers say,
as in that’s your bitch you got your gonna have beef with him if you like the idea too far it no use doing i seen posts on social media about like he live all on my.
Yeah let’s fix i’m tired doing yes like honestly.
I’d like to outsource the label heating core to this point for me it’s mundane so it’s like you know honestly.
Bit middle of your show and this is my in turn molly it’s her first day she’ll be eating like well yeah following assets in its.
[1:05:14] Smells friday canaveral it is call and alot of things.
One of the things i wanna do this in a guy if he actually took wicked clear plastic to like almost like an aquarium too yeah he put it through his nose as mouse which is up now again.
That it is like fifty feet of it and then you are completely wrapped himself with it and then put it plugged into a milk picture on top of the ladder and impose like a living statue an open the valve.
And the milk was are all these tubes in his nose and and screwed out of his mouth and fill the cup.
It’s not on the fountain stage you let that is awesome drake in the in which people think is gross but it’s stones and a two bolt gas early like.
We have a lot of prayers such that to yeah so i have says like a terrible gag reflex and i want to do it so i can hardly do the nail and those now too that would be so awesome only wish.
Who is it in and they said we record i’ll do the needle for you okay and that’s their.
[1:06:27] So i think we’re gonna wrap set this up nineteen jeans gray has an.
I have i think we’re gonna take that conversation make that are apple log if that’s cool with you and nelia so.
Welcome back where they wrap up this episode for you but be sure to check out the copper more patria on if you’d like to hear a whole bunch of stuff about,
different mahdi of body modification things and body tricks that travis is done and a little behind the scenes on some.
[1:06:57] And a body for magic that’s not right click blood man to put his hands called the magic.
Oh shirt jackie click from this freak show okay so steve and jake so how about this every get some video up and will put on a picture of yours and you can tell all that is a very modest a really deep magic is ninety percent of its legit,
so geek starts i guess marissa got five different to that of you drain interpretation’s only and has.
So far so thanks for listening everybody and next time speaking of magic we’re gonna go we’re gonna take a historical deep dive on one on the obscure in very weird magician from the turn of the century you cross,
crosses paths with.
A number of great and famous magicians including harry houdini and yeah it’s a really fascinating history and we will tell you all about it next time on macabre more wall lol.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 5 D B Cooper

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 5 D B Cooper.  It remains one of the greatest mysteries in the United States, a startling crime that captured the American imagination, inspiring songs, movies, TV shows, and books.

In 1971 on the eve of Thanksgiving, a man who called himself Dan Cooper paid $20 cash for a ticket on the 2:45 flight from Portland Oregon to Seattle Tacoma flight 305, at the time flight 305 was one of the shortest domestic air routes in the US. In good weather conditions, it takes just 30 minutes.

A “quiet” man, he ordered a bourbon and soda while waiting for takeoff. In midair just after 3 p.m., from seat 18C, he handed the flight attendant a note saying he had a bomb in his briefcase and showed her a glimpse of wires and red sticks. She wrote down his demands — four parachutes and $200,000 (He failed to specify in what denomination) — and passed them to the captain.

In Seattle, the passengers were exchanged for the money and parachutes. The flight resumed with “Mr. Cooper” and the crew en route for Mexico City, with the plane flying no higher than 10,000 feet, as he demanded.  He also demanded that they fly with their flaps deployed and landing gear out. This limited the planes speed to less than 200 miles per hour. A typical modern skydiver jumps from around 13,000 feet.

Two US Air Force Jet Fighters traveled with the plain but had trouble operating and the low speed and altitude and were forced to circle the plane at a wide distance.

After 8 p.m., somewhere between Seattle and Reno, he jumped out of the back of the Boeing 727, one of the only commercial jetliners ever to have a rear staircase.  In 1971 there was nothing in the plane to stop him from deploying it. He landed somewhere in a wooded area near Arial Washington with a parachute and the ransom and disappeared.  This triggered one of the largest manhunts in US History. The Washington national guard was deployed along with nearly a 100 FBI Agents. They found nothing.

On February 7th, 1980 a ten-year-old boy gathered firewood with his father on the banks of the Columbia River, and he found three bundles of moldy cash with the rubber bands still intact.  The serial numbers on the bills matched those given to D.B. Cooper. But this discovery would lead to more questions than answers. For example, these bills were found 20 miles outside of the widest predicted drop zone the FBI had used, also it was in the opposite direction from where the wind was blowing on the night D.B. Cooper jumped.  Geologists were also perplexed as the bills were discovered above a portion of the river that had been dredged in 1974. This meant the money had been buried there three years after the heist.

After years of dead ends, the FBI ended their 45-year investigation in July of 2016.  The FBI has said it interviewed hundreds of people, tracked leads across the nation, and scoured the aircraft for evidence. By the fifth anniversary of the hijacking, it had looked into 800 suspects. As The New York Times reported in 2011, the FBI file on the case, available in an online vault, measures 40 feet long, cataloging more than 1,000 suspects, some supplied by psychics, some turned in by people suspicious of a family member, some coming in deathbed confessions.

One of the suspects interviewed was a man named Richard Floyd McCoy. He carried out a similar hijacking and escape by parachute less than five months after the Cooper flight, but Mr. McCoy was ruled out because he did not match descriptions provided by flight attendants, and for other undisclosed reasons, as well as having an alibi according to the FBI.

Hijackings during the Cold War were often desperate attempts at escape from the Iron Curtain, but during the 1970s criminals began using them as leverage in ransom negotiations. The D.B. Cooper case became one of the most famous examples of the era of hijacking. By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone.

Originally the crime was deemed a case of air piracy, a felony that carried a statute of limitations of five years. However, a grand jury indicted the hijacker in absentia for violating the Hobbs Act, another federal statute aimed to prevent extortion that carried no statute of limitations.

“In theory, if Cooper were to walk out of the woods today, he could theoretically be charged with a crime,” according to the FBI.

How did the story affect American culture?

The high-flying exploit of the man known as D.B. Cooper infused American popular culture. The parts of his story that were known were dramatic enough to inspire writers, directors and musicians, but the unanswered questions had to be patched up with guesswork.

The 2004 movie “Without a Paddle” was about three friends who headed into the wilderness in search of the lost ransom money and ended up finding his skeleton.

In 1981, the movie “The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper” opened with Treat Williams in the lead role as a former Green Beret named J.R. Meade. The movie was based on J.D. Reed’s 1980 book, “Free Fall.” Other fictional books included “D.B.” by Elwood Reid in which “Cooper” is actually a Vietnam vet named Phil Fitch, and James M. Cain’s “Rainbow’s End” in the 1970s, which had similarities.

Artists from Todd Snider to Chuck Brodsky have written and performed songs about him.

The Ariel General Store and Tavern, an archive of Coopermania in the Washington State town of Ariel, where he is believed to have landed, has kept the story alive with an annual get-together that toasts Mr. Cooper as a hero. Its next annual D.B. Cooper festival is planned for Nov. 26, including a look-a-like contest.


The Skyjacker That Got Away – D.B. Cooper (2009) FULL Documentary

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

Machine Transcript

[0:28] Everybody looks and the cop from one chapter five topic today is the super in your host a show here with robert mailing and travis night.
Hey are eight so this is basically a guy that.

[0:47] Did a price.

[0:51] Um but thousands of feet above the ground to around ten thousand and ten thousand feet in an airplane.
In the seventies the heat what what’s for framing he is history’s americas at least only successful,
sky pirate and the only sky jacker in the history of the united states to get away with it so is you whole again it will record for the tallest robbery.

[1:19] It lists for family he’s the record he should he should be the other than you and one other people that are gonna try and.
You don’t wanna create a world record for that because other people and when i do that from the funny you should mention that because i thought that this was totally like,
a thing that had never happened and never happened again but there’s more to the story than that let me dig into it a little bit for you,
this remains one of the greatest mysteries in the united states it’s a startling crime capture the american m imagination and inspired songs movies tv shows and books.
In nineteen seventy one on the eve of thanksgiving a man who called himself dan cooper you see the db cooper thing was actually a typo in the newspaper.
He never called himself db cooper he was dan cooper st and the.
Other paper sauce of them a call him db cooper and the name sounds cooler as the last,
that’s all it is and so it became popular lee known as db cooper and so that was stock but there but he never actually called himself that he called himself been cooper so xl time he’s being questioned later in the knee converted the line no,
yeah yeah yeah and that’s how we get past the past the lie detector they’ll and,
when bill collectors one o’clock in the the miss spelling is there and show steakhouse not me room number.
What is the stock market now.

[2:52] So on the eve of thanksgiving he call himself dan cooper and he paid twenty dollars cash for one of those of days per ticket on the two forty-five flight from portland oregon to seattle to come off like three or five.
At this time flight three five one of the shortest a mistake eral tonight states in good weather conditions a completed in less than thirty minutes.

[3:16] Witnesses including the flight attendant who deal dealt directly with him describe him as a quiet man he ordered a bourbon and soda while waiting for take off.
Those were the days cuz he was a first class service our damn in in there just after three pm.
From his seat which was eighteen c he had the flight attendant and no,
saying that he had a bomb in his briefcase and the shoulder a glimpse of the wires and red sticks instead of a briefcase e had he was dressed is just like a regular.
Businessman on a business trip loafers suit on a class and then the at glasses with them.
She broke down his demands for four parachutes and two hundred thousand dollars.
Interestingly and this will come up later he failed to specify what denomination of friend some money he wanted which is not only rare but.
Some people think that makes him like a total rank amateur that he didn’t do that cuz for all you know that it’s anyone’s and technically they complied turn in fact what they will do if they will send in twenty’s and it will become.
That’s another theory that’s like that throw off maybe is calculations for this because it’s so much heavier than what he was imagining he was gonna be jumping with all the so.
Keep keep that that domestic opinion that yeah acquired okay he ordered permissive take off.
Eighteen c in seattle the passengers for exchange for money and parachutes then the flight resumed with with just the flight crew.

[4:54] And mr cooper and the crue the starter route to mexico city which is very request to fly.
But he ordered the plane fly no higher than ten thousand feet which is much lower than the typical operating area for this airplane.

[5:11] He also demanded the fly with their flaps deployed and their landing gear out which is very ss.
Strange but when it does that is slow the airplane way down from what it normally cruise at it lowered its speed to two hundred miles per hour.
Which is not at all typical it to get a decent the little fast but a decent jumping speed but not at cruising speed for an airliner and.
Let’s see.
One know i added here’s the typical style divergence from around thirteen thousand feet is just so awful so we just a little bit blower what amount modern typical skydivers would go with this interesting know that he.
Recently changed our flight path that to go down to mexico city how pissed would you be though if you’re on that flight.
And like your just gonna go twenty minutes of thirty minute flight up to what seattle will.
In this goes with his reputation as a gentleman thief other than the flight crew yeah.
At the at the airport where they gave him the money and the parachutes and that’s part of the reason back that you gotta remember this is pretty nine eleven there no room is like practically no airport security whatsoever will get on that moment but.

[6:29] He your people on the flight city was super polite and friendly and mr ss income like like him a little bit and stuff and.
Yeah but he so he never threaten anyone he’s like i have a bomb this is a matter of fact thing and.
Yeah so all the all the hostages and most of the flight so it’s basically like the one or two flight attendants that he been dealing directly with and actually the one he spent the most time with the one they show the bomb she was released when they landed at the airport so it’s just.
Think pilot copilot and engineer and then what water to stewardesses were all that was on the plane with him all is i thought she was on the plane with the passengers going nato he have all had fun all the passengers though.
Oh and then the resume the return it cuz that was promised a man’s was four parachutes two hundred thousand dollars and they refused.
Oh okay i just created didn’t answer it i got off on a tangent there but the reason a i started attention was to explain that.
Back then we typically with error jackers like this the relay political people are people are desperate stuff like that and if you just follow their directions they never really like killed anybody was much different time than boring right,
the whole idea of killing civilians in like a terrorist act or something like that was not.
A common thing raven with it in when someone in the middle east hijacked an airplane during this year they will kill anybody is like on a whole this airplane inconveniences people until you give me my shit straight.

[8:03] So there was no you now nobody was really that scared about it and you know other than obviously the people still on the plane with them who are worried about the fact that the does he appear to have a bomb.
So let’s see so there is,
you know prison about ten thousand feet to use this is something i didn’t know to us air force jet fighters traveled with the plane but they are trouble operating at a low speed and altitude ca,
what i didn’t know was about that were two fighters that were like the training um but they couldn’t trail because it was so slow and so low that basically the eventually they were just circling above it and doing like white circles on the area where the plane was because,
they can slow down enough to actually like watch what happened so.

[8:52] They informed him that there wasn’t enough fuel to make it all the way to mexico city flying that way obviously cuz that’s such a drag with the air with planning and stuff after.
They said they change course and a set it to.
Dan cooper is quoted as saying at one point is like reno sounds nice lets go there after eight pm somewhere between seattle and reno he jumped out of the back of the boeing seven to seven.

[9:20] The seventy seven is the only is one of the only commercial jet liners that was ever use that has a weird employed staircase which is another thing i never knew about the story i was picturing jumping out of like an emergency hatch we.
Heat he jumped on the back just like they do like a c thirty in the army that is the.
You know stair lift weights we lowers out of the back of it like a million falcon and jump.
So yeah i thought that was crazy so why personally that makes me think that he knew what aircraft he was dealing with the have that stare so long as it’s not like it is not the year of the internet where you can google that shit.

[10:02] Let’s see.

[10:05] So it is and in nineteen seventy one to work even any safeguards to keep them from doing that night flight so that anyone of that sir doing until the track got even worse and all the sun will the d pressure rising light came on.

[10:20] So he jumped on the plane he landed somewhere in a wooded area near a town called ariel washington.
With the with the parachute and ransom and disappeared this triggered one of the largest manhunt in us history.
The washington national guard was deployed along with nearly a hundred fbi agents.
They found nothing as impressive yeah it’s super impressive another thing people point out was like.
There’s freezing water with the columbia river and eventually ex that wanted him they could have landed in even if you wanna just like safely in the woods it’s almost it’s almost freezing now and he is in a suit jacket.
And loafers that was the one thing that blue a lot of people’s minds that he just had like nineteen.
You know sixties letters are thin socks and stuff like that just.
But he did it anyway is is night time and night so.
Even knowing when or where she was jumping head of impressive because of your gps and that makes me wonder if he did cuz like you told them to go to mexico city.
And then they’re like we can’t make mexico city so okay how about reno so.
Did he know where he was gonna when did he know what angle wise difference would be for traveling to.
Mexico city is are trying to reno instead of mexico city right for his finger that’s the same general direction he wanted to travel i mean i also know if he planned on.

[11:52] Dr jumping somewhere in washington state anyways this seems to me to be like he was will obviously with a pair of shoes that he was,
you not gonna jump right was the plan and he was probably the job early so i guess it probably wasn’t that that factor that i’m worried about is probably not that big a factor as it so early in the flight.
For what early in mexico city flight and honestly if you would’ve drowned.

[12:16] Everything comes up eventuality like you would have found a body eventually issued flow yeah them in this no one after that will get into the those logistics of that cuz this case gets we’re on that front okay okay.
Let’s see so where’s manhunt in us history so nothing absolutely nothing about this case.
Until nine years later when on february seventeen nineteen eighty a ten year old boy was gathering fire fire with his father on the banks of the columbia river found three bundles of moldy cash with the rubber band still intact all off.

[12:55] The serial number now call back here to when i mentioned that it was the twenties yeah is,
the the money was given to men twenties and send hundred dollar bill so it was a big bag you now have anything i think this is what fifty pounds or something like not light at all,
the flight attendant that saw him prepping to the never saw him jump but this i’m kind of getting married thought chief tied the bag around his waist.

[13:22] With the cord or whatever but anyway um because this is that your were,
criminals don’t know this is a thing of the government commonly do they gave him,
you not light that’s why you’re like on marked bills are passed when chill bills when in movies when someone does it meant this much money and on march on sequential bills it’s because that this is,
like i knew your for this tactic the,
sequenced all the number so they’re like in perfect order so they know if the serial number on the bills is within this range it’s definitely db cooper money right so in theory as soon as he would have ever spent any of that money over the nine years.
The federal government would eventually found out about only absolutely which keep in mind for those nine years nothing.

[14:08] So we’re back at this river bank nine years later and we find these bills with the serial numbers that match those given to db cooper.
This discovery would only lead to more questions and answers for example.
These pills were found with from twenty miles outside of the widest predicted drops on the fb i had used.
It was also the opposite direction from which the wind was blowing the night that db cooper jumped which that’s something i don’t know is like weird.
He always go just at the time,
was also very perplexed the bills were discovered above a portion of the river that have been dredged in nineteen seventy four this meant that the money had.
That that money got there at least three years.
After the heist or else it would’ve been pulled up pull up in the drive gas so.
After years of dance the fbi finally it never got any further on this they after forty five years that ended the investigation as of july twenty six he is the,
the fbi said that his interview hundreds of people track leads across the nation scoured the aircraft for evidence,
and by the fifth anniversary of the hijacked jacking had investigated eight hundred suspects.

[15:28] The new york’s type new york times reported in twenty eleven that the fbi fbi case available in an online fall for you in on level measures forty feet long can long more than a hundred thousand suspects thousand.

[15:43] What do i say is a hundred thousand.
Get one thousand likes during a third of the country was db cooper acting like i am starting all i am spartacus five nine tv hoover stylish wanted to a thousand let’s see.
Some some of the lever supplied by psychics and some were turned were people turning in.
Members of their family they were suspicious of and some were coming from deathbed confession so just kind of a circus a media circus of things that were turning me calling in.

[16:18] Which you know that makes you wonder how much detail they lost in the static of the profile of the case.
So let’s see this and this is what promising here or not promising cuz canada and forum but it’s what tells you that someone could survive doing this.
Is that someone shortly after db cooper did the exact same thing survive got.
Some it because i cure him or some idiot that you can brag about it and the fbi got word office she had so.
That’s the one of the cells and he’s one of the suspects look at he was named richard floyd parkway.
He carried out a very similar hijacking an escape by parachute less than five months after.

[17:08] But mr cole way mccoy was ruled out as a suspect because he didn’t match the descriptions provided the flight attendants which of you look at the lake artist composite of db cooper and then look at the pictures of this guy,
yeah it’s like a totally all guy like,
much much broader flatter faces of the way this is like oh hell no that’s not him is anyone like the right height say yeah she had,
kind of a week but he had an alibi to the fbi.
Interesting with this one yeah so he was bragging to a friend of this funny cuz my wife amanda was actually in the room when i was watching a documentary that uses one of the sources for this and.
Amanda was sitting there and she’s like why did he only ask for two hundred thousand dollars and i was like well you know it was seventy one and so that was a lot more money back than.
This mccoy guy he stole like how i can listed on here in my notes damn but he still much a half a million that’s right oh yes for half a million dollars and the guy he bracket that’s right that’s good because that’s part hell according.
The guy he brags to in a bar about.
How he could do that so easy and this tv cooper’s nothing and how stupid was it only ask for two hundred thousand dollars.
And so he’s like did that and then a week later when i did it so the sky was like i’m just.
In a bar with a diversity on it would he be converted and ask for half a million sixty cooper yeah on so.

[18:43] Yeah so in a way he gets caught and they would really like in his front porch light.
Cuz he’s got like a wife and three kids and stuff like that like they find a duffle bag with the half a million dollars in it so all our mail.
What and he went to jail for like six fifteen years or something like that anyway.

[19:06] So i checked the little background on hijacking skin is can it,
re cover this a little bit go head with that talking about how the world as violent as they are now and write that you know back then is like you just did with the hijackers aston nobody really would get her,
he was just like okay we’re doing this thing now.
Hijacking through the cold war will often desperate attempts to escape the iron curtain but during the nineteen seventies criminals began using them as leverage in branson negotiation.
The db cooper case i became one of the most famous examples of the year of high packing.
By the mid seventies at least a hundred and speak the plaintiff in sky jacked in the us so they were trying to break they were trying to go for a world record they’re kinda like to.

[19:50] Someone maybe one of the few permitted to see if they can do it better it’s just like the song that and then the light.
Shit it’s that easy to just like take the whole point in getting katelyn it was a police people and just sit back drinking bourbon and,
get handed a hundred cash fuck yeah so is go off which in our review the covers the only person that was never captured.
Can i tell you that mean yeah not for a while yet yeah the mouse ate yet have an airtight plan the have to know a lot of things that is,
this in your name is something else what two hundred thousand dollar that did they just getting a flat passengers on the plane and they get when they landed gotten a planet along with parachutes oh okay okay i was asked to,
those were actual the man’s so it was like they said someone would like a member of the flight crew came down picked up the four parachutes picked up the,
cash it and walk it back in,
all the other passengers were distorting it was very orderly okay like you know what’s not for us what he’s street right there and sharp shooters on the roof in wa long and is it to different your okay okay.
Let’s see a person do what’s the iron curtain.

[21:05] The weather iron curtain is all i’m asking okay sorry no that’s so you’re familiar with the cold war with the soviet union and they are okay.
Countries that are on the other side of that were part of the warsaw pact or part of the communist outside yeah.
They are considered on the other side of the iron curtain i’m making pork something is for antlers yet i love this the.

[21:33] It comes from a quote from winston churchill speech shortly after the end of world war two right about the time that,
the russians are coming off the east germans from west germans oh and a couple of czechoslovakia and put down rebellions there is really like its probably like for i think four years after world war two when,
stuff is like really getting crappy with the soviet union is becoming the soap like the soviet union we know from classic stereo typical wear stuff gray and.
Churchill said that.
Iron curtain was the sending across the face of europe holding it in because of the the divisions of tanks because the.
The russians it takes me right that’s funny as you look the us arsenal from the first gulf war.

[22:26] The iraqis holy crap load of actually pretty good soviet tanks the boss are plus one so the union fell but the us arsenal was nothing but,
machine is designed to kill those tanks because the expected to find a land war in europe where would be,
we’re gonna be overwhelmed by soviet tanks pacha,
i’m twenty eight abrams tank that we haven’t really it takes much as a pain killer and i can’t on it fires and you’re reading wage she’s a specifically designed,
break open the armor of a soviet tank full and like our attack helicopters like the happiest of like that were so calm and then yeah.
Designers like pain killers also.
Loosing eyesight yeah i know i need that i didn’t know that the sorry military history i can i can go on forever but anyway see that’s what the iron curtain is thank you so you have people who are like the east germans were trying to get,
over to the other side in the state of democracy in stuff like that so.

[23:30] Can you sue a lot of it without involving tube i wanna see this year but i can’t find anything about that in the notes regularly that’s not really germane i guess right now let’s see.
So i thought this was interesting this came up in the new york times article originally,
this was the case of air piracy which is a felony that carries the statute of limitations of five years,
however a grand jury indicted him in essential for violating the hobbs act which is a federal statute into preventing the extortion.

[24:02] The prince extortion and it carries no statute of limitations so one fbi agent was called in the documentary saying in theory of cooper were to walk out of what’s today he with the radically be charged with a crime i said,
so yeah it’s still it’s still you know it’s a cold case but it’s still an active case yeah.
So here’s a little perspective on how it go in so easily showed up any point time now that the light,
yes yeah it is for anyone who was sitting there wondering what’s the statute of limitations on this there are no of non for the hops at so i can.
Sorry be sued be screwed if they ever found him even retirement home so the height of.
How does this affect american culture the high-flying exploit of the man mystique cooper infused american popular culture the time,
parts the story were known to be dramatic enough to inspire writers directors and musicians but the other answer questions had to be patched up with gas work.

[25:02] In the two thousand four movie without a paddle and i forgot message light was doing.
Was about three friends who had it into the wilderness in search of the lost ransom money of db cooper and ended up finding his skull.
In nineteen eighty one the movie the pursuit of db cooper open with treat williams as in the lead role as a former green beret named jr meet.
The movie is based on jr reads nineteen eighty book free fall its a fictional account of tv coverage life.
And that other fictional books included the by ellen read.
Which cooper was a vietnam veteran named phil finch and james cleans rainbows and in the nineteen seventies which had similarities.

[25:49] Artists from tonights niner chuck berry have all written songs about db cooper and then i thought this was interesting cuz i’ve read this is from the new york times report about it but.
This is also national geographic documentary that’s lincoln are shown us the aerial general store and tavern is a small it’s like a washington size town of like two hundred people.
They the are basically trying to and like museum of db cooper memorabilia allow all over the world and it’s just a little tiny drinking and drinking town and,
yo its closest and where they thought you and it’s kept the story like they do it annual gas to get together that’s toasts db cooper as a full cure-all.
Let’s see in the.

[26:38] In the in the video they showed and its like its punter drunk rowdy you now christian is yeah rednecks several like it like what’s in you could tell alot older guys were like alive when it happens they’re all being mile and.
Lol think you’ll look-alike contest so people dress like db cooper with a suit from that time and stuff like that and i liked it.

[27:04] It’s like there’s one old guy who just you know being and being an ornery old guy is being like i’m bbq for in a lot of them are like one dvd and.

[27:14] His is the one guy says it is his wife source like when where the hell’s the money they use the money as a qualified agent dale cooper is from print pizzas and also.
Paula called back to the cooper that’s really interesting cuz that be something that was in the.
That’s what i should mine be of like someone who would be reading about the fbi out like that so,
super possible yeah license mackenzie and i miss yeah i miss that connection but that could totally be a thing yeah mackenzie was also could british you db cooper infiniti.
I know for certain types of doing this topic the first time i heard about the converter was in prison break.
So that was pretty cool never heard about that someone i can research that.
Yeah watching this stuff so did you know the way this that someone actually successfully done that either that require whatever yeah,
yeah i can’t remember his name or any sachs laws in a while i am here because i know anyone could ever actually like pull that off and just like got away with the other than the fact,
they were the bracket is right.
Yes i heard a few different variations of the story says i was kind of confused about the two about the details but i thought.
On the plane was flying over like the midwest of the united states the two and i thought it some point in the middle of the flight the secluded there’s a lot of cash on the plane.

[28:48] And he got the cash and then,
he cares shootouts and i that was it like i was disappeared i was super fuzzy on the details and especially what really surprised me from this one was the.

[29:02] The rear of the plane is there kc lily just walked off like it like a professional sign for yeah as i watched and had.
I heard eddie cooper on an episode of bizarre states briefly and i also sa hmm saw a little bit of it on an episode of mysteries at the museum they have an artifact from a plane or some pressure that he jumped from cell.
Don’t forget the details that messed up i wonder like how close is actually paying attention to the story the first was by originally thought it was like a cross united states flight today he,
this time and it was kinda like basically still waiting to like storage area of,
i did the same thing one has ever actually seen him jump.
I have this theory that won’t maybe use like a contortionist and o line compartment are part of the planet no one would think to look in the hands cramming with the cash the only scattered all over walking and looking but.
The special national geographic documentary they really got into.
Oh no they’re like fifty agents all over the plane as soon as it landed and they basically took it apart piece by the little league like to the point of part it back,
looking for any kind of friends that they find you think okay is has this interesting thought that.
When they landed the plane in portland and i don’t offers portland or if it was seattle anyways the one that was louis ave sunnyvale seattle-tacoma airport is the land the plane is in and seattle.

[30:41] In seattle and one of his mans actually bring me a pilot’s uniform so.

[30:50] Follow me on a sony please stops,
he’s own close with the cash tosses it off the plane to make it look like he’s fighting nothing for the preacher those fighter doesn’t seen something fall off the plane ticket confirm if he actually fell off the plane because.
Right they could you so late so when the plane passed away and he,
basically says these vitamins and the pilots light you say anything otherwise i will kill you or whatever busily friends them so he the evil to d where the plane the piles of everybody bout for him and he gets off scott free,
does he look like a pilot because,
people are you know that wasn’t a now thing for our lives with the address of all hostages as the bank robbers yes walked gas gas i mean really i love that movie,
so that is i’ll i love the fact that they did that to get everyone except for the main guy who’s voice to be reckoned that he that because i can’t figure out life me all through the movie why they were basically clean that hole in the wall is like a basically like,
lol him yeah that was that was a great movie i love that.
Say that that’s my thought and the fact that only was around the he could find him in washington but he went back to that area after he died down and.
Now cash there’s a whole bunch of interesting thoughts yeah on the nineteen eighties discovery of the three bundles yeah.

[32:21] So it couldn’t have been buried at the time of the crash there was a lot of people speculated that he really did it as like a fuck you to.
The cops to or to the fbi investigators marking them yeah home.

[32:36] The national geographic special got into some really interesting friends x that they didn’t specifically for this documentary and.

[32:46] The thing is that they come up with a very solid theory on the surface of what happened except that there’s one part of their theory that i think is super harebrained he have totally like the rails it.
So the in the documentary the main pieces of it is that they argue that.
Well it’s pretty sure db cooper landing the columbia river died and cuz from hypothermia as the cold yet and do you have the money got this launches appointment so that the three bundles show up.

[33:16] Up the whole like finding a shoe or for anybody or something like that the problem is the columbia river right there’s really close we’re open or it empties into the ocean.

[33:26] And so that could explain why didn’t file anything but here’s the part where they’re very very saw simply research thing falls apart for me.
Is there like will this location is still four miles up river from where the.
Light where he could have like go worry typically work on in the water lever is like all the direction of like the franklin river.
Basically he would have to travel upstream four miles for this theory work will so,
okay how would how would that if he drowned or hypothermia it like they said they’re syria how does the money end up upstream for my house has and literally the documentary all it does is it cuts to the friends that guy being like.
Well i imagine that the the the shipping is a busy shopping area for like carlos like holy like coal in miles like i and his theory is that will you just caught in a propeller and a tractor that’s four miles or whatever.

[34:30] Yeah but the probability of that happening and no one noticing and it only scattering those three bills and not like making a gigantic mass yeah.
Really throws me and like so that they have this whole the how long thing that really was like wow he’s really convinced me that he must’ve drowned or died of hypothermia.
On and that’s the logical explanation that’s the only explanation it can be and then they’re like well this is the lynch pin of our thing is that somehow he magically had to travel for miles in the wrong direction of the river and it’s like.

[35:06] So um.

[35:09] Yeah i think so that they lost me and i’m okay so they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about niggas trying desperately to like get to some kind of conclusion for the end of the show or something they need that the happiest my question is like,
he said that they belong to the serial numbers are built in the ass if you go to the bank now the second new bills this resistor in order to,
what kind of clothes my mind that is to say about is that i have a hard time believing.
The even if i sit thousand one dollar bills the government was tracking those that any of those and actually make it back to the government source.

[35:47] For them to see that was the bank the banks do it the veins actually record all serial numbers,
they they scanned the bills like we’re so basically you could go around and you could spend it at like walmart mcdonalds for you now are a department store where ever.
When does the s and as soon as they did they’re prey like a brinks truck shows up and it goes into a bank and like a big bag of money in the.
Though that bank will not scan it but they will send those bills to a federal reserve branch.
And the federal reserve branch will scan them since the craziest thing i spend money here in truly does not stay lol oh my no have you ever played and maybe the something for the bonus episode but.
There’s this there was this internet thing in the early oughts that i participated in called where’s george.
Yeah yeah and never successfully done blade,
the very first time i ever got one of those when i was in minnesota i entered in the computer and then that turned me into a where’s george guy and so i tracked a bunch of my money around back there i should see if i can find my log in some kind of curious having us been blocked but.
Not mine work the twenty i had was from road head like.
I wanna buy twin cities minnesota.
And then i don’t know that i ever checked after i spent it is so i don’t know where it went from there but it sure it.

[37:23] Money travels like the patterns are super crazy if you gonna say hole is the where is george a guy without ever actually myself,
that is a concert and utilizes a business crescent right now was every building got for a year oh awesome.
Yeah so you say you’re cool but you’re getting local people,
lol i don’t know i travel outside is cool okay when warm wonderful resumes believe that’s the only problem with that,
is that if you do that enough to enough bills to draw any kind of like government attention,
like that’s why we’re george wears george eventually got shut down i think the website might still be up but like they can sell their stamper that they use to anymore they have an id number and um stuff because it’s technically defacing us currency is,
and i think there’s other things about like tracking currency like that is like illegal under like commerce.
Something something larceny i just remember they got into a whole bunch of legal trouble on multiple fronts and that’s why that kinda died out now there just trying to find a way that is something serious leaking all i mean that i have,
friend who.
I got a twenty dollar bill signed by paul leicester eric and he how long that for the longest time any ended having to spend and he was just like so where’s the rating way of settlement will.

[38:58] Physically raise flexible on the bill and ray smart printer for my logo on.
He’s so that is susan on holy crap on it only really a card or like chain messages something action.
Of brown paper furnace and take the bills lined up right again what while we’re because you know,
if you scan money and try to do anything with it in photoshop like it all your photoshop will lock you out oh what yeah is.
And if you go to like this.
Basically any scanner that gets soul anything this cancer photocopies in the united states is required by law to basically have these chips in it that check for if your scanning money,
and also if anything.
So most of them won’t even let you try to print money as if it is right really tough to get even close to say i didn’t and i am.

[40:00] But yeah but i’ve i’ve we had a plan where we were gonna make these,
co fun box for a company that i work for two to scan and other bills do we would put the owners dale’s face in the bills and make a bunch of like funny stuff all of the sides and is gonna be in,
resort dollar he is dale’s orders like for dollar seventy to be like him like giving a stupid face in the middle of the building but jokes all over anyway,
can’t do it he did scan it and even if you like try to change the scale isn’t like that we are serving areas like is this like call the police and the city trying an answer is secretly a fax machine will it.
This is not a conspiracy theory your printer has a manufacturer signature in the pattern of the dots that’s like a fingerprint yeah.
So if you so like for example if you print a ransom letter or something like that as soon as the fbi gets it,
don’t know how to make model brand of the printer me even know like based off the serial number where it was,
was in a from well sites,
tell me what exactly does he like typefaces on typewriters back in the day to have specific fonts the content they can narrow it down to a table by typewriter was being used because of the case with,
who got the pilot charles lindbergh with his baby was killed at the take typewriter that was used was was was a really ah brandon so they were able to kinda.

[41:32] Track down like who like that like who bought the specific type grader had and narrow it down to the hood today and his kids nieces and washes his in episode where la,
there is a track legally from the fringes of changes forever for miller tracking all.
And a life like his will be done in still think we’re looking ray ray now yeah yeah yeah it’s down in the microscopic like,
the dots me cake yeah it’s it’s crazy how good they are with that and.
But there’s department and the fbi seen this before that friends ugly they just do nothing but collect different kinds of materials and paper so that like if they have a bomb.
They literally like an all that’s left is the speed of cloth they literally of a library of different cloths,
the screen is like no like every cloth manufactured or sold in the us they can go through and compare it to.
I don’t know how old i don’t know when they started that there was a case that is our this little girl was kidnapped from a christmas party at her apartment complex and they have they have a suspect that they is that they were pretty sure that he took.
From the party and then the sickly get killed or whatever and so the,
to prove it they had to go through his car and they had to fiber and else’s on his on everything in his car and he found and so they have to figure out.

[43:08] The dress that she was wearing it like a specific dress for my jc penney’s catalog that i don’t like big bird and or something and,
they had you contact the company to get this dress they compare the chemical call the chemical.
What am i looking for and else’s whatever on,
the dieses dress that was such a specific color and jc penney’s really go are all sold out a distress so they had lego to the public if you have the stress send this to so they can do that i won and that was back in like.
Once i get early nineties with our ladies when this kidnapping happens i wonder.
If it’s baby kids and exhaust of you know yeah it’s not like flawless and everything but i want to have like.
Just thousands and thousands are a believer yeah my pain has a specific your chemical compound profile did not just for lake.
Just the red panda specifically clint your vehicle yeah legally gm uses certain type of paint and you’ll be right are not for dessert take a pain celebrate the red it’s the reds are the same even if they look the same.
So what’s cracking because i hear you there.
Those are popular podcasts to this true crime they are absolutely are you ever of.
Listen to what a white wine true crime that’s that’s a good one it’s just too lazy to sit there and drink white wine while they watch case file on a rainy is.

[44:42] And then there both got comedians from los angeles all yesterday is on.
They did a crossover episode with another comedian i listen tonight i found them this is good let’s see so yeah.
So where were we think with their final verdict here cuz.
I honestly this you know like in chapter four when we talked about the tricare that was something i investigated and.
All my energy was actually like it down a little bit because i felt like there wasn’t as much there as i thought there would be right this is the opposite where as soon as i got into a learn so much more and i’m like.
This is so much more impressive than i thought it was like the guy care sharepoint is like.
There are so much more going on here and what he if you pull this off we’ll even what you did accomplish is like freaking amazing ass.
And then it’s like even though like finding the bills like i heard that like you know.
Probably decades ago and was like well then that means he died if they found the money there right its like washed up and then you dig into it like four miles upstream thing and the fact that it’s only the three bundles eccentric central and it’s like,
haha okay no no idea and so i can see why like there’s fbi agents i will retire ones now who are just like.
Spend their career dislike agonizing over like finding db cooper park as in.

[46:13] I kind of i i kinda think he might of fell with the flight crew and that’s he got away ballet.

[46:22] Yeah i don’t know i i would press as hard to be very hard to do considering the probably know exactly who are the pilots and the flight crew themselves would be like.
You know this is the guy who is it that has the other thing is that they’re going off the beat might have the other witnesses around and stuff like that and.
Yeah i just.
Id be really messy for them to do that well for some like i like the climbing over apartment or other compartment on the plane idea that i had until.
Got into the hole on everything yeah going to researches like now they.
Because they thought of that is that you think about it we’re sitting here and this is what we can come up with me researching for an afternoon you guys what you know what you read every right to be if you think if you think about it it’s like.
What are we gonna think of that’s clever that the freaking fbi agent who spent thirty years agonizing over this question.
Didn’t think oven check for her in right so that shit yeah.
Well it but there are times you know if your if you and your so into it looking at this one specific topic that also very true don’t send back,
to take a look and hanged think of other ideas as at the box that’s that’s why it’s always nice to bring in a fresh mind that has no influence on the case that kinda come up with their own it.
To your own hypothesize i’m just leaves weed by a prison break the.

[47:57] What is your case of prison break his glasses of his to the washer because you’ll get sucked in freezer and i’m like okay i’m in the forties of us of you break a curse that’s.

[48:11] Okay when will that story the vera one of the very first things you never told me when i met you was that i need to watch prison break his this show is flat out phenomenal.
Life he is so spot on the fax and lead how old way.

[48:29] Smh or it is thawed out surveys the guy race and disassociate and prison knowing the system everything like that is a hell brothers came.

[48:42] So he’s covered in tattoos.
It’s actually his architect that test used to just click a picture graphics right everybody else is actually the first blue princes matches caplet she’s a case is playing at the prison with.
So he also knows all the people who are in prison so he has like crime boss is gonna be late.
The guy who secures plane on stuff to escape was to get out of prison he knows db cooper is in the prison that’s interesting are getting their money to lose.

[49:17] But basically is a character in the show yes holy shit yes now i wanna watch the whole thing is he’s like some old guy’s been in prison for ever.
Who has a cat which it pisses allow the than the casting grandfather into the prison system is siri and is so that the main thirty saying i know who you are global fuse the facts and the guy denies it.
And then goes no states times this is what happened and he says.
Will you could be right son but i was this place you la la have medical history being a hospital or jail whatever.
And then like later on the a c fires back through for and towards the end of the season he finds out that he was db cooper all so the cool thing to it is that basically michael scofield the main character.
Proven fact that when the new version of the plane.
He had a truck waiting for him in the hall money yet he in his leg and was driving hid the money.

[50:26] I am.
Which then the one thing that was annoying cuz obviously knew about the plane that is flight passing about speed on stuff so he also smart enough not actually spend the money.
Rain says you there is the money and says forget about.

[50:44] Shortly after he gets pulled over for drunk driving.
And this is how in the prison because he actually kills someone she so now this gal game prison had.
And this is how he identifies him as the job of cleaning his live on long term goals of the stuff yeah is so that the following season now they’re going after this money because they have to get it.
The sound that saved us from the bible’s on no longer exists and i was like all artifact celebrity old map of the town.
Find out where this form used in the making very good money so it’s best central thing this show yeah sell out all day and and then days later find citizen housing development that was built on top of this and like he’s concrete basement and they now have to do is location allow and then,
these guys are almost out of prison together now fighting to make sure that,
one not all together is context to get caught but too thin crust with another that was to get the money will be spurs human race fairly pray,
and because hole few housing is this money and trying to outsmart.
Well it’s free and is of its amazing is the season of the series done now they just not see season like two or three years ago and it was just as good as how many seasons are there s five for.
Okay there’s a reason for in everyone this is the first of may be next on our to watch list right now we’re watching the.

[52:22] Are you still watching the tv to many series i want to know what’s ninety five tv series relax and have a one and a half seasons,
and now we are on the two thousand in two thousand,
yep series so we just that i stock up to listen to your podcast know normalizing moved into the remake is an hour and three make and that’s for every now sold for kinda getting a kick out of watching these old tv shows.
Discuss what we were on taxi for awhile there whole that’s a good one yeah i was actually really really good they tackle some really the topics are actually pretty interesting like isaac like the gauge of homosexuality.
That’s the only one i got right now popping that’s terrible pictures but that they deduct a lot of really interesting topics and pricing for it’s time yet super surprising for it’s time.
And then put the flavor what we did after i think we just opened the after.
If a taxi so yeah well you that last little dot edu that basically right now i think our rule is kind of like they have to be done so i can can binge watch it but the only benjamin just like watch two hours of the night.

[53:37] When we get this on my.

[53:41] I can’t change it now like max go watch prisoners in the ways washers on.
So no longer holds am tired but i forgot you were in the room here and it was probably like ten am ice do that rent the first time and.
My wife actually hold prison break birthday for me on some real.
Because his code to communicate.
Where is ones yeah just save some does anyone prism break size not codes on the cia puzzles and riddles.
And so my wife started meetings all over town with one lead to another lol so that was that was super cool,
it isn’t the whole time yeah it still over there for same,
who is the mother of the negative for a harry potter themed birthday for angel that was her return to the party whatever is needed for her which we live in.
Port washington wisconsin which is really michigan my they have tires stitches like the largest hired.

[55:00] Party in jesus in us and it will actually hire should comes into the harbor lonely people will slavery palace meeting with rose light on the sidewalks and stuff and literally take over the town.
What is all planned out for the whole weekend and want to go in voluntarily all of lives in danger isn’t signs put up with blacks tires last game and it becomes like everybody’s rest of the tires downtown and it’s really really fun.
Also the largest fish fry in the country so drizzle,
but for her basically shoes can hires is before that he works those chemicals seems basically did the exact same thing treasure hunt style is what it doesn’t pay for me to trim oh awesome,
we actually going out switch to mention the for.
Cousins says printed invites for having me people do as they feel it feel like it do share this late,
what is it will like five years ago that’s kind of stuff i didn’t do it to bowl man i bought it like three extravagant thing area as a beginning all or think this last time was pretty much like.
What can i get you on amazon and pick something up in anymore just as good as it is.
Pretty kid friendly i’m sorry i buy some friends of what they do you own as their birthday they wall take the kids out of the house for the birthday person this is stackhouse by themselves and just do whatever the hell they wanted you.

[56:36] All day and the fact for dinner and then and then whatever but yeah not as the apple that’s how we’re gonna do it.
But father’s day basically you don’t do anything with your dad you just never leaves the house and the dad is all the rooms up for mother’s day too late.
For mother’s day you are not farther yeah there you get to have whatever to everyone buy you something missing tired asl birthdays to sell.

[57:05] Very good so yeah db cooper.
I think that’s the main bullet point on this is go watch prison break awesome that it does actually.
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 4 Greyfriars Kirkyard

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 4 Greyfriars Kirkyard

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

When a man’s soul is certainly in hell, his body will scarce lie quiet in a tomb however costly; some time or other the door must open, and the reprobate come forth in the abhorred garments of the grave.

— Scottish poet Robert Louis Stevenson referencing George MacKenzie in his 1879 book “Edinburgh: Picturesque Notes,”

What do Body Snatchers, violent ghosts, loyal dogs, Harry Potter, and a failed political revolution have in common?  

Greyfriars Kirkyard, in Edinburgh Scottland.  Widely considered by many on the interwebs to be the most haunted graveyard in the world.

This graveyard is in the city’s historic district perched on a hill overlooking the “New” town.  For some perspective, New Town was built around the 1700s. Greyfriars itself was established sometime in the 1560’s.  

“Bluidy Mackenzie”

Haunting the cemetery is George MacKenzie, called the MacKenzie Poltergeist, who is said to be one of the most aggressive and active paranormal figures around. Known during his lifetime as a ruthless persecutor of the Scottish Covenanters, a Presbyterian movement in the 17th century, MacKenzie’s spirit, according to legend, was released in 1999 when a homeless man looking for a spot to sleep broke into his final resting place, the Black Mausoleum.

Even profound skeptics have felt an eerie, sometimes terrifying, presence in Greyfriars Kirkyard. Many come away convinced that there is ‘something’ there, even if they are unwilling to accept it is a poltergeist. The Mackenzie Poltergeist has been called the most well-documented paranormal phenomenon in the world.

Hundreds of people claim to have encountered the unpleasant spirit, said to be the ghost of Sir George Mackenzie, otherwise known as Bluidy Mackenzie, a persecutor of the Covenanters.

Even before the incident with the homeless person, the poltergeist was leaving his mark on visitors to the derelict vaults under South Bridge. Scores of people on ghost tours in the vaults reported being scratched, pushed and trampled. One 11-year-old boy was said to have come out of the tour with long bloody scratches down his arm, while many visitors have suddenly felt cold and scores have fainted.

Unpleasant happenings became so common that organizers of the tours even took to offering a full refund to visitors who had been spooked. After Mackenzie’s tomb was cracked open, there were said to be numerous incidents in Greyfriars Kirkyard, and many believed the malevolent spirit of Bluidy Mackenzie was to blame.

Psychic investigators and television cameras arrived in droves, but nothing seemed to stem the attacks. In 2003, the house of the organizer of the ghost tours caught fire, and all the papers he had collected about Bluidy Mackenzie were destroyed.

People who had been on the graveyard tours emerged with scratches and broken fingers, scores collapsed, and some claimed members of their family had gone mad after visiting the churchyard.

It got so dangerous, the Edinburgh City Council sealed up George Mackenzie’s grave, and the churchyard tours were canceled, but reports of strange happenings continued. To date there have been more than 450 documented attacks, at least 140 people have collapsed – and there have even been suggestions that the spirit may be responsible for a death.

In 2000, an Edinburgh psychic and spiritualist medium, Colin Grant, attempted an exorcism in the churchyard. He said he was picking up “evil forces” and refused to enter the graveyard without a bible and a cross. Grant told his family the churchyard was home to 200 unhappy spirits, believed to be the Covenanters who had been held there and starved to death. He said there was “more to be done at Greyfriars,” but two months later the 66-year-old psychic died suddenly of a massive heart attack.

Oh, did we forget to mention there was a Covenanters concentration camp on the grounds?

Covenanters’ Prison

The rebellion broke out in 1679, after the unexpected success of a group of covenanters, armed with pitchforks and the like, against government forces led by John Graham of Claverhouse at the Battle of Drumclog. For a time the authorities looked in danger of losing control of the south west of Scotland, as more and more people joined the rebel camp at Bothwell near Glasgow; but only a few weeks after Drumclog the rebels were defeated at the Battle of Bothwell Brig.

The Covenanters’ Prison is connected to Greyfriars Kirkyard by a stone gateway and locked metal grate near MacKenzie’s mausoleum. It was once home to an estimated 1200 unfortunate members of the failed revolution in 1679. In the winter of 1679-1680 conditions at the prison were so brutal that only 257 of the prisoners came out alive.

This period of repression of the Covenanters downfall and religious persecution across Scottland became known as “The Killing Time.”

There are reports that government officials were so ardent in their persecution that:

if the authorities learnt that a murdered Covenanter had been given a decent burial, their bodies were usually disinterred and buried in places reserved for thieves and malcontents. Quite often the corpse was hanged or beheaded first”, and burying the body in the kirkyard could result in another punitive death.

— “The Covenanters, The Fifty Years Struggle 1638-1688”. 1920-07-26. Retrieved 2012-05-14.


Typical of most old cemeteries, eerie carved-stone Angels of Death and other ghoulish figures adorn many of the tombstones. But it’s the imposing metal grills covering some of the graves that stand out. In the early 1800s, the University of Edinburgh’s prestigious medical studies program flourished, inadvertently sparking an underground trade in corpses stolen by body snatchers and sold to local students. Soon, the nefarious practice became an epidemic. To prevent these entrepreneurs from making off with their loved ones, families would protect the graves by boxing them in with iron cages, called mortsafes, that ran deep into the ground.


Greyfriars Bobby

For the past 140 years, a noble-looking, bronze Skye terrier has stood guard outside the grounds and watched over the kirkyard. Edinburghers have championed the story of the Greyfriars Bobby: a loyal dog that stood vigil over his deceased owner’s grave for 14 years until his death at which point he was buried near his beloved master’s plot. The story has been memorialized in books and movies, but historians now say that while the pup existed, his extended mourning was probably a fabricated marketing ploy by the cemetery curator and a nearby restaurant owner to encourage tourism. He most likely stuck around for the food and attention he got from visitors.


Harry Potter

Fans of the Harry Potter books might recognize a name or two on the gravestones of Greyfriars Kirkyard.  One prominent stone, which has become a pilgrimage site to Potter fans bears the name “Thomas Riddell.” How did that happen?


JK Rowling has previously said that the tombstone of Thomas Riddell Esquire in the famous Kirkyard may have subconsciously been the inspiration for Voldemort’s true name since she often took strolls through the spot, which is overlooked by the Elephant House cafe, where she wrote several of the books.


The nearby gravestone of poet William McGonagall is also said to have offered inspiration for the name of Professor McGonagall, the head of Gryffindor, while nearby George Heriot’s school is claimed to be a template for Hogwarts.


Notes and References

Buckroyd, J. Church and State in Scotland, 1660-1681. 1980

Currie, Janette (2009). History, hagiography, and fakestory: representations of the Scottish Covenanters in non-fictional and fictional texts from 1638 to 1835 (Thesis). University of Stirling.

“The Covenanters, The Fifty Years Struggle 1638-1688”. 1920-07-26. Retrieved 2012-05-14.

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Sometime or other the door must open and the reprobate come forth and import garments of the grave scottish poet robert louis stevenson referencing george mckenzie and his book eighteen seventy nine at in boro picturesque notes.
Hey everybody welcome to macabre and why is chapter four better hose here.
Myself very rob and travis and they were talking about grey fryers cook kirk yard.
Many fires gray fryers kirk yard causing a yard that’s me that’s just the seniors thinking yeah i have no idea if that’s right but it is just so it just feels good it feels as if our.
Wasn’t scottish were in edinburgh for a few if you get enough weight if you if you mix those up over there are using.

[1:24] But he so we’re gonna talk a little bit about at and barone specifically the gray fryers kirk yard which is basically for from a fancy old word for graveyard.
Now great for your skin particular is considered one of the most haunted.
Graveyards in the world so i thought i’d share with you few notes about you guys can stop me if you wanna china man or anything like that but i’m gonna go ahead and read through this history of research to put together for everybody.

[1:53] So here’s here’s basically my premise for this is would you body snatchers violin ghosts loyal dogs harry potter and i feel political revolution have in common.
Great fryer strip yard in edinburgh scotland is widely considered by many on the interwebs to be the most haunted graveyard in the world.
This graveyard is the city’s is in the city.
And for some context new town was built around seventeen hundred thoughts exactly new its just its named as new neil but not me it’s you to at number of factors have the old one.
I would assume that i may say yeah i think i didn’t pull out a map and look but i should have.
Whoever there’s an old town that sounds like something you’d say when in all great old city like animals like i’m headed to old town is this what happens if.
Maybe that is the actual sound could only lila’s think again back in the day whenever they need something like new,
the new york or whatever its is is there that they were just being lazy,
picking up a genuine name for the town and i really liked it or does the new york on the east coast and its people were kissing your bosses ass yes because it’s virgin ya man is.
You know new york thank.
Which i guess part of it to was they were trying to do and if a different new name because it was originally new amsterdam english pocket so right.

[3:29] But yeah there’s a lot of stuff on the east coast that is like you george george george you know how to break rate.
What lot of ass kissing and you see actually here in south dakota where we’re at two cuz almost every other town in the state is name for our railroad executive orders like family member or something like that is.
That’s the in other all these little towns like the one i grew up in washington it’s a little water station in one everything they need one every ten miles in a day started right,
what setting changes steam know eventually for the because the westin hills and the,
there’s a whole world that we can acquire is the history of that right let’s get back to our it’s got blocked and bro no not you it’s me i’m just changing boy over here.

[4:15] So
The other thing is that gray fryers predates the that area new town because prefers itself was established sometime in the fifties sixties i think is very impressive i mean obviously stuff existed before we were born but the fact still soul on.
Yeah lol it’s it’s like the eddie izzard jack where he talks about how.
In europe it’s like everything is history this just history history everywhere that’s only goddamn castles you just drive take forever to use the driver all the goddamn cast loose and.
Thirty six in like and then it then you got the united states were there like.

[4:54] Tara to its like this buildings a hundred years old tarot there was no one alive,
that’s pretty much can i bills and his with footballs like there’s anything old like there down one,
when i preserve history screw that person is america no see the history if its still the building is still works and nails from it anyways,
yup standing.
Tangent fullest full of plate handed some ice headed there speaking of bloody tensions.
One of the most famous ghost and feature probably of this graveyard is levi mckenzie now bloody mackenzie is.
Basically a very active pull for christ.
That people believe that is george mackenzie was buried in the cemetery to call them panty pop culture christ he said to be one of the most aggressive active paranormal figures around,
no during his lifetime as a ruthless persecute or scottish cup enters calendars are gonna come up in a big way later here.
A presbyterian move in the seventeenth century mackenzie spirit according to legend was released in nineteen ninety nine so it started.
Your reports to go back further but it definitely like.
Apparently really took off starting the two thousands cuz this a nineteen eighty nine a homeless man looking for a spot to sleep during a storm.
Broke into the mausoleum and slept inside of an absolutely call the black mostly on would you break into a place called the black muzzle em and that’s a really good idea.

[6:31] Of all places it is really what am i drunk or high where you at.
I know this is a material goods loses no sleep by the black monthly and not scary.
That’s how for from start will you you really didn’t sleep with hundreds wilson as a teacher why does he to me what are you doing here.

[6:53] We should the service was great i mean like how does that even work did you like slide in and like push the bones over i mean fuck man that’s just crack open it didn’t.
Is something broken window yeah houses in mostly in part i just.

[7:10] I’m being silly what was you gonna do that for you might as well get into the coffee is already here nobleman’s you remind me really itunes really,
no bones about it seriously but the funeral,
even profound skeptics filter neary sometimes terrifying presence in the grave for us kirk yard,
many come away convinced that there is something there even if they are unwilling to accept it is a poltergeist.
Well documented paranormal phenomenon the world hundreds of people claim to front counter the unpleasant spirit said to be the ghost of george mckenzie.
Weather nice otherwise known as bloody mckenzie yep okay it.
Got multiple party oh your fine he even before the incident with the homeless person a year ago even before the incident with the homeless person the poltergeist was leaving his mark on visitors to the sterile to the derelict volts under southbridge.
Scores of people on coast tours in the vault reported being scratched pushed and trampled.
There’s even an account of one eleven year old boy was sent to come.
Out of the tour with long bloody scratches down his arm how many visitors have subtly fell cold and have.
Scores have fainted on the two hours now i don’t know about that because.

[8:37] I think that and this is this is just my opinion based off of.
One article that i’ve read on line when harry potter and the chamber of secrets came out it in theaters there’s this there’s this scene in there where ron is picking up slugs.
And that scene gross out people in la that area of the world where talking like london’s calling my that area.
To people or either bombing in theaters are head or fainting and leaving so people are fainting like.
I don’t know just like i think people me because we cost each other than like that is just what pressure in one of the scotland you’re all be calling you at when.
Just kidding i have never been there and then creature absolutely totally other than the ghosts than it does the same thing was wondering if it was just lake.
Part of their culture overheating is more acceptable and all knowing more expected that but actually i think it could tie-in that that.
If you’re on a ghost tour and they keep building up and building up and building up for this is spooky this is spooky all man.
Gonna see ghost in the spooky two more to take you through a.
Yeah i think your your mind a lot more susceptible to it like being jumpy and it frightened as if you have little starter something like that maybe fate yeah and with the kid.

[10:12] I am just like will this is it eleven year old kid so it’s like you could use tripped he could’ve been climbing on something even when climbing rates lord knows rights and mean how many times i.
Hit myself in and will liam’s are oh shit i’m bleeding.
I like that too early security makes sure who’s robert angier where he is he doing in source tree also list some scientific background to,
i would just like to say that the gas to the finest coors online tax and going through a.
Oh my god it’s so dangerous yeah this is the steam punk lake mind trap there basically in.

[10:54] Okay let’s see it and one thing i will ask is that.
Like sources on this actually acts like a local like national newspapers scotland’s like based and bro that call the scotsman is.
Hey the actually did like a whole list of light hearted things at burris flexible city answers of like that but they gave this one,
the mackenzie porter guys they gave it five out of five for like believe ability how much they could confirm of people’s stories and almost all the other ones were like,
three hundred five to five for the review for five this was the only this was the top like this is the one that we can like basically everything you for our is true,
senseless can it was gonna be one of my saved questions for leaders like when i said this is the most haunted like what scale earning basic.
Yeah and that throws me off a little bit too but i guess it’s you know it’s probably part partially booster is in marketing right decision is one thing.
Nice cup of coffee was okay.
Yup but it seems like this one is very them the poltergeist and you know obviously apple devices,
is a type of girls were they like making noise or the black new physical objects stuff like that very active yeah there there are more active in the physical world most.
Pulled over and you know is like spirit yeah porter geist.

[12:25] And it basically german it’s noisy noisy spirit.

[12:31] Oh so yeah yeah wasn’t happening soon okay became so common that will organizers of the tumors even talk to offering a full refund to visor is there something spooked.
Which is.

[12:45] That’s an easy way to get your money back so those tears also a good morning take the tell all the people saying this is what i spaces for real that’s true that’s very true yeah collecting it will tiny.

[12:59] Movies plays and magic shows where they be like those with weak constitutions leave the theater are beautifully and our.
Do i always have that one asshole like i’m fine really fine it happens booking number out with.

[13:16] So it after rocking these two was cracked open their settlement numbers in incidents bleeding level in spirit.
We covered that psychic investigators a television cameras arrived in.
In two thousand three the house of the organizer of the ghost tours caught fire and all the papers the collected about bloody mackenzie were destroyed which.
Can’t just be a house fire wall but it is in its a coincidence it is ceo as a circumstantial but it has definitely fall into the well in seventy case we’re looking circumstantial piling up yeah.
I know i had relatives who was very very spiritual or religious and believes that one of us is they took an.
I was basically exist because every house they took him into the burn down ball handling sounding as we are in like two.
And like a meeting and lunch is really.
Cares reschedule that money for something to possibly and there is possible there’s little bit of neglect their you know that is not paying as close attention as they should be ready but there’s also.
I mean with the kids singer nothing’s happening house of veal of fire burns out right from yeah like see this fire started just after,
take the blue makes me think of my all time is a bit of a tangent my all time favorite family guy joke is.

[14:49] The episode with the with the british people take over the pub and.

[14:54] So lois investigating cuz the the the bridge be bought the pub and then.
It like immediately burned down so that i can see her in this insurance adjuster investigating and i like going to the guys office and they find documents and most like my god he taco.
He took three different insurance policies and its way more than the bar is worth and it’s like.
Insurance adjuster says that only ice axel of those policies and she’s like well did you get suspicious when the barbara down right away right after release policies.
He’s like no actually it happens all the time and many discuss this like selling the fee it looks like.

[15:41] I am an idiot oh my god that one.
What was that again that was family guy family guy right not known for its new ones comedy but that that will be like what happens all the.

[15:57] My favorite is the load is my favorite family guy one is because couple were here is saying he never.
Four until he was in his thirties is present what tell that yeah that was that was a good one doesn’t have been having a really good bit that he is a low tolerance for for alcohol and he to the lip of a lick of,
butter rum ice cream cone and half of a separate gift from where did you go on forever affiliates,
that’s that’s awesome but it’s really not that far when i remember when yeah well was supposed to in this.
Yeah or anything when i was with anyway yeah sorry no no i’m okay.
Some people people have been on the greater two hours after merger with scratches talking to for broken fingers like i said some people collapsed and there’s one account that.
I’m not sure if this was from the i believe this was from the scotsman i found this one that there was a family that claims that one of their members it going mad after visiting the the churchyard which you know.
With the complex issues with mental health and stuff like that and then claiming and there’s no way to follow up on him like yeah.
But still it’s like you know if anything were trouble with like why did you take them to fix this place have raise her take them into a place that’s so awful that is exacerbated in the.

[17:31] But this is interesting and kinda like goes against the whole world are just doing this for publicity re.
He got so dangerous at one point that the amber of city council seal off your panties grave and the church are two hours were cancelled.
But reports of strange happenings in the area continued.
Today there have been while four hundred and fifty documented attacks jesus is the any and this is where we can that mountain of circumstantial at least a hundred and forty people have collapsed which.

[18:05] You know i believe that you had a handful year that would collapse for yeah from the height great but.
Do hundreds of people that is that just from like where’s in from of me two thousand one to leave this one was like from two thousand six,
to today.
So the crap yeah and there’s even been suggestions that the spirit may be responsible for one death here’s the account that he in two thousand and amber a psychic medium name calling grant attempted exorcism of the churchyard is one pic of.
Would pick a fight i guess is he said he was picking up evil forces and refused to enter the graveyard without a bible across grant we all without.
Oh no did that that start okay can as are you from grant told us family to the church work guard was home to two hundred and happy spirits he believe them to be the cover enters that add.
Been held there and starve to death he said that there are there was more to be done it gray fryers but two months later at the age of sixty six he died suddenly of a massive heart attack which.

[19:15] Sixty six especially nowadays is not that will not happen but it’s totally but still not legally possible it’s still highly possible rate.

[19:24] But in those mystery mentioned that people were starved to death here so did i mention that this was once a concentration camp on the same grounds,
you mad but i’m serious okay so here’s the story of the commenters prison which is on the site.
Let’s see in the coming enters on again and their history little bit see understand some context about why this happened to.
Okay so they started a rebellion that broke out in sixteen seventy nine and after unexpected success of a group of commenters armed with pitchforks alike against government forces led by john graham.

[20:02] Of copper house at the battle of drum cog four times already looked in.
Danger of losing control the south and west of scotland as more and more people joined the rebel camp at bothwell near glasgow but only a few weeks after the drum club victory the rebels were defeated at the battle of both will break.
Which buffalo prayer is important because this is the battle that the love is pure w’s are gonna come from the cup well rebels is made covers prison was can’t.
Was connected to great price per carat the stone gateway and lot with the metal gate near the mackenzie mausoleum.
It was once home to a estimate twelve hundred unfortunate members of the failed revolution.
They stay there in the winter of sixteen seventy nine through sixteen eighty conditions at the prison were so brutal.
That only two hundred fifty seven of those twelve hundred made it out alive cheeses yeah.
I was looking at some images of the best places to get a contact of like how large it is only and i have a lot of great photos i found of the correct are the sites were talking about will be included in the channels.
This period of repression of governors and the downfall of their religious class in scotland actually became known as the killing time is.
The weather is reading that could you imagine people on the news just be like well killing amy minute we are in a war of terror you now purge.

[21:43] For a.

[21:47] Let’s see and you know the government during this killing time they really were persecuting coven occurs all over the country,
there are reports the government officials were so aren’t and the persecution that and a quote here from book called kilometers the fifty years of struggle.
If a store is learned that are murdered covenant error had been given a decent burial their bodies were usually dissenters and buried in place is reserved for thieves and malcontents.
What are often the corpse was changed or beheaded first and burying the body in the courtyard could result in another punitive death.
It’s so messed up but the doesn’t kill you but like.
We have your body and then like only leave your body in the place where they throw criminal buddy’s thing but i don’t know why would you hang in the head them again.
Is already dead play it’s a religious war just pure hatred is what you sell off all fucked yeah that’s so crazy.
So you know refers kirk yard is also has something that’s kind of unique to this graveyard,
you know like i said at the beginning this is crossroad for all sorts of weird is noisy these are called more safes and what these are is the air typical leasing all cemeteries.
Are and sorry typical of most cemetery security card stone angels and cool figures and stuff like that and tombstones so expect to see a graveyard but.

[23:23] The courtyard has a particularly strange thing that you’re gonna see a lot of that is these imposing metal grills the cover over the top of graves.
It looks like the grave is like locked in a cage and nothing its picture in our lives looks like the berry the shark cage on the ground but didn’t buried all the way so that the top part of the top part of the cage itself is on the ground.
So what happened here is that in the early eighteen hundreds the university of and burrows prestigious medical studies programs flourishing.
The spark in inadvertent underground trading corpses stolen by body snatchers and sold to the local students.

[24:03] Soon when are the new furious practice because it was so profitable became an epidemic to prevent these entrepreneur’s for making off.
With their loved ones families with protect the grace by boxing them and large iron cages call more safe that ran deep into the ground so apparently those like run all the way.
What that’s a good description area of a shark cage are very half of the ground we just get is hanging idea of and the bars on them look like.
I mean this isn’t something like even if they brought like a horse and wagon into the graveyard electron pull it off you would get it but it’s crazy tough.

[24:41] What’s the whole point is lent you don’t not able to break into.
The light your love to your loved ones you know the upgrade if so that the pictures insufficient yeah.
So there you’ll see me another pretty creepy.

[24:59] Cool cuz pc and use you think like to where they were the corpse to come back and i can eastern europe where they find bodies were a metal and iron steak is driven through the heart of course yeah facts right yes.
So you know not everything with the grief is kirk yard is all like doom and gloom and course cages.

[25:21] That there’s a popular story in the graveyard of grey friars bobby,
for the last hundred forty years and noble looking bronze sc skye terrier has stood guard outside the grounds and watch over the kirk yard it bro.
Emperor’s have championed the story of grey fryers bobby a loyal dog this dude stood vigil over his deceased owners gray for fourteen years until his death at which point he was buried near,
his beloved master’s plot which i heard this story i’m like i wonder if this was the inspiration for the dressing park episode from.
From futurama where the dog wait for fri forever all so loose in a super sad.

[26:09] This handsome dog.
That the stories memorial light skin books and movies by historians now say that while the pup existed his extended morning was probably a fabricated marketing ploy by the local cemetery curator.
And a nearby restaurant owner to encourage tourism.
Most likely stick around for all the free food and tension he got from visitors when i mean yeah yes when i lose my job source of income on the street to story land never left this place.
People come see me and just forget everything.
That’s it that’s billion with a girl ago i kinda did the nails people bring me breakfast and lunch and.
And ow to put a great let’s cuddle like this this yo he’s an idiot like me actually is.
This is a tangent but they actually they have a problem with in rural areas they have these like snake charmer isn’t guys can levitate stuff like that the do basically many performances but basically say it’s because they’re holy man.
And they are blessed by a dvd or something like that and so i saw this thing about the indian government sending these teams to sign of like,
researchers and stuff into these world enders it villages and showing them the tricks and showing them how it’s done because it’s become this like cottage industry in india to rip off these with these rural villages to show up and you know.
Levitate in front of them or something like that to district in there like always so holy and blessed lady stay here for a month and giving free room board and stuff like that.

[27:44] This week on money out of people and it’s because like becoming an epidemic and there’s a lot of people who like or still have la from those areas don’t really.
Practicing scales house i lose i perform for that is to say like you make a lot of money rec’d from you make a lot of money would.
Yeah i’m not travelling israel is you that’s the difference yeah.

[28:10] Um let’s see so set me up start run for food and what not.
This is the other thing i had no idea about for a first for karen until i researched for this podcast was that this is the graveyard that.
Let’s see fans of harry potter books might recognize a name or two on the grave stones of grey fryers kirk yard one promise stone which has become pilgrimage site for potter fans bears the name thomas riddle,
how did that happen all j came rolling with has previously said that the tombstone of thomas riddle esquire,
in the famous courtyard may have subconsciously been the inspiration for voldemort to name since she often took stroll through that pass that exact spot which is overlooked by,
the elephant house cafe where she wrote several of the books.
So how can she say subconscious well okay then the navy blue is actually spelled different me plus almond,
any ideas any damage done this before re watch is consume so much information and so you know and then eventually you come up with a story and it’s until after the fact that all,
is it was inspired by my surroundings system like i’ve done that.

[29:27] At cost so i read that was different like oh yeah that’s my son and it makes sense to me that you would know for sure i’d like.
Bro i remember seeing it as possible as it is it will make no breaks right let’s see.

[29:42] And then the nearby gravestone of william yeah will poet william madonna call.
Is it all mechanical sorry is also said to have offered inspiration for the name of professor madonna call the head of griffin door.

[30:00] While nearby george harriet school is claimed to be the template for hogwarts and i haven’t seen a picture of the school but there’s a lot of people claim that it looks a lot like.
My card works and am looking at right now cuz that was all i haven’t been in a c or fridge.

[30:18] Okay exposure to our,
she xp weather it’s the ri.
Three hundred.

[30:33] It’s mr like really hungry three hundred forty.
Forty yeah it is okay little more square than hogwarts but other than that definitely me and that’s a movie interpretation of what of what they think it should look like not you know.
That’s pretty cool place i never receive will yeah the screen so i wanna go to school there.

[31:01] I’m not sure the girls will there probably most likely.

[31:05] Just sign on what we all want to be an elementary kid again and does all we have to worry about is getting a paper turned in and just go home and eat and sleep for free and yeah lol man.

[31:18] What is he who know all day pass,
raise your truck as long as the new ceo of yeah i’d like a brother to six as a single mom for like eight days.
And he had no homework on this so i have to sign his assignment no because of the thing now we have to prove that,
i checked his home were verifying that he is his work so i did my job as a parent he did his job as the student and so my friend of mine from high school she’s actually his home room teacher says i think right lol,
play notes everyday nice distances in my name and he calls her by her,
name like mrs lewis and mrs smith and it has a name as and i’m just like you mean mary,
and he’s like no it isn’t makes a very late payment of part time of the so and the pork if a man and then yeah,
he also ugly cried about,
not being able to post something on instagram because case you use that term like must a been on facebook in mission with this ugly cry where you are crying and rolling and not as a is,
you just so overcome with so much emotion you can we can you just use look ugly and so.

[32:41] It’s okay he is terrible is all control.
He is giving advice and you’ll spend as much time as he wants on his device and he is dead to the world that you can tell him anything lol pay you will pay attention to sell,
to help restrict the time he gets on his devices and the internet on my parents bought this device called the circle,
as a device that’s market of a disney and was feels kickstarter project but then disney picked up so what is basically.
Sleek of the fire wall of sorts that you plug in ti throughout your outer you determine like who can have internet access and who can’t okay and if your.
If you are devices are doesn’t mean that the child device then you can mr how much time they get when when when the can and cannot be on the internet like you can be in the internet past midnight youre yeah,
and other restrictions to a lake on you cant see like a doll type content which extends,
far beyond just being yelled at like you can’t really porn sites that is more like i can’t see john oliver videos on you tube so it’s that it’s and with the help there because when i was there and,
my phone got played the child has to but he is so big and the jet so i couldn’t,
the last week with john oliver which really bummed me out and then my internet got shut off of ninety five.

[34:17] What is the only color in florida like it to me the fuck up as it needs evening is like what for like,
are you kidding me my keys so much for looking out recipes i can make dinner and then check my e-mail is like,
that’s in digit will give you access it guys from the power is the one you need to allow up the internet so yeah i was so screwed up so you is he,
what was the picture to instagram and it was getting close to the end of his power of his time he have allowed for the day and got,
kick off,
and how many ways so that he could not share this picture of him and his friend that his show choir concert and,
this is the only relevant like to thank all the everybody knows that will this is,
thirteen and he was a mess thirteen any serious content will be re,
yes jesus christ was it was really actually wanted me raising i mean down yeah i just can’t is his age it’s you notice there’s a bunch of other for,
actors but yeah he was so so upset that he could not post this picture to instagram and is thinking well you should’ve thought of it earlier.

[35:48] And for sure you didn’t so is this is what happens if i don’t necessarily agree with that wasn’t even when he’s on netflix and when it into an hour so he’s like oh to have episodes of the office um like.
What’s the address give you the d to work remind me that was my life from the,
he’s so sorry you need a hug or all of has ridges used by people and it just above my internet usage my parents so.

[36:21] That sucks man yeah so i should as i civilization doesn’t like i’m looking for a mom of really make,
yeah the one in the white that good good the only one hundred degrees in trouble substances are moving across international borders of gonna be on the streets of bangkok six hours and,
is mom cat nicaraguan uncle is here so what was relieving back to it,
all of the martin school indian school in the am so so i don’t know and i can’t curious though on.
Like what other pple turkeys.
Across like is that just an idiot like the united states and important is do crazy shit you hear stories about stuff but and then there are videos out there that are disturbing on you too if you search form but.

[37:21] This one is particularly active and i’m not use to what really stands out in this case to me is.
The violence is usually horrible forgot it is usually that’s one thing when i was looking i was in my sisters like oh ghosts what is i mean everyone scared of it but was actually due to other than stand over yeah well.
It’s like they just creep you out of this this ghost is like it wants to fucking play be you down mother fucker yeah any friends you can device in the red one account that.
I couldn’t get it so they can confirm it but it was just like the only place i solve this story referenced but there was one to where guide that claims that.
Mackenzie is actually a gentleman to ladies and will.

[38:13] Will gently push women aside and then attack then in the group so it’s usually men that attacked lol.
If that psychic death.
Is related to send me out to the poltergeist and make more sense that’s interesting that you won’t cordless you saying i’m safe if i go there it sounds like not from the fainting or passing out now the.
But it sounds like women generally are the ones that get like beat right rate.
Cuz i know it is like c for free being according to the chocolate factory instead of what do the tourist business,
what’s the coco gear,
being from supernatural entity or could have anything else besides you can probably still two of the greatest and is don’t do ghost tours any longer cuz yeah yeah some of them is with selected to evict me the photos,
taken during the day or just corel had so beautiful and has a history nerd on light during all this stuff and there are some pictures the actual.

[39:22] Prison yard them with a pickup the people in the ass like the old stone buildings are still there stuff like that st cool slash creepy but yeah.
That’s very intense that’s awesome maybe one day we’ll visit scotland that at ten and at murray,
if i go though the last in my hair apparel for lol yeah the last night my william wallace world is it’s like.
This place is like in proximity when i was researching this this castle or of like will this castle was used by william wallace are this castle was help,
still by the british occupied but william wallace’s from the on just above or fourteen well you know.

[40:07] And like alot of sites that are famous for stuff that robert the bruce didn’t think that robert the bruce.
The king of the base were getting stalled by the actions of all of.
They if you remember the movie braveheart all l o okay i understand that i am closer.

[40:34] The light is not working well what’s funny is historically robert the bruce isn’t much were.
What think your if you actually look at the documents of he was the film braveheart that turn william wallace’s into the elevator builder i.
Which is why a lot of people it’s controversial in the movie that.
Walla walla sweets turnover by robert the bruce is part of the the steamer every trace and insurance crown and.
That there are leaks dollars that’s a that’s what happened in there schoolers that’s not what happens like that but that’s the with of film crew went with yeah and now.
So that movie doesn’t do a lot of people feel like it doesn’t do movie far.
To service robert bruce because he goes on in the fighting like a much bigger war with the british after that and ends up being the one that actually like makes stalin country system ac holding.
Exactly right for a sequel and you know what the world needs travis worse equals through the sharing holes.
This is true this is equals how i knew he was given a civil alright into the third installment.
Your ego water the second movie trilogies usually like the best one here answers all the little.
Until she it first usually i’m origin stories.

[42:02] Yeah why an origin story saying i like.
I like telling the whole story and so i like cool stories i like origin stories and can i just say that the very beginning will.
Here’s do i like history so we talked and story if it’s like.
These are the factions in this is how it got started saying stuff like that then that oranges are in good with but i hate the like the tv show gotham style orders story where to slay were working like.
You know coming of age story yeah that’s and that’s a deep dive i don’t like the dive coming of age kind of like you know what me,
batman that will not listed the most recent breach movie in the making another one now but in the jim carrey one drove me nuts that,
i’d like the grinch is the bridge i don’t need,
right thirty forty minute explanation of his background about how we was teased as a kid and so yeah yeah this is tedious.
So when you are researching more about the seventh george mckenzie like his back story.
I mean do you find much about him i i didn’t look much past the fact that he was definitely part of the government forces that were cracking down the television covenant or say,
and so yeah he probably to place a lot of the atrocities that you know we would describe where he was.
Probably like he’s probably one of the guys like dug up bodies and help painter at all so now and then explain to me what the coventry was worried and.

[43:40] So computers are like a branch of presbyterian is okay oh okay and.
Specifically in this instance it seems like it’s all of the fact that they’re presbyterians and then they are.
Both that and a political movement where is you had the establishment which.
I think in scotland at the time that i’m slot of history here i think they were catholic at this point cuz this is after the english revolution and.
So i think we’re getting really close to when in when starting later emerged become in you know oh united kingdom or pretty fascia that’s that’s what i’m looking for and so.
There’s a lot of like.
People trying to let you could have a bonnie ship prince charlie rebellion either plate with this or shortly after like it at the white.
Few decades after words um yeah it’s so basically using them as not the right.
Religion is the right time in this stupid religious wars that you’re a as far as lee.
Because it’s like all the sudden you came came in and he was either catholic or different protestant or weight gain only or puritan i think that’s what it ties into because of the english revolution being so close i’m guessing that.
Stalin being controlled by england and england was being run by puritans.

[45:12] That maybe that’s what why they were persecuted oh i see how can this and so is so it’s like you have.
Does the spanish who are establishment and.
Cracking down on the wall.
Loyalist to actual identity of an independent scotland who are different religion and stuff like that and then we have religious fucks up a lot of shit.
If the bullshit is but it’s also i mean i had a friend one time who was like just all it does is cause working right now and now it’s that’s not it at all either cuz he.
The thing is when we look at any religious conflict you’re also going to find.

[46:02] So ceo or economic or political thing as well break is set to the coming years and this is one of those stupid religious wars.
But there’s also legitimate like an independent scotland vs scotland is basically a puppet for england going on here so,
which one of these is the real driver for the common man maybe the latest thing is driver for their leadership maybe other things right for me and everything in between.
It’s not it’s not just religion or just politics both exactly yeah.

[46:33] Let me see those that refers to your the most haunted cemetery in the world.
Although i don’t know if this was the most hundred one cuz like i said they claim it there’s one that will cover down the road in chile i’m going to that is super super freaky hearted in the middle of the desert and.
White people don’t it’s basically like no man’s land and will tell you all about the future chapter so.
Yeah thank you for listening to my copper more now it’s after five that was chapter five know what for.
Set before chapter four and once again don’t forget to support us on patria on if you wanna think is in your queue don’t wanna pay money are you don’t.
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 3 Dreams

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 3 Dreams

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


Dream interpretation is the process of assigning meaning to dreams. In many ancient societies, such as those of Egypt and Greece, dreaming was considered a supernatural communication or a means of divine intervention, whose message could be interpreted by people with these associated spiritual powers.

In modern times, various schools of psychology and neurobiology have offered theories about the meaning and purpose of dreams. Most people currently appear to interpret dream content according to the Freudian theory of dreams in countries, as found by a study conducted in the United States, India, and South Korea.


One of the earliest written examples of dream interpretation comes from the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh dreamt that an ax fell from the sky. The people gathered around it in admiration and worship. Gilgamesh threw the ax in front of his mother and then he embraced it like a wife. His mother, Ninsun, interpreted the dream. She said that someone powerful would soon appear. Gilgamesh would struggle with him and try to overpower him, but he would not succeed. Eventually, they would become close friends and accomplish great things. She added, “That you embraced him like a wife means he will never forsake you. Thus your dream is solved.


In ancient Egypt, priests acted as dream interpreters. Hieroglyphics depicting dreams and their interpretations are evident. Dreams have been held in considerable importance through history by most cultures.


Dreams can occur anytime during sleep. But most vivid dreams occur during deep, REM (rapid eye movement) sleep when the brain is most active. Some experts say we dream at least four to six times per night.


Studies have shown the importance of dreams to our health and well-being. In one study, researchers woke subjects just as they were drifting off into REM sleep. They found that those who were not allowed to dream experienced:

Increased tension
Difficulty concentrating
Lack of coordination
Weight gain
Tendency to hallucinate


Many experts say that dreams exist:

Help solve problems in our lives
Incorporate memories
Process emotions
If you go to bed with a troubling thought, you may wake with a solution, or at least feel better about the situation.

Sigmund Freud believed dreams are a window into our subconscious. He believed they reveal a person’s:

Unconscious Desires




Macabre Grimoire is a podcast of paranormal and mystery exploration. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you’re a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.

Machine Transcript

[0:26] They are very welcome to convert one chapter three today we’re talking about dream interpretation of dreams.

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[0:45] Hello.

[0:46] Music.

[0:55] When you marooned is seth super worn.
Wow thank you have the x and the really good thinking.
So everybody have you and get into your stuff for the natural though and i’ll if nobody objects i need to jump right into just a little bit of background for everybody before we get into the actual dream interpretation here,
dream interpretation is the process of assigning meaning to dreams in many ancient societies such as those of egypt increase dreaming was considered a supernatural communication r means divine intervention.

[1:35] I was message could be interpreted by people with these associated spiritual powers.
In modern times various schools of psychology and neuro biology have offered theories about the meaning and purpose of dreams.
Most people currently appear to interpret dream content according to forty in theory of dreams this is based on a study conducted in united states in the south korea.
Amazing to freud influence like that far out but i mean yeah it’s like is the foundation for all psychology so is that make sense we spent a lot of time on dreams.

[2:08] Let’s see one of the earliest written examples of dream interpretation comes from the babylonian epic of gilgamesh which has made of reference before is like one of the oldest human stories that we have that,
that made it to modern times illustrated and acts fell from the sky people gathered around it in at duration worship.
Gilgamesh through the acts in front of his mother and then he embraced at like a wife his mother,
mean son interpreted the dream she said that someone powerful with soon appear gilgamesh would struggle with him and try to over power him but he would not succeed eventually they would become close friends and accomplish great things she added.
That you embraced him like a wife means that you will he will never for sake you that’s the dream is solved.
And if you know the epic of gilgamesh they’re talking about enkidu his plate best friend like to you know those two are like batman and superman words like they’re gonna like fight at first and then they come together and there like basically the batman superman of babylonian all.
So it is in clearly a reference to a new.
Is that you you will find out we see the men is an electrical does it usually involves me temple prostitutes is the.
Six your marriage okay for the rest oh well played well played sir.

[3:39] Speaking in ancient egypt preece after this dream interpreters hieroglyphics depicting dreams and their interpretations are evident.
Dreams are held a considerable importance in heat throughout history it by most cultures.
I’m getting a little bit into the the science of dreams dreams can occur at any time during sleep but the most vivid dreams occur during ram or rapid eye movement sleep.
When the brain is most active some experts say that we dream at least four to six times per night i have heard that.

[4:13] Studies show me importance of dreams to our health and wellbeing in one study researchers what subjects up just as they were drifting off into rem sleep.
They found that those who are not allowed to dream which,
jesus christ yeah plan that exuberance asshole is that sounds like the beginning of a creepy pastas it will take with your dreams like its phone at a blood saying cassette tape when of like,
swimming hole in the ground that was the laboratory is rates yeah,
he is what is and isn’t a creepy pasta but up in these actual studies,
here’s what i found the not being able to dream causes increase tension anxiety depression difficulty.
Lack of coordination weight gain and at the fun one a tenancy to loose a,
because this immediately makes me think of the episode of star trek the next generation way back in the day of where they all get infected with something that makes the can dream so all the episode the key,
i mean it was like super creepy like waking dreams or hallucinations of the worst one was the,
did they pick it up from doing this like recovery operation were like a hole in the colonists at night so she’s in this hangar with all these bodies covered in blankets.
And she just like looks up from the one she’s working with or whatever and they’re all the stuff still covered but they’re all sitting up by all of them i probably saw that and was like,
ten was without air and that is scared the shit like royal in that was star trek which is living g tv show though is but that’s the vein of figuring out that was the cause was that none of them to dream.

[5:55] We can’t reach rem sleep in so the world of slowly going insane it was causing the accidents all the shipping was nations from.
Let’s see many experts say that dreams this to help solve problems in our lives incorporate memories process emotions.
And stay help you if you go to bed with trouble thought you may wake with the solution or at least feel better about the situation no going back to what freud said about dreams.
He believed that dreams reveal people’s unconscious desires their hidden thoughts and motivations.
Basically he talk like they were expression of all the stuff that you want to do what you really wanna do but can’t because society won’t let you share progress.
Yeah there’s a my dreams are clearly not that was apparently i wanted like explorer like really creepy shit yeah rainy life.
Well i do most of hot gas that’s creepy shit arabia.
The dreams park hold it might soften and that’s all of that.
Is michael and i was going to do that to my psychology degree the consensus was about trimming is that is basically just your brain filtering out.
You know the crap that you go through the draft day is evidence of and i seen in like my own dreams about okay that’s what this is but why did filter it that way take what is wrong with my filter that has the you know sorted.

[7:32] And then but then there’s also do that just like the fuck c,
when is no list to the strength of the wake up and you’re just like what the boss lady in do i to connect with what use is.
I dreamed i was on a vampire and.
Actually drinking people’s blood and i have no interest in vampire they didn’t bulbs the twilight series i mean that might cause that the vampires probably light buffet the vampire slayer notice when time.
Was it washing and had a honey to wash that that was honestly i had no reference for this.
And is like okay filter with ron late what is going on here than the other stuff to worry get visitation dreams you now.
And what’s the visitation so visitation dreams are win eleven who is crossover will visit you in a dream and the dreams are creepy,
well yes no so it depends on the content of the dream because sometimes it really isn’t them but then the other times he really is them and you’ll know that it’s that it’s a visitation dream because it’ll feel.
It’ll feel very real you be able to have an actual conversation like you’ll be able to.
Ask the question the one asking have a conversation the one half it’ll feel like the middle smell like then it’ll.

[9:07] It’ll like just envelope almost your whole senses,
i had my first visitation dream when i was eighteen my great grandfather had passed away and my parents are going through a rough divorce i was hacked going in senior high schools i have a bunch of stress article hyman life well.
I’ve been crying myself to sleep for and how many nights in a row and then just there’s very upset all the las vegas was the first person that a little closer than they actually passed cell.
I have a dream with him in it where i.
Eighth get from my bed in my bedroom and walk into the living room and he’s laying down on the couch almost like its a simulated funeral home all over again which kinda freaked me out and i was like.
What is this and display and just pulls all hearing how’s it going on like.
Is this real or is it you cuz yachts israel fall on my deck while your dead though but.
Where are you right now and he just like won’t little difficult to say where i’m at right now and i tell anthony to work through but i just want you to know that you’re happy so sad about the time but that’s okay you can you can line.
And i’m like but i really miss you i don’t know what to do and he’s like they don’t worry about it just pray you know this focus on happier things and you’ll start to feel better and sell.

[10:38] I was like okay and i traded more information from him about where exactly it was he because and will.
I thought for sure he’d heaven or purgatory or something like that for use of dreaming me did you know you were during all that i was injured during this and then.
And his body he was very vega i couldn’t get an answer out of him so is eventually just his her drop the issue and the music will you know it’s time to go now so mike okay well i love you and then i woke up immediately.
And my aunt hired bedrooms mel like him i need.
Super strong smell where i was late what is email it in i don’t have anything of his in my room shirt so it was just like i couldn’t.
He only went out i try to figure out where this whole coming from that was so intense and then i was able to go back to sleep while.
I went so i was there when i have a slab on obviously the listeners that tickets will that make him and i was working in the school office as one of the existing secretaries and so,
the preset and the teachers at all filter every office through the author of a period and one day with our school priest came into the office and i was like hey,
access is question because i did not to go to meet you somewhere by that your dad great grandfather talk to who you go to go your cat that you go your priest do you figure it out and.

[12:11] And ask them about it,
and he uses a this is a dream is nobody on display for you do you like flying.
Moment and your husband has bullshit like.
No way would break up the time of day he was a two minute conversation and music is,
at the little jaded gonna say line of your excuse me i have to go before his ritual from skynet think i was the gas so,
i really talk to bunch of other people and discuss talk with more people at the age of eighteen and nineteen i found that,
people who have visitation green and then i had a little more research into it news since like no one has a genuine experience,
did is a graph is that wasn’t fully the experience i wanted but it was the best that happened so so yeah so visitation is there.
I’ve only ever had two that i know of that one and i have the other one so so yeah isn’t it doesn’t happen very slowly,
three sorry she’s okay soppy size will always on have anything together it’s basically like a committee that meets like every stain.
Can we talk about one of two not like the frequency of which i have a very far apart but not the pronoun do we have a fantasy football league with.

[13:46] Well i was in the dream is what i should he.
But i was so i was reading about this news book i read called the.
Journey of our souls and it is not a nickel destiny of our souls is both written by dr michael newton who’s sa psychologists and he’s been past life regression on his patients and,
he acts accidentally regressing me to a soul level and so is it just the price of his books so he,
he paper dressing people to their solo he was able to find out more information any able to help them heal lake.
Yow old injuries and larry out of depression anxiety.

[14:32] Tyrell organ issues like basically things that happen than in past lives and now of trent having transmitted and occur in life those kind of the very fast even when they’re all he stays so it’s not just lay.
Some for for a medium regular people on this sunday the man science saying.

[14:51] I was just trying to help you relax and then using the start talking about past life from all a sudden it’s a reno doing past life regression to have a positive result and that’s the office after her anybody am items will,
continue doing it and i residues little and i don’t know what to do with the stuff i guess does that make it look so that the western,
can you explain what that means regressed someone to a soul level cousin as a new but i’m just totally like slightly kill them and bring them back i was like does he still have his memories so okay so,
we we all of butter all spirit with all her soul.
And when our souls have had many lives in so we need you a past life regression on somebody your taking them back to previous lifetime and when they do let well what’s.
What happens in the truck but you have in between time between linear soul a two in your soul be,
this is the last you’ll break room just like you go get yogurt or something and then come back what happens in that in between time when you’re not sold a reversal be your actually,
your your soul and your somewhere between and i people having people call it whatever you wanna call it so they there’s this whole sold round.
And that’s where you go to the with your social group you figure what your gonna put you’re gonna be in your next letter in the mail female if you’re going to universal group.

[16:25] He is over he has seniors over like this is all on.
So yeah thirty this’ll rumor has soulmate is not display is,
what people say so many of the prisoners was america’s actually you multiple soul mates where they is not just like person he marries also the person that the knowledge are friends with or are they your siblings with their,
email mother father whatever on.
What’s the point of this is is that dude in doing the solberg russians he found out that,
set alarm for a dream visitation to happen,
all of these elements have to be lined up just right your your stages sleep past the jesse reyna soul and if your vibration has to be just for a little so it’s that’s why it’s not working every day.
Current every night occurrence we’ll have a visitation dream that’s the profound whatever mean to sell.

[17:27] So so that’s,
but they didn’t under your ball but don’t let her dreaming the visitation tree i mean i’ve heard of people seeing dead people of dreams sir but no there was like a whole like,
saying in theory around and write and and i do whatever just make sure that your listeners know that if you your thing i alway hesitation the ones that really scared the shit out of me there is there are,
if it doesn’t come from a place of love and if it doesn’t come from a place of meaningful miss to then it’s not a visitation like it if you eleven the pain came back to you and their bleeding and screaming and crying does not,
it is not visitation very impressed that is amazing and that’s that’s not even that’s on them so.
Size one and makes that clear because of because i have had clients come to me and say like what my love when he was still hurting look mingles at nine on the other side,
they are healthy they’re holier sometimes are younger sometimes a fair he just do depends on but they have to deal with and their current lifestyle and is that’s.
What’s that sorry to whom or where learning is as.
Residence much about it so yeah and then you yell in your prophetic dreams and you have a pic.
Okay i’m not doing this.
Perfect thing doesn’t specifically mean you dream about something that hasn’t happened yet so screens is exactly that is usually on something that hasn’t happened yet a predicts something that’s to to come i would have prophetic dreams.

[19:09] Constantly when i was a kid and there is bullshit was those kids that leaving a very lake.
You know impactful life you know i would go about things are gonna happen the next day at school or sometimes i have only as it was a week and state.
On the playground exist in their by visual goal when i would see the scene unfold before my eyes and then come back and i would.
Then it will happen if you miss their sometimes days later his dependant cell.
So those are prophetic dreams and then you had a few of those when i was little yeah just like i don’t know what what was going on but it like i remember being at this one hospital fall.
And we were like waiting for a car for for mama because it when i was a kid was a common thing sounds interesting grandma to dialysis,
and we were little we just run along with flashing like i always tripped out here in for dialysis tuesday wednesday tuesday evening and i’m,
are the weather tuesday thursday or whatever and now i just it.
So i was like laying in the backseat but looking up out through the window and there was like a very distinct airplane going over head as a baby is more deja blue but i could swear.
That being cool looking up seeing that airplane travel through that window i could have sworn that like i had dreamed that before,
but it seems that exact same airplane in the exact same spot that i was laying down in the back of the car in this parking lot,
and yeah yeah sure that stage of work that’s because i don’t know i don’t remember the specific dream.

[20:44] At the time but i could have sworn it that that’s where i’d seen great yeah that’s that’s probably my vin diesel but a but i had instances where he,
i deserve so often.
That i was so sure i dreamt it so i started recording down my dreams because i need to prove to my parents that know all this was a dream that i had and this is how i know and.
I live i will record i never actually,
get off that happens you don’t have your dream travel with you entry level analyst happening fit soul but i was able to prove to myself that okay i’m not crazy i am actually dream these prophetic dreams and sell.
But i but i even deserve late.

[21:33] Handle anything that people do you have days of new videos of the people to perfectly in there that are very much these other fish moment so it took about,
prophetic dreams train visitation dreams there any other classes wish classifications of dreams should know about things funny things there’s also a quiet over there travis.
I’m taking it all in.
Are you a movie on dreams and space long as i remember ever having injury and allow really don’t.
I don’t think i sleep enough to have surgery it’s all that’s left is light,
your sleep cycle is just totally shot is not set is also a calzone with hearing classification there’s also.

[22:26] I mean there’s there’s nightmares i mean what i think we all have had there’s what else is there.
Any people talk about you don’t sleep paralysis that’s a completely different that was in the cover on a different be its own episode when we get to that right all recurring dreams.
Switch the streets of it’s winter i have a clear is when i was in high school is really turn it up like french kissing,
so i have one about believer in french kissing me and i was like it happened so,
often when i was just laid off making molecule in the living room when using only kiss using up a lot and then he was like oh so yeah they,
that was that was the weirdest referring to myra had an healing dreams signal dreams.
The signal dreams help you to how to solve problems or make decisions in your waking life.
Never had those all the trees holy crap i have everyone’s that i wanna make a new movie cuz it was just like.
Epic yes yeah so epic as in like you like lead an army on a distance like.
Son of a bitch i’m getting screwed in madrid apart they are okay so what is definition here is a pic dreams,
also you for it was great dreams cause my dreams or in new minas dreams are so huge so compelling and so did,
that you cannot ignore them the details of such dreams remain with you for years as if you just read that last night because of a couple of these days i have these dreams possess much beauty and contain many architectural some allergy.

[24:09] Wake up from such a dream you feel that you have discovered something profound or amazing about yourself or about the world it feels like a life changing experience experience yeah.
Well i don’t know about life changing experience that it definitely was like.
Don’t have way it is one of those dreams a driver when you know knots with because you talking about and it’s so hard to like talk to other people about dreams cuz no one can you know generally unless it’s something cool or creepy years after like where’s,
this cuz specific conversation about dreams then it’s like.
That’s okay whatever is left i can go to work on monday and be like i’ll have you got.
You’re about the stream had no what does that mean that oh yeah who was out here it.
Orders progressive dreams where dreams occur we have a sequence of dreams that continue over a period of nights i had this the do check the dream continues we left off on the previous night.
And sessions are problems all leaders help us were different options and various approaches to problems situation serious as like serial story telling.
Dude that is awesome yeah and new filter and seven between myself and my brother unusual to describe when two people have the same dream,
michigan’s maybe planned it mean that you can actively work for driven one dream scenario call it is a way to improve communication build trust and believe this program at the same time the dream the same dream my little brother and me.

[25:40] We both drank that like.
He was driving like basically he was driving a car he was like eight years old as he was a leader produces during and.
On his it so that there’s a traffic cop standing in the middle of a row directing traffic and has like that is so weird i had a dream that i was it,
traffic backed up in so you is why did you bring me the link self okay nice is it boring conversation that you brushing your teeth before going to school.
So yeah so yeah those are there old.
All false awakenings have you ever have those now only got i have their.
The fuck you what i dreamt this wonderful business what epic and i had it.
What’s the code to her okay and she says i can’t stand the after having already made that pretty clear by the courts to preference really and that was.

[26:48] They are now or something kg which is.
See i thought it wasn’t the ones who is no no you said you in spanish anyways that’s besides the point,
so in my dream i was at somebody’s house in the house is sold for a house and we’re eddie’s we have a family gathering and.
Play with the kids and be using and goes as they always did and then eventually headlight pack up and go home so it home and then,
send somebody mentioned me okay area going to twenty four hour smashing pumpkins concert housing what you even know bout that there will you better get that says a lot of times it gets cell,
they didn’t have any so then i went back and hold those of stressing out about it,
and then it went to bed and i woke up the next morning in my dream and and i was like freaking to get these tickets so and that going to this little store on the corner,
and there was this contest they are having you could win tickets itself a bottle i don’t like some the sodas or whatever insulated windows ticket to buy something like when a ticket and i ended up winning a ticket so um,
i would but the concert wasn’t until the next day so again away to bed or woke up on third day in dream world and,
show that to this concert like with a really for everybody else if i wanted to make sure that i had ample time but i see center center of and am.
As a looks like meet the band and given to fans of a go backstage for those who stupid the early for this concert and then i was able to enjoy.

[28:24] This fall concert and that was that was a green and that is always stuck with the dislike is so bizarre that.
I went to the the motions of late waking up getting dressed brushing my teeth like having a full day almost in dream world so yeah.
I’ll see the translator real-time.
Yeah the lakers probably twenty seconds when they have like a septic pneumonia and was blows my mind when i wake up at like its like for ten.
I don’t wanna be awake for at least another hour and go back to sleep and.
I have a dream or i swear i was in it for like a week you have a ten minute and it’s only been ten minutes it’s like something,
i know this is a yes or sleep time only problem is with that is that,
yeah that would be normally they were accepted state usually restful dreams so it’s usually like in the.
Okay so in fourteen minutes of biking if i can fall back asleep to recover from the week long.
Running from whatever was low when reading that tree when we were yeah yeah.
That’s very personal become so on and so kind that can county joins the category of training which i do.

[29:54] All the time you need interview dream dictionary tell you that.
But there is so yeah so then we once you wanna talk about your dreams race sure.
Travesty wondering is on your dreams yeah okay something is this okay or what was on.
Like i did popcorn three of us okay goes on the idea was the title of the at that was not right.
Ebay but to me it feels that way because i is stuck with me my entire life.
It’s like every blade week or so i think about what is that mean that i have had for a while but is like almost every week i had the same exact dream.
So the only way to explain the dream is that imagine my washing on tv like it was a camera so that so is used in fairway was nothing but white with a single dot.
When does black okay the kindle zoom in on that you live there yet.
And started trying to the right making a whining but it still would go longer since i claim sneak seven dollars data center making alignleft.
I am in a starter pull back sl and get their.
And then all of a sudden like a b and fuel comfort peasley snacks to three one always go like.

[31:29] Massively rapids wilson’s scratches areas all over the place.
Until i got claustrophobic feeling oh to start amaze me in on the whole cluster stuff to where like i almost feel trapped in this whole mess of clothes that line yeah.
And pull back alley california for work related citigroup know that.
Play is like right in between by blacks always station is working and the.
Which is always at your phone to scan it she exactly.
He did that is pretty much live with a dream inside every time like it just like.
Is your life smooth and nice and clean and go crazy and sporadic.
Pull back in the news i was watching so when you look at the eyes.
Do you get a sensor like it if the i belong to a man or woman or,
maybe yeah but it is very just rough scheduled solidifies she says it like its definitions le cartoonist eyes yeah.
Do you feel i.
What are your feelings like when you see the eyes like a personal viewing later you scary happy sad and inches are you like what you can get the cd is it the whole street has come just completely neutral for the most part yeah i know your there.
And is it like the size of the more pocahontas with the chaotic part of it has only got ray.

[33:06] Play the blend the chaos lines just stopped working for so long as like i don’t care about anything else you feel like me sometimes lake.
Things are going on in your life at that time or maybe the water was twelve media things in your life kinda chaotic.
You know it’s crazy like i could even put on timelines yeah i have these dreams like a jean mercier soul age.

[33:34] Yeah it’s i don’t know it’s weird because like for me has a early yeah cuz i started having dreams about snow when.
Whenever i have cleaned really emotional time with some has b six thousand c la snowblower if there’s any flights to have a motion or stressed when i do about snow all.
I’m so maybe like the wine for us like things are out of control maybe it’s time you to like focus.

[34:04] But at the same time the feels peaceful the beginning and then the line is kind of crazy and that was happening and doesn’t use you manually always and i,
what’s that mean eastlake of me in the ass you know,
all makers to or maybe not any medias me because you think about how i feel about the color white how you feel about the color black and blue adjusted,
you can email and then you know the feeling all of those things and then think about what is the does the eye look is looking older persons irian numbers and il.

[34:46] What are you asking yeah.
There is so basic yeah it’s hard it’s kinda tingly pinpointed guess i usually.
Can i see it is leaking and clock are in for rich old ladies that big super saturday in the eyes glasses yeah.

[35:12] It depends on how you flip person with your eyes and all of the amenities just.
Slow down and focus has a very tender the paper active pencil yeah yeah.
Very true that you because the traffic like different things like the show’s like it so.
There’s probably some creativity there is.

[35:37] Changes in on something i don’t know like a perfect day for me is just sitting in her room doing nothing being.
No thinking and missing baking yeah yeah.

[35:52] If you can a lasagne has his industry is user visit when you’re here and i remember me and i’ve probably had like that one gb.

[36:03] Thirty or forty times she’s which is kids roddy it has he seen so much probably program for clothes yeah charges all know that i’m a very google.

[36:17] Is find something that very easy president friends brisa and i can not find it have a very specific vision.
I did not know is in the bay the hands of the paper in miami personal.
Happy for fisher do you know pat said she is your friend here so.
Set up the date because.
Because usually it’s okay for the friendly ask about the different elements of the dream because there’s this girl who does catering to be and,
she said that there is really old guy that sat on her bed and finally cleared her and she fuse in kansas carries you ever thought of just lay but.
I didn’t feel like it was just a how she described the owners the only while.
What are you what is the old man look like he had a spectrum of mike but why you think you sitting on your bed and she has thought about it and said it.
Set my question it was there make you think that you have a fear of getting old,
this is a holy shit so it really does that simple words in this case like needs to focus they maybe it’s like me you have a date this guy europe maybe you’re not now maybe,
but the tendencies very tender of all over the place that’s very possible.
Ends any i’m not even gonna hit me i’m not like formally to use.

[37:47] It’s full interpretation and i need a full size we need to get on the road so have.

[37:57] Play the song dreaming of flat land and yes or no.
Where yeah avidly flatland got it was a reference on the big bang theory and let.
Damn and the nigga flatland.

[38:18] Not prepared for this and it’s a book by and when abbott and abbott pets here in.

[38:28] It says flatland a romance of many dimensions is a satirical novel.
Nah novella by the schoolmaster and wind at at first pollution eighty four.

[38:43] See what is this a relay sheets interacting with each other and it’s just.
Flat piece of paper kind of i guess i don’t i don’t know what it yeah is very link is the theory of stacie think.
It’s like a master piece of science and mathematical fiction is delightful delightful unique and highly entertaining satire that is chime readers for more than one hundred years.
The work of english clergyman.

[39:13] Babe easily and when describes the journeys of a square in math and a mathematician and resident of the two dimensional flatland where women,
then the straight lines are the loneliest of shapes and where man,
or feuding were meant this is so small to read where men have any number of size depending on their social status so.
This is pretty strange occurrences that raymond contact the poster geometric forms square has adventures in space land three dimensions light land one-dimensional plan mention so.

[39:47] Is silica combine these guys yeah with those eyes.

[39:54] So and it has internet connection but not on definition right yeah okay that was very obvious that is that kind of looks great place yet with but very vaguely just,
let’s catch of them yeah interesting refrigerator that marker.
Rate the food gifts.

[40:20] Are you you’re weird weird thing is not he the to call the doctor.

[40:32] Lol what is your mom’s friend re the hoe verizon is my friend yeah sure it the circus.
Yeah so it’s not seem so you try to figure out which one on this friday,
oh i just recently seven of my weirdest ones like i meet with willy for income can figure out where to start okay what’s next jesus christ,
nice place.

[41:09] So i have a recurring dream and i don’t know if it’s like recurring exactly but it’s just of super super common theme of the settings can be very different and the environment and stuff but,
they all have in common that was having this dream where i am.
Moving into like a new house with our new apartment or something like that and it’s always.
Super old and run down but the flight floors that i am going to live on the first and second floor are pretty nice is why i am putting up with it.
But up above.
It just keeps going up and up and up for ever and each floor is a little crappy year like folder and run down yeah and they’re super haunted.
Like all those like floors are like crazy on it and there’s like no way to not like no one knows basically have how how high it goes.
Cuz i never make it past like five or six levels before and like i am coming back down or there’s there’s nothing nothing appear and then come back to my house is like did you see all the stuff there’s like i didn’t see any of that while i was up there.
And i have had that dream probably like once a month or more for like for ever.
Interesting how do you feel about feeding.

[42:32] He died in order not good because it feels like.
With eating nobody really knows how old they are going to be raise you don’t know how many floors there are in this building and.
Some people can’t can describe to you what they seen on certain floors the building because they bend that age i think is coming more metaphorical and i did you see there will no does he have been able to get to that for.
So him been there yet.
Wild did like you was gonna for for like life span for enlightening about the future yet.

[43:15] From the place is really good stuff that.
Some of shit sailing for adoption as well i’ve been as good as the hype formal,
we’re open up and nothing gets more more more run down which is true but reading your body tenses each year in a gauges because it starts off like its plate old but it’s,
fancy words like the parlor is polish wouldn’t start when not in the.
Cool staircase might the twenties or whatever and then as you go up it becomes more more like the old barn loft that is the planet earth just like there’s basically like.
The scaffold but just like support,
two by four and at least that would here to make it’s dirty and there’s a strong the ground and you can see little cracks of light through the wall and stuff like that and that’s just gets more more like that the further up you go.
So i don’t know who you think you think scan reading cuz i just that’s wild.
Yup that can it be that does make sense for me.

[44:19] I am in the other he in hiding in the journalists that’s a really good like it was going to pick something for to mean something is like,
who understood me figure out what the hell that means and then you’re like in like four minutes you let.
All i hear you’re thinking about aging sun of a bitch you blue blue that’s under wide open up your think your,
i don’t know your flight landing and means those three hundred him with am awesome now i know i was so hopeful okay so,
that was pretty fast lol you’re the one of the two other ones their super distinct this is one that,
like any of my college friends or might listen to this podcast will recall me wondering of security telling everyone about this is so fucked up yeah um,
one of the unit terrifying but is like okay set keeping with the theme of like going for ever yeah so,
it’s me my friend nick and my friend bart mush from the fraternity house that let me.
Yeah my best friends and were wandering around the mall of america except this mall of america seems to extend forever down and forever all,
which is like layers of shops and offices and stuff like that and where does water running there’s people all over the place and we’re just walking along and.
It is just like whatever you do don’t don’t steal anything and then.

[45:51] I turn around and eric matias head.
Is like animated acclaim asiana mayo missing in it the only thing i can think of is that you were the party’s begin ventura gets the.
The truck the truck or.
That’s turns out to be a monster whatever and she turns into those all the claymation horizon giant and lesser time and again that i have seen is always located for should i get even like money because it,
that looks so different cd in,
so here are his head is huge like i am right now you can see by holding my arms out like a full lake like that big.
Like a cartoon characters and is it like everything is pretty normal in size except for is always your superhero yeah and just goes.

[46:41] I’m not the ease and s s he says he gave his.
Pupils are the color color and black part of his eyes,
go from like huge would i able to sue her tiny as a kind of the chief and then the rest of the dream were trying to find this office that i need for some reason i don’t remember why we needed it,
the ball hit eric.
Well no i was running around like behind us and beside us what that stealing stuff from people like when they’re not looking and so he’s like the yes you just said that and then he’s there just like stealing from everybody and that’s the dream.

[47:26] Ten so i wonder.
Does it have how do you feel about him as the ira at the time all but now.
Last i heard he wasn’t doing so great he’s got a lot of like.
Mental health problems health problems and he,
he was willing guys got married like a senior year and then they moved cities in the house super nice and everything and he got a job in like an order for the department of defense like basically.
It was always kinda like it that point almost resentful just because he was being so successful and really knows life and i’m still the twenty something college with no job in reno girlfriend or anything i.
Still over and hang out with his.
You know his wife and his house with his like fancy new appliances everything else but after shortly after i stopped communicating with him their in the cities.
His life to leave like melted down where,
she divorced him and got everything and then they said he wasn’t coming at the part of its the fire him and another accounting job and so now i think he lives in like.
Pipe stone and his on my disability and he has all sorts of health problems so sad and he’s my age it’s like a it’s pretty brutal yeah yeah.
So he’s not a thief now it is in the dream he’s a thief yeah but he’s never likes.

[49:01] Because the being over something else but what else could the whirlpool you and how you feel about only thing i can think of is that he had a reputation for.
That being super nice to women oh okay sure and maybe that was something to to do with it like i say.
Rate be but kind of scary like take no and is into like using tricks like i give him for all of that but yeah and like.
Crap playing manipulative super manipulative dallas tell me that you for this week just tell a joke in the fraternity about.
He said of a box with a bottle of liquor apple schnapps and the little white rope,
and let you know we always picture yeah yeah yeah is that so okay so then you think of a thief and what you think of you think that the,
this is just some guy who steals mcguffey rd is just a criminal and also let me would manipulative fall under the aca,
set category to you yeah i guess that’s probably where that cell is acting so it’s just like so crazy to me some sake,
say super remember it because i distinctly remember thinking jesus his eyes are as big as paper plates yeah.
So i’m wondering paper plates setting huge.
Does the things that is very slow specific diane this dinner plate all the directly over head bowling ball.

[50:32] No bigger than that there is a figure also like i said he seemed almost like a cartoon image as normal seemed flat glass a paper plate is was almost like he was,
south park style account paper is south park style like animated fuse is very fake to you then it could be,
that’s almost native to see if you still comically fake,
in all and then he just kind of and manipulative person things that i’m not fit like will you kind of are manipulate you know cuz like you like to manipulate the old women of two.
So maybe that’s the war what is that as far as like the mall that is again it just feels more lake.
Its life in general like people and or levels are younger all higher levels older.
And everybody that’s on the same level and that’s it doesn’t clear interacting with your current.
Level of life which is larry which accents guess it was all people my age yeah.
My peers and say that were all not letting me looking for whatever we were looking at him like yo don’t you ask visit steal from me because you as opposed to the next that’s okay that’s the interesting part of the stealing.
They will what though the quantity items level was like he is just like a generic knowledge assign he was like stealing late you know what.
Something in a box and display in the window it just reaching around grabbing something on the display or like grabbing purses like that just like in the cartoon usually leave around like.

[52:06] Exactly that’s her exactly and this guy gets it up yeah.
It’s kind of ironic that wasn’t interaction of just like maybe like your subconscious calling out units and like this days and or a,
so maybe payton’s me and the babies and pets in a really pages them so your day he looks.
He’s so it stands out yeah and so yeah i guess that could be.
You know that makes sense i mean every office along the tree and be missing something to me who knows the circumstances were exactly at that time your having the treatment other than the details now,
i don’t,
i don’t even know that he had that i knew him well enough for him to have that reputation right great-niece who knows but.
So i got one word reminders for this was important because i turned into a short story and i’ll on a bunch of writing awards all it was of.
People like credit where like holy shit i have one one person in town who read it what like site that is gonna grow up to be the next stephen king and has like holy cow that’s heavy yeah i was happy okay so.
I hate it like a wake up in the morning i remember not seeing anyone or anything but i just like,
you know your routine i am in high school at this point so i just gonna throw on my clothes,
do my morning routine or you know whatever i get my car and i drive it its just like this out where it’s like snow is every liquor store cover workers melted a little bit and it’s overcast so very grey.

[53:45] But it’s enough that the roads are melted clear so i’m driving my my little mustang it’s time and i’m not having any trouble throat crystals melted off is um.
But i’m driving in to west into a little little school are in a class of nine long and,
but you know of a school building was rebuilt like in a eighties cuz that will happen to school fire sort of really nice mars is not the time and i pull up the parking lot,
or the street that will park on there was only a parking lot from.

[54:19] Totally empty my cart like the only one there other than my junker cars that i noticed are like a certain corner of the streets of basically it’s just dead i didn’t meet anyone start to realize that i didn’t meet anyone on the road.
I haven’t seen a human being like since i started and so.
But the sidewalk is it shovel off and it starts to looks really lightly snow and seven and woke up to the school windows are almost blacked over like super black and the doors are locked.
I can get in late oh okay and this is getting a little bit darker and little bit more snow and.

[54:58] Um yes i will that’s weird yeah so i get back in my car.
And i’m trying to figure out like where is everyone has no one main street in unit washington so that’s totally weird but i’m realizing that,
it’s a little too quiet leaving for washington freight it so it’s getting a letter of walking dead when rick wakes up thing works just like when the hell yeah and.
So then i drive back in the halfway point between my folks farm and was intended to school was grand richards house so i pull off they’re pulling seen deal but it’s not locked up just its dark.
There’s no power light something like the stuff yeah there’s no sign of grandma or grandpa in the house.
And you know for every that smells like it was super vivid dream yeah very real um,
it smells like them and everything else i pick up the phone receiver cuz pri cell phone so i’m like the sea like where the hell is everyone right and nothing happens dead.
Which were we’re out but this is back in the day were on earlier with the copper lines there even power off the lizard the snow lines of the stuff on fine sir yeah because we didn’t have digital phone set and.
So i’m like well that’s really weird so that.
And i remember watching the dream like watching myself and being like i’m way too cold for all this yeah and.

[56:34] So i go back i’ll get my car and start driving like to the farm and i get to so there’s a tree strip that wraps around the back of.
Oh that your tree-lined yeah there’s a tree line yet and.
You know like several of them so basically boxes off the forms they don’t see into the field behind some very long and then.
But there’s a big field behind grandpas house says so i’m apart of rolled oats passing by the field behind house and.
I don’t know why but i just look out on.

[57:10] This the snowy field is completely level and.
I don’t remember if i just stop and then walk out there or if there was a reason that i saw something or something that will motivate but yeah i did that’s not clear with reservation was,
you can the car and walk way out in the middle of a field and i start digging in the snow and i find.
One of my little sister katie’s toys for like common ones she plays with all the time when she sleeps she still at this point gas when she would’ve been like if you wanna play with a toy yeah would’ve been like not even ten i think yeah.
But with a little bit when i get in a fight and stuff like it has as i keep getting the snow and working my way i’ll keep finding warmer stuff on the snow buried.
And i’m just like what’s going on in and wake up says.

[58:07] Do you remember if you are having any sort of like.

[58:16] Hot i wanna see this little if i see it that way say nest is what i want to influence your answer okay so all.
Did you fight at all or having an emotional it engagement with her of any kind no where but it on a got along with her really well now with the faster parents that.
yeah yeah okay so i was the peace maker is so sisters love me and whenever they were getting into some incredibly vicious fights that was brought me and.
And me and katie have always had like you into the state we have a special on their clothes for siblings asher okay so i wonder was there anything that happened.
That was there like some sort of emotional fight or whatever in the house he put through the,
key in your sisters or parents or nothing nothing that i can remember cuz i was looking for something sir there cuz lake is usually i just idling really just learned this that water in any kind of form as it presents itself a dream is a sign of emotional all.
Think is waters type of the motions and.
So that’s what i think of when i think of snowball using with my hands is something emotional that i really with like that’s what it is for me,
but like how often do you dream of snow and what do you think of anything right now i think that’s the only dream i’ve ever had was no yeah.

[59:48] Yeah okay so you can the new beginnings or do you think of things dying like what kind what were you fall you think this notice and it,
just neutral yeah like nothing like it was snows on christmas turkeys know you dislike snow later interest share share,
cuz like this feeling kinda think of is like what is your what is your feeling on the season of winter and then.
Just the desolate niceville by the complete loneliness of.
Adjust the whole situation like it is totally completely alone and it sounds like you’re really digging up your best friend stuff.
You know you say what is this what yo like this totally alone and all you have left are does the memories of her as you know.
Of her past or present i guess i don’t know that’s kinda where i’m kinda thinking that the same time is late will you don’t feel specific way about.
But i’d say like looking back on it now as someone older is just like the lock isolation going on in that time yeah is very like it is very alone.
And like the places where you go to others people like a school like that shaft you,
that’s completely dark there’s no one there and then the the people that you know they’re your family they would go to great hey there’s something weird going on there not there,
and you can’t every talk to anybody else in the world and you just got the film easter being of your friends stuff lake as interesting wonder when hes the.

[1:01:22] Actually she recovered season.
Can toys membership in it really hard to tell if i’m projecting his study this was definitely eighteen yeah wrote this for seventeen yeah.
Wake up pretty sure i was worried i was eventually gonna find a body.

[1:01:45] Yeah me either early right did you write and you read the details on yours number of.
You will i thought about it like that the dream and screen like but i have trouble telling if i thought that the time.
Right right now looking back and just like i would have.
Maybe of watch to many horror movie since then but on like this is the part where you find the body wraps you probably because you don’t.
To see that in your dream and what a horrible thing to say out loud like he mom has weird dream about my sister dying yeah sounds like this isn’t simpsons treehouse of horror episode where the good morning burton.

[1:02:22] How did you sleep like i had a fire r i dreamed of a vision of my own fire hd is,
well that’s nice honey let no grass dinner and are grabbing lunch and let’s go to school you’re gonna miss the bus or while supplies when i woke up one morning and my mother all,
true but less than nothing because i might transfer money will happen in your three wishes that all you and i are fighting in general then my mom asked me what happened to me in years ago all died.
I won the died music all the way all of those off all the terrible things to your mom,
again we when you’re we file our business teenager so yeah but.
Dreams are we never know you said no so so how you feel travis where did you go into this capability you now feel like being there’s more dream interpretation than.
It just being get tv the brain equivalent of tv static is over anytime there’s things to interpret.
That it could mean something completely different different times your life just so like how you enter your right now i believe that has,
you sure it that way because it has meaning in her life so you interpret it like a piece of art and so.
To use in our look back at eleven something else you might be considered the same situation may be more conservative wife the lower school realize.

[1:04:01] Heres even if he for real fun interpretation,
yeah so damn i’m super intrigued browser vacations because that’s where a lot of the creative the most presentation stuff my shows come from so.
Yeah i’d cordless chapter show of.
To where it attaches very nice ice get their asses there awesome so yeah.

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And strapped dream here so her and starting before.

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Color lights on in the house there’s a colored gasoline it’s kinda weird.

[1:05:08] New re flatland maybe we use the answers of that is really helpful in a weird way.

[1:05:18] I did this order for yeah he’s the weird.

[1:05:24] So yeah that’s all i got so thank you for joining us your recovery more and join us next week when will explorer.
Some other strange maybe us we are now when he goes to freeze this far into this chapter podcast thing that is messages the.

[1:05:46] That’s perfect that’s and that’s how we should have closed yet which is close to nice.
He should as part of some patriotic thank you so much for listening and good night.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 2 Voynich Manuscript

The Voynich manuscript is an illustrated codex hand-written in an unknown writing system. The vellum on which it is written has been carbon-dated to the early 15th century (1404–1438), and it may have been composed in Northern Italy during the Italian Renaissance. The manuscript is named after Wilfrid Voynich, a Polish book dealer who purchased it in 1912.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 2 Voynich Manuscript

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The Voynich manuscript has been studied by many professional and amateur cryptographers, including American and British codebreakers from both World War I and World War II. No one has yet demonstrably deciphered the text, and it has become a famous case in the history of cryptography. The mystery of the meaning and origin of the manuscript has excited the popular imagination, making the document the subject of novels and speculation. None of the many hypotheses proposed over the last hundred years has yet been independently verified.

The ink and parchment have been analyzed extensively and are all consistent with a book created in the 1400s.  The cover of the codex was replaced at some point in the last 200 years as well as the binding. This is not uncommon for manuscripts of the era.  The colored paint of the book was likely added at a later date.

Every page in the manuscript contains text, mostly in an unknown language, but some have extraneous writing in Latin script. The bulk of the text in the 240-page codex is written in an unknown script, running left to the right. Most of the characters are composed of one or two simple pen strokes. Some dispute exists as to whether individual characters are distinct, but a script of 20–25 characters would account for virtually all of the text; the exceptions are a few dozen rarer characters that occur only once or twice each. There is no apparent punctuation.

The manuscript’s diagrams include breakdowns of plant biology while others are based on astronomy or astrology.  One series of 12 sketches depicts conventional symbols for the zodiacal constellations (two fish for Pisces, a bull for Taurus, a hunter with a crossbow for Sagittarius, etc.). Each of these has 30 female figures arranged in two or more concentric bands. Most of the females are at least partly nude, and each holds what appears to be a labeled star or is shown with the star attached to either arm by what could be a tether or cord of some kind. The last two pages of this section were lost (Aquarius and Capricornus, roughly January and February), while Aries and Taurus are split into four paired diagrams with 15 women and 15 stars each.

The overall impression given by the surviving leaves of the manuscript is that it was meant to serve as a pharmacopeia or to address topics in medieval or early modern medicine. However, the puzzling details of illustrations have fueled many theories about the book’s origin.

The first confirmed owner was Georg Baresch (1585–1662), an obscure alchemist from Prague. Baresch was apparently just as puzzled as modern scientists about this “Sphynx” that had been “taking up space uselessly in his library” for many years. He learned that Jesuit scholar Athanasius Kircher (1602–1680) from the Collegio Romano had published a Coptic (Egyptian) dictionary and claimed to have deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs; Baresch twice sent a sample copy of the script to Kircher in Rome, asking for clues. His 1639 letter to Kircher is the earliest confirmed mention of the manuscript that has been found to date.

A letter written on August 19, 1665 or 1666 was found inside the cover and accompanied the manuscript when Johannes Marcus sent it to Kircher. It claims that the book once belonged to Emperor Rudolf II (1552–1612), who paid 600 gold ducats (about 2.07 kg of gold) for it.

In 1903, the Society of Jesus (Collegio Romano) was short of money and decided to sell some of its holdings discreetly to the Vatican Library. Ruysschaert 1959 published a list of those books, which were for sale. The sale then took place in 1912, but books listed for sale were missing. Wilfrid Voynich acquired 30 of these manuscripts, among them the one which now bears his name. He spent the next seven years attempting to interest scholars in deciphering the script, while he worked to determine the origins of the manuscript.

In 1961, the book was sold to antique book dealer Hans P. Kraus. Kraus was unable to find a buyer and donated the manuscript to Yale University in 1969.  

There are thousands of speculated authors of the book but here are the most intriguing theories with some basis in reality that I found:

John Dee (1527–1608) Dee was a mathematician and astrologer at the court of Queen Elizabeth I of England.  There is a paper trail that may support this.

Some suspect Voynich of having fabricated the manuscript himself.  As an antique book dealer, he probably had the necessary knowledge and means, and a lost book by Roger Bacon would have been worth a fortune.  However, modern forensics performed on the book seem to make it being a Voynich forgery less and less likely. How frustrating must that have been for Voynich, no one would be able to really and thoroughly prove he probably didn’t fake it until 1999.

It has been suggested that some illustrations in the books оf an Italian engineer, Giovanni Fontana, slightly resemble Voynich illustrations. Fontana was familiar with cryptography and used it in his books, although he didn’t use the Voynich script but a simple substitution cipher. In the book Secretum de thesauro experimentorum ymaginationis hominum (Secret of the treasure-room of experiments in man’s imagination), written ca. 1430, Fontana described mnemonic machines, written in his cipher.

Raphael Mnishovsky, the friend of Marci who was the reputed source of Bacon’s story, was himself a cryptographer and apparently invented a cipher which he claimed was uncrackable (ca. 1618). This has led to the speculation that Mnishovsky might have produced the Voynich manuscript as a practical demonstration of his cipher and made Baresch his unwitting test subject.

I think this idea is very interesting and has widespread implications for future historians and archaeologist.  Using a cipher like this was the medieval equivalent of encrypting proprietary knowledge. I shudder to think of the challenges future historians will face in trying to access all of the heavily encrypted and secured data of this era hundreds of years after the keys and hashes have been lost.  Even basic security like DRM software may be creating a future “Dark Age,” and we don’t even realize it. Also the fact that so many of our records are kept on a digital medium. If the earth was hit by a massive solar storm or Electromagnetic disturbance, so much may be lost from this era. Google the Carrington Event if you want to get an idea of how likely and dangerous that scenario is.  (Good future Episode)

According to the “letter-based cipher” theory, the Voynich manuscript contains a meaningful text in some European language that was intentionally rendered obscure by mapping it to the Voynich manuscript “alphabet” through a cipher of some sort—an algorithm that operated on individual letters. This has been the working hypothesis for most 20th-century deciphering attempts, including an informal team of NSA cryptographers led by William F. Friedman in the early 1950s.

Statistical analysis of the text reveals patterns similar to those of natural languages. For instance, the word entropy (about 10 bits per word) is comparable to that of English or Latin texts. In 2013, Diego Amancio et al argued that the Voynich manuscript “is mostly compatible with natural languages and incompatible with random texts.”

The linguist Jacques Guy once suggested that the Voynich manuscript text could be some little-known natural language, written in the plain with an invented alphabet. The word structure is similar to that of many language families of East and Central Asia, mainly Sino-Tibetan (Chinese, Tibetan, and Burmese), Austroasiatic (Vietnamese, Khmer, etc.) and possibly Tai (Thai, Lao, etc.). In many of these languages, the words have only one syllable; and syllables have a rather rich structure, including tonal patterns.

This theory has some historical plausibility. While those languages had native scripts, these were notoriously difficult for Western visitors. This difficulty motivated the invention of several phonetic scripts, mostly with Latin letters, but sometimes with invented alphabets. Although the known examples are much later than the Voynich manuscript, history records hundreds of explorers and missionaries who could have done it—even before Marco Polo’s 13th-century journey, but especially after Vasco da Gama sailed the sea route to the Orient in 1499.

In 1976, James R Child of the National Security Agency, a linguist of Indo-European languages, proposed that the manuscript was written in a “hitherto unknown North Germanic dialect.” He identified in the manuscript a “skeletal syntax several elements of which are reminiscent of certain Germanic languages,” while the content itself is expressed using “a great deal of obscurity.”

In 2014, a team lead by Dr. Diego Amancio of the University of São Paulo’s Institute of Mathematical and Computer Sciences published a paper detailing a study using statistical methods to analyze the relationships of the words in the text. Instead of trying to find the meaning, Amancio’s team used complex network modeling to look for connections and clusters of words. By employing concepts such as frequency and intermittency, which measure occurrence and concentration of a term in the text, Amancio was able to discover the manuscript’s keywords and create three-dimensional models of the text’s structure and word frequencies. They concluded that in 90% of cases, the Voynich systems are similar to those of other known books such as the Bible, indicating that the book is an actual piece of text in an actual language, and not well-planned gibberish.

A ‘brief’ history of the people who have claimed to translate the manuscript in the 21st Century.  People have been claiming to have translated it going back to its modern rediscovery in the 1910’s with a wave of them coming in the 1970’s and being widely discredited.  

In 2014, an expert in applied linguistics Professor Stephen Bax published an article in which he claimed to have translated ten words from the manuscript using techniques similar to those used to successfully decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs. He claimed the manuscript to be a treatise on nature, in a Near Eastern or Asian language, but no full translation was made before his death in 2017.

In September 2017, television writer Nicholas Gibbs claimed to have decoded the manuscript as idiosyncratically abbreviated Latin.

Medieval scholars judged Gibbs’ hypothesis to be not novel. Gibbs’ work was criticized as patching together already-existing scholarship and providing a highly speculative and incorrect translation; Lisa Fagin Davis, director of the Medieval Academy of America, stated that Gibbs’ decipherment “doesn’t result in Latin that makes sense.”

Professor Greg Kondrak, a natural language processing expert at the University of Alberta, together with his graduate student Bradley Hauer, used Artificial Intelligence in an attempt to decode the manuscript. Their findings were presented at the Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics in 2017, in the form of an article suggesting that the language of the manuscript is most likely Hebrew, but encoded using alphagrams, i.e., alphabetically ordered anagrams. However, the team admitted that experts in medieval manuscripts who reviewed the work were not convinced. The claim is also disputed by an expert in Hebrew and its history.

PDF of the Manuscript

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0:26] Everybody welcome to come in for a check to the beach may strict.
So i’m super excited everyone this is robert by the way speaking i am so pumped for this this is one of those classic.
Not conspiracy theory but one must classic paranormal investigative research of things the voyage manuscript has baffled people for hundreds of years that we give you just.
A little bit of background which manuscript as illustrated codex hand written in an unknown writing system.
The film on which is written has been carbon dated to early fifteenth century approximately fourteen four fourteen thirty eight.
And it may have been composed in northern italy during the italian renaissance the manuscript disney for will for which polish coke dealer who purchased it in nineteen twelve.

[1:17] The manuscript has been studied by many professional and amateur photographers including american and british hoe breakers during the first and second world wars,
what is your demonstrated foresight demonstrably this sacred text and it has become famous a famous case in the history of printer are part of the.

[1:36] The mystery of the meaning of the orginal manuscript as excited the popular imagination making the document the subject of novels and speculation none of the many hypothesis post of the last hundred years of get to.
Then be independently verified so that gives you the boiler plate wikipedia ask you know definition of what you’re dealing with here.
Where you guys is impressions before i go on with another info about it,
my first impression when you brought this up and i think it is i think i set it private or group chat yes i left a lot of water what so they,
i think this book was written by someone who is trying to write a book.
In a different language but the graph of that language was awful so like imagine if like.
Sixty seven year old kid it was trying to write a book but in spanish and the only had like maybe one and a half years as of late spanish one and be a little happier spanish to say their grasp on the language is lake.
Minimal at best so this book then created by this amateur.
No one can understand it because it’s been lost for so long we now think this is a brilliant work of photography and it really just some teenagers fail latin project.
It’s kind of where i think i think that’s what this could be very angry completely when i try i never heard about this disaster.

[3:09] Talk about this is very much like paranormal conspiracy theory nerd like hot potato that bluff especially the internet is really pissing explode.
Right people of investigate we will get to the history of occasions of it but people been looking at it since it was rediscovering are here in nineteen ten.
I’d like a second grader for both world wars nasa scientists all certain people look at this thing fully some people brother from a date and a i scripts you kind to say for it and the items that was with.
But we’re hebrew or.

[3:43] Ask take lenses that one of the most recent thing that is september twenty seventeen and have an update on that cuz i was like yeah it’s asking.
Is weird but yet he genuinely think because i look back on all i know books from when i was you know nineteen years.
Is something where to find out like five hundred years after the fact that you anything to the blues polling wins baptism and six months ago i think the seeds of these means.

[4:16] Because i only really know these notes are so so yeah but yeah.
Let’s go little bit into what the content of this manuscript is everyone suzuki king of.
Every page manuscript contains text mostly in an unknown language the song extraneous writing is in latin script is usually like notes written in the market things like that.
The ball to the text of the two hundred forty page correct as written in an unknown script running left to right,
what’s the characters are composed of one to two simple pen strokes with some exceptions.
So just be weather there are distinct individual characteristics or if the spirit has around twenty to twenty five characters.
That they think they got it down like twenty five each character like expressed throughout the thing and there’s no apparent punctuation system that they can see.
The mistress diagrams which is part of what makes the messes and we’ve included a link in the show notes to a pdf of the voyage manuscripts if you wanna you know see it first hand you can totally check it out,
the diagrams inside of it which are kind of getting really intriguing they are breakdowns like biological plant life and diagrams of things,
like that biology and science you don’t say for the year mixed with a bunch of astronomy and astrology information.
And like your store movement observation seems like that.
Our one series of twelve gauge is actually depicts the conventional symbol for the zodiac constellations there are chunks of the temple that are missing.

[5:53] And so we don’t have the basically there was like a page for each one and we don’t have the high seas or the taurus.
Where the secretary is because those were lost we have the rest of them and then each one of these has around thirty female figures arranged.
Two or more considered beans and females are usually partially deaf completely new support the theory of the instructions split up worker suck it,
that some of them are the label bias stars are seem to be attached to the women by tether or some kind of the last two pages of the section,
always is an earlier where were lost at sea and so there are.

[6:38] Just want to start diagrams naked women all over and really cool funky plants levels of like there’s even some series.
That you don’t have a really hard time trying to identify the plants yes but,
an author of that year didn’t look at the world of science to see what you were a always want like a literal physical truth is the legacy of the scientific revolution so,
even when people were writing about plants that everybody knew really well and diagram of how it could be very abstract even if it was common plants great because they didn’t,
see the world as this literal thing that we were very interested tele and and click looking at the physical.

[7:19] So that makes a little confusing to some people think that one of the plants that’s diagram it is a sunflower which obviously comes from the new world and so that would you know it’s like to be a plant that didn’t exist in the peoples like.
World that’s crazy ex so many pieces that resembles a sunflower where you know.
Who the hell knows it’s just great making big mystery surrounding doodling yeah you just have the.
Okay the first affirm to her that we have it was george brash.

[7:53] In fifteen eighty five from six till sixteen sixty two was an obscure albums from prague.
He was just as possible as smart scientists and refer to it as gentle as a sphinx.
That taking up space useless leaves library for many years but can’t track it and then he gave it to age so scholar.
And who was very skilled with the coptic language even claimed that he,
which would be released know has translated higher higher listen to the rosetta stone in the eighteen hundred’s and napoleon’s expedition but this just was all the times maybe he could really high requests and so excited to the sky hoping maybe you could make sense of it.
Let’s see septic tank in room and then we have a letter in sixteen thirty nine mentioning the manuscript it’s where abouts.
And we have no is it just you know that there is litter paper trail there’s a paper trail because of,
is your open keeping records that but stuff gets lost over time we kind of dog is little we go buy a connect the dots between little mentions in some physical document we can find.
So the next one is in august nineteenth of sixteen sixty five letter was written that is found on the inside cover of the manuscript and he claims that the book once belongs to this join us marcus.
Who was my understanding from marrying him little thing on this is that basically he was like in.

[9:23] Cord alka missed.
Like mentalist kinda soon was trying to become the core astrologer to and from off the second of the holy roman empire this would be around fifteen fifty two sixteen twelve.
And so he paid six hundred dollar it’s a gold for this book and it was part of his like whole life.
Basically what you call it somebody hit let’s try and impress the zipper become a permanent fixture in the court but we don’t.
We don’t have a confirmation the ever got hired at the end her ever on the book and it drops off the radar until nineteen three.
When was he there is a little catholics i use it jesus was sure money and decided to sell some holdings discreetly for to the vatican library.
It kinda looks like this research and through the list of books that were for sale and.
Screwed up some of the books and so in nineteen twelve that’s when basically it almost kind of just,
thrones out here speculation what makes research or whatever acquire have a book full of the truck when the vatican was selling it to people yeah and so eventually he sells it for money to,
no wilfred winch how we give the book name from.
And so why are thirty for many strips of which is one of them.
He spent seven years trying to build up scholarly interest in this book trying to translate exactly.

[10:58] Yeah that he bought fewer pieces of shit all the time and he was just completely stopped as to what the heck this was.
So then in nineteen sixty one eventually his hair with of selling it to a buyer and that buyer.

[11:16] Basically trying to like seller from off zillow for more money he couldn’t do it so finally in nineteen sixty nine he deleted it to the rear books collection it to university and that’s where is today.
What i don’t understand is why give the name the boy next manuscript because it that seems kinda is barrel,
self-serving but i am that i found it and bookseller really think know you can’t find it was owned by several people up here that he would give it that may be that.
It’s the most famous manuscript that he to and the circulated shirt and the others in documenting like there studies of it,
the manuscript that which passed around that we were all trying to translate that as soon as we’re was he now there’s something to be said for that the blower let me hear non media blitz the time but like.
Due to little letter writing campaigns trying to sellers look into it but i’m not sure that he actually like the event that mean he may have called it you know like,
the codex of the site for sure or sure but its people that came after him with a flick of is that basically people use it now because he’s the like,
modern discover and share this basically was like kinda lost and no one with we’re dealing with until monday ten the first one to be like,
this is a mystery let’s look into it for a in a larger all i see okay yeah that was that was the one thing orson,
that’s seems kind of sorry that he would name actors that it’s not yours and it’s like when i called the italian renaissance cypher you know the.

[12:49] Something something that you for another like in the books and stuff were leaving me for like a book dealer when its so old that it’s like not clear all going on and see an imperfect to his.
You know we can say it was the shakespeare manuscripts if we knew something about the author or the content right name that was more appropriate than its like.
Do you know what weird plant book doesn’t really roll off the tongue especially verse nineteen ten.
You plant it know you’re a yeah just a schedule c here series where i came from the of the first one is that.
I like this one little bit just because it’s cool and it fits probable but to john and he who was a mathematician astrologer quarter panel is that the first england basically people think this might be his like spell alchemy.
Astrology book and.
There’s actually a paper trail words like if roger bacon on the figures whose like associated with the book early and like when were aware of its not mens if roger bacon had it.
He met with johnny interact with him a lot so there is a strong possibility that maybe he’s the one that generated.

[14:00] And give us the tallest like have translator what its talking about everything like that booty,
so now one of the common ones up until nineteen ninety nine i think that’s why exploded on the internet present when people really like okay this is really legit thing it’s not just an urban legend,
what’s the,
you know absolutely lot of people suspected voyage of self fabricated the manuscript as he spoke to he probably would have the necessary knowledge means and,
i lost a book by roger breaking the figure that i mentioned earlier would be worth a fortune,
however modern forensic since then have been perform in the book and they seem to make it less and less likely that is in fact a forgery the pages are actually composed of lamb skin that can be very accurate carbonated,
two that’s why they can give you like four to eight to fourteen thirty eight,
and you know there’s like there sent me for people use old part right and the chicken and put,
not legion but sophisticated chemicals on it and their own stuff on top of it it’s been tested for that,
and the chemicals in the it was definitely written with a quill pen be the electron microscopes to confirm that.

[15:17] That is definitely eric looks a lot like the little black and white ink is very much like from that your from the fourteen hundreds.
The coloring like the green on the plant something that was added after the fact.
But apparently for like manuscripts the forty hundred fifty meters that’s pretty common like a hundred years later someone doesn’t like the style of this book on my questions to standby i don’t know what the rating.
Password for seems like its axis colors and stuff now only questions and yeah it is colored looking.
They could’ve color and had colors that is that’s year your coming off that you’re looking limited manuscripts those gorgeous books that,
you know and that’s your thing we call politics it was a teenagers journal or something that works for this telling think of them were like.
Terabyte hard drives or like state of the art data storage for like a book is a super expensive like five hundred gold pieces.
Lake worth like a whole like families income for two years piece of precious friend re the can you know.
And is it also is it late.
People don’t do they do alot of the margin this thursday the whole thing about how many all photography that miles transfer ibooks of the years with the margins for example box does agree video about.
Why did,
basically became a mean with marks another year of that the gold will always for manchester city transcribe during this period they all have nights fighting since joins seals that’s cartoons in the margin it’s the sales meeting in stock and.

[16:57] It’s like it was just like a mean from the time of the four monsters like writing the same pieces and over and over and over again get bored and start.
Drawing something inappropriate that’s.
Pretty common animals are the little graffiti things like that in fact even when it is for the little that’s a laptop that were talking about written in the margins that’s what that is is that so studying the book in my fifteen or sixteen hundred and was just shut down and i don’t like.
Get groceries and.

[17:28] And those we can tell just from like the style in ink and stuff like that that are from a different kind obviously from the script and all that.
So it is i came away with this this part here being like the frustrating was that for wage that it was.
Not today i mean well after he’s dead in my ninety nine when people are finally like okay this is not fake that these is like.
Hopping around really something to this is yes as a friend size nine until like the new millennium basically to.
The will any of you will to get to the point where they confirm that for it just suggested that some of the illustrations and.
Our from an italian near earnings in a slaughter this giovanni fontana digest from slate any slightly resemble voyager illustrations and they’re actually in wikipedia page they have a picture of some of.
Giovanni is sketches in his like notebooks and stuff.
And no books with the teenager yeah we got it is a good theory and they but i don’t think you can resemble the same marseille the people he draws look like the women from the fountain and stuff like that um,
and he also,
was began using cyphers and his book and on the whole thing and launch into about the cyphers and why is that in books from the serious stuff,
obviously gotta like white proprietary information like this is their livelihood and there like secrets and so and they don’t want another alka must be able to read it because like if they got this really great thing for like.

[19:05] You no pain killers are sharing of some kind it’s like that’s their their livelihood and on some other you know dr picking up their formula on becoming the new alka missed the emperor of emperors like that.

[19:19] So you can a lot of cyphers and codes and stuff like that code exes from this period on something i thought was interesting to talk about with this is the idea of and the widespread implications i get from this ugly given think about.
The future archaeologists trying to understand like what we were doing now yes i do because of you because like that was my joke about that you on my ask one thing i’m roadster the space and just like,
this is the baffle the shit out of space archeology five hundred years and only one of why why they did the in,
what did,
they barely get to space this time when put a carpet that’s all for it to be like a viking burial ship thinking of like think that,
you on the bus server and,
it is mosques are inside of it what that’s exactly the smell me future people like something super satisfying to drive out of the public are all.

[20:23] The latter this truly drove off the edge of the time and so expensive alluded not eccentric billionaire of course.

[20:34] No that you know they get using a cipher during that time like this is there way of like security proprietary information so we wouldn’t crip the hard drive nowadays and.
I think that’s interesting it makes me like shattered a thing or a bit nervous about never people comment on this before the future archaeologists are gonna have.
A devil of a time researching or time period just because both of the aramark digital rights management software sure so we can have some me sitting in a museum like six hundred years from now trying to understand are your.
And the software that’s designed to keep me from getting a free copy of microsoft word,
my keep them from being able to read important documents from this year for a great because everything is like locked up you can just pull off a bookshelf well that that technology stores and some mountain lake,
in like some country list meters by giving the whole lake museum basically.
To get to where this is worth anything that’s been created technologically,
is stored in this amount should it anything happens devastating happen to the current technology of today so let anything that dates back to like the early seventies and the eighties and still no.
Play computers and terminal does that actually exist because x is that feel prove is that you know how how secure is that cuz i mean.
One of the things i was think about is like are we living in a dark age because of all party rm cuz you you know cause of the dark ages not so much that.

[22:09] It was dark times and then when historians the dark ages cuz they’re describing a period of time that is dark to them because they don’t they have so few records that accept this the dark ages history course.
I want to watch the video lectures at the harvard one on itunes university where you can watch like greek art university lectures and.
I was talking about is a peterson legal history or something like that and basically he’s a slight.
It was super devastating effect historian during you know this is obviously later this moment renaissance.
They live the other was a time for that the dark ages were beating you play.
Six other people that he could probably correspond with a good understanding his writing like the level of academic writing he was.
You know performing at your imagine if there were like only six people in the world that.
Like new the special like say your engineer or a doctor you like got something happens meters away like.

[23:10] Two or three people in the whole world who can like replicate my work or can explain what’s going on pray list if something happens those people like say up flag which like happens always units like you can lose.
Huge amounts of like research and information and histories about that and sometimes i worry about that with us with the rm and then especially if this is a good time in will definitely do a future episode about this particular.

[23:38] Disturbance i was about one of the earth is he with a giant magnetic storm from the sun is a thing that exists and in particular i’m siting if you wanna know what that looks like google the carrington event.
And if you’re not familiar with that that’s where a giant solar electromagnetic storm hit the earth.
I want to see like a eighteen what eighteen fifties or something of an.
What happened it was about time telegraph lines were starting to become more popular stuff like that and what i did was those like the only electronic devices around but this started fires all over the country and the walkers the wires,
he was like so much for this year it cost start fighting and like,
telegraph station started on fire in the batteries that the us to the station what blow up and stuff like that the said today that like if that hit north america again,
even just that same scale of the war of the caribbean event was not in solar terms that date of a storm,
set up like a emt hitting the entire continental us and just fri like every electronic system just immediately get a min warnings coming,
it’s all worth sunday and he electromagnetic pulse okay or is on silent and so is commonly associated with atomic explosions generator and a little ac unit so hypothetical weapon that’s never been,
used that we know of is too generous to get me a.
Atomic bomb in the upper atmosphere over an area where you one of low people the way you create a storm in the ionosphere scene kinda thing is hiring event and everyone reset loses power.

[25:18] All other electronics got fried so it’s like a preemptive strike where,
there’s always like there’s a lot of conspiracy theories about the us war game with it up in the first part of the chinese invasion electric.
But no let’s link soon as you can see we could do a whole episode of the carrington event totally totally and the implications of that so yeah future as in it and no it was a good time to grow up because,
imagine the earth got hit by something like that you just have the strength your historians would be like.
Oh that’s the dark if we don’t know anything about what happened between nineteen sixty eight and you know it only seven reminder on this day.
Who knows the toilet went out because there was a story it’s servers is cockroaches and facebook facebook for cockroaches.
Will they will start fine tuning seems to be down.

[26:17] So there’s another of your your with the when your manuscript that is a letter based site for.
That’s the one that a lot of people in the nineteen fifty’s especially those william friedman from the national security agency he was a main photographer in the twentieth century working there.
And he started nineteen fifty’s trying to use the sort translate the twenty transfer which obviously he didn’t.
Get anywhere with the best amazing to think of like an essay code breakers and you know yeah both world war one code breakers and the jet the ones in,
who built like translated them yet and need my device and built the first computers and stuff like that that they look the voice manuscript that was there kobayashi maru,
he was there like ensemble from no win scenario raise the practice on our taxes like that was gonna crack this that way,
are they practice on something it’s on crackle lake the german.
I guess it doesn’t really don’t sign doesn’t like drill in so much is like.
Between coats these possibilities yeah i think about like programmer sit around and talk about programming stuff it always the hardest thing you’ve ever programs share in the challenge amount for someone a client services like.
What could he if you can crack this model is,
i’m not going to the movies at the sleep onto the nsa is low for this one from yesterday sucker should of the new guys tryna veterans information sheet for a lot lately all messages isn’t.

[27:49] But yeah man this makes stories like that so we actually did cracks in the pink that they had to crack it really.

[27:56] Yeah it like an hour and it’s clearly land here there’s a nice hint hint you’re getting warmer to fix what is.

[28:06] So she,
so getting into a more recent one here so someone conducted a statistical analysis in twenty thirteen using ten beats per word,
and compared it to english latin texts this diego monaco who did the test in twenty thirteen says it’s very compatible with natural language.
And incompatible with random texts which is always come up in a research and there’s even more tests for someone.
Use algorithms like google learning and algorithms to to say that.
This is not cheaper if there’s like a clear a structure throughout the entire thing that’s like someone is communicating something through this.
And then we’ve got a linguist jockeys guy wants adjusted the voyage manuscript text could be some little no natural language written in a plane or invented alphabet.
The worst structure i thought this series pretty interesting is similar to many language families in east and central asia.
So it might be so it might be something that’s like a sino tibetan or chinese are burmese language.
That medieval scholars ran into wait wait before like marco polo and sounds like that and so you know like in our modern times we’ve invented.

[29:23] The weather could do a whole history thing about the whole like the british when they invented the system that is you is universal use now for translating chinese characters in the latin letters and back and forth.
But this could be an example of someone trying to do that very thing like way before.
That common system and then develop very figuring out how to translate and he start language like that.

[29:48] And they said that it even has like the same structure and total patterns,
so that i thought that he was pretty interesting how pressing the like to this number just in ellicott this is a language this doesn’t mean something that white that white of but can’t il.
Translate this and that we were present level white people spend their time on this and sister that’s like that’s why does and something i thought was funny was one person on the books mentioned that,
is something about this particular one is that it looks easy yes looks very like,
this is something that if i figure out this monday this be i translate it so it sucks in a lot of trip covers that way because they’re laying all,
yes this is gonna be easier to look at it so straightforward and they just big data on where they get into it the more the lost.
There yeah we’d oh this is a different member of the national security agency this jeans are child.
He was a linguistic indo-european languages propose the manuscript is a hitherto unknown northern germanic dialect.
Yeah fighting menaced manuscript is a skill syntax several elements which are reminiscent of german languages more i don’t know on that one like it much fall on it and i.
Like us your germanic languages i don’t think of late late renaissance manuscript something to.
More germany obscure dialect there was so all different.

[31:16] At the time of the fourteen hundred right cuz that’s it wasn’t that time is the holy roman empire the right place divided up into two billion.
Will that she’s in principalities that baby don’t talk to each other like the staff is like doing my own genealogical research i found out that you know it.
Down the police that he was from.
Germany then turns on but no you’re for romeo but now the sun hotlines and border to suffer drama yes you are from germany how are things now that back at the time it’s your only and gas self,
okay i’m hungarian so it could be but like i said it this thing is just a mistreated since deeper deeper as i think it’s some kids that don’t have that right what they did she.
Do i write my own isn’t the apartments i tried and i ran the federal the website for several years while in so i’m trying real hard,
oh yeah and use it running my own history of magic book.
And he is feels was a lot of driving symbols and starts and the oil and languages for the for the book and.

[32:32] And and and what does it matter where to find that you’ll eight hundred views on the road a little on the young forever,
in the future what the hell is this they understand the concept of infection willy was will help are you can be like us something on their mind when they find the probability of holy crap,
look at this,
fantastical plug this all these terms don’t let me be measured was possible to get it two thousand two or whenever i go with my brother and actually the man bunch of ohio.
I have this monkey should i wear that’s the whole vs wolverine at the moment from the sixties this to go again and i was calling my after versus achilles’ shirt is like that’s all they are is there,
there are version you like,
he always was directed to get all the water of life by a by a car and so he’s indestructible vs hector the greatest champion of the trojans and there are these larger than life immoral beings continental moral struggle and,
the same way that with comic books and movies but will that this remake that hundred it is but in this comic book series they told this story a lot like how human oral traditions work where it’s not.
Hard and set into a single like can in document about this riddle me how many times a superhero character died and are born again so hundred years from now when history be like.
What are some accounts that superman die fighting doomsday and it’s back after that the history and still disagree.

[34:06] You know the true or was the original version of the superman story from a hundred and fifty years will never leave whole story’s gonna be told.
And that’s the only twelve story that’s only just sobering me think of all the content out there is like.
Holy crap holy twelve different stories of never told so as long as you have your hair winter here or here ow the story that goes through a,
use answer my mental life change.
Then he doesn’t complete this topic but the but you’ll so then yes it’s late but it’s,
select the the story with the guys and stuff from you know the hundreds and hundreds of years ago we was actually just comic book crap that now we’re regurgitating in reno make but we know that has actual this,
fictional characters that right but there on the view the people she booze this stuff look at other sure everything is she use the as so and that’s when making an argument because he,
you find reference sister hercules on all the stuff from pottery always for cultures,
all these different legends that contradict each other always powers were is the city of the fantastic part is he dies or real.
It doesn’t worry so here is my brief rundown of history of people who claims to have translated the manuscript in the twenty first century cat.

[35:38] In twenty fourteen we.
I have an extra three play of the implied of the client list ix professor steven backs revolution article of twenty fourteen claiming to translate ten words to minister i remember when this one came out and he.
Use a similar technique justice iverson injection hieroglyphics he claimed the man you split manchester is a tree he’s on nature in near eastern or asian language but no full translation was ever made before his death in twenty seventeen,
forty two something like.

[36:14] The weather is no answers of making of the one guy dies and goes all knowledge what’s or who’s he never publishers release the one who says he apparently i didn’t get,
you know obviously have like,
a lot of time delay digging every theory but it’s interesting one but i’m always skeptical when someone’s like i have the answer and then they drop off the face the earth doesn’t like yeah he died in twenty seventeen.
Creams founders of twenty fourteen.
So why didn’t he put anything between now it was conspiracy he class of people telling which parent as exactly that.
I got you got me there i mean he really said i’d like a suspicious.
Yeah but regardless i mean if you know any scary things to say that he even came close it has in contribution to all these starting.
Yeah i agree to come in tight and with that three we were talking about about being.
Like an eastern language or something like that is your translation for eastern languages.
So let’s see in september twenty seventeen television writer named nickel which always really makes me feel better about their research yeah it was gives claim to be quoted the manuscript as a music for,
crackly previous latins now yeah legal scholars to his work,
and they said that his hypothesis wasn’t originally criticize date is patching together a whole bunch of already out there scholarship perhaps even building up on one of you know backs.

[37:55] And basically,
the lady looked at me of america stated that gives the sacraments doesn’t result in latin that makes any sense there’s a naval academy of america and i kinda wanna work there so this last case you this is the one that you’re probably,
you probably mentioned earlier this happen just recently and yes november twenty seventeen so professor great could.
Contract and what’s funny is i heard this one to and actually your friend before i started my research were like water the translated it and it starts one of,
at work about this particular thing but now we have an update that’s like yeah as soon as i hear what’s going on great professor great contract,
a natural language processing expert from the university of.
Up together with his graduation bradley how our use artificial intelligence as the gas to to try and attempt to code the manchester,
their findings workers that presented at the annual meeting of the association of computational linguistics what mouthful twenty seventeen.
In the form of an article suggesting the language of the heart manuscript is most likely hebrew.
But in coding music included using algor are plants will it alphabetically serial.
It’s all the rooms that is that just shut your mouth or nose cookies for breakfast.

[39:18] However the tv and this is the part i didn’t know about my coworker told me about i i really.
You know the product was all discovery trip for all of us are the key word is yet you do you follow up like six months later when the news doesn’t isn’t talking about it cuz there’s no press release,
six oh well that fizzled where all the niggas or whatever so here’s the.
But for somehow ever this evening at the experts in medieval manuscripts overview that were not convinced.
And the queen is strongly disputed by expert in hebrew and its history here’s something is saying that all okay.
Six okay so he drops a little bit okay perfect so case so they’re saying that its.
They kind of practice a little bit but then the angles and bullshit heating the people saying bullshit.
Maybe are to protect themselves away to be the one to be the ones to crack it like it is and i have.
But self preserving because they.

[40:27] I have an ego thing in academia i’ve run into a lot of that this into this part of the built in.
How active you functions is that you put out of my house this is and,
really work and in what sizes people try it you put that out there and everyone tries to replicate yeah and to punch the shit out of it to see if it can actually like stand up to being festival in everything else.
So i mean its partners at the serial role in scientific inquiry like this built in your head.

[41:00] But i also know from personal experience with family members have worked in my high and last genetics is it that the absolutely people’s egos play a big role in it as well so it’s like there complement each other like,
is it isn’t showing it is like the personality types that go into this kind of thing.
Drive that way or does this attract that personality was making them more like this you know right right so yeah there there can actually there can absolutely be a.
If the opponent that pisses they haven’t put out there like a fool translation or even like a big block of la translation,
it’s really hard to dispute between ask for a says there’s an expert he says this is seems like right now the consensus is that they haven’t cracked it from what i’ve found but it’s not because it’s so here’s the thing.
It’s so new fb record this in,
you know february of twenty eighteen addresses just in full of twenty seventeen that you know this could shake out we could learn a whole lot more coming up here but we don’t get.
That’s macabre or rich from the headline and he never add rule to hear first exactly.
One thing i’m kind of x and no one’s if they we’re find out what it is i hope it’s something this is completely means like.

[42:20] I can do just as surely something mundane like you just so could fifty grand and yeah like if they translated literally the picture with the lightning at least about that little all the text is in like.
In five different languages of latin and hebrew and always that amazing place horses live yeah it’s yeah lr to send us.

[42:47] So
Find over and done is what travis what do you think it is honestly look into your computer honestly think it it is if you if you had to get like.

[43:00] Get your head for a time traveller what will you guesses based on the plants drawings.
I have no clue who says he is your own one has is a person books a hundred pictures this is true for me yeah i was in the south of france and the naked women.
It’s the base foundation of cocaine manufacturing plants places and planted something warehouses,
oh because the woman i love were close in school and the making of sciences industries so this is like the personal journal both of,
wait wait renaissance scarface exact starfish yeah i think that’s exactly where this is nice like this theory is.

[43:53] Are you is it already like giving us your pieces of rice you know if you’re solid with and if it is in blue background about as we wrote this book.
What is the background we are now is that song from,
we all prepubescent missing p present teenager it was working perfectly okay so if you have is he has ran bloody kinda,
but it’s one season have a lot of friends is one best friend so okay he figured is his parents his mom was it doesn’t do anything she now lives where because you know fourteen hundred,
in italy and have his dad was actually about meters of these pages that painting which would be very expensive and he just steal them from his dad and this way it’s not it’s it’s a huge binders collected pages overtime within an.
You know that there is able to her in the back that time period and he is friends fucking around and just saying let’s let’s practice you know,
drying these plans practice during the things that holds me some moves you know and this is like a weird like this weird meters down lane weight and becoming just like.
This story of him and his friends hang out enough to.

[45:05] Truly think about the case but it’s an idea of that is just some kid around painting explored.
What’s probably have done was have the word but you know this is kind of thought that that was like the first thought that came to my hands of this is just somebody who was.
I am trying to make up their own trying to practice rating in another language and didn’t know what they were do we and they have no way to check their work with someone who actually knew the language.
So you’re saying its history is equivalent of a man who is clearly two children on top of each other trench coat.
He is so i think the truth for those who was the one to actually decipher this thing.
I think the sure way do this not find the kid who wrote to find his best friend because he’s gonna be carol’s lose later on probably photos and the they don’t let those head they were blood brothers and they said i had.

[46:03] Okay so that comment about character development hearts were getting rich back story about this about,
come in the coming of age story young young man italy in really trying to find himself and his best friend on their adventures.

[46:21] Yeah they’re with their father the book binder and get now that say you probably have like a shit for.

[46:29] Is the pages were made out of sheets once in a while not necessarily visit the buyer from yeah,
and they have to have access to the supply if she has twelve years apart to find him hes a live close the reservation forms of her clothes,
and there’s your family of five hundred years ago for years to say where just ivory describing northern italy in the fifteen hundred like.
You know it’s like cut to someone standing around in medieval italy really want to change every were just friends.
Find it go on but the thing is book of yeah.
Turn the heat slowly formidable light and just be like have a.
What crappy burrito something like the sink that is directly of thinking with well actually like,
okay baby places that will see reviews never actually seen the pictures of cecil of sherry has a six days late and at the end he finally seals the receiver minecraft,
set up pics yet what do you do with your who i don’t know i.

[47:49] I am intrigued by the reese girls dream ideally like it was a while and what would you.
What would cause it say you about it basically.
The coolest would be that is the actual spell book of queen elizabeth the first ss astrologer that’s the that’s my favorite one is for it like that would just be so fucking bad ass.
I’m starting to think like one eighth when it says research this morning at three am i thought that,
i would go with this most recent interpretation with the hebrew one where it was like for a few because the theory just like sounds good bs like,
you know you have alot like,
yeah but history of jews in europe at medieval times like that they would have a lot of reason delayed have proprietary knowledge of the protecting the cipher and would have been a delight medicines that played or a magic stuff because that was kinda like arms distance from,
like stuff that you don’t christians at the time we will in a it would explain a lot of things going on there’s a agencies possible.
But more and more as we go into this three surgeries talked out with each other i’m leaning towards the it’s.
Easter island it for a nice like east asia and stuff that was brought over before anyone had any idea how to.
Handle it or how to translate praying what what they were looking at what we’re dealing with right so.

[49:19] So how did you first like find out about the wind is measured is never heard of this.

[49:25] I am in c ville until it uses videos of income it comes up a lot in.

[49:34] Top five greatest mysteries of history homework i like history and this is always like one of the tough ones because this is pretty crackable in the.
It is a very light implies knowledge or technology that is way ahead of its time move for voice doesn’t really apply that don’t know enough about what is actually studying.
But it is not together lot with something that will do it happens about coby and the kids room mechanism.

[50:00] Which is the ancient greek mechanical computer that can calculate the movement of the planets all in a shipwreck and it is the coolest.
Most mysterious like historical objectivity dislike these three the when the manuscript the and tickets for mechanism and about one battery.

[50:18] Where like i got a guy in that line actually built joint working batteries back in like,
one thousand pc or earlier and and we have no idea what it is using them for the head like the citric acid in his special,
pottery made to hold the citric acid in any of the like copper and the iron or however that works with the battery and copper wires and stuff running hot she was using electric current for something and some people that he was like.
Performing sorcerers something like that or that he thought he had medicinal purposes and the light basically like people that he had magic or are trying to create goal is all the.
We just.
Because so far back to where we don’t have like a lot of written right place what the hell is this so that’s the big three in like his historical mysteries is probably the circle and a slave people of the internet is.
Anything for mechanism away from any strip that long battery so okay and get a deeper and you tube is.
It’s cool stuff you said yes so that’s that’s the voyage management international of.
Open invite for everyone to death with that.

[51:36] History of a book with a long way to last like examples of midi but my.

[51:44] Is it ever been documentaries are those movies like it’s inspired movies of booklet what are some movies and books that are kind of inspired list of it to be to buy a recognize any of the books that are like there’s a lot of miles out there that like mention and share the,
you see a lot of like give age is very to vinci code is very.

[52:05] You know that kind of style of story telling like national treasure inspired select knights templar conspiracy kinda stuff no use like one k on trans label codecs for medieval times secret knowledge nothing get.
So if you know it almost like is come like one of the projectors of the tropes of.
Nobody volt rails knowledge conspiracy couldn’t knowledge thing that.

[52:34] Send me nite all hours of the to watch the telly around and that world but there is always many blake.
There’s like little short ones they’re like top-flight mysterious thing all and they have ones that are like the story of the bit of weight management related to our normal history channel human cell cycle.

[52:56] I love you too for that’s where the real history channel is now does not like.
A fucking ax man or like grease it dies right grizzlies nice rose or something,
is this your jealous now where’s the still history of these days he’s like ice road truckers during the summer because it helped us alot so hot.

[53:18] Cool thank you for tuning in everyone once again you can follow us on facebook be sure to check cinema copper more dot com.
And be sure you know what or patron weren’t sure were gonna be offering some exclusive content.
And thank you once again for joining us will catch you next time with another stent stick mystery.

[53:44] Yes and that is the farm.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 1 Astral Projection

“I have been far away all this time, and I haven’t left the room…It was clear to me that it was because I was a spirit that I had so vividly ‘seen’ and felt a place a thousand miles away. Space was nothing to spirit!” – Helen Keller in her book My Religion in 1927

Welcome to Macabre Grimoire, the podcast of paranormal exploration and weird history.  In our first episode, we meet the team. Medium Ari Show, Magician Travis Nye, and History Nerd with an internet connection Robert Mehling briefly explore each other’s background and then move into our first topic, astral projection.

As far as we can tell, Humans have believed that a person can exist outside of their body since we were human.  From the Ancient Egyptian Ba (Soul that flew to the afterlife with the help of Ka, I studied Egyptology, this could be a whole episode by itself), to the Japanese ikiryō (生霊) (also read shōryō), and countless others cultures down through the centuries.

Emanuel Swedenborg was one of the first people to write extensively about the out-of-body experience in the relatively modern era, in his Spiritual Diary (1747–65).

Most researchers note that the primary evidence to support claims of astral travel is anecdotal and comes “in the form of testimonials of those who claim to have experienced being out of their bodies when they may have been out of their minds.” Subjects in parapsychological experiments have attempted to project their astral bodies to distant rooms and see what was happening. However, such tests have produced negative results.


Sources, Links, and otherwise:

Keller, Helen (1927). My Religion (First ed.). Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company. p. 33. Retrieved 12 December 2017.

Frederick Lawton Balzac The Echo Library, 2007, p. 18


Sioux Empire Podcast Network Launches Paranormal and Weird History Podcast

Sioux Falls, SD: The Sioux Empire Podcast Network is launching a new podcast about the paranormal and weird history titled Macabre Grimoire. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you’re a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.
What makes this podcast unique is it’s combining the perspectives of believers, history buffs, and the skeptical eye of a performance magician in the grand tradition of Harry Houdini’s “A Magician Among the Spirits.” In addition to the paranormal, the trio will also examine weird histories and historical mysteries. Topics in the first episodes will include dream interpretation, astral projection, and the Voynich Manuscript.

For producer and co-host Robert Mehling, this podcast is a passion project that he’s been planning for many years. “This project has been a dream of mine for a long time. These topics are something I’ve wanted to approach in a format like this since I was a kid listening to Coast to Coast AM with my dad.” Medium and co-host Ari Show “Since I deal with the paranormal in my everyday life getting to talk about it on a podcasting platform is very exciting. I never realized how steeped I was in not only supernatural experiences, but also paranormal lore after we recorded our first few episodes. I’ve been podcasting for six years now about filmmaking, and we’ve touched on the paranormal before, but I’ve always wanted to be involved with a project where its topic was the sole focus.”

Macabre Grimoire is available on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and all primary podcast providers. The first full episodes will premiere on Tuesday, May 1st.